Cuomo Claims Ordering Positive COVID Patients To Nursing Homes Did Not Spread The Virus

[Weatherman2020]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

I don’t recall Trump ordering sick 23 year olds into buildings with healthy 75 year olds. Care to elaborate on this fantasy of yours?

 

[Care4all]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

I don’t recall Trump ordering sick 23 year olds into buildings with healthy 75 year olds. Care to elaborate on this fantasy of yours?

Link?

 

[Oldestyle]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

 

[Weatherman2020]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

I don’t recall Trump ordering sick 23 year olds into buildings with healthy 75 year olds. Care to elaborate on this fantasy of yours?

Link?

How many times can you pretend to remain ignorant?

Leftard Newsweek:
The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19, was issued to free up hospital beds amid rising case numbers, but Cuomo effectively rescinded it in May 2020, nearly 10 months later, amid worries of increasing infections in nursing homes.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Under Cuomo's Order, Nursing Homes Received 9,000 COVID Patients Before May

"The lack of transparency ... has undermined our ability to both recognize the scope and severity of what's going on," an advocate for New York care facility residents said.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Dragonlady]

These are very sick creatures.

So you can’t rebut anything that we’ve posted. You can just sit there and post that we are evil and awful because we refuse to believe your lies.

Real life doesn’t work this way. When your lies are completely debunked, you don’t get to pretend your BS isn’t total and utter bullshit.

I find it utterly deplorable that you continue to smear, vilify and discredit those who have actually worked very hard to reduce the loss of life, based on whether there’s a D or an R after their name.

You continue to filter out all fact, reason, and logic and to continue to give us nothing but total BS.

Cuomos own staff has already refuted what you say you stupid clod.

"Unnamed sources" in a NYPost article is not exactly a reliable source:

• Overall we rate the New York Post on the far end of Right-Center Biased due to story selection that typically favors the Right and Mixed (borderline questionable) for factual reporting based on several failed fact checks.

New York Post - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

At most Cuomo is reasonably accused of only listing people who died in nursing homes in his numbers. Nursing home residents who got sick at the LTC facility and transferred to hospitals were not counted in the LTC numbers, and in being slow to correct the numbers when this was learned.

There are numerous other governors who have been less than forthcoming about their nursing home numbers too, including DeSantis and Greg Abbott from Texas. DeSantis went so far as to try to lay criminal charges against the whistleblower who outed his numbers, and not a whisper from you clowns. I lay all of these cover ups at the feet of Donald Trump who politicized a public health crisis and attacked anyone who "made him look bad".

Nine Democrat Assembly members say Cuomo is guilty of obstructing justice. Are they all liars?

People can be WRONG, about a thing, without being liars, jackass!!!!

Furthermore, "obstruction of justice" for failing to properly report the numbers, and for being slow to correct the numbers once the error was found, doesn't mean that Cuomo's policies resulted in more deaths than would have happened otherwise. So this notion that Cuomo has "blood on his hands", because of this "scandal" is also false.

Even with doubling the numbers of nursing home deaths. Nursing home deaths in NY are still only 39% of cases, which puts New York right smack dab in the average loss in nursing homes cases in the country. The national average is 36% of deaths being in nursing homes. This despite New York being one of the first states hit - before there was adequate supplies of tests and PPE, or known treatments for the virus.

There are states with more nursing homes deaths. There are states where 72% of the people who died, were nursing home residents. There are dozens of states with a far worse track record in nursing home cases than New York, including Texas and Arizona. Ron DeSantis had police arrest a government whistleblower at gunpoint, after threatening her small children with guns. Of course most of them are Red States so not a murmur from you fools.

Why the full frontal attack on Cuomo?


This tempest in a tea pot over his reporting numbers seems much ado about nothing in the grand scheme of things. R

 

[BS Filter]

These are very sick creatures.

So you can’t rebut anything that we’ve posted. You can just sit there and post that we are evil and awful because we refuse to believe your lies.

Real life doesn’t work this way. When your lies are completely debunked, you don’t get to pretend your BS isn’t total and utter bullshit.

I find it utterly deplorable that you continue to smear, vilify and discredit those who have actually worked very hard to reduce the loss of life, based on whether there’s a D or an R after their name.

You continue to filter out all fact, reason, and logic and to continue to give us nothing but total BS.

Cuomos own staff has already refuted what you say you stupid clod.

"Unnamed sources" in a NYPost article is not exactly a reliable source:

• Overall we rate the New York Post on the far end of Right-Center Biased due to story selection that typically favors the Right and Mixed (borderline questionable) for factual reporting based on several failed fact checks.

