Cuomo Claims Ordering Positive COVID Patients To Nursing Homes Did Not Spread The Virus

[Oldestyle]

Cuz science.
The guy is a total psychopath. Seriously, And everyone that carried his water and celebrated him for the last year has the same blood on their hands he does.
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Let me see... Placing COVID positive patients with COVID negative people who are highly susceptible to infection from the virus..... Cuomo really is that stupid or just that big of a psychopathic murderer... I'm going with the later as he was trying to make Trump look bad....

The directive was for nursing homes to take back in their own residents that were sent to the hospital, but were now recovered enough to be sent home....

- and to put them in a ward set up, specifically for covid positive residents, separate from non infected nursing home residents

- to have a separate nursing aide staff that attends to the positive covid residents that does not care for the non infected normal residents.

- with a separate wing entrance that the nursing aids entered and exited

- with added air filtration systems if possible....

And a bunch of other steps to take.

And if the nursing home did not have space or ability to set up these separate covid wards or wings, then they had to place the covid returning patient, in to another nursing home facility that had space to have a separate covid ward.

These guidelines initially came from the CDC to the Agency over nursing homes, who sent out their guidelines for nursing homes.....to all States.

I think the problem came from nursing homes NOT following those guidelines, and states like New York not checking on those nursing homes to see if there were any problems.... or making it easy for NY nursing homes to reach the State dept of health, for help of any kind.

The problem is that almost NONE of the nursing homes had ANY of those things in place yet Cuomo's mandate forced them to take back infected patients! Cuomo has tried to blame it on the nursing homes but it's obvious that those nursing homes didn't want those patients back because THEY grasped how dangerous it was! The question then becomes...why didn't Cuomo and his people? Why did it take them WEEKS to rescind that order even after it was brutally obvious that Covid was ravaging New York State's nursing homes?

 

[Oldestyle]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

For starters, stop using the fake data supplied by mass murderer Cuomo.

What's fake? I just looked up the data....

And NY State has had 33% of the covid deaths, from nursing home residents...

And on average States are running at 40% of their total covid deaths from nursing home residents.

So why has it been a higher percentage of nursing home deaths, of total covid deaths, in other states??? It makes absolutely no sense? Unless the other States were also sending recovering covid hospital patients as well??? Or, returning hospitalized covid patients to nursing homes did not further spread the disease because the patients were on the waning side of the virus and less infectious??? That still does not explain why a higher percentage of nursing h residents died in states other than NY State?

Maybe because Killer Cuomo killed a total of 46,235 total citizens, second only to the great state of Kalifornia.....so even though his nursing home total was high, he killed so many others it made his percentage look better.

Oh please spare us from your ignorance on this.... NY State was the first hardest hit state with the new and unknown covid 19 virus. It was hit the hardest because NYC metropolitan Airports bring in more international travelers on business and vacation than any other city in the USA and Europe, where the virus was booming. They got hit hard with the Euro version, spreading like crazy, while unknown to them. Compacted populations in cities, mass transit, packed crowds, makes rapid spread inevitable and coupled with a "silent" spread with asymptomatic people made it invisible....until it was too late.

Other states had advance notice, and Cuomo who had gone thru it ahead of them, for the states to follow and pick and choose from...or learn from....

Keeping crowded subways open and putting sick 23 year olds in elderly care homes helped a tad.

Withholding reports of deaths to the Feds is a Federal crime.

Who got really sick at 23 yrs old, that didn't have a home to go to for recovering at?

That's t plain bull shit!

I'm not defending him on whatever he did with the numbers, don't really know much about it.

This thread however, is not about the numbers.... start another thread.

Bottom line on putting covid patients released from the hospital back in to separate covid wards in to nursing homes was federal guidance that Cuomo's health administrator followed, as Cuomo claimed.

I posted it above, from the federal agency giving the states guidance.

That's total bullshit! That's the narrative that Cuomo has used to pass the buck onto someone other than him and his people. If that was true then patients would have been returned to nursing homes all over the country and that didn't take place!

As far as I know, New York, New Jersey, Michigan and Massachusetts were the only States to interpret the Federal guidelines that way and all four had large numbers of people dying in nursing homes. All four had far left Democratic Governors.

At least New Jersey, Michigan and Massachusetts reported the REAL number of deaths...Cuomo flat out lied to hide what had taken place!

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

For starters, stop using the fake data supplied by mass murderer Cuomo.

What's fake? I just looked up the data....

And NY State has had 33% of the covid deaths, from nursing home residents...

And on average States are running at 40% of their total covid deaths from nursing home residents.

So why has it been a higher percentage of nursing home deaths, of total covid deaths, in other states??? It makes absolutely no sense? Unless the other States were also sending recovering covid hospital patients as well??? Or, returning hospitalized covid patients to nursing homes did not further spread the disease because the patients were on the waning side of the virus and less infectious??? That still does not explain why a higher percentage of nursing h residents died in states other than NY State?

Maybe because Killer Cuomo killed a total of 46,235 total citizens, second only to the great state of Kalifornia.....so even though his nursing home total was high, he killed so many others it made his percentage look better.

