Confederate treason - Confiscation Act of 1862

[Marion Morrison]

Most of us already have learned our American History. Gee . . . you think that could be why historical revisionists are having such a tough time shoving revised history down our throats? Fuck Wikipedia, and every asshole who targets the highly malleable minds of our children with history "adjusted" to fit ideological narratives.

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

I put salt on my own wounds, derp!

 

[BULLDOG]

For those who want to keep the memory of the confederacy alive, understand confederates were considered traitors by the U.S. government. Also some of us need to learn the complete truth of the civil war.

Confiscation Act of 1862

The Confiscation Act was passed on July 17, 1862.[3] The defining characteristic of the act was that it called for court proceedings for seizure of land and property from disloyal citizens (supporters of the Confederacy) in the South as well as the emancipation of their slaves that came under Union control.[2] Under this act, conviction of treason against the U.S. could be punishable by death or carry a minimum prison sentence of five years and a minimum fine of $10,000.[3] This law also stated that any citizen convicted of aiding and abetting any person known to have committed treason against the United States could be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a maximum fine of $200,000, if convicted.[3] This law specifically targeted the seizure of property of any Confederate military officer, Confederate public office holder, persons who have taken an oath of allegiance to the Confederacy or any citizen of a loyal Union state who has given aid or support to any of the aforementioned traitors to the United States of America.[3] This act helped the Union military because freed slaves could supply the forces with information to gain a strategic advantage over the Confederates.[2]

One slave, March Haynes, began smuggling slaves to the freedom of the Union lines with the help of Union General Quincy Adams Gilmore. In return for his help, Haynes provided Gilmore with "exact and valuable information" on the location of Confederate defenses and the strength of their forces.[2]

Confiscation Act of 1862 - Wikipedia

Most of us already have learned our American History. Gee . . . you think that could be why historical revisionists are having such a tough time shoving revised history down our throats? Fuck Wikipedia, and every asshole who targets the highly malleable minds of our children with history "adjusted" to fit ideological narratives.

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

Why did he have a black only school in HIS HOME?

Don't know. How many white family members did he sell, who never saw their families again?

 

[Jitss617]

Most of us already have learned our American History. Gee . . . you think that could be why historical revisionists are having such a tough time shoving revised history down our throats? Fuck Wikipedia, and every asshole who targets the highly malleable minds of our children with history "adjusted" to fit ideological narratives.

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

Why did he have a black only school in HIS HOME?

Don't know. How many white family members did he sell, who never saw their families again?

Cows or slaves?

 

[SandSquid]

For those who want to keep the memory of the confederacy alive, understand confederates were considered traitors by the U.S. government. Also some of us need to learn the complete truth of the civil war.

Confiscation Act of 1862

The Confiscation Act was passed on July 17, 1862.[3] The defining characteristic of the act was that it called for court proceedings for seizure of land and property from disloyal citizens (supporters of the Confederacy) in the South as well as the emancipation of their slaves that came under Union control.[2] Under this act, conviction of treason against the U.S. could be punishable by death or carry a minimum prison sentence of five years and a minimum fine of $10,000.[3] This law also stated that any citizen convicted of aiding and abetting any person known to have committed treason against the United States could be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a maximum fine of $200,000, if convicted.[3] This law specifically targeted the seizure of property of any Confederate military officer, Confederate public office holder, persons who have taken an oath of allegiance to the Confederacy or any citizen of a loyal Union state who has given aid or support to any of the aforementioned traitors to the United States of America.[3] This act helped the Union military because freed slaves could supply the forces with information to gain a strategic advantage over the Confederates.[2]

One slave, March Haynes, began smuggling slaves to the freedom of the Union lines with the help of Union General Quincy Adams Gilmore. In return for his help, Haynes provided Gilmore with "exact and valuable information" on the location of Confederate defenses and the strength of their forces.[2]

Confiscation Act of 1862 - Wikipedia

Most of us already have learned our American History. Gee . . . you think that could be why historical revisionists are having such a tough time shoving revised history down our throats? Fuck Wikipedia, and every asshole who targets the highly malleable minds of our children with history "adjusted" to fit ideological narratives.

