Congressman Scalise says there are enough votes to limit the powers of Congress

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Yes, you read that thread title correctly. House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) joins many other Republican lawmakers standing behind the President's national emergency declaration which bypasses Congress for the funding of his wall. Of course, Scalise did not put it that way, but, cutting through the political B.S., that is the effect of his statement and the voting of House Republicans.

First, some background; we must go back to Feb. 15. Trump signed a spending and border security plan into law to keep the government running through Sept. 30. Ending one controversy he started, he immediately started another one, this time a Constitutional crisis. He declared a national emergency to re-purpose funds from other parts of the government, primarily the defense department, to build his proposed border wall without Congressional approval. He hopes to create a pool of $8 billion to use for his wall, because the bill he signed specifically denied any funds for a wall.

With that as a backdrop, we move to today. The House of Representatives passed a resolution to terminate Trump's emergency declaration to build a wall on our southern border. The vote was 245-182, as thirteen Republicans voted with the Democrats to pass the measure. The Republican-led Senate is likely to pass the resolution.

Now we come to Scalise and his statement. "When you see the vote today, there will be nowhere near the votes to override a veto. This is clearly one of those cases where the President can declare an emergency and he has because there is a crisis at the border and he's working to keep our country safe," Scalise said ahead of the House vote.

Please note, he did not say anything about building a wall or a barrier. He mentioned the President's authority to declare a national emergency, to which no one is denying. Then he described the decades old problem at our southern border.

"Democrats were silent there [Obama's use of national emergency] but all of the sudden when it comes to the national security of this country - which is a constitutional responsibility of the president to keep our country safe - when the President is standing up and taking legal action to do it now all of the sudden they're wondering if it's allowed," he continued.

No they are not. The Democrats are not questioning the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. They, along with many others, including former senior security officials of both parties, are questioning the existence of the emergency. Democrats time and time again have voted for billions of dollars for border security. The last time was Feb. 15. Once again, there is no mention of a wall or barrier which was Trump's entire reasoning for declaring a national emergency in the first place.

Again, cutting through all of Scalise's political B.S., that is all beside the point. This is the point. The power of the purse is vested in Congress as laid down in the Constitution in Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.

Trump was denied funds for his wall by Congress, and now is attempting to gather up $8B for his wall, using funds Congress has already appropriated for other purposes. As stated in our Constitution, twice, Congress appropriates, not the executive branch.

The Republican whip -- without daring to mention the words "wall" or "barrier" -- told us that he has enough votes in the House to prevent overriding the President's veto.

In other words, Scalise is saying there are enough Republican votes in the House to uphold Trump's decision to weaken the power of Congress! He is proud to hand this expanded power of the executive branch over to a future liberal President as a consequence of the precedence he and other Republicans are setting!
 
If Scalise thinks that Congress should give up their Article 1 Constitutional mandate to control the purse strings...he should simply resign
 
"Democrats were silent there [Obama's use of national emergency] but all of the sudden when it comes to the national security of this country - which is a constitutional responsibility of the president to keep our country safe - when the President is standing up and taking legal action to do it now all of the sudden they're wondering if it's allowed," he continued.
Is he wrong?

Now we come to Scalise and his statement. "When you see the vote today, there will be nowhere near the votes to override a veto. This is clearly one of those cases where the President can declare an emergency and he has because there is a crisis at the border and he's working to keep our country safe," Scalise said ahead of the House vote.
Well, I am sorry that the democrats don't have the votes or get the fiat power they believe they are entitled to wield. Looks like the system worked.
:dunno:

It's now an issue for the Court to decide.

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If Scalise thinks that Congress should give up their Article 1 Constitutional mandate to control the purse strings...he should simply resign
Where did he say that?

You just don't like the FACT that this is out of the hands of the House. It has no power to stop such a declaration without the votes.

You're mad that you now must rely on the other check....the Courts.

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What a load of crap. The powers of Congress is no less now than it was yesterday, or will be tomorrow. The Democrats don't get to override a presidential veto just because his name is Trump. Tough shit guys.
 
By the way:

The Democrats are not questioning the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. They, along with many others, including former senior security officials of both parties, are questioning the existence of the emergency.
Who gets to decide what constitutes an emergency?

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By the way:

The Democrats are not questioning the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. They, along with many others, including former senior security officials of both parties, are questioning the existence of the emergency.
Who gets to decide what constitutes an emergency?

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That would be the President of the United States. Even if he is a Republican.
 