Oh please spare us from your ignorance on this.... NY State was the first hardest hit state with the new and unknown covid 19 virus. It was hit the hardest because NYC metropolitan Airports bring in more international travelers on business and vacation than any other city in the USA and Europe, where the virus was booming. They got hit hard with the Euro version, spreading like crazy, while unknown to them. Compacted populations in cities, mass transit, packed crowds, makes rapid spread inevitable and coupled with a "silent" spread with asymptomatic people made it invisible....until it was too late.

Other states had advance notice, and Cuomo who had gone thru it ahead of them, for the states to follow and pick and choose from...or learn from....

Keeping crowded subways open and putting sick 23 year olds in elderly care homes helped a tad.

Withholding reports of deaths to the Feds is a Federal crime.

Who got really sick at 23 yrs old, that didn't have a home to go to for recovering at?

That's t plain bull shit!

I'm not defending him on whatever he did with the numbers, don't really know much about it.

This thread however, is not about the numbers.... start another thread.

Bottom line on putting covid patients released from the hospital back in to separate covid wards in to nursing homes was federal guidance that Cuomo's health administrator followed, as Cuomo claimed.

I posted it above, from the federal agency giving the states guidance.

Coumo ordered that all nursing homes take in covid patients----regardless of them being contagious or not. No separate covid wards needed no extra exits either. NURSING HOMES did the best they could to separate the covid infected-----but that did not the spreading in the nursing homes as Cuomo and the other 4 dem governors intended. Cuomo stood to make millions off killing people trying to justify a bail out by the federal government. He's a psychopath as are you CARE---as you lie with no remorse.

May 10, Cuomo took down the march 25 order.

DATE: March 25, 2020 TO: Nursing Home Administrators, Directors of Nursing, and Hospital Discharge Planners FROM: New York State Department of Health COVID-19 has been detected in multiple communities throughout New York State. There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care. As a result, this directive is being issued to clarify expectations for nursing homes (NHs) receiving residents returning from hospitalization and for NHs accepting new admissions. Hospital discharge planning staff and NHs should carefully review this guidance with all staff directly involved in resident admission, transfer, and discharges. During this global health emergency, all NHs must comply with the expedited receipt of residents returning from hospitals to NHs. Residents are deemed appropriate for return to a NH upon a determination by the hospital physician or designee that the resident is medically stable for return. Hospital discharge planners must confirm to the NH, by telephone, that the resident is medically stable for discharge. Comprehensive discharge instructions must be provided by the hospital prior to the transport of a resident to the NH. No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission. Information for healthcare providers on COVID-19 is readily available on the New York State Department of Health public website at https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/information-healthcareproviders. As always, standard precautions must be maintained, and environmental cleaning made a priority, during this public health emergency. Critical personal protective equipment (PPE) needs should be immediately communicated to your local Office of Emergency Management, with the appropriate information provided at the time of request. Requests MUST include: o Type and quantity of PPE by size; o Point of contact at the requesting facility or system; o Delivery location; o Date request is needed to be filled by; AND o Record of pending orders. Thank you for your ongoing support and cooperation in responding to COVID-19. General questions or comments about this advisory can be sent to [email protected].

I've read the NY directive you just posted and it says precisely what I've said, New York FOLLOWED the CDC and CMS guidelines for returning covid residents who were hospitalized...

I HAVE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES

The CDC/CMS guidelines...

Obviously YOU, have failed to READ them! Why is that? Do you enjoy being a pawn for a bunch of liars?


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Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •

You keep posting the same lie. Are you related to Cuomo?

CDC guidelines say you "can" return patients under certain conditions.............Cuomo mandated that nursing homes "MUST" accept China Flu infected people.

Stop trying to push the same debunked lie over and over, liar.

Sorry Charlie!

It says SHOULD as in shall,

NOT

CAN or could.

And yes, under certain CDC guidance for their admission.. a separate covid ward, with separate nursing aid staff etc... WHICH IS IN THE NEW YORK STATE detailed guidelines given to the nursing homes....

So, it was not like NY State created this return of covid residents to nursing homes, all by their lonesome.... They created their NY guidelines from the CDC guideline recommendations.

ALL the other states in the northeast at that time who were saturated with covid cases in their hospitals, set identical guidelines for returning covid residents to nursing homes.

There were problems in NY nursing homes with this....I am not denying that.... some nursing homes were not following the CDC, CMS, or the New York guidelines.....

So, you are trying to hide your lies by splitting hairs between "can" and "should"

Neither of those is anywhere near the mandate Benito signed, Dummy.

Please stop pushing this lie................you really look like an idiot who is defending a mass murderer.

I'm not splitting hairs.... it does not say they CAN as you conveniently said.... it does not give any choice, except ONE. The one exception is that if the home can not set up an infectious disease ward, following all the CDC guidelines for an infectious disease ward... it should not take in the returning Covid resident until they are covid free of symptoms...and these residents should be placed in a nursing home who can and is able, to follow the cdc / NY guidelines....

