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In Maryland where I live masks are supposedly not mandated anymore, but a lot of stores won't let you in without them. Stores are the authoritarian enforcers now --- I really resent this. Talk about bad customer service, this is fearing and hating their customers!
The better we become at treating it, the better off we will be. I doubt it just goes away any time soon, but who knows. A lot of those places that were held up as great to make the US (and Trump) look bad last year are still getting pounded this year. Japan is getting hammered right now. Anyway, masks for the vaccinated are no longer mandatory here in VA as of this coming Friday, but I see a lot of people already removing them
I buy pretty much everything online now, and rarely leave the farm.
I think you are really saying that you doubt it will stop on its own (but many, even most, epidemics did stop on their own, sometimes forever, such as the lethal English Sweat, started in 1485 with the Battle of Bosworth Field that put Henry Tudor, Henry VII, on the throne. It was the mercenary soldiers in Henry's army transmitting it, of course. They came from all over.). The fact that it's ricocheting around the world is NOT a good sign, I agree --- I am also worried about that. Japan, India, etc. And that it may surge just because the masks are coming off ---- sure, could happen.
I have hopes for August, because August is often the end of pandemics (Why? Who knows?). But I agree with you ----- anything could happen, including another surge. Including mutations with an independent epidemic. I hope not.
Yes minority resistance is among minorities who do in fact have good reason to not trust the system. But that too goes back to politics. But it is Republicans who are at least as resistant to getting vaxed, and that is largly a result of the misinformation and outright lies that they have been fed and are stupid enought to believe. It's ironic that the same people who are bitching about reopening the ecconomy are the same ones who refuse to take common sense measures to stop the spread.You’re right it has become politicized and that is a tragedy, however some of stiffest resistance to vaccination is found among minorities, which has little or nothing to do with politics, they in large part DON’T TRUST THE SYSTEM, I wonder why that is?Bullshit! It's about public health. It's about saving lives. The fact that this has beconme so politicized is a fucking tragedy, people have died needlessly and Trump is largly to blame. You have some fucking nerve talking about common sense. And what the fuck does the vaccine have to do with the constitution?It's all about control and social manipulation. It a matter of conditioning Americans to obey liberal politicians without regard to common sense or the Constitution.
Where are you seeing that information and are the rates of re-infection for fully vaccinated individuals statistically significant (I.e. are they above the rates predicted in the initial studies for each vaccine?). None of these vaccines claim 100% immunity (no vaccine that I know of is), so re-infection in some portion of the vaccinated is expected.Read the recently published rate of re-infection. It is continually growing.That’s how most (all?) vaccines work, a weakened version of the pathogen designed to illicit an immune response and memory cells responsible for the production of T-Cells against the disease.That’s a GREAT question and one that I’ve wondered about myself, we’ve recently allowed fully vaccinated individuals to stop wearing masks while at work (if they choose) but still require those that have had COVID (no matter how recently) to continue wearing them, which doesn’t make sense to me (other than perhaps the CDC guidelines don’t specifically address those people).Why are they promoting it to those who have natural immunity because they had it before and have the antibodies?They are promoting it because it works to control the virus and that is their goal. There is no conspiracy or ulterior motive. They are promoting it for public health and for no other reason.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
It seems like they feel that immunity through infection may be less complete and reliable than immunity through vaccination. Can't really be sure, since - for a variety of "don't upset the narrative" reasons - they don't want to come right out and explain.
They also fail to mention that a vaccine consists of injecting a form of the disease into your body. This is supposed to create some immunity. If you already have some immunity, why?
From what I understand the technology used in the some of the COVID vaccines is a new method involving messenger RNA to achieve the same results.
I haven’t seen anything to be alarmed about regarding these vaccines and the results so far indicate they’re all safe (including the J&J shot since the blood clot issue was with a very small number of patients and has been cleared as a statistical anomaly).
Maybe you have some information that I’m not aware of that causes you to be concerned?
So? Are they truly needed or just doing what the government tells them to do?In Maryland where I live masks are supposedly not mandated anymore, but a lot of stores won't let you in without them. Stores are the authoritarian enforcers now --- I really resent this. Talk about bad customer service, this is fearing and hating their customers!