Yes, you read that thread title correctly. House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) joins many other Republican lawmakers standing behind the President's national emergency declaration which bypasses Congress for the funding of his wall. Of course, Scalise did not put it that way, but, cutting through the political B.S., that is the effect of his statement and the voting of House Republicans.

First, some background; we must go back to Feb. 15. Trump signed a spending and border security plan into law to keep the government running through Sept. 30. Ending one controversy he started, he immediately started another one, this time a Constitutional crisis. He declared a national emergency to re-purpose funds from other parts of the government, primarily the defense department, to build his proposed border wall without Congressional approval. He hopes to create a pool of $8 billion to use for his wall, because the bill he signed specifically denied any funds for a wall.

With that as a backdrop, we move to today. The House of Representatives passed a resolution to terminate Trump's emergency declaration to build a wall on our southern border. The vote was 245-182, as thirteen Republicans voted with the Democrats to pass the measure. The Republican-led Senate is likely to pass the resolution.

Now we come to Scalise and his statement. "When you see the vote today, there will be nowhere near the votes to override a veto. This is clearly one of those cases where the President can declare an emergency and he has because there is a crisis at the border and he's working to keep our country safe," Scalise said ahead of the House vote.

Please note, he did not say anything about building a wall or a barrier. He mentioned the President's authority to declare a national emergency, to which no one is denying. Then he described the decades old problem at our southern border.

"Democrats were silent there [Obama's use of national emergency] but all of the sudden when it comes to the national security of this country - which is a constitutional responsibility of the president to keep our country safe - when the President is standing up and taking legal action to do it now all of the sudden they're wondering if it's allowed," he continued.

No they are not. The Democrats are not questioning the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. They, along with many others, including former senior security officials of both parties, are questioning the existence of the emergency. Democrats time and time again have voted for billions of dollars for border security. The last time was Feb. 15. Once again, there is no mention of a wall or barrier which was Trump's entire reasoning for declaring a national emergency in the first place.

Again, cutting through all of Scalise's political B.S., that is all beside the point. This is the point. The power of the purse is vested in Congress as laid down in the Constitution in Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.

Trump was denied funds for his wall by Congress, and now is attempting to gather up $8B for his wall, using funds Congress has already appropriated for other purposes. As stated in our Constitution, twice, Congress appropriates, not the executive branch.

The Republican whip -- without daring to mention the words "wall" or "barrier" -- told us that he has enough votes in the House to prevent overriding the President's veto.

In other words, Scalise is saying there are enough Republican votes in the House to uphold Trump's decision to weaken the power of Congress! He is proud to hand this expanded power of the executive branch over to a future liberal President as a consequence of the precedence he and other Republicans are setting!
Cool then congress won't do shit when President Kamala takes your guns because it's an emergency
 
Yes, you read that thread title correctly. House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) joins many other Republican lawmakers standing behind the President's national emergency declaration which bypasses Congress for the funding of his wall. Of course, Scalise did not put it that way, but, cutting through the political B.S., that is the effect of his statement and the voting of House Republicans.

First, some background; we must go back to Feb. 15. Trump signed a spending and border security plan into law to keep the government running through Sept. 30. Ending one controversy he started, he immediately started another one, this time a Constitutional crisis. He declared a national emergency to re-purpose funds from other parts of the government, primarily the defense department, to build his proposed border wall without Congressional approval. He hopes to create a pool of $8 billion to use for his wall, because the bill he signed specifically denied any funds for a wall.

With that as a backdrop, we move to today. The House of Representatives passed a resolution to terminate Trump's emergency declaration to build a wall on our southern border. The vote was 245-182, as thirteen Republicans voted with the Democrats to pass the measure. The Republican-led Senate is likely to pass the resolution.

Now we come to Scalise and his statement. "When you see the vote today, there will be nowhere near the votes to override a veto. This is clearly one of those cases where the President can declare an emergency and he has because there is a crisis at the border and he's working to keep our country safe," Scalise said ahead of the House vote.

Please note, he did not say anything about building a wall or a barrier. He mentioned the President's authority to declare a national emergency, to which no one is denying. Then he described the decades old problem at our southern border.

"Democrats were silent there [Obama's use of national emergency] but all of the sudden when it comes to the national security of this country - which is a constitutional responsibility of the president to keep our country safe - when the President is standing up and taking legal action to do it now all of the sudden they're wondering if it's allowed," he continued.