The CMS, which is the federal inspection agency for nursing homes, failed in their inspections of covid infected nursing homes imo....because they should have caught the nursing homes not following the guidelines earlier..... So did any inspection teams NEW YORK state might have had....again, imo.

You look dumber every time you post that bullshit.

Benito Cuomo did not follow CDC guidelines, liar.

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

For starters, stop using the fake data supplied by mass murderer Cuomo.

What's fake? I just looked up the data....

And NY State has had 33% of the covid deaths, from nursing home residents...

And on average States are running at 40% of their total covid deaths from nursing home residents.

So why has it been a higher percentage of nursing home deaths, of total covid deaths, in other states??? It makes absolutely no sense? Unless the other States were also sending recovering covid hospital patients as well??? Or, returning hospitalized covid patients to nursing homes did not further spread the disease because the patients were on the waning side of the virus and less infectious??? That still does not explain why a higher percentage of nursing h residents died in states other than NY State?

Maybe because Killer Cuomo killed a total of 46,235 total citizens, second only to the great state of Kalifornia.....so even though his nursing home total was high, he killed so many others it made his percentage look better.

Oh please spare us from your ignorance on this.... NY State was the first hardest hit state with the new and unknown covid 19 virus. It was hit the hardest because NYC metropolitan Airports bring in more international travelers on business and vacation than any other city in the USA and Europe, where the virus was booming. They got hit hard with the Euro version, spreading like crazy, while unknown to them. Compacted populations in cities, mass transit, packed crowds, makes rapid spread inevitable and coupled with a "silent" spread with asymptomatic people made it invisible....until it was too late.

Other states had advance notice, and Cuomo who had gone thru it ahead of them, for the states to follow and pick and choose from...or learn from....

Keeping crowded subways open and putting sick 23 year olds in elderly care homes helped a tad.

Withholding reports of deaths to the Feds is a Federal crime.

Who got really sick at 23 yrs old, that didn't have a home to go to for recovering at?

That's t plain bull shit!

I'm not defending him on whatever he did with the numbers, don't really know much about it.

This thread however, is not about the numbers.... start another thread.

Bottom line on putting covid patients released from the hospital back in to separate covid wards in to nursing homes was federal guidance that Cuomo's health administrator followed, as Cuomo claimed.

I posted it above, from the federal agency giving the states guidance.

Coumo ordered that all nursing homes take in covid patients----regardless of them being contagious or not. No separate covid wards needed no extra exits either. NURSING HOMES did the best they could to separate the covid infected-----but that did not the spreading in the nursing homes as Cuomo and the other 4 dem governors intended. Cuomo stood to make millions off killing people trying to justify a bail out by the federal government. He's a psychopath as are you CARE---as you lie with no remorse.

May 10, Cuomo took down the march 25 order.

DATE: March 25, 2020 TO: Nursing Home Administrators, Directors of Nursing, and Hospital Discharge Planners FROM: New York State Department of Health COVID-19 has been detected in multiple communities throughout New York State. There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care. As a result, this directive is being issued to clarify expectations for nursing homes (NHs) receiving residents returning from hospitalization and for NHs accepting new admissions. Hospital discharge planning staff and NHs should carefully review this guidance with all staff directly involved in resident admission, transfer, and discharges. During this global health emergency, all NHs must comply with the expedited receipt of residents returning from hospitals to NHs. Residents are deemed appropriate for return to a NH upon a determination by the hospital physician or designee that the resident is medically stable for return. Hospital discharge planners must confirm to the NH, by telephone, that the resident is medically stable for discharge. Comprehensive discharge instructions must be provided by the hospital prior to the transport of a resident to the NH. No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission. Information for healthcare providers on COVID-19 is readily available on the New York State Department of Health public website at https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/information-healthcareproviders. As always, standard precautions must be maintained, and environmental cleaning made a priority, during this public health emergency. Critical personal protective equipment (PPE) needs should be immediately communicated to your local Office of Emergency Management, with the appropriate information provided at the time of request. Requests MUST include: o Type and quantity of PPE by size; o Point of contact at the requesting facility or system; o Delivery location; o Date request is needed to be filled by; AND o Record of pending orders. Thank you for your ongoing support and cooperation in responding to COVID-19. General questions or comments about this advisory can be sent to [email protected].

I've read the NY directive you just posted and it says precisely what I've said, New York FOLLOWED the CDC and CMS guidelines for returning covid residents who were hospitalized...

I HAVE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES

The CDC/CMS guidelines...

Obviously YOU, have failed to READ them! Why is that? Do you enjoy being a pawn for a bunch of liars?


------

Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •

You keep posting the same lie. Are you related to Cuomo?

CDC guidelines say you "can" return patients under certain conditions.............Cuomo mandated that nursing homes "MUST" accept China Flu infected people.

Stop trying to push the same debunked lie over and over, liar.

Sorry Charlie!

It says SHOULD as in shall,

NOT

CAN or could.

