D-Tlaib: ""There’s always kind of a calming feeling, I tell folks, when I think of the Holocaust"

[Slade3200]

Do you really think her statement said that the holocaust gives her a calming feeling?

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?




Let me help.....here is her 'ancestor,' the Grand Mufti with his pal:


The archives of the National Library of Israel have revealed another document that attests to a connection between Nazi Germany and Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini.

• The document in question is a letter of praise sent by head of the SS, Heinrich Himmler, to the Palestinian leader in the autumn of 1943 at the height of the extermination of Jews in Europe.

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Himmler and the Mufti shaking hands




"To the Grand Mufti Amin al-Husseini. The National-Socialist movement of greater Germany has made its fight against world Jewry a guiding principle since its very beginning. For that reason it has been closely following the battle of freedom-seeking Arabs—and especially in Palestine—against the Jewish invaders," wrote the SS commander.



Himmler continued, saying, "The joint recognition of the enemy, and the joint battle against him are what creates the firm allegiance between Germany and freedom-seeking Muslims all over the world."



Himmler ended the letter with congratulations to the Mufti, saying, "In this spirit, I am happy to wish you on the first anniversary of the Balfour Declaration, warm wishes for the continuation of your battle until the big victory."





Now.....who would be a better Democrat, Himmler or the Mufti????

Or you?

Why can’t you make a direct concise response? I don’t read all your copy and paste word pollution BS.

I sense a palpable fear on your part.

My day is complete.

What is it you think I’m scared of?

 

[WEATHER53]

Were are the lies?

Is Tlaib a Democrat?

Is she an anti-Semite?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Do you really think her statement said that the holocaust gives her a calming feeling?

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

We say that because she said that

 

[Slade3200]

Do you really think her statement said that the holocaust gives her a calming feeling?

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

What point was she trying to make? What exactly calms her?

Do you really think it was the holocaust? It’s pretty plan as day if you read her statement. What do you think it is?

 

[Faun]

Nope, not bullshit. Might even be the most accurate post I've made all day.

You claim to be Jewish and like Tlaib. This is rich.

Sadly, you prove once again that you're crazy. I never said I liked her. I don't know that much about her. What I said was that I support her and by that I"m speaking in terms of this latest comment of hers. I agree with YOUR link, the right is spinning her words out of context.

Problem is that this is not her first time dissing Jews

So you say, but you're fucked in the head, so I can't really go by what you say, now can I?

If she has made anti-Semitic comments in the past, that's fucked up and shamed on her. But what she said yesterday was not anti-Semitic and her words were spun by the right to make her comment appear anti-Semitic. Clearer minds see through that.

Am I? LMAO You're the one with the weird avatar.

Her nickname is Rashida Taliban for a reason.

That may be what some fringe righties call her, but they're saddled with the intellect of a 4 year old and think Obama's name is "Obummer" and think his wife is a dude. So I can't go by that either.

And what's so weird about my avatar? Robert Mueller is a great American who I respect. Maybe you're confusing my avatar with yours?

 

[Slade3200]

Do you really think her statement said that the holocaust gives her a calming feeling?

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

We say that because she said that

If that’s what you think then you are a complete idiot. You’re doing the same thing the Left did to Trump with his “good people on both sides” statement. Grow up

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

What point was she trying to make? What exactly calms her?

Do you really think it was the holocaust? It’s pretty plan as day if you read her statement. What do you think it is?

I listened to it multiple times. I can't tell what she meant.

 

[Faun]

Do you really think her statement said that the holocaust gives her a calming feeling?

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?




Let me help.....here is her 'ancestor,' the Grand Mufti with his pal:


The archives of the National Library of Israel have revealed another document that attests to a connection between Nazi Germany and Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini.

• The document in question is a letter of praise sent by head of the SS, Heinrich Himmler, to the Palestinian leader in the autumn of 1943 at the height of the extermination of Jews in Europe.

Himmler and the Mufti shaking hands" titlecredit="" style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-left: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; position: relative;">


Himmler and the Mufti shaking hands




"To the Grand Mufti Amin al-Husseini. The National-Socialist movement of greater Germany has made its fight against world Jewry a guiding principle since its very beginning. For that reason it has been closely following the battle of freedom-seeking Arabs—and especially in Palestine—against the Jewish invaders," wrote the SS commander.