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

Why did he have a black only school in HIS HOME?

because when he was off fighting the war his wife and daughter started a school for their slaves.

 

[Jitss617]

Most of us already have learned our American History. Gee . . . you think that could be why historical revisionists are having such a tough time shoving revised history down our throats? Fuck Wikipedia, and every asshole who targets the highly malleable minds of our children with history "adjusted" to fit ideological narratives.

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

Why did he have a black only school in HIS HOME?

because when he was off fighting the war his wife and daughter started a school for their slaves.

It was after the war

 

[SandSquid]

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

Why did he have a black only school in HIS HOME?

because when he was off fighting the war his wife and daughter started a school for their slaves.

It was after the war

That wasn't the school at his home. After the war Lee had said "based on wisdom and Christian principles you do a gross wrong and injustice to the whole negro race in setting them free"

And

"“You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours. I wish them no evil in the world—on the contrary, will do them every good in my power, and know that they are misled by those to whom they have given their confidence; but our material, social, and political interests are naturally with the whites."

Are you talking about his time leading Washington college when students at Washington formed their own chapter of the KKK, and were known by the local Freedmen’s Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools, and Lee did nothing to stop it?

 

[Jitss617]

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

Why did he have a black only school in HIS HOME?

because when he was off fighting the war his wife and daughter started a school for their slaves.

It was after the war

That wasn't the school at his home. After the war Lee had said "based on wisdom and Christian principles you do a gross wrong and injustice to the whole negro race in setting them free"

And

"“You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours. I wish them no evil in the world—on the contrary, will do them every good in my power, and know that they are misled by those to whom they have given their confidence; but our material, social, and political interests are naturally with the whites."

Are you talking about his time leading Washington college when students at Washington formed their own chapter of the KKK, and were known by the local Freedmen’s Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools, and Lee did nothing to stop it?

More Fallacies

 

[SandSquid]

Most of us already have learned our American History. Gee . . . you think that could be why historical revisionists are having such a tough time shoving revised history down our throats? Fuck Wikipedia, and every asshole who targets the highly malleable minds of our children with history "adjusted" to fit ideological narratives.

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

Agreed. It would seem odd that if Lee thought that that was able to clean wounds he didn't order that to happen with his own soldiers.

Elizabeth Brown does a great job in her book breaking down the letter written by Wesley Norris

I remained with Gen. Lee about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number ofl ashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to "lay it on well," an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

And finds 7 other corroborating stories as well as the receipt to the constable to torture them. Would be a good read for those interested in actual source history backed with evidence and facts

 

[SandSquid]

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

Why did he have a black only school in HIS HOME?

because when he was off fighting the war his wife and daughter started a school for their slaves.

It was after the war

That wasn't the school at his home. After the war Lee had said "based on wisdom and Christian principles you do a gross wrong and injustice to the whole negro race in setting them free"

And

"“You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours. I wish them no evil in the world—on the contrary, will do them every good in my power, and know that they are misled by those to whom they have given their confidence; but our material, social, and political interests are naturally with the whites."

Are you talking about his time leading Washington college when students at Washington formed their own chapter of the KKK, and were known by the local Freedmen’s Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools, and Lee did nothing to stop it?

More Fallacies

Mind if I ask what you're basing that on? those letters came directly from Lee's family, in their own archives of his writings such as his March 12 1868 letter to his son Robert E Lee Jr. Who kept it.

I would also recommend Thomas Cooks interview with Lee for the New York herald after the war.

 

[Jitss617]

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

Agreed. It would seem odd that if Lee thought that that was able to clean wounds he didn't order that to happen with his own soldiers.