And yes, under certain CDC guidance for their admission.. a separate covid ward, with separate nursing aid staff etc... WHICH IS IN THE NEW YORK STATE detailed guidelines given to the nursing homes....

So, it was not like NY State created this return of covid residents to nursing homes, all by their lonesome.... They created their NY guidelines from the CDC guideline recommendations.

ALL the other states in the northeast at that time who were saturated with covid cases in their hospitals, set identical guidelines for returning covid residents to nursing homes.

There were problems in NY nursing homes with this....I am not denying that.... some nursing homes were not following the CDC, CMS, or the New York guidelines.....

Should != shall. In government orders those are very different terms.

Should, can and may are all synonyms in government orders. Will, must and shall are all synonyms in government orders.

All of this avoids the actual data though and is rather irrelevant.

I dunno about that...

Should is the past tense of shall....

Difference Between Shall and Should | Difference Between

Shall vs Should The basic difference between “shall” and “should” is that “should” is the past tense of “shall.” But when we use these words or modals, the usage is not as simple as using “should” in place of “shall” in the past tense. “Should” is not used in the past tense independently; it has […]

www.differencebetween.net

.

You and Cuomo are the only two left on Moron Island. Everyone else has left.

Congrats!

 

[FA_Q2]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

For starters, stop using the fake data supplied by mass murderer Cuomo.

What's fake? I just looked up the data....

And NY State has had 33% of the covid deaths, from nursing home residents...

And on average States are running at 40% of their total covid deaths from nursing home residents.

So why has it been a higher percentage of nursing home deaths, of total covid deaths, in other states??? It makes absolutely no sense? Unless the other States were also sending recovering covid hospital patients as well??? Or, returning hospitalized covid patients to nursing homes did not further spread the disease because the patients were on the waning side of the virus and less infectious??? That still does not explain why a higher percentage of nursing h residents died in states other than NY State?

Maybe because Killer Cuomo killed a total of 46,235 total citizens, second only to the great state of Kalifornia.....so even though his nursing home total was high, he killed so many others it made his percentage look better.

Oh please spare us from your ignorance on this.... NY State was the first hardest hit state with the new and unknown covid 19 virus. It was hit the hardest because NYC metropolitan Airports bring in more international travelers on business and vacation than any other city in the USA and Europe, where the virus was booming. They got hit hard with the Euro version, spreading like crazy, while unknown to them. Compacted populations in cities, mass transit, packed crowds, makes rapid spread inevitable and coupled with a "silent" spread with asymptomatic people made it invisible....until it was too late.

Other states had advance notice, and Cuomo who had gone thru it ahead of them, for the states to follow and pick and choose from...or learn from....

Keeping crowded subways open and putting sick 23 year olds in elderly care homes helped a tad.

Withholding reports of deaths to the Feds is a Federal crime.

Who got really sick at 23 yrs old, that didn't have a home to go to for recovering at?

That's t plain bull shit!

I'm not defending him on whatever he did with the numbers, don't really know much about it.

This thread however, is not about the numbers.... start another thread.

Bottom line on putting covid patients released from the hospital back in to separate covid wards in to nursing homes was federal guidance that Cuomo's health administrator followed, as Cuomo claimed.

I posted it above, from the federal agency giving the states guidance.

Coumo ordered that all nursing homes take in covid patients----regardless of them being contagious or not. No separate covid wards needed no extra exits either. NURSING HOMES did the best they could to separate the covid infected-----but that did not the spreading in the nursing homes as Cuomo and the other 4 dem governors intended. Cuomo stood to make millions off killing people trying to justify a bail out by the federal government. He's a psychopath as are you CARE---as you lie with no remorse.

May 10, Cuomo took down the march 25 order.

DATE: March 25, 2020 TO: Nursing Home Administrators, Directors of Nursing, and Hospital Discharge Planners FROM: New York State Department of Health COVID-19 has been detected in multiple communities throughout New York State. There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care. As a result, this directive is being issued to clarify expectations for nursing homes (NHs) receiving residents returning from hospitalization and for NHs accepting new admissions. Hospital discharge planning staff and NHs should carefully review this guidance with all staff directly involved in resident admission, transfer, and discharges. During this global health emergency, all NHs must comply with the expedited receipt of residents returning from hospitals to NHs. Residents are deemed appropriate for return to a NH upon a determination by the hospital physician or designee that the resident is medically stable for return. Hospital discharge planners must confirm to the NH, by telephone, that the resident is medically stable for discharge. Comprehensive discharge instructions must be provided by the hospital prior to the transport of a resident to the NH. No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission. Information for healthcare providers on COVID-19 is readily available on the New York State Department of Health public website at https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/information-healthcareproviders. As always, standard precautions must be maintained, and environmental cleaning made a priority, during this public health emergency. Critical personal protective equipment (PPE) needs should be immediately communicated to your local Office of Emergency Management, with the appropriate information provided at the time of request. Requests MUST include: o Type and quantity of PPE by size; o Point of contact at the requesting facility or system; o Delivery location; o Date request is needed to be filled by; AND o Record of pending orders. Thank you for your ongoing support and cooperation in responding to COVID-19. General questions or comments about this advisory can be sent to [email protected].

