Conservatives: how much money do you think billionaires are obligated to give...

[TemplarKormac]

I don't even consider it a matter of compassion. Compassion would denote sacrifice. Billionaires are not sacrificing much by giving to charity. This is a matter of responsibility in my opinion.

Contrary to what you conservatives like to believe, billionaires don't become billionaires without help. Give back to what society has helped you build.

I am not even setting a standard on this. I'm not suggesting a percentage. Just give something substantial. Something that would make a difference.

dumbass this is a false arguement, they DO give.....but if they dont....so fucking what????

Why is this an issue......if you want them to give, make em join a church, they seem to give more.

Well I can already tell you don't deserve to be a billionaire. Luckily you never will of course.

Nor will you. But my my, haven't we become quite the pocket totalitarian?

 

[buckeye45_73]

I don't even consider it a matter of compassion. Compassion would denote sacrifice. Billionaires are not sacrificing much by giving to charity. This is a matter of responsibility in my opinion.

Contrary to what you conservatives like to believe, billionaires don't become billionaires without help. Give back to what society has helped you build.

I am not even setting a standard on this. I'm not suggesting a percentage. Just give something substantial. Something that would make a difference.

dumbass this is a false arguement, they DO give.....but if they dont....so fucking what????

Why is this an issue......if you want them to give, make em join a church, they seem to give more.

Well I can already tell you don't deserve to be a billionaire. Luckily you never will of course.

"deserve" what you think they're appointed....You're a fucking idiot.....and I know you wont be......hell you dont know anything about the education system.....learn that one first

 

[Billy000]

That's the problem with liberals, they believe that you are required to give, required to prop up the less fortunate at your expense without any input from you. They wish to force compassion, not give compassion. Liberals are nonreciprocal, they demand compassion but never once consider giving it. They assume generosity is an obligation instead of an emotion. I wonder how it would work if they were made to be "compassionate" to someone else who didn't agree with them?

Liberals are wrong. But if they believe in giving so much, they can leave all their things on my front doorstep, I'd be more than glad to take it off their "compassionate" hands.

That's the problem with a lot of you conservatives you generalize WAY too much. Cant you think critically for a change? People are individuals. Not all liberals agree on all of the issues. Not all of them are hypocrites. The same goes for conservatives. People have their own opinions and their own intellectual reasoning. Why is it that so hard to believe? But i suppose that is what makes it so easy to be so black and white about the ideology you believe in. You hate the idea of your beliefs being challenged by the other side. The cognitive dissonance is too painful for you. There is a reason why I consider myself a moderate liberal. I don't reject every conservative ideals. I favor many of them. Just not most of them.

 

[Billy000]

You are requiring people sacrifice, all for the sake of charity. Thing is, it's their sacrifice to make. You're wrong. Billionaires will give an amount they feel comfortable giving. You don't get to decide how how much.

Yes, you liberals think giving is a duty, a "responsibility." No need to repeat yourself, you've confirmed it for me. This leads me to ask, have you ever given your own money to charity?

I just said that i am not setting a standard. I am not saying giving in general is a responsibility. I said it is a responsibility for billionaires to give.

Yes, I have given.

Stop.

No. IT IS NOT a responsibility. Why is it just billionaires? If you had said 'everyone', I would have given you a wider berth, but here you are. Responsibility equates with obligation, obligation equates with duty. So therefore, you are obligating them to give.

"It's amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed and sheltered. If we're compassionate, we'll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint."

-Penn Jillette

Yes, obviously I am singling out billionaires when it comes to responsibility. It is a matter of excess. Do you notice I am not including millionaires in this topic?

 

[TemplarKormac]

I just said that i am not setting a standard. I am not saying giving in general is a responsibility. I said it is a responsibility for billionaires to give.

Yes, I have given.

Stop.

No. IT IS NOT a responsibility. Why is it just billionaires? If you had said 'everyone', I would have given you a wider berth, but here you are. Responsibility equates with obligation, obligation equates with duty. So therefore, you are obligating them to give.

"It's amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed and sheltered. If we're compassionate, we'll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint."

