Concealed Carry Permits Should be Treated Like Driver's Licenses

Funny, but hardly a realistic answer to the question.
I see a dozen questions... I answered the one that is answerable.

It's OK, he's a gun owner, he's one of us. So he can be against them, no problem


You think everything is all or nothing don't you?

Strawman. If guns are restricted like other Constitutional rights in this country then I'm mostly fine with that. Are you? You ready to require licenses and fees for free speech and to protect you from illegal searches and ceasures?

And gain, that means what exactly? What government restriction of the right only people who follow gun laws, honest citizens, makes you feel safer exactly?


That's just dumb. I'm not sure how free speech can produce the same danger of the public that no background checks for guns can.

Begging the question. What about answering it? It goes directly to the ridiculousness of what you just said.

How does restricting the rights of people who aren't criminals make you feel safer? Criminals don't follow the laws. Hint, they are criminals...
 
I don't need to lie and appeal to ignorance of our own laws; unlike the Right.

All you have is lies and ignorance.

The government established itself as a revolutionary state based on the the people themselves being a standing army. The army that defeated the most powerful imperial state on earth at the time.

The founders reflected on that point that in order for the states to remain free, the citizenry needed to be unencumbered in their rights to bear weapons.

It's because of servile bed wetters like you that believe the whole point of being alive is to serve the state that such vapid opinions even exist. If not for mindless tools like you the stalins, maos, pol pots and hitlers of human history would never have existed.
says who; someone who Only has fallacy for his Cause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law; A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Only that Body politic which is necessary to the security of a free State shall not be infringed.
You're a moron that can't read a simple sentence.
you are worse for having nothing but fallacy for your Cause.
Let me correct myself. You're a moron that can't read or write simple sentences.
 
(1) There is no justification in the second amendment for ANY license - either to own or carry.

(2) Several states (Kansas being the latest) have done away with license requirements altogether and good for them.

I have carried a pistol for the last 45 or so years. It was my job, then after retiring, I continued to carry and will continue to do so from time to time. Where I live - in Montana - guns are a way of life. Sorry us "great unwashed" aren't as "sophisticated" as the rest of the country - but it works out well for us. VERY LOW murder rate, as opposed to those cities and states with rigid laws.

The second amendment was written 200+ years ago. This country is a much different now.

The entire constitution needs to be updated.


What you REALLY mean is "The entire constitution needs to be updated, to comply with liberal agenda". BULLSHIT!!!
The Constitution is great just like it is.

It's good...but I wouldn't say "great". It could use a campaign finance amendment.
It has one already. It's called the First Amendment and says Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
 
I don't need to lie and appeal to ignorance of our own laws; unlike the Right.

All you have is lies and ignorance.

The government established itself as a revolutionary state based on the the people themselves being a standing army. The army that defeated the most powerful imperial state on earth at the time.

The founders reflected on that point that in order for the states to remain free, the citizenry needed to be unencumbered in their rights to bear weapons.

It's because of servile bed wetters like you that believe the whole point of being alive is to serve the state that such vapid opinions even exist. If not for mindless tools like you the stalins, maos, pol pots and hitlers of human history would never have existed.
says who; someone who Only has fallacy for his Cause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law; A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Only that Body politic which is necessary to the security of a free State shall not be infringed.
You're a moron that can't read a simple sentence.
you are worse for having nothing but fallacy for your Cause.
Let me correct myself. You're a moron that can't read or write simple sentences.

yep, as a bad as SHE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED.
 
(1) There is no justification in the second amendment for ANY license - either to own or carry.

(2) Several states (Kansas being the latest) have done away with license requirements altogether and good for them.

I have carried a pistol for the last 45 or so years. It was my job, then after retiring, I continued to carry and will continue to do so from time to time. Where I live - in Montana - guns are a way of life. Sorry us "great unwashed" aren't as "sophisticated" as the rest of the country - but it works out well for us. VERY LOW murder rate, as opposed to those cities and states with rigid laws.

The second amendment was written 200+ years ago. This country is a much different now.

The entire constitution needs to be updated.


What you REALLY mean is "The entire constitution needs to be updated, to comply with liberal agenda". BULLSHIT!!!
The Constitution is great just like it is.