I've read the NY directive you just posted and it says precisely what I've said, New York FOLLOWED the CDC and CMS guidelines for returning covid residents who were hospitalized...

I HAVE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES

The CDC/CMS guidelines...

Obviously YOU, have failed to READ them! Why is that? Do you enjoy being a pawn for a bunch of liars?


------

Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •

You keep posting the same lie. Are you related to Cuomo?

CDC guidelines say you "can" return patients under certain conditions.............Cuomo mandated that nursing homes "MUST" accept China Flu infected people.

Stop trying to push the same debunked lie over and over, liar.

Sorry Charlie!

It says SHOULD as in shall,

NOT

CAN or could.

And yes, under certain CDC guidance for their admission.. a separate covid ward, with separate nursing aid staff etc... WHICH IS IN THE NEW YORK STATE detailed guidelines given to the nursing homes....

So, it was not like NY State created this return of covid residents to nursing homes, all by their lonesome.... They created their NY guidelines from the CDC guideline recommendations.

ALL the other states in the northeast at that time who were saturated with covid cases in their hospitals, set identical guidelines for returning covid residents to nursing homes.

There were problems in NY nursing homes with this....I am not denying that.... some nursing homes were not following the CDC, CMS, or the New York guidelines.....

Should != shall. In government orders those are very different terms.

Should, can and may are all synonyms in government orders. Will, must and shall are all synonyms in government orders.

All of this avoids the actual data though and is rather irrelevant.

I dunno about that...

Should is the past tense of shall....

Difference Between Shall and Should | Difference Between

Shall vs Should The basic difference between “shall” and “should” is that “should” is the past tense of “shall.” But when we use these words or modals, the usage is not as simple as using “should” in place of “shall” in the past tense. “Should” is not used in the past tense independently; it has […]

www.differencebetween.net

.

I, on the other hand, DO know about that.

I worked within government regulations and helped write some in the military for over a decade.

 

[FA_Q2]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

Incorrect

The date on that statistic is September 2020. IOW, when the state was directly covering up the actual death rate.

 

[Care4all]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

The ship was for NON COVID patients

That was changed the first week in April, Dummy.

Get educated.

 

[Care4all]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

The ship was for NON COVID patients

That was changed the first week in April, Dummy.

Get educated.

Really? Was it ever used for that?

 

[BS Filter]

Cuomo is a lying dog-faced pony soldier.

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

The ship was for NON COVID patients

That was changed the first week in April, Dummy.

Get educated.

Really? Was it ever used for that?

No. Cuomo refused to use it. He chose to kill old folks instead.

 

[Rigby5]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

Incorrect

The date on that statistic is September 2020. IOW, when the state was directly covering up the actual death rate.

Cuomo told the USNS Comfort to leave NY in August.
All the surplus patients could safely have been transferred there is Cuomo had not told it to leave.

Hospital Ship Comfort Ends NYC COVID-19 Mission After Treating 182 Patients - USNI News

After a nearly-month-long mission helping New York in the COVID-19 pandemic fight, hospital ship USNS Comfort (T-AH-20) will leave its temporary berth – likely for its Virginia homeport – and prepare for a possible assignment elsewhere. Medical teams aboard Comfort, which last month quickly...

news.usni.org

The ship had 1000 bed capacity, and was automatically a perfect isolation ward for covid patients.
It could never be a super spreader because the crew and staff all wore PPEs

 

[Rigby5]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

 

[Care4all]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

 

[FA_Q2]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

Incorrect

The date on that statistic is September 2020. IOW, when the state was directly covering up the actual death rate.

Cuomo told the USNS Comfort to leave NY in August.
All the surplus patients could safely have been transferred there is Cuomo had not told it to leave.

Hospital Ship Comfort Ends NYC COVID-19 Mission After Treating 182 Patients - USNI News

After a nearly-month-long mission helping New York in the COVID-19 pandemic fight, hospital ship USNS Comfort (T-AH-20) will leave its temporary berth – likely for its Virginia homeport – and prepare for a possible assignment elsewhere. Medical teams aboard Comfort, which last month quickly...

news.usni.org

The ship had 1000 bed capacity, and was automatically a perfect isolation ward for covid patients.
It could never be a super spreader because the crew and staff all wore PPEs

?

Did you quote the right post?

This has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

For starters, stop using the fake data supplied by mass murderer Cuomo.

What's fake? I just looked up the data....

And NY State has had 33% of the covid deaths, from nursing home residents...

And on average States are running at 40% of their total covid deaths from nursing home residents.

So why has it been a higher percentage of nursing home deaths, of total covid deaths, in other states??? It makes absolutely no sense? Unless the other States were also sending recovering covid hospital patients as well??? Or, returning hospitalized covid patients to nursing homes did not further spread the disease because the patients were on the waning side of the virus and less infectious??? That still does not explain why a higher percentage of nursing h residents died in states other than NY State?

