Conservatism VS Liberalism

[owebo]

Liberals tout policies rooted in class warfare. Take Income Inequality. They believe this can be resolved through redistribution of other peoples' money. How's that working out?

Built the greatest civilization ever in the known universe.

The USSR fell apart. Check your history!

Was referring to the USA. That you trumpians think the USSR was the greatest is not surprising though.

You do know we republicans destroyed the USSR...right?

 

[Iceweasel]

Liberals tout policies rooted in class warfare. Take Income Inequality. They believe this can be resolved through redistribution of other peoples' money. How's that working out?

Built the greatest civilization ever in the known universe.

The USSR fell apart. Check your history!

Was referring to the USA. That you trumpians think the USSR was the greatest is not surprising though.

You do know we republicans destroyed the USSR...right?

That's why liberals hate us.

 

[rightwinger]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Nice try ...but makes no sense

A liberal craftsman will take chances, be creative , use new tools, try things never done before

A conservative craftsman will do things again and again the same way just to be safe. This is the way my father and grandfather did it

That is entirely not true. Likely the most conservative group in this country today, is the Amish. Have you been to an Amish Furniture store?

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Terrible Conservative made Wood Working.


Brilliant Left-wing Liberal 'wood working'.View attachment 106179
Yes, that's right... made with genuine recycled used wood, with all the latest in popular Liberal Ideals. The lamps are recycled metal as well (which is why they are bent like crap), but then new fashionable eco-friendly Liberal crap, can all be yours! Complete with wood rot, and insect holes!
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That is soooooooo chic.... So in vogue.... So Liberal, and better than that cheesy hard wood, hand engraved, conservative made solid stuff..... that doesn't look like a bad set of lincoln logs....

My bedroom set and dining room table and chairs were bought in Lancaster PA (actually Intercourse)
Now, in terms of using new tools, they do have issues with electricity

Beautiful work, solid oak and maple with no corners cut. Expensive, but furniture that will last 100 years

 

[rightwinger]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

So you don't like unions now. About time you figured out that scam.

 

[candycorn]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

So you don't like unions now. About time you figured out that scam.

Speaking of unions, guess who was a member for 20 or so years and now gets a union pension. Donald Trump. Yes the POTUS.
Its amazing that you guys don’t even know much about your messiah.

 

[rightwinger]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

So you don't like unions now. About time you figured out that scam.

The American worker has suffered since the demise of unions

 

[candycorn]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

So you don't like unions now. About time you figured out that scam.

The American worker has suffered since the demise of unions

That is true. I think Unions have a large burden in their own demise. As I’ve often repeated here, when I graduated HS, I had offers from colleges, the military, etc… Not once was there anything about joining a union or it’s reps. Which was odd because as it turns out, a few of my scholarships came from people who turned out to be union men.

 

[P@triot]

The American worker has suffered since the demise of unions

As usual, wrongwinger has it completely wrong. The American worker has flourished since the demise of unions.

For starters, they don't have greedy communists ripping them off and taking a huge chunk of every pay check. Second, their jobs aren't being shipped overseas because greedy, unreasonable unions are demanding more money, perks, and benefits than any company could afford.

The UAW was the strongest union in the world. How did that work out for them? GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been shipping jobs to Mexico for as long as I can remember.

 

[P@triot]

I think Unions have a large burden in their own demise.

No - education has been the demise of unions. Education has been the demise of all things left-wing.

An educated person works white-collar jobs. Management battles unions - they don't join them. And, an educated person realizes that it's absurd to have a huge chunk of their pay check stolen by criminals who live like millionaires at the expense of the minimum wage worker (which is how socialism always ends).

 

[Andylusion]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

Not true at all. I worked at car dealership where there was a kid whose father was an auto-mechanic, and he simply couldn't fix cars. He lost his apprenticeship.

The idea that simply coming from a family of successful people, magically means you have a free ride to the top without hard work and effort, is a complete and total joke.

I was working at a company just a few years ago, where the owner was retiring, and handed it off to his son. His son ran the company into the ground, to the point the board of executives called up the retired owner, and said they were removing his son as CEO, and he would either take over the company again, or they would all resign. He came back, and the the son, was removed.

This claim of yours (or implication) that if you can get by with being from a family of carpenters, means you'll magically make a good carpenter, is a joke. It all takes tons of hard work and effort.

There are many factors involved, such as your morality. People who cheat, lie, and steal, are not going to be successful. And that doesn't matter if you are white or black, quote unquote 'privileged' or poor.

I have a relative who was an engineer, and made hundreds of millions. Yet his son dropped out, and ended up in prison. He couldn't engineer anything.