Himmler continued, saying, "The joint recognition of the enemy, and the joint battle against him are what creates the firm allegiance between Germany and freedom-seeking Muslims all over the world."



Himmler ended the letter with congratulations to the Mufti, saying, "In this spirit, I am happy to wish you on the first anniversary of the Balfour Declaration, warm wishes for the continuation of your battle until the big victory."





Now.....who would be a better Democrat, Himmler or the Mufti????

Or you?

Why can’t you make a direct concise response? I don’t read all your copy and paste word pollution BS.

I sense a palpable fear on your part.

My day is complete.

You should get out more.

 

[WEATHER53]

There’s always kind of a calming feeling I tell folks when I think of the Holocaust, and the tragedy of the Holocaust, and the fact that it was my ancestors — Palestinians — who lost their land and some lost their lives, their livelihood, their human dignity, their existence in many ways, have been wiped out, and some people’s passports. And just all of it was in the name of trying to create a safe haven for Jews, post-the Holocaust, post-the tragedy and the horrific persecution of Jews across the world at that time. And I love the fact that it was my ancestors that provided that, right, in many ways. But they did it in a way that took their human dignity away and it was forced on them.

(Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib)




Shall I make the lie larger, or do you get it?


BTW.....is she a Democrat in good standing?

Is she an anti-Semite?

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

We say that because she said that

If that’s what you think then you are a complete idiot. You’re doing the same thing the Left did to Trump with his “good people on both sides” statement. Grow up

The statement is here word for word multiple times. She uses the word calming as it relates to her sentiments regarding Palestinian efforts toward Jews during the Holocaust. No amount of emotional rebuttal name calling from you can change that Fact.
If Mueller has been as clear, precise and concise then no one would be taking about Barr.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

How many times do you have to be told, Sobieski?

Palestinian Jews were Jewish inhabitants of Palestine (known in Hebrew as Eretz Israel, the "Land of Israel") prior to the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

Like Native Americans lived before White Americans?

People should have rights to the land they live on.
You think otherwise as a Zionist.

1. The Indians were not 'native.'

2. Those stone-age savages had no concept of ownership of land, or of capitalism, before the European settlers taught them.

3. There is no comparison with Zionist or the indigenous Jews of Israel.

You're a bigoted dunce.

The Native Americans are indigenous.

When are you giving up your house to them?

Instead you support Jewish indigenous rights, because you're a hypocrite Zionist.

If Native Americans tomorrow possessed the military resources and manpower to stage a revanchist campaign in the United States, then they are wholly within their moral rights to do so.

Just as the Jews were in Palestine in 1948.

You're just jealous that the Jews actually succeeded and managed to pull it off.

God's laws of karma are always in effect. It's poetic and beautiful, even when it isn't.

I'm calling bull.
The majority of the land who've lived there long enough to create a cultural aspiration, should have rights.

White Americans like Palestinians are unique cultural identities enough to ultimately give them rights to the lands they live on.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Yes.....but they settled a barren land.

Not the same as 1492 and beyond.

Who did????


The stone-age savages made the land barren.

They were simply savages.

These were stone age peoples, thousands of years behind the advancement of the European settlers. They moved from one locale to another, using up resources, burning down entire forests, and slaughtering species to the point of extinction.


American Indians were almost certainly responsible for the extinction of many large mammal species:
Until ten thousand years ago an incredible bestiary of mammals roamed North America. These were the so-called mega-fauna, an exotic menagerie that included the woolly mammoth, saber-toothed tiger, giant sloth, giant beaver, camel, horse, two-toed horse,and dire wolf. These were the dominant fauna on this continent for tens of millions of years. Then suddenly and mysteriously they disappeared.
Alton Chase, "Playing God In Yellowstone," p. 100


"The Vore buffalo jump site in Wyoming...was used five times between 1550 and 1690,and holds the remains of 20,000 buffalo. That means 4,000 or more buffalo were killed each time the jump was used. Other buffalo jumps in the West display the remains of as many as 300,000 buffalo. These sites were so numerous, in fact, and held such large deposits of bone, that for many years they were mined as a source of phosphorus for fertilizer!"
Frison, G.C., "Prehistoric Hunters of the High Plains," pp.239-44

Yes.....but they settled a barren land.