No they are not. The Democrats are not questioning the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. They, along with many others, including former senior security officials of both parties, are questioning the existence of the emergency. Democrats time and time again have voted for billions of dollars for border security. The last time was Feb. 15. Once again, there is no mention of a wall or barrier which was Trump's entire reasoning for declaring a national emergency in the first place.

Again, cutting through all of Scalise's political B.S., that is all beside the point. This is the point. The power of the purse is vested in Congress as laid down in the Constitution in Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.

Trump was denied funds for his wall by Congress, and now is attempting to gather up $8B for his wall, using funds Congress has already appropriated for other purposes. As stated in our Constitution, twice, Congress appropriates, not the executive branch.

The Republican whip -- without daring to mention the words "wall" or "barrier" -- told us that he has enough votes in the House to prevent overriding the President's veto.

In other words, Scalise is saying there are enough Republican votes in the House to uphold Trump's decision to weaken the power of Congress! He is proud to hand this expanded power of the executive branch over to a future liberal President as a consequence of the precedence he and other Republicans are setting!
You liberoidal hacks couldn't care less about the Constitution...Quit acting like you're all-of-a-sudden are the saviors of it.
 
"Democrats were silent there [Obama's use of national emergency] but all of the sudden when it comes to the national security of this country - which is a constitutional responsibility of the president to keep our country safe - when the President is standing up and taking legal action to do it now all of the sudden they're wondering if it's allowed," he continued.
Is he wrong?

Now we come to Scalise and his statement. "When you see the vote today, there will be nowhere near the votes to override a veto. This is clearly one of those cases where the President can declare an emergency and he has because there is a crisis at the border and he's working to keep our country safe," Scalise said ahead of the House vote.
Well, I am sorry that the democrats don't have the votes or get the fiat power they believe they are entitled to wield. Looks like the system worked.
:dunno:

It's now an issue for the Court to decide.

.

You are missing the point.

In other words, Scalise is saying there are enough Republican votes in the House to uphold Trump's decision to weaken the power of Congress! He is proud to hand this expanded power of the executive branch over to a future liberal President as a consequence of the precedence he and other Republicans are setting!

What I find absolutely fascinating is that not one Republican in Congress who supports Trump's attempt to usurp the appropriations power of Congress to build a wall has spoken out in support of Trump's wall or barrier or "whatever you want to call it."

They talk about border security. They moan that Congress did not give Trump the funding. They insist there is a crisis on our border. Like Scalise, they offer more political B.S.

But Congressional Republicans don't dare talk about the wall or barrier which is the entire focus of the Constitutional crisis. They don't talk about supporting Trump's attempt to infringe on the powers of Congress which is the entire focus of the Constitutional crisis.

In other words, Trump Republicans in Congress are doing their best to avoid reality. That is the only way Trump can be supported, avoid reality and the truth. If one is a Republican in Congress, B.S. your way through it.
 
"Democrats were silent there [Obama's use of national emergency] but all of the sudden when it comes to the national security of this country - which is a constitutional responsibility of the president to keep our country safe - when the President is standing up and taking legal action to do it now all of the sudden they're wondering if it's allowed," he continued.
Is he wrong?

Now we come to Scalise and his statement. "When you see the vote today, there will be nowhere near the votes to override a veto. This is clearly one of those cases where the President can declare an emergency and he has because there is a crisis at the border and he's working to keep our country safe," Scalise said ahead of the House vote.
Well, I am sorry that the democrats don't have the votes or get the fiat power they believe they are entitled to wield. Looks like the system worked.
:dunno:

It's now an issue for the Court to decide.

.

You are missing the point.

In other words, Scalise is saying there are enough Republican votes in the House to uphold Trump's decision to weaken the power of Congress! He is proud to hand this expanded power of the executive branch over to a future liberal President as a consequence of the precedence he and other Republicans are setting!

What I find absolutely fascinating is that not one Republican in Congress who supports Trump's attempt to usurp the appropriations power of Congress to build a wall has spoken out in support of Trump's wall or barrier or "whatever you want to call it."

They talk about border security. They moan that Congress did not give Trump the funding. They insist there is a crisis on our border. Like Scalise, they offer more political B.S.

But Congressional Republicans don't dare talk about the wall or barrier which is the entire focus of the Constitutional crisis. They don't talk about supporting Trump's attempt to infringe on the powers of Congress which is the entire focus of the Constitutional crisis.