The better we become at treating it, the better off we will be. I doubt it just goes away any time soon, but who knows. A lot of those places that were held up as great to make the US (and Trump) look bad last year are still getting pounded this year. Japan is getting hammered right now. Anyway, masks for the vaccinated are no longer mandatory here in VA as of this coming Friday, but I see a lot of people already removing them
I buy pretty much everything online now, and rarely leave the farm.
I think you are really saying that you doubt it will stop on its own (but many, even most, epidemics did stop on their own, sometimes forever, such as the lethal English Sweat, started in 1485 with the Battle of Bosworth Field that put Henry Tudor, Henry VII, on the throne. It was the mercenary soldiers in Henry's army transmitting it, of course. They came from all over.). The fact that it's ricocheting around the world is NOT a good sign, I agree --- I am also worried about that. Japan, India, etc. And that it may surge just because the masks are coming off ---- sure, could happen.
I have hopes for August, because August is often the end of pandemics (Why? Who knows?). But I agree with you ----- anything could happen, including another surge. Including mutations with an independent epidemic. I hope not.
If a store makes you wear a mask you should loudly leave.
There is no reason someone who was vaccinated should wear a mask other than politics, and businesses you patronize don't need to be in your politics.
I have a lot of family in Maryland. They say there's a lot of social pressure to wear masks, but no one is forcing them now. I realize it's not the same everywhere in MarylandThe federal military commissary was one of the 1st grocery stores I went to last year requiring masks. They still require them.
Yes minority resistance is among minorities who do in fact have good reason to not trust the system. But that too goes back to politics. But it is Republicans who are at least as resistant to getting vaxed, and that is largly a result of the misinformation and outright lies that they have been fed and are stupid enought to believe. It's ironic that the same people who are bitching about reopening the ecconomy are the same ones who refuse to take common sense measures to stop the spread.You’re right it has become politicized and that is a tragedy, however some of stiffest resistance to vaccination is found among minorities, which has little or nothing to do with politics, they in large part DON’T TRUST THE SYSTEM, I wonder why that is?Bullshit! It's about public health. It's about saving lives. The fact that this has beconme so politicized is a fucking tragedy, people have died needlessly and Trump is largly to blame. You have some fucking nerve talking about common sense. And what the fuck does the vaccine have to do with the constitution?It's all about control and social manipulation. It a matter of conditioning Americans to obey liberal politicians without regard to common sense or the Constitution.
Good point, it does seem that science is still a bit murky on the level and duration of immunity conferred by actually having had the disease. I think Circe also hit the nail on the head with respect to why it's not be treated like "fully vaccinated", we have no way of demonstrating who has had it and when they had it, seems like they should have given people who tested positive documentation of their results.That’s a GREAT question and one that I’ve wondered about myself, we’ve recently allowed fully vaccinated individuals to stop wearing masks while at work (if they choose) but still require those that have had COVID (no matter how recently) to continue wearing them, which doesn’t make sense to me (other than perhaps the CDC guidelines don’t specifically address those people).Why are they promoting it to those who have natural immunity because they had it before and have the antibodies?They are promoting it because it works to control the virus and that is their goal. There is no conspiracy or ulterior motive. They are promoting it for public health and for no other reason.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
It seems like they feel that immunity through infection may be less complete and reliable than immunity through vaccination. Can't really be sure, since - for a variety of "don't upset the narrative" reasons - they don't want to come right out and explain.
Hopefully the CDC will get this figured out and clarified soon since I believe it will help significantly toward getting things back to some sense of normalcy.
Then you get to go in whatever bathroom you want AND get free trips to the salad bar.What if an individual identifies as a vaccinated person?
Telling the truth? The government will never do that.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
There is press to jab because the government has a use them or lose them position so unless a state uses theirs up, they will get less. Plus with the demasking and full re-openings going on there is fear there will be another surge.
Anyway, I don't care if people get the shot or not. My barber has an honor system where people with both shots don't have to wear a mask, but people without them do. She doesn't wear one as she had both shots.
So you are saying that it is driven by money and control of the people.
Isn't everything these days?
Not what they are claiming, however.
Well, no, you can't come out and TELL people you're just interested in money and control over people's lives.
