Conservatives sold themselves two lies

[Correll]

Sure, PC and Identity Politics are intellectually dishonest, cowardly, counter-productive and incredibly cynical. But they sure have been effective. So here we are, and the GOP is pretty much out of time to do anything about it.

I think they could have, but they wanted to stick to their "principles". Okay, that's their call. As I said, here we are.
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???

Not sure what you don't get.

I've said all along - Demographics are in the process of dramatically changing, and the GOP is completely ignoring that fact.

If you disagree, if you think the party is cruising along in no danger, then we definitely disagree.
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Why don't you just say what you think the GOP should do in response to these demographic changes instead of beating around the bush.

I've been saying it forever: They have to reach out to minorities with a message that's sincere. And part of that message has to be an admission that the Right has made some pretty obvious screwups.

Look at the posts: So far no conservative agrees. That's selling out. That's pandering.

Okay, that's fine, but that's what it would take. Anything less is just rolling over.
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Okay, that's fine, but that's what it would take. Anything less is just rolling over.

They literally hate those demographics you spoke of. To them, it's too far gone already.
Civil war. Kill them all. Blow it up and start over.

Hate? Who hates anyone?


If the gop hated anyone, we've done a strange job of showing it over the last 50 years.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yep, very good point. And "rejection" is a very good term.

The GOP is doing this to themselves, and they don't have to. They've been led down the wrong road.
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You know what I find most amusing about the left these days, Mac? It's their habit of accusing the opposition of the very thing that they themselves are guilty of. The GOP plays "identity politics"? Really?

Partisan ideologues do that. I can't speak for Coyote, but I think the two sides play that game differently. The Left is aggressive, cynical and blatant in its use of Identity Politics, and with the Right it's a more de facto, indirect thing.
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The left says "you don't have what you deserve because that person over there took it from you"...the right says "we can help you become that person over there." That's the "game".

Not from a minority person's perspective. The GOP can ignore that if it wants to.
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What is that minority person's "perspective" built upon, Mac? When you're told over and over again that you are a victim...it's human nature to start to believe what you've been told. It's a seductive message. Failure isn't YOUR fault...it's that person over there's fault and if you vote for me...I'll help you get some of THEIR stuff that rightfully belongs to you! Isn't that the left's message?

What is that minority person's "perspective" built upon, Mac?

It would behoove you to find out.

When you're told over and over again that you are a victim...it's human nature to start to believe what you've been told. It's a seductive message. Failure isn't YOUR fault...it's that person over there's fault and if you vote for me...I'll help you get some of THEIR stuff that rightfully belongs to you! Isn't that the left's message?

The irony.
This is exactly how you are thinking and what the RW media tells you.

Tell us some more about how the left is ruining everything.

 

[Correll]

We've been trying for generations. THat you never even heard of it, just shows how doomed the attempts were.


I support and appreciate your efforts against the regressives.


But, continuing to use language like "the republicans have rejected minorities" is part of the problem.

Well, I haven't seen it, and I'm paying attention. Maybe it wasn't done very well.
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Maybe you were lied to about it, by sources you trust.

Do you really think that the only input I have is the media? I'm living my life. Talking to people. Listening. Observing.

This is part of being led down the wrong path. You can't just point at the media and say that's the problem. You have to be curious.
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So, what in your life, told you that the GOP is racist?

Nothing in my life has told me the entire GOP is racist.

But I have seen many individual examples. And further, while I'm half Hispanic, I look more like my Austrian side. So I've sat there and listened to some pretty nasty shit from people who didn't know my ethnicity. Many, many, many times.

And when I see the party refuse to even admit this stuff still exists, when I see them refuse to clearly go after it, it only solidifies my view.
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Republicans have been thrown under the bus for NOTHING.


Remember that republican that said something like maccaran, and the media ginned up the nonsense that he had called the reporter some from of monkey?


Or when Lott, at a ONE HUNDREDTH BIRTHDAY PARTY, told an old man that he should have won his presidency bid? And had to resign from his leadership position?



People's carreers are being destroyed for nothing and you want MORE?