And if everything you said was true, and it's not about hard work and effort.... then explain Asians? In the early 1900s, Asians were poor like any other minority. Today, Asians all do better than White Americans, by any standard of measurement.

So they started off with no long line of successful carpenters, and now they do better than those who did. Can you explain that?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

So you don't like unions now. About time you figured out that scam.

The American worker has suffered since the demise of unions

You just said unions were bad. And somehow in a twisted way made it racial and privleged. So which is it?

 

[Andylusion]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

So you don't like unions now. About time you figured out that scam.

Speaking of unions, guess who was a member for 20 or so years and now gets a union pension. Donald Trump. Yes the POTUS.
Its amazing that you guys don’t even know much about your messiah.

First off, I have no messiah but the one true Messiah, and it's not any person in politics anywhere.

I'm not looking for a politician to fix my life, and I think anyone that even thinks of trying to vote for a person because he's going to fix your life, is an idiot. I have a little black girl I work with, and she's anti-Obama, because in her own words, as soon as people told her Obama was going to fix everything for black people, she knew it was all a fraud.

Left-wingers are looking for a messiah, because they have no savior. I do. Jesus Christ, the Lord of all. I don't need another one.

Moreover, anyone that is looking to a politician to fix everything... seriously.... say that out loud "I'm looking for a politician that will fix everything!".... if you can say that with a straight face.... you need medication.

But back to the point....

I don't have a problem with Trump taking Union Pension, or the people taking food stamps, or the people taking welfare, or anything.

I have problem with the system that gives those things out. Not a problem with people taking them.

If I take a job where I am required to join a Union, then I'm going to take every single last penny, that they give me. Who wouldn't?

Just like if they change the law so I qualify for food stamps, I'm going to take every last dollar they are willing to give me. Who wouldn't?

Candy... if you... YOU are stupid enough to send me money, I'll take every dollar from you, that you offer me.

Does that mean I'll vote to force you to give me money? No. Does that mean I'll vote to give out food stamps? No. Does that mean I support Unions? No.

These positions are not mutually exclusive. I can see from the evidence that Unions destroy the companies they gain control over. Therefore I have determined that Unions are bad, and I oppose any laws supporting them.

But if I have to join a union, and I have to pay Union dues, man I'm collecting every penny from that pension or union benefits I can. Doesn't mean I'm supporting Unions. It means I'm smart enough to take what other people are stupid enough to give me.

If the Actors Guild is willing to pay a multi-billionaire $168K a year..... That makes them stupid... not Trump. That just make Trump smart enough to take money stupid people are handing out.

I'd do exactly the same.

 

[P@triot]

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

Not true at all. I worked at car dealership where there was a kid whose father was an auto-mechanic, and he simply couldn't fix cars. He lost his apprenticeship.

The idea that simply coming from a family of successful people, magically means you have a free ride to the top without hard work and effort, is a complete and total joke.

I was working at a company just a few years ago, where the owner was retiring, and handed it off to his son. His son ran the company into the ground, to the point the board of executives called up the retired owner, and said they were removing his son as CEO, and he would either take over the company again, or they would all resign. He came back, and the the son, was removed.

This claim of yours (or implication) that if you can get by with being from a family of carpenters, means you'll magically make a good carpenter, is a joke. It all takes tons of hard work and effort.

There are many factors involved, such as your morality. People who cheat, lie, and steal, are not going to be successful. And that doesn't matter if you are white or black, quote unquote 'privileged' or poor.

I have a relative who was an engineer, and made hundreds of millions. Yet his son dropped out, and ended up in prison. He couldn't engineer anything.

And if everything you said was true, and it's not about hard work and effort.... then explain Asians? In the early 1900s, Asians were poor like any other minority. Today, Asians all do better than White Americans, by any standard of measurement.

So they started off with no long line of successful carpenters, and now they do better than those who did. Can you explain that?

Everything that wrongwinger says is wrong. That's why they call him wrongwinger. You have to realize - a progressive is an envious, hateful little creature. They blame the world and everyone in it for their lot in life and they set out to punish and get "even".

Dirt-poor people have become unimaginably wealthy and wealthy people have lost it all and become dirt-poor). The entire "privilege" narrative from progressives is a joke and completely idiotic (just like progressives themselves). The Menendez brothers went from wealth to a life in prison. Dawn Loggins went from homeless and parentless to Harvard graduate. You know why? She didn't sit around feeling sorry for herself and looking to punish others. Instead, she just kept doing what she needed to do.

 

[Andylusion]

The American worker has suffered since the demise of unions

As usual, wrongwinger has it completely wrong. The American worker has flourished since the demise of unions.

