Could all Religions Come Together?

[irosie91]

Wrong. Jesus said that he came to bring a sword. In Jeremiah 25:15 the sword is identified as a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, those who drink it "vomit and go mad".

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations," rev. 19:15, "the nations' represent the roman empire.

"He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." Still works like a charm! Bottoms up!

Did the animal sacrifices feed the priests and Levites before or after the temple was knocked down? Did theses elites feed on these sacrifices to the exclusion of others?

What are some of the repairs that the temple needs? Can you show us in a picture?

the animal sacrifices fed the priests and levites
BEFORE the Temple was knocked down. Most
of the sacrifices were pigeons which were rendered
inedible by the procedure. Your concept of the
magnitude of the sacrifices is way overblown.
If you do not know WHY the levites and priests
were fed on the sacrifices----then you did not read
the bible-----are you Catholic? You may have
read the Odyssey---the greeks and romans
sacrificed HERDS of animal---in a kind of POTLATCH. The Jews could not SELL the
meat of the sacrifices-----the romans and greeks did

 

[The Irish Ram]

that ^^^^ belief is nothing more nor less than KISSING ROMAN ASS

A very rude thing to say to Christians about their beliefs and inaccurate. Kissing Roman ass would have been to stay Jewish, stay under Rome's control, and shut up. They already had that.
They HATED Christians and persecuted, tortured and murdered them for hundreds of years. Millions of them, just by ROME alone...

 

[irosie91]

But that’s assuming the gospels are true, and not written with a slant that goes against the Jews. IOW, the gospels are not a reliable source when you are debating this with a Jew.

be not deceived, Lisa. The statement that opposition by JESUS against the jews is all over
the NT is just a jelly bean fantasy of an illiterate

 

[norwegen]

the animal sacrifices fed the priests and levites
BEFORE the Temple was knocked down. Most
of the sacrifices were pigeons which were rendered
inedible by the procedure.

That's fine and dandy, but irrelevant. The law was rendered obsolete AFTER the temple was knocked down.

 

[norwegen]

be not deceived, Lisa. The statement that opposition by JESUS against the jews is all over
the NT is just a jelly bean fantasy of an illiterate

Shall I post some relevant passages?

Oh wait, have you found some passages that say Jesus opposed Rome yet?

 

[irosie91]

A very rude thing to say to Christians about their beliefs and inaccurate. Kissing Roman ass would have been to stay Jewish, stay under Romes control, and shut up. They already had that.
They HATED Christians and persecuted, tortured and murdered them for hundreds of years. Millions of them, just by ROME...

There were not millions of christians to persecute
during the VERY SHORT time that rome persecuted
them. You are pulling the victim card handed you
by a catechism "thing" Rome killed lots more
jews than christians----and killed christians as if
they were jews for a very SHORT period of time.
The HOLEY MOLEY Roman empire killed jews for
thousands of years based on CANON LAW.
The EMPEROR OF ROME was a christian---
remember---SAINT CONSTANTINE THE
MURDERING DOG? A pop quiz---who do you
imagine invented the idea of yellow insignia
for jews? -------Do you know what the REICH in
"THE THIRD REICH" means?

 

[emilynghiem]

You beat me to it.

Dear Lisa558 and irosie91
I understand Jesus as God's Universal Spirit or Authority of Justice
fulfills both the laws of the Jews under Torah/Scripture
as the laws of the secular gentiles under Natural Laws (including
Greek Ethics, Buddhist principles that are impersonal, even
Constitutional laws of equal justice, due process and protections of persons
in the democratic process of governance).

These are not to void or nullify the other.

God calls us and we are judged by our words, held to account by
our own judgments.

You will see Atheists and Scientists held to answer using their own system to correct conflicts.

You will see Christians rebuke each other using common Scriptures and faith that
Christ governs our relations so neighbors can receive rebuke corrections and healing
(by Matthew 18:15-20 James 5:15 Matthew 5:44 and Matthew 6:14-15 etc)

Paul's key role is addressing more of the Gentiles.

Thomas Jefferson also addressed the Bible/Jesus with a focus on NATURAL LAWS.

the natural laws do not negate or substitute for spiritual laws
given to the Jews as Elders, where Jews Christians and Muslims
are all following this lineage and authority of law given through Scripture.