New York Post - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

At most Cuomo is reasonably accused of only listing people who died in nursing homes in his numbers. Nursing home residents who got sick at the LTC facility and transferred to hospitals were not counted in the LTC numbers, and in being slow to correct the numbers when this was learned.

There are numerous other governors who have been less than forthcoming about their nursing home numbers too, including DeSantis and Greg Abbott from Texas. DeSantis went so far as to try to lay criminal charges against the whistleblower who outed his numbers, and not a whisper from you clowns. I lay all of these cover ups at the feet of Donald Trump who politicized a public health crisis and attacked anyone who "made him look bad".

Nine Democrat Assembly members say Cuomo is guilty of obstructing justice. Are they all liars?

People can be WRONG, about a thing, without being liars, jackass!!!!

Furthermore, "obstruction of justice" for failing to properly report the numbers, and for being slow to correct the numbers once the error was found, doesn't mean that Cuomo's policies resulted in more deaths than would have happened otherwise. So this notion that Cuomo has "blood on his hands", because of this "scandal" is also false.

Even with doubling the numbers of nursing home deaths. Nursing home deaths in NY are still only 39% of cases, which puts New York right smack dab in the average loss in nursing homes cases in the country. The national average is 36% of deaths being in nursing homes. This despite New York being one of the first states hit - before there was adequate supplies of tests and PPE, or known treatments for the virus.

There are states with more nursing homes deaths. There are states where 72% of the people who died, were nursing home residents. There are dozens of states with a far worse track record in nursing home cases than New York, including Texas and Arizona. Ron DeSantis had police arrest a government whistleblower at gunpoint, after threatening her small children with guns. Of course most of them are Red States so not a murmur from you fools.

Why the full frontal attack on Cuomo?


This tempest in a tea pot over his reporting numbers seems much ado about nothing in the grand scheme of things. R

Don't whine to me. Your comrades on the left are ready to tar and feather him, whine and moan to them.

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

He didn't follow CDC guidelines, liar.

You have been nailed on that lie about a dozen times in this thread. Time to stop.

 

[Weatherman2020]

These are very sick creatures.

So you can’t rebut anything that we’ve posted. You can just sit there and post that we are evil and awful because we refuse to believe your lies.

Real life doesn’t work this way. When your lies are completely debunked, you don’t get to pretend your BS isn’t total and utter bullshit.

I find it utterly deplorable that you continue to smear, vilify and discredit those who have actually worked very hard to reduce the loss of life, based on whether there’s a D or an R after their name.

You continue to filter out all fact, reason, and logic and to continue to give us nothing but total BS.

Cuomos own staff has already refuted what you say you stupid clod.

"Unnamed sources" in a NYPost article is not exactly a reliable source:

• Overall we rate the New York Post on the far end of Right-Center Biased due to story selection that typically favors the Right and Mixed (borderline questionable) for factual reporting based on several failed fact checks.

New York Post - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

At most Cuomo is reasonably accused of only listing people who died in nursing homes in his numbers. Nursing home residents who got sick at the LTC facility and transferred to hospitals were not counted in the LTC numbers, and in being slow to correct the numbers when this was learned.

There are numerous other governors who have been less than forthcoming about their nursing home numbers too, including DeSantis and Greg Abbott from Texas. DeSantis went so far as to try to lay criminal charges against the whistleblower who outed his numbers, and not a whisper from you clowns. I lay all of these cover ups at the feet of Donald Trump who politicized a public health crisis and attacked anyone who "made him look bad".

Nine Democrat Assembly members say Cuomo is guilty of obstructing justice. Are they all liars?

People can be WRONG, about a thing, without being liars, jackass!!!!

Furthermore, "obstruction of justice" for failing to properly report the numbers, and for being slow to correct the numbers once the error was found, doesn't mean that Cuomo's policies resulted in more deaths than would have happened otherwise. So this notion that Cuomo has "blood on his hands", because of this "scandal" is also false.

Even with doubling the numbers of nursing home deaths. Nursing home deaths in NY are still only 39% of cases, which puts New York right smack dab in the average loss in nursing homes cases in the country. The national average is 36% of deaths being in nursing homes. This despite New York being one of the first states hit - before there was adequate supplies of tests and PPE, or known treatments for the virus.

There are states with more nursing homes deaths. There are states where 72% of the people who died, were nursing home residents. There are dozens of states with a far worse track record in nursing home cases than New York, including Texas and Arizona. Ron DeSantis had police arrest a government whistleblower at gunpoint, after threatening her small children with guns. Of course most of them are Red States so not a murmur from you fools.