IMO, we cannot give the left the right to destroy anyone they want, with an accusation, based on often, nothing, and exist as a viable party.


All you are suggesting here is a faster way of going into the night.

 

[Correll]

What do you think the follow up to that should have been?

I keep saying it: Reach out. Make it obvious. Attack racism in your party. Admit mistakes. Communicate.

To me, this is screamingly obvious. Communicate. Communicate. Communicate.
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We've done that. All it does in support the vile lefty lying narrative that the GOP is the party of racism.


It failed.

Okay, well, punt. I've been saying that, too.
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You keep putting this on us. I keep asking you, what should we do/have done.


Everything you say, we've already tried, repeatedly.


Don't say "punt", say, "i don't know either".


All you are giving up, is blaming us.


OR, come up with something new.

I've said the same things over and over and over.

You say it won't work. Okay, you win. I don't know what else to tell you.

So, here it comes.
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I said it DIDN'T work when we tried it.


ANd yes, here it comes.



UNLESS, Trump massively succeeds, and some minorities find they do care about having jobs and rising wages.

 

[LoneLaugher]

We have to prove ourselves over time? Dude, it's been a little over a year since Trump was sworn in as President and he's been under nonstop attack from the main stream media and you on the left ever since he beat Hillary yet he's STILL managing to accomplish much of what he promised to do when he campaigned.

You seem to think because he DIDN'T yank the entire country over to his way of looking things overnight...that he's failed! That's quite frankly one of the dumber things someone's posted on here in quite some time. Let's be honest here...there is a HUGE part of the population that will still hate Trump no matter how successful his policies are and quite a few of them will hate him MORE if he's successful! You might want to "examine" that!

Well, you could be right. We'll see how it goes.

Is it safe to say that you have no concerns about the demographic changes coming?
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Do you have concerns about the demographic changes that have already occurred? I hate to point out an inconvenient truth, Mac but Democrats may have lost the Rust Belt. Blue collar workers don't think you care about them anymore. Union workers don't think you care about them anymore. So what happens if blacks and Hispanics start to prosper under Trump? You guys have been long on promises for both of those communities and short on follow through. Do you have concerns about a shift in loyalties if Trump's policies start making life better for people in general?

Most importantly, if Trump's and/or Republican policies kick ass, then I'm all for it. I'm not ideological. They're invited to prove me wrong. I'm wrong all the time, just ask my wife.

But your last point is important, because it goes to #2 in the OP: I'm from a mixed-race family. I married into a mixed-race family, and I'm telling ya: With minorities and the GOP, it ain't about jobs or the economy or the stock market. That's the mistake conservatives are making, assuming that minorities have the same priorities. They. Do. Not.

Minorities still feel like outcasts in their own country. And until the GOP recognizes that and specifically addresses it, nothing else is going to matter. Now, if you respond with "the Democrats have essentially cheated with their divisive Identity Politics and PC", well, yeah, I agree. But it is what it is. We are where we are. So the GOP can either continue to not see this, or they can wake up. I don't think they're going to wake up.
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Identity politics is expressing concern and caring for groups of people and then legislating accordingly.. It generally works to gain acceptance among said group.

I disagree. In this day and age identity politics is the scapegoating of another group as the cause of someone's difficulties and promising that in return for your vote...I'll take from them and give to you.

If you say so. The Dems obviously don't care about anyone except white men. The policies we promote are all geared toward helping only white men. But we are sneaky. We TELL minorities, women and gay people that we care. And they are sooo stupid, they believe us!

It's awesome!

 

[rightwinger]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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First.......They don’t care
Second.......They don’t care

They have a mentality of we won ...who cares about anyone else?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If the GOP is going to just roll over, and that appears to be the case, it'll make things tougher on anyone trying to stop this.

I'm on the outside looking in, too. The Regressives have virtually total control of the party right now. I'm doing things locally, and that's the only thing I can think of to do at this point.
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What exactly do you think we could DO?

Please see post 98.
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1. Not addressing a specific concern you have, is not rejecting you.