Not the same as 1492 and beyond.

Who did????


The stone-age savages made the land barren.

They were simply savages.

These were stone age peoples, thousands of years behind the advancement of the European settlers. They moved from one locale to another, using up resources, burning down entire forests, and slaughtering species to the point of extinction.


American Indians were almost certainly responsible for the extinction of many large mammal species:
Until ten thousand years ago an incredible bestiary of mammals roamed North America. These were the so-called mega-fauna, an exotic menagerie that included the woolly mammoth, saber-toothed tiger, giant sloth, giant beaver, camel, horse, two-toed horse,and dire wolf. These were the dominant fauna on this continent for tens of millions of years. Then suddenly and mysteriously they disappeared.
Alton Chase, "Playing God In Yellowstone," p. 100


"The Vore buffalo jump site in Wyoming...was used five times between 1550 and 1690,and holds the remains of 20,000 buffalo. That means 4,000 or more buffalo were killed each time the jump was used. Other buffalo jumps in the West display the remains of as many as 300,000 buffalo. These sites were so numerous, in fact, and held such large deposits of bone, that for many years they were mined as a source of phosphorus for fertilizer!"
Frison, G.C., "Prehistoric Hunters of the High Plains," pp.239-44

Thanks Miss.

But I’m more curious to know which race or community of humans they conquered to take possession of the hemisphere.

Not how many trees they cut down.

I'll say it again....verrrrrryyyy sloooooowly:


The Indians moved from Asia via what was then a land bridge.
They were settlers to this continent as were the Europeans.


Hence...not 'native.'

They destroyed resources, burned down forests to more easily see their prey....and then moved on to another venue.

Land was not a 'possession' to Indians.....until the Europeans brought capitalism, and taught them the value of the land.

They were three thousand years behind the Europeans in understanding.

Get it?

Whether land was a coveted concept, thought of as a possession or not is immaterial.

They lost vast territories as a consequence of losing wars to a technologically superior force.

My point is this: If tomorrow they had the means or military might to redress and recoup the lands they conceded in the wars lost (not lands which were sold) in the 19th century....they are morally justified to do so.

Same as the Jews in Palestine being justified to do what they did in 1948. The Nakba is a hoax.

OMG!!!!



How could they 'lose' what they never owned????????



On the other hand....you are perfectly correct about Jews and the Nakba.

The two situations are not comparable.....the Jews bought the land.

Jews were semi-Nomadic in the Middle-East, and Europe too.

So, by your logic, Jews aren't owed, or didn't own Israel, and have no rights to it.

You're not very good at this.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If Native Americans tomorrow possessed the military resources and manpower to stage a revanchist campaign in the United States, then they are wholly within their moral rights to do so.

Just as the Jews were in Palestine in 1948.

You're just jealous that the Jews actually succeeded and managed to pull it off.

God's laws of karma are always in effect. It's poetic and beautiful, even when it isn't.

What nonsense......you must be a government school grad. Have you ever read a book?
Do you know what a book is?????



1. Did the colonists steal THEIR land?

"The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property,and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guiltmasquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



3. And because they had no concept of private property, Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.

I’m not discussing transactional exchanges and land acquisitions.

I speak strictly of the wars of conquest and the lands annexed or incorporated as a result. The Indian wars.

PS: you don’t need to have a concept of private property to protest the idea of being uprooted from your original land base/ forcibly made to move elsewhere.

They weren't 'uprooted,' you dunce.

They migrated from one place to another, and slaughtered any in their way.


"Many thousands of years before Christopher Columbus’ ships landed in the Bahamas, a different group of people discovered America: the nomadic ancestors of modern Native Americans who hiked over a “land bridge” from Asia to what is now Alaska more than 12,000 years ago. In fact, by the time European adventurers arrived in the 15th century A.D., scholars estimate that more than 50 million people were already living in the Americas. Of these, some 10 million lived in the area that would become the United States. As time passed, these migrants and their descendants ....."
https://www.history.com/topics/native-american-history/native-american-cultures



I bet some nice adult will help you get a library card......