It's good...but I wouldn't say "great". It could use a campaign finance amendment.
It has one already. It's called the First Amendment and says Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

Especially speech you don't agree with.
 
says who; someone who Only has fallacy for his Cause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law; A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Only that Body politic which is necessary to the security of a free State shall not be infringed.


Says a bed wetter that only cares about empowering the state.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

No where else in the COTUS are the RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE more clearly defined, but collectivist morons want to pretend that the founders were marxists and only cared about the state. The SCOTUS rejected that asinine argument, and it's time we rolled the leftist agenda back and liberated our ability to arm ourselves. They aren't opposed to it because that care about "the children". They oppose it because we care about our children.

They abort theirs.

They also shit where they eat.

there is no appeal to ignorance of the law in the First clause.
 
I don't need to lie and appeal to ignorance of our own laws; unlike the Right.

All you have is lies and ignorance.

The government established itself as a revolutionary state based on the the people themselves being a standing army. The army that defeated the most powerful imperial state on earth at the time.

The founders reflected on that point that in order for the states to remain free, the citizenry needed to be unencumbered in their rights to bear weapons.

It's because of servile bed wetters like you that believe the whole point of being alive is to serve the state that such vapid opinions even exist. If not for mindless tools like you the stalins, maos, pol pots and hitlers of human history would never have existed.
says who; someone who Only has fallacy for his Cause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law; A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Only that Body politic which is necessary to the security of a free State shall not be infringed.
You're a moron that can't read a simple sentence.
you are worse for having nothing but fallacy for your Cause.
Let me correct myself. You're a moron that can't read or write simple sentences.
having nothing but fallacy for your Cause inspires absolutely, no confidence in your sincerity as any form of equal work for equal pay.
 
All you have is lies and ignorance.

The government established itself as a revolutionary state based on the the people themselves being a standing army. The army that defeated the most powerful imperial state on earth at the time.

The founders reflected on that point that in order for the states to remain free, the citizenry needed to be unencumbered in their rights to bear weapons.

It's because of servile bed wetters like you that believe the whole point of being alive is to serve the state that such vapid opinions even exist. If not for mindless tools like you the stalins, maos, pol pots and hitlers of human history would never have existed.
says who; someone who Only has fallacy for his Cause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law; A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Only that Body politic which is necessary to the security of a free State shall not be infringed.
You're a moron that can't read a simple sentence.
you are worse for having nothing but fallacy for your Cause.
Let me correct myself. You're a moron that can't read or write simple sentences.
having nothing but fallacy for your Cause inspires absolutely, no confidence in your sincerity as any form of equal work for equal pay.
Can anyone translate this to a human form of communication?
 
says who; someone who Only has fallacy for his Cause. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law; A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Only that Body politic which is necessary to the security of a free State shall not be infringed.
You're a moron that can't read a simple sentence.
you are worse for having nothing but fallacy for your Cause.
Let me correct myself. You're a moron that can't read or write simple sentences.
having nothing but fallacy for your Cause inspires absolutely, no confidence in your sincerity as any form of equal work for equal pay.
Can anyone translate this to a human form of communication?
No. It is what happens when you have a college freshman stoned to the bone with some half remembered American Government textbook under his belt.
 
My License to Carry is the 2nd Amendment.
Well regulated militia of the United States have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.
Another lie.
I don't need to lie and appeal to ignorance of our own laws; unlike the Right.
As you argue from willful ignorance, that's exactly what you do -- lie.
 
I see a dozen questions... I answered the one that is answerable.

It's OK, he's a gun owner, he's one of us. So he can be against them, no problem


You think everything is all or nothing don't you?

Strawman. If guns are restricted like other Constitutional rights in this country then I'm mostly fine with that. Are you? You ready to require licenses and fees for free speech and to protect you from illegal searches and ceasures?

And gain, that means what exactly? What government restriction of the right only people who follow gun laws, honest citizens, makes you feel safer exactly?


That's just dumb. I'm not sure how free speech can produce the same danger of the public that no background checks for guns can.
Thats because you're stupid. NOte the word "incitement" and what it connotes.



You might note that incitement is a regulated form of speech. Reasonable regulation is needed in all aspects of life in a community. Even free speech.
 
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I don't need to lie and appeal to ignorance of our own laws; unlike the Right.

All you have is lies and ignorance.

The government established itself as a revolutionary state based on the the people themselves being a standing army. The army that defeated the most powerful imperial state on earth at the time.