2. We've done nothing to make minorities feel like outcasts. We've been pushing for civil rights and diversity and all that for generations. NIXON is the one that desegregated most of the Southern schools, for Christ's sake.

The history of either party is irrelevant when it comes to civil rights because both parties have changed positions over the years. Reagan gave amnesty to illegals in the 80’s, too, but that would never happen today.

Term limits never made much sense to me. They're a bandaid at best. At worst, a hinderance. Think about. If our system was otherwise working correctly, and we have a rep we like, we should be able to keep them in office.

That is the real issue.

Different regions vote in people they like. It is the other assholes from other regions that they want to go home.

This "union" is no longer working.

People in California and the Northeast U.S. hate free-market capitalism and want a European-style soft-tyranny socialist state.

We keep going back and forth because too many people believe the socialist bullshit.

We need to break up the union and start over. Let the commies do their goose-stepping, freedom hating in their own nation.

^ What a loser.

I bet you were the kid who always flipped the game board over and stormed away when you realized you weren't going to win.


Change requires effort. It takes hard work, perseverence and time. It also requires a healthy dose of flexibility. Something the right has never understood. It's always anger and fear. It's civil war, killing or otherwise blowing it all up with them. If you're tired of being bested, then better yourself.

Interesting take on things, Hutch! So when Obama won...did the right take to the streets wearing black uniforms with their faces covered to destroy property and shut down cities? That just happened with the left when Trump won. So who's REALLY the purveyors of anger and fear these days? Which party is the "flexible" one these days?

Great example of my point. Thank you.

More fear mongering. Try addressing my point. When has the right mobilized for change in any real way? The tea party movement tried but was never a unified front and fizzled out.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Looking at the threads, it's pretty clear that many of Trump's supporters are throwing up their hands right now. Understandable. Some are blaming Trump, others are blaming the GOP "swamp". Whichever.

Conservatives allowed themselves to believe two lies:

First, that overnight, they could just yank this entire country over to their way of looking at things. Mention "incrementalism" and they'd laugh. They figured things would just go so swimmingly, so quickly, that we'd all just mindlessly fall in line behind them. That's not how it works, guys. You have to prove yourselves. Bit by bit. Over time. You haven't.

Second, that their national priorities are shared by everyone else. Wrong again. You point to the stock market and unemployment as the reasons we should all fall in line. That shows you don't understand that a growing number of people have different priorities. I wonder if you know what they are. You never bring them up. Would any of you like to guess?

We'll know more in eight months. But at some level, you have to know this hasn't been a rousing success so far, and the current trajectory ain't favorable. Outside of blaming someone else, you may want to examine why.
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We have to prove ourselves over time? Dude, it's been a little over a year since Trump was sworn in as President and he's been under nonstop attack from the main stream media and you on the left ever since he beat Hillary yet he's STILL managing to accomplish much of what he promised to do when he campaigned.

You seem to think because he DIDN'T yank the entire country over to his way of looking things overnight...that he's failed! That's quite frankly one of the dumber things someone's posted on here in quite some time. Let's be honest here...there is a HUGE part of the population that will still hate Trump no matter how successful his policies are and quite a few of them will hate him MORE if he's successful! You might want to "examine" that!

Well, you could be right. We'll see how it goes.

Is it safe to say that you have no concerns about the demographic changes coming?
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Do you have concerns about the demographic changes that have already occurred? I hate to point out an inconvenient truth, Mac but Democrats may have lost the Rust Belt. Blue collar workers don't think you care about them anymore. Union workers don't think you care about them anymore. So what happens if blacks and Hispanics start to prosper under Trump? You guys have been long on promises for both of those communities and short on follow through. Do you have concerns about a shift in loyalties if Trump's policies start making life better for people in general?

Most importantly, if Trump's and/or Republican policies kick ass, then I'm all for it. I'm not ideological. They're invited to prove me wrong. I'm wrong all the time, just ask my wife.

But your last point is important, because it goes to #2 in the OP: I'm from a mixed-race family. I married into a mixed-race family, and I'm telling ya: With minorities and the GOP, it ain't about jobs or the economy or the stock market. That's the mistake conservatives are making, assuming that minorities have the same priorities. They. Do. Not.