BTW......Go Rangers!!!

It's funny how white people claim they 'discovered America'. We Native Americans already living here had no idea you people thought it was 'lost'. And 'OBTW', Leif Ericson and the Vikings had 'discovered' America (not the Bahamas) long before Chris landed there, enslaved most of the population and killed many more off with the introduction of their 'foreign' diseases'. (Personally I think 'Columbus Day' should be replaced with 'Leif Ericson Day - who would not rather run around drinking, 'raping, pillaging, and plundering' and wearing Viking horns?!)

There were no 'native' American.

My ancestors wandered over from Asia.




"killed many more off with the introduction of their 'foreign' diseases'."

The diseases were an accident of nature, as was the Bubonic Plague of Europe, which came from North Africa.

In neither case was it planned.

Yeah, over 10,000 years ago Native Americans came in from Asia. (Rolls eyes)

How far are we going back?

If we go back 60,000 years, then we probably all as Eurasians migrated from Ethiopia.

Wow, deport all Eurasians back to Ethiopia.
or'
how about trying to claim Ethiopia, because 60,000 years ago..

Oh my goodness, talk about a stretch.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Like Native Americans lived before White Americans?

People should have rights to the land they live on.
You think otherwise as a Zionist.

1. The Indians were not 'native.'

2. Those stone-age savages had no concept of ownership of land, or of capitalism, before the European settlers taught them.

3. There is no comparison with Zionist or the indigenous Jews of Israel.

You're a bigoted dunce.

The Native Americans are indigenous.

When are you giving up your house to them?

Instead you support Jewish indigenous rights, because you're a hypocrite Zionist.

If Native Americans tomorrow possessed the military resources and manpower to stage a revanchist campaign in the United States, then they are wholly within their moral rights to do so.

Just as the Jews were in Palestine in 1948.

You're just jealous that the Jews actually succeeded and managed to pull it off.

God's laws of karma are always in effect. It's poetic and beautiful, even when it isn't.

What nonsense......you must be a government school grad. Have you ever read a book?
Do you know what a book is?????



1. Did the colonists steal THEIR land?

"The implications for the Indian question are straightforward. Namely: In the extremely unlikely event that any particular Indian can show that he personally is the rightful heir of a particular Indian who was wrongfully dispossessed of a particular piece of property, the current occupants should hand him the keys to his birthright and vacate the premises. Otherwise the current occupants have the morally strongest claim to their property,and the status quo should continue.

Anything more is just the doctrine of collective guiltmasquerading as a defense of property rights."
Do Indians Rightfully Own America Bryan Caplan EconLog Library of Economics and Liberty




2. "One popular history of Manhattan notes that the Canarsie Indians "dwelt on Long Island, merely trading on Manhattan, and their trickery [in selling what they didn't possess to the Dutch] made it necessary for the white man to buy part of the island over again from the tribes living near Washington Heights. Still more crafty were the Raritans of [Staten Island], for therecords show that Staten Island was sold by these Indians no less than six times."
The Straight Dope How much would the 24 paid for Manhattan be worth in today s money


1626 Peter Minuit purchased the island of Manhattan from the Canarsee Native Americans on May 24, 1626. However, the Canarsee were actually native to Brooklyn, while Manhattan was home instead to the Weckquaesgeek,(Wappnai) who were not pleased by the exchange and later battled the Dutch in Kieft's War. Peter Minuit (1589-1638)



3. And because they had no concept of private property, Indians regularly killed the animals that they hunted to the point of extinction.

As stated, those Indians didn't even own that land...

What a scummy thing to say.

Playing on Native American Egalitarianism, to say they don't deserve land.

Talk about scumbags, Zionists never cease to amaze in their brutish mentality.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Thanks Miss.

But I’m more curious to know which race or community of humans they conquered to take possession of the hemisphere.

Not how many trees they cut down.