In other words, Trump Republicans in Congress are doing their best to avoid reality. That is the only way Trump can be supported, avoid reality and the truth. If one is a Republican in Congress, B.S. your way through it.

Trump Republicans in Congress are doing their best to avoid reality. That is the only way Trump can be supported, avoid reality and the truth. If one is a Republican in Congress, B.S. your way through it.

Senators who have explicitly supported the national emergency declaration

Mike Braun (R-Ind.)
“This legislation did not sufficiently address the humanitarian and security crisis on our southern border and left President Trump with no other option than to declare a national emergency, which I support.” Read more »

Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.)
“Our agreement makes a significant down payment on the president’s ultimate border security goal, and to help further achieve that goal, I plan to support his national emergency declaration.” Read more »

Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.)
“As he’s said from Day One, [Trump] will address the crisis at the southern border, whether or not Congress does. Today [Trump] fulfilled that promise and acted — not without precedent — to put national security first.” Read more »

Mike Crapo (R-Idaho)
“I believe there is a strong emergency there,” Crapo said, “and this is the correct process to follow to address it.” Read more »

Steve Daines (R-Mont.)
“We need more force. We are understaffed in many places across our state whether it's at the county level, state level, federal level. This needs to be a full-court press, but that was also one of the outcomes of the portion just signed today. It has some additional resources for grants for communities to fight the meth problem. That's good news for Montana.” Read more »

Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.)
“I stand firmly behind President Trump’s decision to use executive powers to build the wall-barriers we desperately need.” Read more »

John Hoeven (R-N.D.)
“We support the President's efforts to strengthen border security and will continue working with him to secure additional funding needed to construct physical barriers at the southern border.” Read more »

John Neely Kennedy (R-La.)
“It’s not my preferred choice, but I’m going to support the president. He will be exercising powers that Congress has given him, so this business about, 'Well it’s unprecedented, and it circumvents Congress,' Congress gave him the power. The National Emergencies Act has been used 60 times by presidents since the mid-1970s.” Read more »

Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)
"I had an opportunity to speak with President Trump and he, I would say to all my colleagues, has indicated he's prepared to sign the bill. He also [will] be issuing a national emergency declaration at the same time. I indicated I'm going to support the national emergency declaration." Read more »

Rick Scott (R-Fla.)
“I applaud the President’s decision to put the safety of our country first and use his authority to secure our border. This is a reasoned, measured approach to fulfill his duty as Commander in Chief and keep our country safe, and I appreciate that he kept his word to not repurpose funds designated for disaster relief funding for Florida or Puerto Rico, which I’ve discussed with him at length.” Read more »

Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.)
“I’m pleased that [Trump] signed legislation today that makes a down payment on the border wall and avoids another shutdown. I also support his exercise of emergency authority to do even more to secure the border.” Read more »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...tl-emergency-politics/?utm_term=.499e8559e5c5
 
Yes, you read that thread title correctly. House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) joins many other Republican lawmakers standing behind the President's national emergency declaration which bypasses Congress for the funding of his wall. Of course, Scalise did not put it that way, but, cutting through the political B.S., that is the effect of his statement and the voting of House Republicans.

First, some background; we must go back to Feb. 15. Trump signed a spending and border security plan into law to keep the government running through Sept. 30. Ending one controversy he started, he immediately started another one, this time a Constitutional crisis. He declared a national emergency to re-purpose funds from other parts of the government, primarily the defense department, to build his proposed border wall without Congressional approval. He hopes to create a pool of $8 billion to use for his wall, because the bill he signed specifically denied any funds for a wall.

With that as a backdrop, we move to today. The House of Representatives passed a resolution to terminate Trump's emergency declaration to build a wall on our southern border. The vote was 245-182, as thirteen Republicans voted with the Democrats to pass the measure. The Republican-led Senate is likely to pass the resolution.

Now we come to Scalise and his statement. "When you see the vote today, there will be nowhere near the votes to override a veto. This is clearly one of those cases where the President can declare an emergency and he has because there is a crisis at the border and he's working to keep our country safe," Scalise said ahead of the House vote.

Please note, he did not say anything about building a wall or a barrier. He mentioned the President's authority to declare a national emergency, to which no one is denying. Then he described the decades old problem at our southern border.

"Democrats were silent there [Obama's use of national emergency] but all of the sudden when it comes to the national security of this country - which is a constitutional responsibility of the president to keep our country safe - when the President is standing up and taking legal action to do it now all of the sudden they're wondering if it's allowed," he continued.