Minorities still feel like outcasts in their own country. And until the GOP recognizes that and specifically addresses it, nothing else is going to matter. Now, if you respond with "the Democrats have essentially cheated with their divisive Identity Politics and PC", well, yeah, I agree. But it is what it is. We are where we are. So the GOP can either continue to not see this, or they can wake up. I don't think they're going to wake up.
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Identity politics is expressing concern and caring for groups of people and then legislating accordingly.. It generally works to gain acceptance among said group.

Sounds like they're doing their jobs.

 

[Correll]

What exactly do you think we could DO?

Please see post 98.
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1. Not addressing a specific concern you have, is not rejecting you.


2. We've done nothing to make minorities feel like outcasts. We've been pushing for civil rights and diversity and all that for generations. NIXON is the one that desegregated most of the Southern schools, for Christ's sake.

The history of either party is irrelevant when it comes to civil rights because both parties have changed positions over the years. Reagan gave amnesty to illegals in the 80’s, too, but that would never happen today.

Term limits never made much sense to me. They're a bandaid at best. At worst, a hinderance. Think about. If our system was otherwise working correctly, and we have a rep we like, we should be able to keep them in office.

That is the real issue.

Different regions vote in people they like. It is the other assholes from other regions that they want to go home.

This "union" is no longer working.

People in California and the Northeast U.S. hate free-market capitalism and want a European-style soft-tyranny socialist state.

We keep going back and forth because too many people believe the socialist bullshit.

We need to break up the union and start over. Let the commies do their goose-stepping, freedom hating in their own nation.

^ What a loser.

I bet you were the kid who always flipped the game board over and stormed away when you realized you weren't going to win.


Change requires effort. It takes hard work, perseverence and time. It also requires a healthy dose of flexibility. Something the right has never understood. It's always anger and fear. It's civil war, killing or otherwise blowing it all up with them. If you're tired of being bested, then better yourself.

Interesting take on things, Hutch! So when Obama won...did the right take to the streets wearing black uniforms with their faces covered to destroy property and shut down cities? That just happened with the left when Trump won. So who's REALLY the purveyors of anger and fear these days? Which party is the "flexible" one these days?

Great example of my point. Thank you.

More fear mongering. Try addressing my point. When has the right mobilized for change in any real way? The tea party movement tried but was never a unified front and fizzled out.

If we can revitalize the middle class, that will be a pleasant change, that we did.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Yes! As I said, the Left's multi-generational use of PC and Identity Politics has worked beautifully for them. They've been patient and consistent, and now all they have to do is bide their time and demographics are going to give them the transformation & payback they want. And there is no one on this board who is more virulently anti-PC and anti-Identity Politics than me. So we agree there.

I've been asked exactly what I would do. I really don't know. I can tell you that ignoring the upcoming demographic shift is just rolling over. I'd think the first thing that has to happen is that any obvious racism from the Right must be called out loudly and clearly by the Right. Not just ignored, but attacked.

I don't know. The GOP has slept on this, and now it's probably too late.
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I disagree with you, Mac. I think that the left has been counting on locking up the Hispanic vote the same way they locked up the black vote for decades by accusing the opposition of "racism". The question becomes this...is the Hispanic community going to fall for being promised things that never get delivered on in return for their votes or are they going to learn from what happened to the black community? It's a choice between having the opportunity to live the "American Dream" or be caught in a never ending cycle of dependency. I think the jury is still out on what they decide. I hope for their own sake's that they say no thank you to what the Democrats are offering them.

I don't disagree. Hispanics are ripe for the picking. Hard working, devout, good people. But the GOP is not going to get them with a come-hither look. It's not going to get them with a stronger economy or a roaring stock market. That's what I've been saying all along here. You have to go after them with the same energy the Dems did. But the GOP refuses to do so.

Here's what cracks me up: Trump actually pleasantly surprised me back during the campaign. He actually TRIED when he asked minorities "what have you go to lose?" Holy shit, I thought, maybe he's actually going to reach out. Maybe this will wake the GOP up. Nope. That was it.