Why the full frontal attack on Cuomo?


This tempest in a tea pot over his reporting numbers seems much ado about nothing in the grand scheme of things. R

Intentionally hiding deaths from the Federal government as required by FEDERAL LAW is a CRIME.

 

[Dragonlady]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.

The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.

The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.

The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.

The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.

Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”

 

[Dragonlady]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

He didn't follow CDC guidelines, liar.

You have been nailed on that lie about a dozen times in this thread. Time to stop.

He DID follow the CDC Guidelines. Calling someone else a liar, doesn't mean you aren't lying, as we see time after time with you. Cuomo has presented that defence on multiple occasions, and you continue to deny that it's true, without providing evidence of YOUR assertions.

No one has disputed Cuomo's contention that the CDC suggested returning these patients to their LTC facilities, except YOU FuckBoi!

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

He didn't follow CDC guidelines, liar.

You have been nailed on that lie about a dozen times in this thread. Time to stop.

He DID follow the CDC Guidelines. Calling someone else a liar, doesn't mean you aren't lying, as we see time after time with you. Cuomo has presented that defence on multiple occasions, and you continue to deny that it's true, without providing evidence of YOUR assertions.

No one has disputed Cuomo's contention that the CDC suggested returning these patients to their LTC facilities, except YOU FuckBoi!

He DID follow the CDC Guidelines.

Once again you are a lying sack of shit. The CDC guidelines have been posted in this thread, as has Benito's order. They did not follow CDC guidelines, Moron.

You are too fucking stupid to know the difference between a suggestion given certain conditions and the mandate Cuomo put in place.

 

[Care4all]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.

The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.

The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.

Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”

Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....

HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,

BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....

That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.

It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.

I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)

Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.

The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.

The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.

Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”

Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....

HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,

BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....

That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.

It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.

I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)

Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.

You really look stupid for continuing to try to defend the indefensible. Cuomo's MANDATE killed people. End of story.

Time for you to accept reality.

 

[Oldestyle]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.

The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.

The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.

Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”

Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....

HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,

BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....

That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.

It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.

I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)

Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.

The cold hard fact is that almost NONE of the nursing homes in New York State had the means to follow Cuomo's "rules" but Emperor Andrew didn't give a shit! His administration pressured Nursing Homes to readmit patients who still had Covid and that policy KILLED tens of thousands of elderly New Yorkers trapped in those homes with no place to hide from what Cuomo was unleashing on them!

 

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This is a simple matter of common sense, Care! Nursing homes are NOTORIOUSLY understaffed yet some idiots in the Cuomo Administration thought that there would be enough nursing home staff so that the same staff wouldn't be caring for infected patients as well as non infected patients? Anyone who knows even the slightest amount about nursing homes should have been able to tell Cuomo that this mandate was INSANE and would result in exactly what it did result in! So who in the Cuomo "universe" was it that was either supremely ignorant about something they should have had experience with...or who was it that knew but didn't care because they thought people dying would hurt Trump in the upcoming election?

 

[Care4all]

It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again

It certainly is, to right wingers!

 

[Care4all]

This is a simple matter of common sense, Care! Nursing homes are NOTORIOUSLY understaffed yet some idiots in the Cuomo Administration thought that there would be enough nursing home staff so that the same staff wouldn't be caring for infected patients as well as non infected patients? Anyone who knows even the slightest amount about nursing homes should have been able to tell Cuomo that this mandate was INSANE and would result in exactly what it did result in! So who in the Cuomo "universe" was it that was either supremely ignorant about something they should have had experience with...or who was it that knew but didn't care because they thought people dying would hurt Trump in the upcoming election?

Whomever is their State Secretary of Health....don't know a name? But they would have been the agency, Dept of Health, to write NY State guidelines off of the CDC/CMS guidelines....

 

[Nostra]

This is a simple matter of common sense, Care! Nursing homes are NOTORIOUSLY understaffed yet some idiots in the Cuomo Administration thought that there would be enough nursing home staff so that the same staff wouldn't be caring for infected patients as well as non infected patients? Anyone who knows even the slightest amount about nursing homes should have been able to tell Cuomo that this mandate was INSANE and would result in exactly what it did result in! So who in the Cuomo "universe" was it that was either supremely ignorant about something they should have had experience with...or who was it that knew but didn't care because they thought people dying would hurt Trump in the upcoming election?

Whomever is their State Secretary of Health....don't know a name? But they would have been the agency, Dept of Health, to write NY State guidelines off of the CDC/CMS guidelines....

Cuomo wrote and signed his name on the mandate forcing NHs to take China Flu infected people. You are as bad as he is trying to blame everyone else.