I'll say it again....verrrrrryyyy sloooooowly:


The Indians moved from Asia via what was then a land bridge.
They were settlers to this continent as were the Europeans.


Hence...not 'native.'

They destroyed resources, burned down forests to more easily see their prey....and then moved on to another venue.

Land was not a 'possession' to Indians.....until the Europeans brought capitalism, and taught them the value of the land.

They were three thousand years behind the Europeans in understanding.

Get it?

Whether land was a coveted concept, thought of as a possession or not is immaterial.

They lost vast territories as a consequence of losing wars to a technologically superior force.

My point is this: If tomorrow they had the means or military might to redress and recoup the lands they conceded in the wars lost (not lands which were sold) in the 19th century....they are morally justified to do so.

Same as the Jews in Palestine being justified to do what they did in 1948. The Nakba is a hoax.

OMG!!!!



How could they 'lose' what they never owned????????



On the other hand....you are perfectly correct about Jews and the Nakba.

The two situations are not comparable.....the Jews bought the land.

The Jews did not buy all of the lands they currently own- or what was to be apportioned to them as part of the British Mandate.

Just look at the map of the partition plan in 1947 and then compare it to the Israeli map at the point of then 1949 Armistice.

The Jews should’ve taken all of it- not because they bought it. But because as Jews they have the legitimate rights as indigenous peoples to the land of Israel. From the river to the sea.

Let's check:


One would expect to see commonplace examples of Jews stealing, strong-arming, swindling, blackmailing; basically resorting to any trick up their sleeve to pry land out of Arab hands. In reality, the Jewish technique of accumulating land was simple ... they bought it. Both the concern and the complaints of Jews dispossessing Arabs centered on how much land the Jews were purchasing, not stealing, from land owners:

• The British investigation into the Arab riots during 1936-39 identifies "Arab alarm at the continued Jewish purchase of land"1, not Jewish theft of land, as one of the motivating factors.

• "Conversely, the main Ottoman and Arab complaint against the Zionists was about land sales..."2

• "Meanwhile, Jewish land purchase continued apace, exacerbating Palestinian disquiet."3

• "Arab discontent on account of Jewish immigration and the sale of lands to Jews which has been a permanent feature of political opinion in Palestine for the past ten years, began to show signs of renewed activity from the beginning of 1933, developing in intensity until it reached a climax in the riots of October and November."4

• "In the beginning of the 1930s, the national value of the land and its transfer from one people to the other became one of the main issues in the political conflict between the two communities. The Arabs insisted that His Majesty's Government put an end to land purchase by the Jews, claiming that it threatened their national existence."5

• "Though they had profited from the enhanced trade and employment opportunities generated by the new Jewish settlements, Palestinian Arabs had grown increasingly concerned about the rise of Jewish immigration and land purchases."

6

• "An article published in July 1911 by Mustafa Effendi Tamr, a teacher of mathematics at a Jerusalem school" reads, "You are selling the property of your fathers and grandfathers for a pittance to people who will have no pity on you, to those who will act to expel you and expunge your memory from your habitations and disperse you among the nations. This is a crime that will be recorded in your names in history, a black stain and disgrace that your descendants will bear, which will not be expunged even after years and eras have gone by. ... Opposition to land sales was one of the principal focal points around which the Arab national idea in Palestine coalesced."

7

• "Of course, the Zionists bought the land from Arab landholders, who moved to cities or even left the country. They were all too willing to sell, for the price paid by the purchasers was often many times more than anyone else would or could pay."

32

• King Abdallah of Jordan complains several times in his memoirs about Jews acquiring land in Palestine. Not once does he accuse the Jews of stealing it from the Arabs. Each time he mentions it, the complaint is how much land they are buying:
  • "... the fears of the Arab political leaders are supported by the fact that the sale of land continues unrestricted and every day one piece of land after another is torn from the hands of the Arabs.

8

• "According to my information the Jews have requested the continuance of the mandate so that they can buy up more land and bring in additional immigrants. No other country has gone through such a trial as Palestine."

9

• "Or are you among those who believe that there is no harm in continuing the present deleterious mandate despite the Jewish usurpers it has brought and despite the demonstrated inability of those Palestinians now at the political helm to prevent their compatriots from selling their land? Furthermore, it is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping."