Jesus as representing the Embodiment of Justice FULFILLS all laws,
coming not to abolish but to fulfill,
not to condemn the world but to save.

True Justice bring peace.

False justice or abuse of authority brings war.

So if you me and others are fighting on here,
that is Antichrist and False Prophecy at work.

Where we agree to points of Truth Justice and Peace
we are freed from the negative conflicts and can
enforce Truth we all agree is solid, universal, not conflicted.

Let's seek God's Truth and agree to put aside anything false
of man that is getting in the way otherwise. All arguments
can be resolved by the pure truth, which is how we can tell it from
manmade biases on relative or local truths.

 

[irosie91]

That's fine and dandy, but irrelevant. The law was rendered obsolete AFTER the temple was knocked down.

did you attend catholic school or were you
a member of hitler's youth?. I am still a
Levite.

 

[hobelim]

Oh wait, have you found some passages that say Jesus opposed Rome yet?

Jesus said that he came to bring a sword. In Jeremiah 25:15 the sword is identified as a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, those who drink it "vomit and go mad".

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations," rev. 19:15, "the nations' represent the roman empire.

Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is my blood, the blood of the covenant."

Just art thou, in these thy judgements, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink"

"He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." Still works like a charm! Bottoms up!

 

[The Irish Ram]

Wrong. Jesus said that he came to bring a sword. In Jeremiah 25:15 the sword is identified as a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine, those who drink it "vomit and go mad".

"From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to smite the nations," rev. 19:15, "the nations' represent the roman empire.

Take this cup of wine and drink it, all of you. This is my blood, the blood of the covenant."

Just art thou, in these thy judgements, thou Holy One who art and wast; for they shed the blood of thy people and of thy prophets and thou hast given them blood to drink"

"He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." Still works like a charm! Bottoms up!

The nations in Rev. refer to the Nations, not an Empire. It is end time prophesy. You see metaphor where it isn't and miss it when it is.
Do you see Christ with a metal sword in His mouth going around smiting Russia and China and the US? He is going to subdue with the truth. <that is His sword. This however is literal> He is going to judge the Nations according to the way they treated Israel and His chosen people. That is Roman Empire, The British Empire, the United States Empire. All nations.

And none of that relates to living and dying violently by the sword. < completely different message.

 

[norwegen]

did you attend catholic school or were you
a member of hitler's youth?. I am still a
Levite.

Sold any pigeons lately?

 

[The Irish Ram]

But that’s assuming the gospels are true, and not written with a slant that goes against the Jews. IOW, the gospels are not a reliable source when you are debating this with a Jew.

Then the OT should be a viable source when debating a Jew. But doing so is equally as offensive to some as the New Testament is.

 

[emilynghiem]

There were not millions of christians to persecute
during the VERY SHORT time that rome persecuted
them. You are pulling the victim card handed you
by a catechism "thing" Rome killed lots more
jews than christians----and killed christians as if
they were jews for a very SHORT period of time.
The HOLEY MOLEY Roman empire killed jews for
thousands of years based on CANON LAW.
The EMPEROR OF ROME was a christian---
remember---SAINT CONSTANTINE THE
MURDERING DOG? A pop quiz---who do you
imagine invented the idea of yellow insignia
for jews? -------Do you know what the REICH in
"THE THIRD REICH" means?

Dear irosie91
The secular political campaigns of people like Mao and Stalin
killed 45-60 million people each.

Can we agree that the worst cause of genocide is not the religion per se,
but the collective greed for power behind either abuse of religious or of political authority?

If we were to unite and go after the worst offenders:
Chinese oppression, abuse and destructive is worse by sheer volume of people affected alone

The solution will come from uniting Jews Christians and Muslims
not infighting among these to blame one tribe more than another.

The list of all religious wars shows that all these deaths combined
are still fewer than the millions killed by
govt oppression for political control.

What is the term for "Antichrist" in the Judaic tradition?

And what is your understanding of how God's Justice will return and
be established among humanity to bring the Kingdom of God and heavenly peace?

 

[irosie91]

Dear Lisa558 and irosie91
I understand Jesus as God's Universal Spirit or Authority of Justice
fulfills both the laws of the Jews under Torah/Scripture
as the laws of the secular gentiles under Natural Laws (including
Greek Ethics, Buddhist principles that are impersonal, even
Constitutional laws of equal justice, due process and protections of persons
in the democratic process of governance).