.....

I am open to the idea that the orders were not as harmful as has been stated but you are using data points that are not relevant. The ratio of people outside of nursing homes to in nursing homes says, quite literally, nothing whatsoever about the impact of the states handling of covid patients in nursing homes.

What would matter is the ratio of total nursing home residents to total that died in nursing homes. The real question is what the actual numbers are as well. Has NY amended the information they put out considering that they have already admitted that they were putting out incorrect information?

I am unaware if they have amended the information or not and that makes any comparison suspect from the get go unless the information has been corrected.

I saw that information earlier on the percent of nursing covid deaths to total nursing home patients earlier..... let me see if I can find it..... might have been an AARP article..... it was a listing by state, and if memory serves, NY State was in the middle of the pack...

I agree with you, nursing homes in most all states, have done a really crappy job on protecting their residents early on and perhaps it is still really bad....

Getting info on nursing homes on covid deaths from various states is like pulling teeth.... I've been looking in to it for the past year....It's near impossible to get information to compare....

I do know we have improved a little.... because the covid nursing resident deaths as a percentage to total covid deaths back in September was 41%, and the latest article I just read is saying it is now 39%.

Jiminey Cricket! 40% of deaths from nursing homes.....!!!! That just ain't right! It's neglect! Imho!!!! First off, the nursing aides working there likely initially brought it in to the nursing homes, or maybe family members visiting relatives in nursing homes? And I had read early on, that the these nursing aides many times work in multiple facilities of the nursing home owner... (usually some corporation.) So those aides, not wearing n95 mask protection properly, or not at all, were spreading it from nursing home to nursing home, unaware that they were even sick because they were asymptomatic, perhaps?

Anyway, if I come across that data on nursing home patient deaths from covid vs total nursing home occupants, I will link it back to your response post here.

why didnt Cuomo send them to the Javits center or the hospital ship that were both equipped to handle thousands of covid patients ...... they sat empty .... he didnt use them because Trump would get credit for sending the military to set up those places for covid patients ...thats it ...thats all there is to it ...the dem was only concerned with politics ...

Read the thread yidnar....
The ship was for NON covid positive patients, not certain on Javitz.....

Plus, they followed CDC and CMS guidelines on their policy.... the nursing homes, May not have....?

Every state that early on, took in returning residents who were sent to the hospital with covid, when they no longer needed hospital care.... it was not just Cuomo...because that was the CDCs guide.... They had to be put in a separate covid ward etc...

Benito's excuse for shoving infected people into nursing homes was to free up beds. He could have sent other patients to the ship and Javitz center to free up beds, Dummy.

And he didn't follow CDC guidelines. I pointed out the glaring difference between "can accept" and "must accept".

Why are you falling for the lies that asswipe is spewing?

His fellow Democrats are now calling for him to be impeached and prosecuted. See my thread.

Sad thing is, even if the people of New York FINALLY listen to the rest of us and dump that asswipe, they probably still won't learn their lesson about electing people like this (and by that, I DO mean "Democrats").

 

[Cecilie1200]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

For starters, stop using the fake data supplied by mass murderer Cuomo.

What's fake? I just looked up the data....

And NY State has had 33% of the covid deaths, from nursing home residents...

And on average States are running at 40% of their total covid deaths from nursing home residents.

So why has it been a higher percentage of nursing home deaths, of total covid deaths, in other states??? It makes absolutely no sense? Unless the other States were also sending recovering covid hospital patients as well??? Or, returning hospitalized covid patients to nursing homes did not further spread the disease because the patients were on the waning side of the virus and less infectious??? That still does not explain why a higher percentage of nursing h residents died in states other than NY State?

Maybe because Killer Cuomo killed a total of 46,235 total citizens, second only to the great state of Kalifornia.....so even though his nursing home total was high, he killed so many others it made his percentage look better.

Oh please spare us from your ignorance on this.... NY State was the first hardest hit state with the new and unknown covid 19 virus. It was hit the hardest because NYC metropolitan Airports bring in more international travelers on business and vacation than any other city in the USA and Europe, where the virus was booming. They got hit hard with the Euro version, spreading like crazy, while unknown to them. Compacted populations in cities, mass transit, packed crowds, makes rapid spread inevitable and coupled with a "silent" spread with asymptomatic people made it invisible....until it was too late.

Other states had advance notice, and Cuomo who had gone thru it ahead of them, for the states to follow and pick and choose from...or learn from....

Keeping crowded subways open and putting sick 23 year olds in elderly care homes helped a tad.

Withholding reports of deaths to the Feds is a Federal crime.

Who got really sick at 23 yrs old, that didn't have a home to go to for recovering at?

That's t plain bull shit!

I'm not defending him on whatever he did with the numbers, don't really know much about it.

This thread however, is not about the numbers.... start another thread.

Bottom line on putting covid patients released from the hospital back in to separate covid wards in to nursing homes was federal guidance that Cuomo's health administrator followed, as Cuomo claimed.

I posted it above, from the federal agency giving the states guidance.