10

• "‘Know each of you that in the end every Arab who sells land of the Arab patrimony or who pimps for the Jews will soon receive his due, which is certain death.’ The placards were signed by an organization calling itself ‘Revenge.’ ‘Our problem is the outcome of the sale of our land. The amazing thing is that we sell to the Jews and then scream and wail and ask for the government’s help,’"11

• "The land policy of the Zionist movement in the pre-state era was based on purchase of land on the open market by Jewish institutions (mainly the JNF) and subsequent freezing of the ownership so as to ensure that the purchased land would be in Jewish hands in perpetuity."33

Not only was the land being legally purchased, it was being purchased at drastically inflated prices. Arab land owners were making a killing selling their land during the waves of Jewish immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the animosity against selling land to Jews coming from elitist Arabs, it simply made good economic sense for landlords to sell while they could exploit the thriving market Jewish demand was creating. Sometimes the land being purchased was nothing more than sand dune, malarial swamps and marshes, or other unattractive plots of waste. Even so, it was payday for many landlords; a day many hadn't seen in a long time and one that wouldn't come again:

• "Until 1936 ... the Jews acquired about 25,000 dunam in the Beit-Shean Valley ... The soil was of the poorest quality, in scattered parcels of land, and it was impossible to establish even one settlement on it. The Jewish purchasers paid the full price for these lands; in addition the Government compelled them to cover all the outstanding debts that the sellers had accumulated. (In most cases not one penny of these bad debts had been paid for years.)"12

• "The Jewish authorities have nothing with which to reproach themselves in the matter of the Sursock lands. They paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."13

• "He [the Arab] may sell his land for a fantastic price and add to the congestion in the other zones by moving there. An Arab living a short distance away, just across the zone boundary, cannot obtain anything approximating the same sum for land of equal quality.”14

• "The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. “In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."15

• "The settlers were ready to pay much more than the economic value of the land. The same or better land is available a few kilometers to the east or north of the Palestine frontiers at one tenth or less of the Palestinian price."16

• “Between 1880 and 1914 over sixty thousand Jews entered Palestine … Many settled on wasteland, sand-dunes and malarial marsh, which they then drained, irrigated and farmed. In 1909 a group of Jews founded the first entirely Jewish town, Tel Aviv, on the sandhills north of Jaffa. The Jews purchased their land piecemeal, from European, Turkish and (principally) Arab landlords, mostly at extremely high prices.”17

• “By 1925 over 2,600 Jews had settled in the [Jezreel] valley, and 3,000 acres of barren hillside had been afforested. This previously uncultivated land, bought at highly inflated prices, became the pattern of all subsequent Jewish National Fund settlements in Palestine.”18

• "In his 'note of reservations' to the Report of the Woodhead Commission, Sir Alison Russel says: 'It does not appear to me that to permit an Arab to sell his land for three or four times its value, and to go with the money to a different part of the Arab world where land is cheap, can be said to "prejudice" his rights and position.'"19

• "The average price paid by Jews for the rural land they bought in Palestine during 1944 amounted to over $1000 per acre or about $250 per dunam (including the value of buildings, orchards and other improvements). These prices are, of course, highly inflated …"20

• "... land brokers sometimes purchased their shares or parcels at a very low price and sold them at ten and twenty multiples to Jewish buyers. Peasants who were in musha' villages were particularly incensed at landlords, land brokers, or agents after learning that they had been swindled."21

• "Aharon Danin of KKL told of an interesting conversation he had at the beginning of the 1940s with Khaled Zu’bi (brother of Sayf al-Din), who helped him buy land in the Zu’biyya villages east of Nazareth: He [Zu’bi] said, ‘Look, who knows better than me that your work is pure. You pay money for everything, top dollar, many times more than what the land is worth. But that doesn’t change the fact that you are dispossessing us. You are dispossessing us with money, not by force, but the fact is that we are leaving the land.’ I say to him: ‘You are from this Zu’biyya tribe which is located here, in Transjordan, and in Syria, what difference does it make to you where you are, if you are here or if you and your family are there? …’ He said: ‘It’s hard for me to tell you, but in any case the graves of my forefathers are here. I feel that we are leaving this place. It’s our fault and not yours.’"30