The founders reflected on that point that in order for the states to remain free, the citizenry needed to be unencumbered in their rights to bear weapons.

It's because of servile bed wetters like you that believe the whole point of being alive is to serve the state that such vapid opinions even exist. If not for mindless tools like you the stalins, maos, pol pots and hitlers of human history would never have existed.
says who; someone who Only has fallacy for his Cause.
Says he who argues from willful ignorance.
 
Really? Which ones? Cite, please.
Look it up yourself.
In other words, you know you're just making things up.
Surely you are smart enough to know that fully automatic rifles are just as illegal as RPG's
Wait.... you think machineguns are illegal?
Bwwwahahahhhahah!
Way to prove to the world that you have no idea what you;re talking about.
I don't think. I know that unregulated ownership or use of a machine gun is illegal.
Surely you know that your original statement here was that "fully automatic rifles are just as illegal as RPG's"
Surely you know that your statement, above, is you moving the goalposts.
Surely you know that no one here is surprised by this.
Now, cite for us again those restrictions on firearms that are constitutional and the SCotUS decisions that held them to be.
No, that wasn't my original statement, but obviously it was a mistake to make a blanket remark that automatic rifles are illegal. I admit that
Good boy.
Now, cite for us again those restrictions on firearms that are constitutional and the SCotUS decisions that held them to be.
 
Look it up yourself.
In other words, you know you're just making things up.
Surely you are smart enough to know that fully automatic rifles are just as illegal as RPG's
Wait.... you think machineguns are illegal?
Bwwwahahahhhahah!
Way to prove to the world that you have no idea what you;re talking about.
I don't think. I know that unregulated ownership or use of a machine gun is illegal.
Surely you know that your original statement here was that "fully automatic rifles are just as illegal as RPG's"
Surely you know that your statement, above, is you moving the goalposts.
Surely you know that no one here is surprised by this.

Now, cite for us again those restrictions on firearms that are constitutional and the SCotUS decisions that held them to be.


No, that wasn't my original statement, but obviously it was a mistake to make a blanket remark that automatic rifles are illegal. I admit that. They are illegal to own or use them in ways that don't conform to the regulations. I was responding to the idea that the constitution precludes any gun regulation. Automatic weapons are well regulated. I have no doubt that that regulation has been questioned at some point. Perhaps I will track that down tomorrow. The constitution doesn't preclude reasonable regulations for automatic weapons, why would It preclude reasonable regulation for other types of weapons?

“nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.” (Heller decision)


Without background checks, it is perfectly legal for anyone other than a licensed dealer to sell a gun to any of the people listed.
 
Without background checks, it is perfectly legal for anyone other than a licensed dealer to sell a gun to any of the people listed.
False.
It is illegal to sell a gun to anyone you have reason to believe cannot legally own a gun.
So, since you know your know you mom is a felon, selling her a gun breaks the law.
 
I see a dozen questions... I answered the one that is answerable.

It's OK, he's a gun owner, he's one of us. So he can be against them, no problem


You think everything is all or nothing don't you?

Strawman. If guns are restricted like other Constitutional rights in this country then I'm mostly fine with that. Are you? You ready to require licenses and fees for free speech and to protect you from illegal searches and ceasures?

And gain, that means what exactly? What government restriction of the right only people who follow gun laws, honest citizens, makes you feel safer exactly?


That's just dumb. I'm not sure how free speech can produce the same danger of the public that no background checks for guns can.

Begging the question. What about answering it? It goes directly to the ridiculousness of what you just said.

How does restricting the rights of people who aren't criminals make you feel safer? Criminals don't follow the laws. Hint, they are criminals...


Every law written restricts the rights of some law abiding citizens, and criminals don't follow those laws either.
 
You might note that incitement is a regulated form of speech.
Because it places people in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger, just like falsely yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
How does simple ownership/possession of a firearm place anyone in a condition of clear, present and immediate danger?
 
Without background checks, it is perfectly legal for anyone other than a licensed dealer to sell a gun to any of the people listed.
False.
It is illegal to sell a gun to anyone you have reason to believe cannot legally own a gun.
So, since you know your know you mom is a felon, selling her a gun breaks the law.


There is no requirement to know or to even find out who you sell a gun to unless it is one of the regulated types. If they are willing to pay your price, you can sell them a gun. Not even a sales receipt required.
 

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