No they are not. The Democrats are not questioning the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. They, along with many others, including former senior security officials of both parties, are questioning the existence of the emergency. Democrats time and time again have voted for billions of dollars for border security. The last time was Feb. 15. Once again, there is no mention of a wall or barrier which was Trump's entire reasoning for declaring a national emergency in the first place.

Again, cutting through all of Scalise's political B.S., that is all beside the point. This is the point. The power of the purse is vested in Congress as laid down in the Constitution in Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.

Trump was denied funds for his wall by Congress, and now is attempting to gather up $8B for his wall, using funds Congress has already appropriated for other purposes. As stated in our Constitution, twice, Congress appropriates, not the executive branch.

The Republican whip -- without daring to mention the words "wall" or "barrier" -- told us that he has enough votes in the House to prevent overriding the President's veto.

In other words, Scalise is saying there are enough Republican votes in the House to uphold Trump's decision to weaken the power of Congress! He is proud to hand this expanded power of the executive branch over to a future liberal President as a consequence of the precedence he and other Republicans are setting!



SHIT !
 
Yes, you read that thread title correctly. House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) joins many other Republican lawmakers standing behind the President's national emergency declaration which bypasses Congress for the funding of his wall. Of course, Scalise did not put it that way, but, cutting through the political B.S., that is the effect of his statement and the voting of House Republicans.

First, some background; we must go back to Feb. 15. Trump signed a spending and border security plan into law to keep the government running through Sept. 30. Ending one controversy he started, he immediately started another one, this time a Constitutional crisis. He declared a national emergency to re-purpose funds from other parts of the government, primarily the defense department, to build his proposed border wall without Congressional approval. He hopes to create a pool of $8 billion to use for his wall, because the bill he signed specifically denied any funds for a wall.

With that as a backdrop, we move to today. The House of Representatives passed a resolution to terminate Trump's emergency declaration to build a wall on our southern border. The vote was 245-182, as thirteen Republicans voted with the Democrats to pass the measure. The Republican-led Senate is likely to pass the resolution.

Now we come to Scalise and his statement. "When you see the vote today, there will be nowhere near the votes to override a veto. This is clearly one of those cases where the President can declare an emergency and he has because there is a crisis at the border and he's working to keep our country safe," Scalise said ahead of the House vote.

Please note, he did not say anything about building a wall or a barrier. He mentioned the President's authority to declare a national emergency, to which no one is denying. Then he described the decades old problem at our southern border.

"Democrats were silent there [Obama's use of national emergency] but all of the sudden when it comes to the national security of this country - which is a constitutional responsibility of the president to keep our country safe - when the President is standing up and taking legal action to do it now all of the sudden they're wondering if it's allowed," he continued.

No they are not. The Democrats are not questioning the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. They, along with many others, including former senior security officials of both parties, are questioning the existence of the emergency. Democrats time and time again have voted for billions of dollars for border security. The last time was Feb. 15. Once again, there is no mention of a wall or barrier which was Trump's entire reasoning for declaring a national emergency in the first place.

Again, cutting through all of Scalise's political B.S., that is all beside the point. This is the point. The power of the purse is vested in Congress as laid down in the Constitution in Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.

Trump was denied funds for his wall by Congress, and now is attempting to gather up $8B for his wall, using funds Congress has already appropriated for other purposes. As stated in our Constitution, twice, Congress appropriates, not the executive branch.

The Republican whip -- without daring to mention the words "wall" or "barrier" -- told us that he has enough votes in the House to prevent overriding the President's veto.

In other words, Scalise is saying there are enough Republican votes in the House to uphold Trump's decision to weaken the power of Congress! He is proud to hand this expanded power of the executive branch over to a future liberal President as a consequence of the precedence he and other Republicans are setting!

Your post reads like that part of a pinball game where 5 balls get launched into play and they're ricocheting all over the place.
 
By the way:

The Democrats are not questioning the authority of the President to declare a national emergency. They, along with many others, including former senior security officials of both parties, are questioning the existence of the emergency.
Who gets to decide what constitutes an emergency?

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That would be the President of the United States. Even if he is a Republican.
And when a Dem President declares an Emergency to fund something you don't like...you're good with it?
 
And when a Dem President declares an Emergency to fund something you don't like...you're good with it?
I am good with judicial review. I am also good with Congress rolling back the unlimited power.

I am NOT for changing the way our government works just because the Pres does something authorized by a prior act of congress, but that you don't like.

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