-Penn Jillette

Yes, obviously I am singling out billionaires when it comes to responsibility. It is a matter of excess. Do you notice I am not including millionaires in this topic?

Uh yeah, because the richer they are, the more they can give, right? Please stop. You are not making your point well.

 

[Billy000]

Stop.

No. IT IS NOT a responsibility. Why is it just billionaires? If you had said 'everyone', I would have given you a wider berth, but here you are. Responsibility equates with obligation, obligation equates with duty. So therefore, you are obligating them to give.

"It's amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed and sheltered. If we're compassionate, we'll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint."

-Penn Jillette

Yes, obviously I am singling out billionaires when it comes to responsibility. It is a matter of excess. Do you notice I am not including millionaires in this topic?

Uh yeah, because the richer they are, the more they can give, right? Please stop. You are not making your point well.

Um if i am not making my point well why do you understand it?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Being a billionaire is excess. Anyone who earns that luxury deserves that luxury, but there is such a thing as misusing your fortune. As a billionaire, you can set up both yourself and your family for life and still have a shit load left over.

There is no such thing as excess profit or excess savings.

Why not put it to good use? Cancer research, diabetes, boys and girls program, take your pick. To me it is just WRONG to squander something that can do so much good.

It's their money not yours and you have no say in how it's spent saved or squandered.

 

[editec]

I note that with only a few exceptions, nearly every person here who would be thought of as leaning left has said that NOBODY is OBLIOGATED to give to charity.

Meanwhile despite the fact that the post here suggest that that is who so-called liberals think?

We have rightest posters here claiming that they think otherwise.

EVen when the facts are on this BOARD, these idiots still play their STRAW MAN GAMES.

THAT ladies and gents is what TROLLING is all about.

It's playing the I am so stupid that butter won't melt in my mouth game.

 

[Pete7469]

NO ONE is OBLIGATED to give away shit.

 

[Pogo]

Being a billionaire is excess. Anyone who earns that luxury deserves that luxury, but there is such a thing as misusing your fortune. As a billionaire, you can set up both yourself and your family for life and still have a shit load left over.

There is no such thing as excess profit or excess savings.

Of course there is. Once you've bought/invested all you could ever need, anything left over is "excess". Something you have no use for is what we call "useless".

Of course, that's still an individual call. But it certainly exists.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Being a billionaire is excess. Anyone who earns that luxury deserves that luxury, but there is such a thing as misusing your fortune. As a billionaire, you can set up both yourself and your family for life and still have a shit load left over.

There is no such thing as excess profit or excess savings.

Of course there is. Once you've bought/invested all you could ever need, anything left over is "excess". Something you have no use for is what we call "useless".

Of course, that's still an individual call. But it certainly exists.

How much useless money have you had in your lifetime?

 

[DiamondDave]

Being a billionaire is excess. Anyone who earns that luxury deserves that luxury, but there is such a thing as misusing your fortune. As a billionaire, you can set up both yourself and your family for life and still have a shit load left over.

Why not put it to good use? Cancer research, diabetes, boys and girls program, take your pick. To me it is just WRONG to squander something that can do so much good.

Because in a free society.. you are free to do what you want with your earnings.. even if some person or group wants you to do something with it like donate to 'the poor', even if they scream about what you should do... when push comes to shove you are also free to be a miserly dick or blow it all at the Bunny Ranch or whatever else

Whether YOU believe it is wrong or not, is irrelevant

 

[DiamondDave]

I don't even consider it a matter of compassion. Compassion would denote sacrifice. Billionaires are not sacrificing much by giving to charity. This is a matter of responsibility in my opinion.

Contrary to what you conservatives like to believe, billionaires don't become billionaires without help. Give back to what society has helped you build.

I am not even setting a standard on this. I'm not suggesting a percentage. Just give something substantial. Something that would make a difference.

You are requiring people sacrifice, all for the sake of charity. Thing is, it's their sacrifice to make. You're wrong. Billionaires will give an amount they feel comfortable giving. You don't get to decide how how much.