The propagandists on TV tell us to do the opposite.Yes minority resistance is among minorities who do in fact have good reason to not trust the system. But that too goes back to politics. But it is Republicans who are at least as resistant to getting vaxed, and that is largly a result of the misinformation and outright lies that they have been fed and are stupid enought to believe. It's ironic that the same people who are bitching about reopening the ecconomy are the same ones who refuse to take common sense measures to stop the spread.You’re right it has become politicized and that is a tragedy, however some of stiffest resistance to vaccination is found among minorities, which has little or nothing to do with politics, they in large part DON’T TRUST THE SYSTEM, I wonder why that is?Bullshit! It's about public health. It's about saving lives. The fact that this has beconme so politicized is a fucking tragedy, people have died needlessly and Trump is largly to blame. You have some fucking nerve talking about common sense. And what the fuck does the vaccine have to do with the constitution?It's all about control and social manipulation. It a matter of conditioning Americans to obey liberal politicians without regard to common sense or the Constitution.
IMHO it’s not the CDC that’s been at fault, it’s a certain DR. BUREAUCRAT that has been all over the map, contradicting himself, making questionable pronouncements and generally confusing the hell out of everybody while trying his hardest to keep himself in the spotlight.Good point, it does seem that science is still a bit murky on the level and duration of immunity conferred by actually having had the disease. I think Circe also hit the nail on the head with respect to why it's not be treated like "fully vaccinated", we have no way of demonstrating who has had it and when they had it, seems like they should have given people who tested positive documentation of their results.That’s a GREAT question and one that I’ve wondered about myself, we’ve recently allowed fully vaccinated individuals to stop wearing masks while at work (if they choose) but still require those that have had COVID (no matter how recently) to continue wearing them, which doesn’t make sense to me (other than perhaps the CDC guidelines don’t specifically address those people).Why are they promoting it to those who have natural immunity because they had it before and have the antibodies?They are promoting it because it works to control the virus and that is their goal. There is no conspiracy or ulterior motive. They are promoting it for public health and for no other reason.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
It seems like they feel that immunity through infection may be less complete and reliable than immunity through vaccination. Can't really be sure, since - for a variety of "don't upset the narrative" reasons - they don't want to come right out and explain.
Hopefully the CDC will get this figured out and clarified soon since I believe it will help significantly toward getting things back to some sense of normalcy.
The CDC has been about as useful as teats on a boar during this entire farrago, so I'm not pinning my hopes of normalcy on that bunch of chuckleheads.
Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
www.worldometers.info
In Maryland where I live masks are supposedly not mandated anymore, but a lot of stores won't let you in without them. Stores are the authoritarian enforcers now --- I really resent this. Talk about bad customer service, this is fearing and hating their customers!
The better we become at treating it, the better off we will be. I doubt it just goes away any time soon, but who knows. A lot of those places that were held up as great to make the US (and Trump) look bad last year are still getting pounded this year. Japan is getting hammered right now. Anyway, masks for the vaccinated are no longer mandatory here in VA as of this coming Friday, but I see a lot of people already removing them
I buy pretty much everything online now, and rarely leave the farm.
I think you are really saying that you doubt it will stop on its own (but many, even most, epidemics did stop on their own, sometimes forever, such as the lethal English Sweat, started in 1485 with the Battle of Bosworth Field that put Henry Tudor, Henry VII, on the throne. It was the mercenary soldiers in Henry's army transmitting it, of course. They came from all over.). The fact that it's ricocheting around the world is NOT a good sign, I agree --- I am also worried about that. Japan, India, etc. And that it may surge just because the masks are coming off ---- sure, could happen.
I have hopes for August, because August is often the end of pandemics (Why? Who knows?). But I agree with you ----- anything could happen, including another surge. Including mutations with an independent epidemic. I hope not.
I don't know how many really stopped on their own given landscapes in europe are scattered with plague stones, whole towns/villages were quarantined, etc.
Anyway, whatever happens will happen. I tried to bunker down last year but eventually relented. I don't do a lot of online ordering because I am not sure that it is that economical or environmental.
Invective isn’t a valid substitute for an actual argument, come back when you have something to say that’s worth reading, preferably after you’ve gotten a grip on your current temper tantrum.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
Another selfish prig.