Elizabeth Brown does a great job in her book breaking down the letter written by Wesley Norris

I remained with Gen. Lee about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number ofl ashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to "lay it on well," an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

And finds 7 other corroborating stories as well as the receipt to the constable to torture them. Would be a good read for those interested in actual source history backed with evidence and facts

Yes or no was there a all black school in his home yes or no?

 

[Jitss617]

Why did he have a black only school in HIS HOME?

because when he was off fighting the war his wife and daughter started a school for their slaves.

It was after the war

That wasn't the school at his home. After the war Lee had said "based on wisdom and Christian principles you do a gross wrong and injustice to the whole negro race in setting them free"

And

"“You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours. I wish them no evil in the world—on the contrary, will do them every good in my power, and know that they are misled by those to whom they have given their confidence; but our material, social, and political interests are naturally with the whites."

Are you talking about his time leading Washington college when students at Washington formed their own chapter of the KKK, and were known by the local Freedmen’s Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools, and Lee did nothing to stop it?

More Fallacies

Mind if I ask what you're basing that on? those letters came directly from Lee's family, in their own archives of his writings such as his March 12 1868 letter to his son Robert E Lee Jr. Who kept it.

I would also recommend Thomas Cooks interview with Lee for the New York herald after the war.

You already agreed the had a all black school in his home.. go away..

 

[Marion Morrison]

So what? After the war all was forgiven by the Government. Tearing down the statutes and hiding the flag is childish spiteful and ignorant.

Only if you are a racist piece of shit.

Like you, amirite? You are a racist piece of shit. Every thread/post you make drips racism. It's on your mind 24/7/365

 

[SandSquid]

So why don't you educate us all about the historical event that caused so many of those Confederate statues to be erected in the 50s, and 60s, and even later?

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

I put salt on my own wounds, derp!

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

Agreed. It would seem odd that if Lee thought that that was able to clean wounds he didn't order that to happen with his own soldiers.

Elizabeth Brown does a great job in her book breaking down the letter written by Wesley Norris

I remained with Gen. Lee about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number ofl ashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to "lay it on well," an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

And finds 7 other corroborating stories as well as the receipt to the constable to torture them. Would be a good read for those interested in actual source history backed with evidence and facts

Yes or no was there a all black school in his home yes or no?

Yes while he was away, his wife and daughter started a school for the slaves he fought in court to keep enslaved and tortured for trying to be free.

 

[JoeMoma]

For those who want to keep the memory of the confederacy alive, understand confederates were considered traitors by the U.S. government. Also some of us need to learn the complete truth of the civil war.

Confiscation Act of 1862

The Confiscation Act was passed on July 17, 1862.[3] The defining characteristic of the act was that it called for court proceedings for seizure of land and property from disloyal citizens (supporters of the Confederacy) in the South as well as the emancipation of their slaves that came under Union control.[2] Under this act, conviction of treason against the U.S. could be punishable by death or carry a minimum prison sentence of five years and a minimum fine of $10,000.[3] This law also stated that any citizen convicted of aiding and abetting any person known to have committed treason against the United States could be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a maximum fine of $200,000, if convicted.[3] This law specifically targeted the seizure of property of any Confederate military officer, Confederate public office holder, persons who have taken an oath of allegiance to the Confederacy or any citizen of a loyal Union state who has given aid or support to any of the aforementioned traitors to the United States of America.[3] This act helped the Union military because freed slaves could supply the forces with information to gain a strategic advantage over the Confederates.[2]

One slave, March Haynes, began smuggling slaves to the freedom of the Union lines with the help of Union General Quincy Adams Gilmore. In return for his help, Haynes provided Gilmore with "exact and valuable information" on the location of Confederate defenses and the strength of their forces.[2]

Confiscation Act of 1862 - Wikipedia

Most of us already have learned our American History. Gee . . . you think that could be why historical revisionists are having such a tough time shoving revised history down our throats? Fuck Wikipedia, and every asshole who targets the highly malleable minds of our children with history "adjusted" to fit ideological narratives.

Apparently you have not learned history. You were taught a revised version of American history that left many things out to fit an ideological narrative. Our children deserve better than what we got.