Yes, you liberals think giving is a duty, a "responsibility." No need to repeat yourself, you've confirmed it for me. This leads me to ask, have you ever given your own money to charity?

I just said that i am not setting a standard. I am not saying giving in general is a responsibility. I said it is a responsibility for billionaires to give.

Yes, I have given.

No.. it is NOT a responsibility that billionaires 'give'... that is where you are wrong

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

...to charitable causes?

I am not suggesting that we come up with laws that requires billionaires to give to charity, but I do think billionaires have a responsibility to use part of their fortune to better mankind.

I have a lot of respect for billionaires like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who plan to give half their fortune to charity after they die. To me, that is the right thing to do.

In your opinion, how much should a billionaire give while they are still alive? Throw out a percentage.

How much money should a person give if they are worth 1 billion? 5 billion?

You respect Bill and Melinda Gates? For what?!!! Do tell!

 

[Pogo]

There is no such thing as excess profit or excess savings.

Of course there is. Once you've bought/invested all you could ever need, anything left over is "excess". Something you have no use for is what we call "useless".

Of course, that's still an individual call. But it certainly exists.

How much useless money have you had in your lifetime?

How is this thread about me?

 

[jasonnfree]

If we can require young men to give their lives for the good of the country, then we can certainly require billionaires to give money for the good of the country.

Are you saying billionaires pay zero taxes?

Our last two wars were fought by all volunteer armies, you know the ones the liberals said would never happen.

What were our last 2 wars? I mean we have a permanent war economy now so you have to be more specific but if you're referring to Iraq and Afghanistan then yes, there has been no drafting of young men yet. The "defense" industry found out during the Vietnam war days that the draft wasn't too popular so the war department doesn't have to do the hard thing yet. Better to induce young people into the military for economic reasons by help with education money for instance. This is why Lyndie England went in the service. To ultimately get an education. She ended up doing prison time and war criminal bush just had a library opened in his honor with obama licking his rear end and telling the world what a great guy bush is. Also, without a draft we're able to enrich the defense contractor industry by using contractors to drive trucks, serve food etc. Pay them way more than the troops and they don't have to worry about the UCMJ like the ordinary government issues (GI's) had to. Not to worry, Halliburton and the like will be defended to death their right to pay as few taxes as possible by ass kissing republicans.

By the way, the ending of the Vietnam war was due to liberals and socialists protesting the draft.

 

[Pogo]

...to charitable causes?

I am not suggesting that we come up with laws that requires billionaires to give to charity, but I do think billionaires have a responsibility to use part of their fortune to better mankind.

I have a lot of respect for billionaires like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who plan to give half their fortune to charity after they die. To me, that is the right thing to do.

In your opinion, how much should a billionaire give while they are still alive? Throw out a percentage.

How much money should a person give if they are worth 1 billion? 5 billion?

You respect Bill and Melinda Gates? For what?!!! Do tell!

Because they've put thirty or forty billion dollars of their excess money in a charitable foundation. Or don't your news sources in Knuckledraggistan mention that?

They're not "obligated" to do that, any more than the OP is "obligated" not to respect them for doing that -- which is apparently where you're going.

If they did that because they were obligated to do that, then there would be no reason for respect. The fact that they don't have to, and do anyway, earns respect.

I mean ------- duh.

 

[whitehall]

I'm sorry but nobody has a responsibility to give part of their fortune to "better mankind". Who do libs think should be in charge of the "better mankind" donations? Should they take a cut for administrative fees? What if the "mankind" they intend to "better" hates America?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Of course there is. Once you've bought/invested all you could ever need, anything left over is "excess". Something you have no use for is what we call "useless".

Of course, that's still an individual call. But it certainly exists.

How much useless money have you had in your lifetime?

How is this thread about me?

You made the statement about people having useless leftover money and that it exists. I figured you had first hand knowledge. If not, then can you point to anyone that has useless leftover money?

 

[Pop23]

I don't consider myself a "conservative", but I'll answer it this way. If a wealthy man is a Christian....

Matther 19:24

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."