These are not to void or nullify the other.

God calls us and we are judged by our words, held to account by
our own judgments.

You will see Atheists and Scientists held to answer using their own system to correct conflicts.

You will see Christians rebuke each other using common Scriptures and faith that
Christ governs our relations so neighbors can receive rebuke corrections and healing
(by Matthew 18:15-20 James 5:15 Matthew 5:44 and Matthew 6:14-15 etc)

Paul's key role is addressing more of the Gentiles.

Thomas Jefferson also addressed the Bible/Jesus with a focus on NATURAL LAWS.

the natural laws do not negate or substitute for spiritual laws
given to the Jews as Elders, where Jews Christians and Muslims
are all following this lineage and authority of law given through Scripture.

Jesus as representing the Embodiment of Justice FULFILLS all laws,
coming not to abolish but to fulfill,
not to condemn the world but to save.

True Justice bring peace.

False justice or abuse of authority brings war.

So if you me and others are fighting on here,
that is Antichrist and False Prophecy at work.

Where we agree to points of Truth Justice and Peace
we are freed from the negative conflicts and can
enforce Truth we all agree is solid, universal, not conflicted.

Let's seek God's Truth and agree to put aside anything false
of man that is getting in the way otherwise. All arguments
can be resolved by the pure truth, which is how we can tell it from
manmade biases on relative or local truths.

I understand Jesus as one of many jews who
have lived during times of crisis and was
lauded by some as a savior. In fact the
phenomenon is not unique to jews, lots of
people saw LENIN as a savior. Then there was
JIM JONES

 

[emilynghiem]

emily, as mentioned before - your posts - like reading a novel w/ several naps between ...


the true religions are spoken, people drop off when those quotes are added ...

the spoken religion of antiquity, 6 words in length - the triumph of good vs evil - originates from the choice made by a&e for their spiritual determination, granted from above and with heavenly judgement to attain remission to paradise, the everlasting. for whomsoever might attempt the endeavor or simply perish. earth is our stepping stone. the evil need not apply.

how do you describe the process by which people receive this reconciliation and atonement?

 

[hobelim]

He is going to judge the Nations according to the way they treated Israel and His chosen people.

Well then, I guess you are screwed either way.

"Poor little Jewish girl. With a trail of Christians hounding you, and now Muslims following you around daily hating on you and Jews hating you too. I don't think I'm the problem. You just aren't very likable, and love playing the eternal victim." Could all Religions Come Together?

 

[irosie91]

Then the OT should be a viable source when debating a Jew. But doing so is equally as offensive to some as the New Testament...

The OT was written in Hebrew, not in Greek and
not in English. You have as much chance with
the OT as you have with the Bhagavad Gita. To
understand a religion, one has to, at least, know its
LAWS. It's poetic epics is not the way to go.
Rama's flying monkey army is a poetic device

 

[Lisa558]

True or not, would you say your source is reliable?

No more or less reliable than what the gospels say.

BTW, what blame did the gospel writers want to shift to the Jews?

Jesus’ murder.

 

[The Irish Ram]

There were not millions of christians to persecute
during the VERY SHORT time that rome persecuted
them. You are pulling the victim card handed you
by a catechism "thing" Rome killed lots more
jews than christians----and killed christians as if
they were jews for a very SHORT period of time.
The HOLEY MOLEY Roman empire killed jews for
thousands of years based on CANON LAW.
The EMPEROR OF ROME was a christian---
remember---SAINT CONSTANTINE THE
MURDERING DOG? A pop quiz---who do you
imagine invented the idea of yellow insignia
for jews? -------Do you know what the REICH in
"THE THIRD REICH" means?

By the year 325, there were an estimated 7 million Christians. They slaughtered about 2 million of them. Christians are still being murdered at a rate of over 100,000. a year.

 

[Lisa558]

be not deceived, Lisa. The statement that opposition by JESUS against the jews is all over
the NT is just a jelly bean fantasy of an illiterate

I know. It was all part of the gospel writers’ efforts to turn sentIment against the Jews. And we’ve been paying the price ever since.