Slip sliding away. I'm sure you throw enough of that against the wall some amount will stick. Thing is, you're gonna need some new wallpaper.

The truth is difficult for you to accept.

How old are you?....

His "Name" is the answer to that question.

 

[SandSquid]

because when he was off fighting the war his wife and daughter started a school for their slaves.

It was after the war

That wasn't the school at his home. After the war Lee had said "based on wisdom and Christian principles you do a gross wrong and injustice to the whole negro race in setting them free"

And

"“You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours. I wish them no evil in the world—on the contrary, will do them every good in my power, and know that they are misled by those to whom they have given their confidence; but our material, social, and political interests are naturally with the whites."

Are you talking about his time leading Washington college when students at Washington formed their own chapter of the KKK, and were known by the local Freedmen’s Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools, and Lee did nothing to stop it?

More Fallacies

Mind if I ask what you're basing that on? those letters came directly from Lee's family, in their own archives of his writings such as his March 12 1868 letter to his son Robert E Lee Jr. Who kept it.

I would also recommend Thomas Cooks interview with Lee for the New York herald after the war.

You already agreed the had a all black school in his home.. go away..

Yes. While he tortured his slaves for trying to be free, when he was gone his wife and daughter started a school for them.

 

[Jitss617]

Why not they were great men

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

I put salt on my own wounds, derp!

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

Agreed. It would seem odd that if Lee thought that that was able to clean wounds he didn't order that to happen with his own soldiers.

Elizabeth Brown does a great job in her book breaking down the letter written by Wesley Norris

I remained with Gen. Lee about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number ofl ashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to "lay it on well," an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

And finds 7 other corroborating stories as well as the receipt to the constable to torture them. Would be a good read for those interested in actual source history backed with evidence and facts

Yes or no was there a all black school in his home yes or no?

Yes while he was away, his wife and daughter started a school for the slaves he fought in court to keep enslaved and tortured for trying to be free.

So he did.. thank you go away

 

[Jitss617]

It was after the war

That wasn't the school at his home. After the war Lee had said "based on wisdom and Christian principles you do a gross wrong and injustice to the whole negro race in setting them free"

And

"“You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours. I wish them no evil in the world—on the contrary, will do them every good in my power, and know that they are misled by those to whom they have given their confidence; but our material, social, and political interests are naturally with the whites."

Are you talking about his time leading Washington college when students at Washington formed their own chapter of the KKK, and were known by the local Freedmen’s Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools, and Lee did nothing to stop it?

More Fallacies

Mind if I ask what you're basing that on? those letters came directly from Lee's family, in their own archives of his writings such as his March 12 1868 letter to his son Robert E Lee Jr. Who kept it.

I would also recommend Thomas Cooks interview with Lee for the New York herald after the war.

You already agreed the had a all black school in his home.. go away..

Yes. While he tortured his slaves for trying to be free, when he was gone his wife and daughter started a school for them

Lol it was a war.. im sure whites got the same treatment for many reasons, he was treating them blacks like equals

 

[SandSquid]

Depends on what your belief of "great" is.

Take Robert E Lee.

His slaves wrote about how when a couple had escaped, he sent out a posse, found them, had them whipped and then took that torture to a whole new level by having salt water poured over their wounds. Is that "great"?

Or his slaves writing how he had broken the Custis tradition of keeping slave families together, instead selling off children, mothers, fathers, husbands and wives to never be seen again. Is that "great"?

Or you can read his writings, where he said while he felt slavery was immoral, it was also necessary. Kinda like a rapist who knows that rape is wrong, but keeps raping. Shows you why he joined the side that fought to protect and expand the institution of race based slavery.

Or you can read his writings with General Grant on a POW exchange, where he said that US black POW's would not be exchanged since they were now "Confederate property". Yes, a man who felt US POW's should be enslaved.