For starters, they don't have greedy communists ripping them off and taking a huge chunk of every pay check. Second, their jobs aren't being shipped overseas because greedy, unreasonable unions are demanding more money, perks, and benefits than any company could afford.

The UAW was the strongest union in the world. How did that work out for them? GM, Ford, and Chrysler have been shipping jobs to Mexico for as long as I can remember.

All true. I just met a district manager for a Steel company near Youngstown Ohio. 20 years ago, he was a scab. The Unions were breaking all the steel companies, and this specific company said screw the Unions.

The Unions tried to screw back with a strike. They hired on all these scabs, and he was one of them. In under a month, they increased productivity by 25% over the Union workers. And thanks to the Unions screwing up all the other steel companies, this company started really making money.

He now has a six figure income, as a district manager, after working his way up from entry level.

As for the Union employees... well they obviously never got their jobs back. Who knows what happened to them.

 

[rightwinger]

I've been thinking of good way to teach people what each one means and may have come up with the parable. Wood shop. Yes that icky physical labor lefties hate so much. But it fits.

You step into wood shop on day one and have a choice to make. You can choose to be a liberal craftsman or a conservative one.

If you choose to be a liberal you will have the choice of all pine blocks cut exactly the same, same size, same weight and same grain. And you will make that into smaller blocks, perfectly square if you can but if you can't do that it's fine. You are guaranteed to get a D in the class. You can't make anything other than square blocks, you can never get a C for making better blocks than anyone else but you can't fail either if you never even get a block cut out. It's all fair. No winners, no special treatment for those that did well, everything is equal.

If you choose to be a conservative craftsman you walk into a room full of all kinds of lumber. Oak, Walnut, Redwood etc. 100's of varieties. You can make anything you want, out of anything you want. What you don't get is the guaranteed D for the class. You can get an F, but you can also get an A,B or C. All you have to do is make something people like. If you make perfectly square blocks like the libs you'll probably get an F. Nobody needs those they're pretty basic. Put in a little effort though and the sky is the limit.

If you want the guaranteed barely passing grade you need to be a liberal. If you want the A and all that comes with that success you need to be a conservative. It's really that simple.

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

Not true at all. I worked at car dealership where there was a kid whose father was an auto-mechanic, and he simply couldn't fix cars. He lost his apprenticeship.

The idea that simply coming from a family of successful people, magically means you have a free ride to the top without hard work and effort, is a complete and total joke.

I was working at a company just a few years ago, where the owner was retiring, and handed it off to his son. His son ran the company into the ground, to the point the board of executives called up the retired owner, and said they were removing his son as CEO, and he would either take over the company again, or they would all resign. He came back, and the the son, was removed.

This claim of yours (or implication) that if you can get by with being from a family of carpenters, means you'll magically make a good carpenter, is a joke. It all takes tons of hard work and effort.

There are many factors involved, such as your morality. People who cheat, lie, and steal, are not going to be successful. And that doesn't matter if you are white or black, quote unquote 'privileged' or poor.

I have a relative who was an engineer, and made hundreds of millions. Yet his son dropped out, and ended up in prison. He couldn't engineer anything.

And if everything you said was true, and it's not about hard work and effort.... then explain Asians? In the early 1900s, Asians were poor like any other minority. Today, Asians all do better than White Americans, by any standard of measurement.

So they started off with no long line of successful carpenters, and now they do better than those who did. Can you explain that?

Of course not

If you are incapable of doing the job, you will fail

But the issue is that you will have the "opportunity" to do the job. Women and minorities were denied the opportunity to belong to many professions because they were deemed incapable of doing those jobs while never even giving them a chance

 

[rightwinger]

Now let's continue with your shop class

The conservative shop class does not have women in it. Women have no place in a shop and dad and grandpa never worked with women
Blacks are allowed, but they are not allowed the same tools and are expected to sweep up afterwards
A gay guy tried to join once and classmates were encouraged to call him names and beat him up after class. A liberal classmate spoke up and was accused of being "politically correct"

In the Liberal shop class, boys who actually like shop class, and are more skilled, and thus would benefit the most, are kicked out of the class, to make room for far lesser skilled people, who happen to be the politically correct gender or color.

Additionally, in the name of helping minorities, and those who are disenfranchised, the best tools and wood are taken away from those who are actually skilled at wood working, and given to those who break the tools, and destroy the wood, thus discouraging those who have real talent, and giving an air of entitlement and taking for granted what they have, those who don't have talent.