You have to reach out. You have to be clear and obvious. Until then, nada.
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What do you think the follow up to that should have been?

I keep saying it: Reach out. Make it obvious. Attack racism in your party. Admit mistakes. Communicate.

To me, this is screamingly obvious. Communicate. Communicate. Communicate.
.

We've done that. All it does in support the vile lefty lying narrative that the GOP is the party of racism.


It failed.

Gee.....I wonder why?


Libs are successful because they offer inclusion.
Cons offer exclusion at ever opportunity.

 

[Correll]

I disagree with you, Mac. I think that the left has been counting on locking up the Hispanic vote the same way they locked up the black vote for decades by accusing the opposition of "racism". The question becomes this...is the Hispanic community going to fall for being promised things that never get delivered on in return for their votes or are they going to learn from what happened to the black community? It's a choice between having the opportunity to live the "American Dream" or be caught in a never ending cycle of dependency. I think the jury is still out on what they decide. I hope for their own sake's that they say no thank you to what the Democrats are offering them.

I don't disagree. Hispanics are ripe for the picking. Hard working, devout, good people. But the GOP is not going to get them with a come-hither look. It's not going to get them with a stronger economy or a roaring stock market. That's what I've been saying all along here. You have to go after them with the same energy the Dems did. But the GOP refuses to do so.

Here's what cracks me up: Trump actually pleasantly surprised me back during the campaign. He actually TRIED when he asked minorities "what have you go to lose?" Holy shit, I thought, maybe he's actually going to reach out. Maybe this will wake the GOP up. Nope. That was it.

You have to reach out. You have to be clear and obvious. Until then, nada.
.

What do you think the follow up to that should have been?

I keep saying it: Reach out. Make it obvious. Attack racism in your party. Admit mistakes. Communicate.

To me, this is screamingly obvious. Communicate. Communicate. Communicate.
.

We've done that. All it does in support the vile lefty lying narrative that the GOP is the party of racism.


It failed.

Gee.....I wonder why?


Libs are successful because they offer inclusion.
Cons offer exclusion at ever opportunity.

Would you care to give your best example of the GOP offering "exclusion"?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Please see post 98.
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1. Not addressing a specific concern you have, is not rejecting you.


2. We've done nothing to make minorities feel like outcasts. We've been pushing for civil rights and diversity and all that for generations. NIXON is the one that desegregated most of the Southern schools, for Christ's sake.

The history of either party is irrelevant when it comes to civil rights because both parties have changed positions over the years. Reagan gave amnesty to illegals in the 80’s, too, but that would never happen today.

Term limits never made much sense to me. They're a bandaid at best. At worst, a hinderance. Think about. If our system was otherwise working correctly, and we have a rep we like, we should be able to keep them in office.

That is the real issue.

Different regions vote in people they like. It is the other assholes from other regions that they want to go home.

This "union" is no longer working.

People in California and the Northeast U.S. hate free-market capitalism and want a European-style soft-tyranny socialist state.

We keep going back and forth because too many people believe the socialist bullshit.

We need to break up the union and start over. Let the commies do their goose-stepping, freedom hating in their own nation.

^ What a loser.

I bet you were the kid who always flipped the game board over and stormed away when you realized you weren't going to win.


Change requires effort. It takes hard work, perseverence and time. It also requires a healthy dose of flexibility. Something the right has never understood. It's always anger and fear. It's civil war, killing or otherwise blowing it all up with them. If you're tired of being bested, then better yourself.

Interesting take on things, Hutch! So when Obama won...did the right take to the streets wearing black uniforms with their faces covered to destroy property and shut down cities? That just happened with the left when Trump won. So who's REALLY the purveyors of anger and fear these days? Which party is the "flexible" one these days?

Great example of my point. Thank you.

More fear mongering. Try addressing my point. When has the right mobilized for change in any real way? The tea party movement tried but was never a unified front and fizzled out.

If we can revitalize the middle class, that will be a pleasant change, that we did.