Hospital workers, nurses, doctors hate people like you.
They have been stretched beyond their limits of exhaustion and lost their own lives because of attitudes like yours.
ANd yes, you fucking idiot, the vaccine is working unless you've had your head up your ass the last 5 months.
Cases are way down from last winter after the vaccine was released.
Only 471 deaths today compared to the 3-4000 daily deaths last winter.
United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Where are you seeing that information and are the rates of re-infection for fully vaccinated individuals statistically significant (I.e. are they above the rates predicted in the initial studies for each vaccine?). None of these vaccines claim 100% immunity (no vaccine that I know of is), so re-infection in some portion of the vaccinated is expected.Read the recently published rate of re-infection. It is continually growing.That’s how most (all?) vaccines work, a weakened version of the pathogen designed to illicit an immune response and memory cells responsible for the production of T-Cells against the disease.That’s a GREAT question and one that I’ve wondered about myself, we’ve recently allowed fully vaccinated individuals to stop wearing masks while at work (if they choose) but still require those that have had COVID (no matter how recently) to continue wearing them, which doesn’t make sense to me (other than perhaps the CDC guidelines don’t specifically address those people).Why are they promoting it to those who have natural immunity because they had it before and have the antibodies?They are promoting it because it works to control the virus and that is their goal. There is no conspiracy or ulterior motive. They are promoting it for public health and for no other reason.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
It seems like they feel that immunity through infection may be less complete and reliable than immunity through vaccination. Can't really be sure, since - for a variety of "don't upset the narrative" reasons - they don't want to come right out and explain.
They also fail to mention that a vaccine consists of injecting a form of the disease into your body. This is supposed to create some immunity. If you already have some immunity, why?
From what I understand the technology used in the some of the COVID vaccines is a new method involving messenger RNA to achieve the same results.
I haven’t seen anything to be alarmed about regarding these vaccines and the results so far indicate they’re all safe (including the J&J shot since the blood clot issue was with a very small number of patients and has been cleared as a statistical anomaly).
Maybe you have some information that I’m not aware of that causes you to be concerned?
However since the vaccination distribution and administration “program” has begun we’ve seen a DRAMATIC reduction in both new cases and positivity rates, I realize correlation doesn’t imply causation but the numbers are too large to be explained simply by chance (or weather).
So? Are they truly needed or just doing what the government tells them to do?In Maryland where I live masks are supposedly not mandated anymore, but a lot of stores won't let you in without them. Stores are the authoritarian enforcers now --- I really resent this. Talk about bad customer service, this is fearing and hating their customers!
The better we become at treating it, the better off we will be. I doubt it just goes away any time soon, but who knows. A lot of those places that were held up as great to make the US (and Trump) look bad last year are still getting pounded this year. Japan is getting hammered right now. Anyway, masks for the vaccinated are no longer mandatory here in VA as of this coming Friday, but I see a lot of people already removing them
I buy pretty much everything online now, and rarely leave the farm.
I think you are really saying that you doubt it will stop on its own (but many, even most, epidemics did stop on their own, sometimes forever, such as the lethal English Sweat, started in 1485 with the Battle of Bosworth Field that put Henry Tudor, Henry VII, on the throne. It was the mercenary soldiers in Henry's army transmitting it, of course. They came from all over.). The fact that it's ricocheting around the world is NOT a good sign, I agree --- I am also worried about that. Japan, India, etc. And that it may surge just because the masks are coming off ---- sure, could happen.
I have hopes for August, because August is often the end of pandemics (Why? Who knows?). But I agree with you ----- anything could happen, including another surge. Including mutations with an independent epidemic. I hope not.
If a store makes you wear a mask you should loudly leave.
There is no reason someone who was vaccinated should wear a mask other than politics, and businesses you patronize don't need to be in your politics.
I have a lot of family in Maryland. They say there's a lot of social pressure to wear masks, but no one is forcing them now. I realize it's not the same everywhere in Maryland
If it is a military commissary, what is needed is whatever the government tells you is needed to walk in the door
Key words, "accidental truth".Telling the truth? The government will never do that.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
There is press to jab because the government has a use them or lose them position so unless a state uses theirs up, they will get less. Plus with the demasking and full re-openings going on there is fear there will be another surge.