Finally, at the end of the school year, all grades are averaged out, so that those still manage to put in the effort to make a bird feed, with engraving and painted sides, complete with stand, are given the same C+ as the students who showed up with two wood slats held to together with duck tape, causing all students to be upset, and hate the entire class. Those who barely showed up, are angry because the others should have worked harder so they didn't end up with a C+. And those who worked hard, because put in so much effort, and ended up with the same as those who didn't.

Then after all the social promotion of unqualified students, to meet arbitrary versions of "equality", they go to college, and have to spend $1.5 Billion dollars in remedial class, lie "Elementary Wood Working" and then "Pre-College Wood Working" and then "Bridge-to-College Wood Working", before they can start "College Wood Working".

Remedial classes have become a hidden cost of college

(these are all based on actual Math classes now offered at Columbus State.... because students coming out of liberal public schools, have to take Elementary Math 050, to take Pre-College Math 060, to take Intermediate Math 075, to take Bridge to College Math 099.......... to then take College Math 101.

We literally have FOUR pre-college math classes, because the liberal education system is so backwards and useless, that people have to spend an entire year of classes to catch-up to...... 12th grade, after they graduate 12th grade.

This is YOUR system. Not ours.

Then you sit around complaining that college costs too much, when you we spend hundreds of billions on public schools that fail so bad, you have to take four different classes in college to catch up to entry level college?

Whose fault is that? YOURS. Not ours. You punish good students, and reward bad students, and think that conservatives are to blame? YOUR SYSTEM... not ours.

Worse, after your system sucks so horribly that is the most expensive, and least effective system in the world... then you are shocked we don't want to pay for it?

Idiots.

You are almost close

That conservative shop class will be comprised of white boys, whose fathers and grandfathers were carpenters. When they graduate, their fathers will tie them into a nice apprentice position with a guy they used to work with. Then their uncle will make sure they get accepted into the union.

They will then brag about how they got where they are through skill and hard work and berate the minorities and women who were unable to be as successful as they are

So you don't like unions now. About time you figured out that scam.

The American worker has suffered since the demise of unions

You just said unions were bad. And somehow in a twisted way made it racial and privleged. So which is it?

Where did I ever say unions were bad?

I said that those with connections had a better chance of getting a unionjob

 

[P@triot]

Of course not If you are incapable of doing the job, you will fail

But the issue is that you will have the "opportunity" to do the job. Women and minorities were denied the opportunity to belong to many professions because they were deemed incapable of doing those jobs while never even giving them a chance

As always, when wrongwinger is proven wrong - he moves the goalposts.

Snowflake - Dawn Loggins is a woman and was not only homeless, her parents abandoned her in high school. She was completely on her own. And all she did was get accepted in Harvard and will graduate with an Ivy League degree this spring.

Everything you say is an egregious lie. And we're all tired of listening to your shit. You're proven wrong in every post and yet you continue your shit. You don't have an honest bone in your body. Just admit that you want to mooch off of society and that's why you want marxism.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course not If you are incapable of doing the job, you will fail

But the issue is that you will have the "opportunity" to do the job. Women and minorities were denied the opportunity to belong to many professions because they were deemed incapable of doing those jobs while never even giving them a chance

As always, when wrongwinger is proven wrong - he moves the goalposts.

Snowflake - Dawn Loggins is a woman and was not only homeless, her parents abandoned her in high school. She was completely on her own. And all she did was get accepted in Harvard and will graduate with an Ivy League degree this spring.

Everything you say is an egregious lie. And we're all tired of listening to your shit. You're proven wrong in every post and yet you continue your shit. You don't have an honest bone in your body. Just admit that you want to mooch off of society and that's why you want marxism.

Which has NOTHING to do with my post

But I do appreciate you trying

 

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Of course not If you are incapable of doing the job, you will fail

But the issue is that you will have the "opportunity" to do the job. Women and minorities were denied the opportunity to belong to many professions because they were deemed incapable of doing those jobs while never even giving them a chance

As always, when wrongwinger is proven wrong - he moves the goalposts.

Snowflake - Dawn Loggins is a woman and was not only homeless, her parents abandoned her in high school. She was completely on her own. And all she did was get accepted in Harvard and will graduate with an Ivy League degree this spring.

Everything you say is an egregious lie. And we're all tired of listening to your shit. You're proven wrong in every post and yet you continue your shit. You don't have an honest bone in your body. Just admit that you want to mooch off of society and that's why you want marxism.

Which has NOTHING to do with my post

But I do appreciate you trying

Your post said that women are denied opportunities. You also said that people from unfortunate backgrounds have no chance. I just proved you wrong on all accounts. Thanks for playing snowflake.

Now just have an ounce of integrity for once in your life and admit that you desire to mooch off of society and that's why you support marxism. Because you're incapable of making a rational argument otherwise and it's making you look crazy stupid.