That would be a great thing but it's a big "if", especially the way it's being tried.

 

[BlackSand]

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
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There is another way Mac ... And conservatives found it way back before President Reagan.
It's called ... "Quit looking towards Washington DC for anything worthwhile, because the best they can do is screw you".

Instead of worrying about binary bullshit ... Isn't it about time you sorry sons of bitches get your heads out of your asses ...
And start doing something a little more productive ...

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

I think without term limits for all in government, it is a tough climb.

And of course, the people who could make that happen are the people who want it the least.

Term limits never made much sense to me. They're a bandaid at best. At worst, a hinderance. Think about. If our system was otherwise working correctly, and we have a rep we like, we should be able to keep them in office.

I agree. We'd be stuck with a Congress full of novices who are continually on a learning curve.

True.

We currently have that in the WH and it’s proven to be a dismal failure.

 

[Mac1958]

Life isn't either/or, one or the other, binary. Maybe there's another way.
.

There is another way Mac ... And conservatives found it way back before President Reagan.
It's called ... "Quit looking towards Washington DC for anything worthwhile, because the best they can do is screw you".

Instead of worrying about binary bullshit ... Isn't it about time you sorry sons of bitches get your heads out of your asses ...
And start doing something a little more productive ...

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Their priorities are, in order:

1. Re-election
2. Fundraising
3. Polls
4. Plum committee leadership
5. Plum committee membership
6. Finding a TeeVee camera
   
7. Working in the best interests of their constituents and country, if time allows

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[Correll]

1. Not addressing a specific concern you have, is not rejecting you.


2. We've done nothing to make minorities feel like outcasts. We've been pushing for civil rights and diversity and all that for generations. NIXON is the one that desegregated most of the Southern schools, for Christ's sake.

The history of either party is irrelevant when it comes to civil rights because both parties have changed positions over the years. Reagan gave amnesty to illegals in the 80’s, too, but that would never happen today.

That is the real issue.

Different regions vote in people they like. It is the other assholes from other regions that they want to go home.

This "union" is no longer working.

People in California and the Northeast U.S. hate free-market capitalism and want a European-style soft-tyranny socialist state.

We keep going back and forth because too many people believe the socialist bullshit.

We need to break up the union and start over. Let the commies do their goose-stepping, freedom hating in their own nation.

^ What a loser.

I bet you were the kid who always flipped the game board over and stormed away when you realized you weren't going to win.


Change requires effort. It takes hard work, perseverence and time. It also requires a healthy dose of flexibility. Something the right has never understood. It's always anger and fear. It's civil war, killing or otherwise blowing it all up with them. If you're tired of being bested, then better yourself.

Interesting take on things, Hutch! So when Obama won...did the right take to the streets wearing black uniforms with their faces covered to destroy property and shut down cities? That just happened with the left when Trump won. So who's REALLY the purveyors of anger and fear these days? Which party is the "flexible" one these days?

Great example of my point. Thank you.

More fear mongering. Try addressing my point. When has the right mobilized for change in any real way? The tea party movement tried but was never a unified front and fizzled out.

If we can revitalize the middle class, that will be a pleasant change, that we did.

That would be a great thing but it's a big "if", especially the way it's being tried.

You asked for an example of us mobilizing for change.


I gave you one that is happening right now.


Regardless of whether we succeed, we have "mobilized for change" and that meet your demand.

 

[Correll]

I think without term limits for all in government, it is a tough climb.

And of course, the people who could make that happen are the people who want it the least.

Term limits never made much sense to me. They're a bandaid at best. At worst, a hinderance. Think about. If our system was otherwise working correctly, and we have a rep we like, we should be able to keep them in office.

I agree. We'd be stuck with a Congress full of novices who are continually on a learning curve.

True.

We currently have that in the WH and it’s proven to be a dismal failure.

Why? You hate a good economy that much?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I don't disagree. Hispanics are ripe for the picking. Hard working, devout, good people. But the GOP is not going to get them with a come-hither look. It's not going to get them with a stronger economy or a roaring stock market. That's what I've been saying all along here. You have to go after them with the same energy the Dems did. But the GOP refuses to do so.