Coumo ordered that all nursing homes take in covid patients----regardless of them being contagious or not. No separate covid wards needed no extra exits either. NURSING HOMES did the best they could to separate the covid infected-----but that did not the spreading in the nursing homes as Cuomo and the other 4 dem governors intended. Cuomo stood to make millions off killing people trying to justify a bail out by the federal government. He's a psychopath as are you CARE---as you lie with no remorse.

May 10, Cuomo took down the march 25 order.

DATE: March 25, 2020 TO: Nursing Home Administrators, Directors of Nursing, and Hospital Discharge Planners FROM: New York State Department of Health COVID-19 has been detected in multiple communities throughout New York State. There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care. As a result, this directive is being issued to clarify expectations for nursing homes (NHs) receiving residents returning from hospitalization and for NHs accepting new admissions. Hospital discharge planning staff and NHs should carefully review this guidance with all staff directly involved in resident admission, transfer, and discharges. During this global health emergency, all NHs must comply with the expedited receipt of residents returning from hospitals to NHs. Residents are deemed appropriate for return to a NH upon a determination by the hospital physician or designee that the resident is medically stable for return. Hospital discharge planners must confirm to the NH, by telephone, that the resident is medically stable for discharge. Comprehensive discharge instructions must be provided by the hospital prior to the transport of a resident to the NH. No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission. Information for healthcare providers on COVID-19 is readily available on the New York State Department of Health public website at https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/information-healthcareproviders. As always, standard precautions must be maintained, and environmental cleaning made a priority, during this public health emergency. Critical personal protective equipment (PPE) needs should be immediately communicated to your local Office of Emergency Management, with the appropriate information provided at the time of request. Requests MUST include: o Type and quantity of PPE by size; o Point of contact at the requesting facility or system; o Delivery location; o Date request is needed to be filled by; AND o Record of pending orders. Thank you for your ongoing support and cooperation in responding to COVID-19. General questions or comments about this advisory can be sent to [email protected].

I've read the NY directive you just posted and it says precisely what I've said, New York FOLLOWED the CDC and CMS guidelines for returning covid residents who were hospitalized...

I HAVE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES

The CDC/CMS guidelines...

Obviously YOU, have failed to READ them! Why is that? Do you enjoy being a pawn for a bunch of liars?


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Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •

You keep posting the same lie. Are you related to Cuomo?

CDC guidelines say you "can" return patients under certain conditions.............Cuomo mandated that nursing homes "MUST" accept China Flu infected people.

Stop trying to push the same debunked lie over and over, liar.

Sorry Charlie!

It says SHOULD as in shall,

NOT

CAN or could.

And yes, under certain CDC guidance for their admission.. a separate covid ward, with separate nursing aid staff etc... WHICH IS IN THE NEW YORK STATE detailed guidelines given to the nursing homes....

So, it was not like NY State created this return of covid residents to nursing homes, all by their lonesome.... They created their NY guidelines from the CDC guideline recommendations.

ALL the other states in the northeast at that time who were saturated with covid cases in their hospitals, set identical guidelines for returning covid residents to nursing homes.

There were problems in NY nursing homes with this....I am not denying that.... some nursing homes were not following the CDC, CMS, or the New York guidelines.....

Should != shall. In government orders those are very different terms.

Should, can and may are all synonyms in government orders. Will, must and shall are all synonyms in government orders.

All of this avoids the actual data though and is rather irrelevant.

As I keep saying, if the CDC really did order that infected and contagious patients be mixed in with nursing home populations, how come other states didn't do it? Either that isn't what the CDC said, or all those other governors who DON'T have insane numbers of nursing home deaths knew enough to disobey. "I was just following orders" is exactly the sort of blind, uncaring crap I would expect from the likes of Cuomo, but it's never been a valid defense, and it isn't now.

 

[Care4all]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

For starters, stop using the fake data supplied by mass murderer Cuomo.

What's fake? I just looked up the data....

And NY State has had 33% of the covid deaths, from nursing home residents...

And on average States are running at 40% of their total covid deaths from nursing home residents.

So why has it been a higher percentage of nursing home deaths, of total covid deaths, in other states??? It makes absolutely no sense? Unless the other States were also sending recovering covid hospital patients as well??? Or, returning hospitalized covid patients to nursing homes did not further spread the disease because the patients were on the waning side of the virus and less infectious??? That still does not explain why a higher percentage of nursing h residents died in states other than NY State?

Maybe because Killer Cuomo killed a total of 46,235 total citizens, second only to the great state of Kalifornia.....so even though his nursing home total was high, he killed so many others it made his percentage look better.

Oh please spare us from your ignorance on this.... NY State was the first hardest hit state with the new and unknown covid 19 virus. It was hit the hardest because NYC metropolitan Airports bring in more international travelers on business and vacation than any other city in the USA and Europe, where the virus was booming. They got hit hard with the Euro version, spreading like crazy, while unknown to them. Compacted populations in cities, mass transit, packed crowds, makes rapid spread inevitable and coupled with a "silent" spread with asymptomatic people made it invisible....until it was too late.