Or his other correspondence with Grant where he was using black POW's as human shields in fortifications that the US was attacking, where Grant threatened him to stop, or he would have to do the same and said “it is my duty to protect all persons received into the Army of the United States, regardless of color or nationality.”

So no, someone who does those things isn't "great" in my opinion. But that's me.

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

I put salt on my own wounds, derp!

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

Agreed. It would seem odd that if Lee thought that that was able to clean wounds he didn't order that to happen with his own soldiers.

Elizabeth Brown does a great job in her book breaking down the letter written by Wesley Norris

I remained with Gen. Lee about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number ofl ashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to "lay it on well," an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

And finds 7 other corroborating stories as well as the receipt to the constable to torture them. Would be a good read for those interested in actual source history backed with evidence and facts

Yes or no was there a all black school in his home yes or no?

Yes while he was away, his wife and daughter started a school for the slaves he fought in court to keep enslaved and tortured for trying to be free.

So he did.. thank you go away

Yup. Just make sure you know that there is no evidence he supported or oversaw that school. Only that he supported and oversaw his slaves remaining enslaved and their torture for being free.

Sickening that people still today support that kind of evil

 

[Marion Morrison]

You have some proof of that? That sounds like total fabrication to me.
Btw, pouring saltwater over wounds is to disinfect and heal, dumbass.

Personally, my opinion is you're on the level of Robert E. Lee's boot heel bottom right after he stepped in dogshit.

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

I put salt on my own wounds, derp!

You really think pouring salt water over wounds from torture is a humanitarian act to prevent infection? I usually don't think less of you for being wrong, but you usually don't stoop to such absurd lies.

Agreed. It would seem odd that if Lee thought that that was able to clean wounds he didn't order that to happen with his own soldiers.

Elizabeth Brown does a great job in her book breaking down the letter written by Wesley Norris

I remained with Gen. Lee about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859; we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen. Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable was called in, who gave us the number ofl ashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to "lay it on well," an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.

And finds 7 other corroborating stories as well as the receipt to the constable to torture them. Would be a good read for those interested in actual source history backed with evidence and facts

Yes or no was there a all black school in his home yes or no?

Yes while he was away, his wife and daughter started a school for the slaves he fought in court to keep enslaved and tortured for trying to be free.

So he did.. thank you go away

Yup. Just make sure you know that there is no evidence he supported or oversaw that school. Only that he supported and oversaw his slaves remaining enslaved and their torture for being free.

Sickening that people still today support that kind of evil

You don't know the difference between good and evil because you have no moral compass.

What is your standard for good/evil, hmm? Subjective morality? Bitch, please.

 

[SandSquid]

That wasn't the school at his home. After the war Lee had said "based on wisdom and Christian principles you do a gross wrong and injustice to the whole negro race in setting them free"

And

"“You will never prosper with blacks, and it is abhorrent to a reflecting mind to be supporting and cherishing those who are plotting and working for your injury, and all of whose sympathies and associations are antagonistic to yours. I wish them no evil in the world—on the contrary, will do them every good in my power, and know that they are misled by those to whom they have given their confidence; but our material, social, and political interests are naturally with the whites."

Are you talking about his time leading Washington college when students at Washington formed their own chapter of the KKK, and were known by the local Freedmen’s Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools, and Lee did nothing to stop it?

More Fallacies

Mind if I ask what you're basing that on? those letters came directly from Lee's family, in their own archives of his writings such as his March 12 1868 letter to his son Robert E Lee Jr. Who kept it.

I would also recommend Thomas Cooks interview with Lee for the New York herald after the war.

You already agreed the had a all black school in his home.. go away..

Yes. While he tortured his slaves for trying to be free, when he was gone his wife and daughter started a school for them

Lol it was a war.. im sure whites got the same treatment for many reasons, he was treating them blacks like equals

Actually that is a lie and countered by historical fact. In Lee's letters to grant he specifically would not trade black POWs in a POW exchange because they were in his words "Confederate property".

Also in another letter with Grant it was only black POWs that he was using as human shields on the front line of their defenses.