Here's what cracks me up: Trump actually pleasantly surprised me back during the campaign. He actually TRIED when he asked minorities "what have you go to lose?" Holy shit, I thought, maybe he's actually going to reach out. Maybe this will wake the GOP up. Nope. That was it.

You have to reach out. You have to be clear and obvious. Until then, nada.
.

What do you think the follow up to that should have been?

I keep saying it: Reach out. Make it obvious. Attack racism in your party. Admit mistakes. Communicate.

To me, this is screamingly obvious. Communicate. Communicate. Communicate.
.

We've done that. All it does in support the vile lefty lying narrative that the GOP is the party of racism.


It failed.

Gee.....I wonder why?


Libs are successful because they offer inclusion.
Cons offer exclusion at ever opportunity.

Would you care to give your best example of the GOP offering "exclusion"?

Really?
If you have to ask that question then you'll never get it.

 

[Correll]

What do you think the follow up to that should have been?

I keep saying it: Reach out. Make it obvious. Attack racism in your party. Admit mistakes. Communicate.

To me, this is screamingly obvious. Communicate. Communicate. Communicate.
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We've done that. All it does in support the vile lefty lying narrative that the GOP is the party of racism.


It failed.

Gee.....I wonder why?


Libs are successful because they offer inclusion.
Cons offer exclusion at ever opportunity.

Would you care to give your best example of the GOP offering "exclusion"?

Really?
If you have to ask that question then you'll never get it.

The GOP would LOVE to get some support from minority voters that agree with us on the issues.


We've tried.


That's an attempt at INCLUSION.


Do you want me to back that up? I'll be happy to.


I challenge you to give me your best example of the GOP being "exclusion".

 

[Hutch Starskey]

I know that's the philosophy - "this can ONLY be done NOW, right NOW" - but the Left could have said the same thing back in the 80's. Instead, they remained consistent and patient and ingrained their message into our very CULTURE.

If there's one thing the GOP can do - and frankly, I think it's too late at this point - it is to stop ignoring (and even mocking) the massive upcoming demographic shift and embrace it.

I know, the GOP doesn't want to play the Identity Politics game, and I sure as hell can't blame you. But if you don't come up with a way to attract minorities, then just punt. And as I mentioned in the OP, this ain't about the unemployment rate or the stock market. This is much DEEPER than that. This is PERSONAL. The GOP has to figure THAT out, TOO.
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I don't see why you cite the 80s as an example of the Left not responding the same way.


They were not facing the same situation, at all.




The only possible way I can see breaking the Left's lock on minority voters, is by bringing jobs back at such a rate that middle class whites and minorities note the improvement in their lives, and both shift dramatically to the RIght.


This is unlikely to work, but it is the only possible chance.


We could try to beat the democrats at their own games of handing out money and racial demagoguery, but we will fail and do terrible harm to the nation in the process.

That's mistake #2 I mention above, assuming that your top priorities (economy, jobs) are their top priorities.

I'm telling you, it isn't. And they know that you don't know that, and that only makes things even worse.
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I'm NOT assuming that. We just don't have any better tools to work with.


We can't outshout them to get our message across, the left owns the media and pop culture.


Hell, they are starting to censor the internet.


We can't out bribe them. The government is broke and we know it. We can't compete with the Left when it comes to spending money we don't have. We just can't.


If we try to out pander them by offering to discriminate more against whites, we A. will still fail to win minority votes and will B. lose white votes, and C. immediately marginalize the majority of the nation from the political process.

You're simply lazy.

Look at the march in DC yesterday. Hundreds of thousands of people. That is how change starts.

You have children out playing you.

"Marches" have been assimilated into the system. They are part of the status quo and nothing new.


The children are saying NOTHING new. THey are not new ideas. Just useful spokesmen.

"Marches" have been assimilated into the system. They are part of the status quo and nothing new.

Nothing new but very effective. It's the formula that has brought about every significant change over my lifetime.

You all like to laugh and belittle them and then are supprised and cry when the change happens.