Anyway, I don't care if people get the shot or not. My barber has an honor system where people with both shots don't have to wear a mask, but people without them do. She doesn't wear one as she had both shots.
So you are saying that it is driven by money and control of the people.
Isn't everything these days?
Not what they are claiming, however.
Well, no, you can't come out and TELL people you're just interested in money and control over people's lives.
To be fair, the government MIGHT tell the truth about something, but only if the truth is the most effective path to money and power. So kind of an accidental truth, as a side effect.
There you go, using profanity to try to bolster your babbling and denial of what ever you don't want to hear.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
Another selfish prig.
Hospital workers, nurses, doctors hate people like you.
They have been stretched beyond their limits of exhaustion and lost their own lives because of attitudes like yours.
ANd yes, you fucking idiot, the vaccine is working unless you've had your head up your ass the last 5 months.
Cases are way down from last winter after the vaccine was released.
Only 471 deaths today compared to the 3-4000 daily deaths last winter.
United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Key words, "accidental truth".Telling the truth? The government will never do that.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
There is press to jab because the government has a use them or lose them position so unless a state uses theirs up, they will get less. Plus with the demasking and full re-openings going on there is fear there will be another surge.
Anyway, I don't care if people get the shot or not. My barber has an honor system where people with both shots don't have to wear a mask, but people without them do. She doesn't wear one as she had both shots.
So you are saying that it is driven by money and control of the people.
Isn't everything these days?
Not what they are claiming, however.
Well, no, you can't come out and TELL people you're just interested in money and control over people's lives.
To be fair, the government MIGHT tell the truth about something, but only if the truth is the most effective path to money and power. So kind of an accidental truth, as a side effect.
We'll have to keep an eye on that data then.Where are you seeing that information and are the rates of re-infection for fully vaccinated individuals statistically significant (I.e. are they above the rates predicted in the initial studies for each vaccine?). None of these vaccines claim 100% immunity (no vaccine that I know of is), so re-infection in some portion of the vaccinated is expected.Read the recently published rate of re-infection. It is continually growing.That’s how most (all?) vaccines work, a weakened version of the pathogen designed to illicit an immune response and memory cells responsible for the production of T-Cells against the disease.That’s a GREAT question and one that I’ve wondered about myself, we’ve recently allowed fully vaccinated individuals to stop wearing masks while at work (if they choose) but still require those that have had COVID (no matter how recently) to continue wearing them, which doesn’t make sense to me (other than perhaps the CDC guidelines don’t specifically address those people).Why are they promoting it to those who have natural immunity because they had it before and have the antibodies?They are promoting it because it works to control the virus and that is their goal. There is no conspiracy or ulterior motive. They are promoting it for public health and for no other reason.Just a quick question with no driving agenda.
Is anyone else wondering why there is a full court press to promote this shot?
With all the continues advertising, is it doing any good? If you haven't gotten the shot by now, trying to shame you into it will do no good. Also, do they really think that they are providing new information concerning these shots to anyone who has not already heard the information being presented?
Just stopp and let peole do what they feel is best for themselves.
It seems like they feel that immunity through infection may be less complete and reliable than immunity through vaccination. Can't really be sure, since - for a variety of "don't upset the narrative" reasons - they don't want to come right out and explain.
They also fail to mention that a vaccine consists of injecting a form of the disease into your body. This is supposed to create some immunity. If you already have some immunity, why?
From what I understand the technology used in the some of the COVID vaccines is a new method involving messenger RNA to achieve the same results.
I haven’t seen anything to be alarmed about regarding these vaccines and the results so far indicate they’re all safe (including the J&J shot since the blood clot issue was with a very small number of patients and has been cleared as a statistical anomaly).
Maybe you have some information that I’m not aware of that causes you to be concerned?
However since the vaccination distribution and administration “program” has begun we’ve seen a DRAMATIC reduction in both new cases and positivity rates, I realize correlation doesn’t imply causation but the numbers are too large to be explained simply by chance (or weather).
There is not enough empirical data yet to draw any conclusions, positive or negative.
Having dealt with the government for years, I am skeptical.