Other states had advance notice, and Cuomo who had gone thru it ahead of them, for the states to follow and pick and choose from...or learn from....

Keeping crowded subways open and putting sick 23 year olds in elderly care homes helped a tad.

Withholding reports of deaths to the Feds is a Federal crime.

Who got really sick at 23 yrs old, that didn't have a home to go to for recovering at?

That's t plain bull shit!

I'm not defending him on whatever he did with the numbers, don't really know much about it.

This thread however, is not about the numbers.... start another thread.

Bottom line on putting covid patients released from the hospital back in to separate covid wards in to nursing homes was federal guidance that Cuomo's health administrator followed, as Cuomo claimed.

I posted it above, from the federal agency giving the states guidance.

Coumo ordered that all nursing homes take in covid patients----regardless of them being contagious or not. No separate covid wards needed no extra exits either. NURSING HOMES did the best they could to separate the covid infected-----but that did not the spreading in the nursing homes as Cuomo and the other 4 dem governors intended. Cuomo stood to make millions off killing people trying to justify a bail out by the federal government. He's a psychopath as are you CARE---as you lie with no remorse.

May 10, Cuomo took down the march 25 order.

DATE: March 25, 2020 TO: Nursing Home Administrators, Directors of Nursing, and Hospital Discharge Planners FROM: New York State Department of Health COVID-19 has been detected in multiple communities throughout New York State. There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care. As a result, this directive is being issued to clarify expectations for nursing homes (NHs) receiving residents returning from hospitalization and for NHs accepting new admissions. Hospital discharge planning staff and NHs should carefully review this guidance with all staff directly involved in resident admission, transfer, and discharges. During this global health emergency, all NHs must comply with the expedited receipt of residents returning from hospitals to NHs. Residents are deemed appropriate for return to a NH upon a determination by the hospital physician or designee that the resident is medically stable for return. Hospital discharge planners must confirm to the NH, by telephone, that the resident is medically stable for discharge. Comprehensive discharge instructions must be provided by the hospital prior to the transport of a resident to the NH. No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission. Information for healthcare providers on COVID-19 is readily available on the New York State Department of Health public website at https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/information-healthcareproviders. As always, standard precautions must be maintained, and environmental cleaning made a priority, during this public health emergency. Critical personal protective equipment (PPE) needs should be immediately communicated to your local Office of Emergency Management, with the appropriate information provided at the time of request. Requests MUST include: o Type and quantity of PPE by size; o Point of contact at the requesting facility or system; o Delivery location; o Date request is needed to be filled by; AND o Record of pending orders. Thank you for your ongoing support and cooperation in responding to COVID-19. General questions or comments about this advisory can be sent to [email protected].

I've read the NY directive you just posted and it says precisely what I've said, New York FOLLOWED the CDC and CMS guidelines for returning covid residents who were hospitalized...

I HAVE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES

The CDC/CMS guidelines...

Obviously YOU, have failed to READ them! Why is that? Do you enjoy being a pawn for a bunch of liars?


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Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •

You keep posting the same lie. Are you related to Cuomo?

CDC guidelines say you "can" return patients under certain conditions.............Cuomo mandated that nursing homes "MUST" accept China Flu infected people.

Stop trying to push the same debunked lie over and over, liar.

Sorry Charlie!

It says SHOULD as in shall,

NOT

CAN or could.

And yes, under certain CDC guidance for their admission.. a separate covid ward, with separate nursing aid staff etc... WHICH IS IN THE NEW YORK STATE detailed guidelines given to the nursing homes....

So, it was not like NY State created this return of covid residents to nursing homes, all by their lonesome.... They created their NY guidelines from the CDC guideline recommendations.

ALL the other states in the northeast at that time who were saturated with covid cases in their hospitals, set identical guidelines for returning covid residents to nursing homes.

There were problems in NY nursing homes with this....I am not denying that.... some nursing homes were not following the CDC, CMS, or the New York guidelines.....

Should != shall. In government orders those are very different terms.

Should, can and may are all synonyms in government orders. Will, must and shall are all synonyms in government orders.

All of this avoids the actual data though and is rather irrelevant.

As I keep saying, if the CDC really did order that infected and contagious patients be mixed in with nursing home populations, how come other states didn't do it? Either that isn't what the CDC said, or all those other governors who DON'T have insane numbers of nursing home deaths knew enough to disobey. "I was just following orders" is exactly the sort of blind, uncaring crap I would expect from the likes of Cuomo, but it's never been a valid defense, and it isn't now.

the cdc didn't order covid patients discharged from hospitals be mixed in with nursing home residents, and NEITHER did the State of New York/Cuomo.

The CDC and NY said the discharged covid residents from hospitals should be returned to nursing homes in to a COVID ward, SEPARATE from nursing home residents.....they had to be isolated in this ward, away from nursing home residents for a minimum of 14days, and with no symptoms can be put back in to the nursing home population....and return to their resident room that they had before they caught covid and was hospitalized, if they had one.

 

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The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?