Footnotes:
1 Great Britain, and William Robert Wellesley Peel Peel. Palestine Royal Commission Report. London: H.M. Stationery Office, 1937.
2 Western Imperialism in the Middle East 1914 - 1958 by D. K. Fieldhouse, Pg. 125
3 Palestine and Israel: The Uprising and Beyond by David McDowall, Pg. 23
4 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
5 "The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine" by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 199.
6 Oren, Michael. Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the PresentPg. 368
7 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 45
8 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 81. In a letter written to the High Commissioner for Transjordan, Sir Arthur Wauchope on July 25, 1934.
9 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pg. 88. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
10 King Abdallah of Jordan, My Memoirs Completed (Al-Takmilah), Pp. 88-89. In a letter written to 'Abd al-Hamid Sa'id on June 5, 1938.
11 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 219-220.
12 Avneri, Aryeh L. The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs 1878-1948. Efal, Israel: Yad Tabenkin, 1982. 168.
13 Hope Simpson Report, Pg. 51
14 Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Chapter I
15 Bard, Mitchell G. Myths and Facts: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict. 2006. 19.
16 Jewish Colonisataion and Arab Development in Palestine by David Horowitz, Central Zionist Archives, Record Group S90/File 76, 7 October 1945
17 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 3.
18 Gilbert, Martin, and Martin Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. London: Routledge, 2002. 12.
19 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 101
20 Schechtman, Joseph B. Population Transfers in Asia. New York: Hallsby Press, 1949. 112
21 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
22 Stein, Kenneth W. One Hundred Years of Social Change: The Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem. 1991.
23 Report by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the Council of the League of Nations of the Administration of Palestine and Trans-Jordan, 31 December 1933
24 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 197.
25 The Tenants of Wadi Hawarith: Another View of the Land Question in Palestine by Raya Adler,International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 20, No. 2. (May, 1988), pg. 215.
26 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 14
27 Morris, Benny. 1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War. New Haven [Conn.]: Yale University Press, 2008 83
28 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 225.
29 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 173.
30 Cohen, Hillel. Army of Shadows: Palestinian Collaboration with Zionism, 1917-1948. Berkeley: University of California Press, 2008. 200.


Middle East Piece - Jewish Land Purchase and Dispossession

Jews never owned the majority of Israel, Arabs owned more land.
FACT.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Enough of the pathetic defense of this anti-Semitic terrorist-supporting revisionist historian.

Tlaib attempted to sell a truckload of make-believe bullshit.

Not only was everything she said historically inaccurate, the claim that the Palestinians sacrificed in the name of attempting to create a safe haven for the Jews was a lie. Palestinian leaders actually sided with Hitler and had an historic hand in the attempted genocide of the Jews.

There is no defense of this. Even liberal news media CNN blasted Tlaib for her anti-Semitic revisionist history!

And despite this, after inviting an anti-Semitic Muslim to give an opening prayer, Pelosi - and Hoyer - demanded the President apologize to Tlaib.

After giving such an insane account of revisionist history, Tlaib should apologize to the entire world.

Once again, the Democrats have demonstrated to the world that they continue to embrace growing alarming anti-Semitism.

There should be a apology. The fact is that you and Trump are liars. You made a false accusation against her by taking her words out of context. To you anyone who questions the crooked Netanyahu is a anti-Semite. You have every right to disagree with Netanyahu.

Here's the party you support:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.




Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

And looking at the regressive in this thread defending that piece of filth just drives home that fact.

If Trump can rag on Mexicans bringing in criminals, then why can't Tliab rag on Jews for Zionist colonialism?

It's a one way street with you maniacs, isn't it?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

Great, more conservative derangement. She never said Arabs voluntarily gave save haven to Jews. She said it was "forced" on her ancestors.

The fact that they were forced is what gave her the calming feeling?

No, that they had a place of safe haven, even though it was forced on her ancestors.

Her ancestors were screwed, but at least the Jews got a safe haven?

Your relatives, Zee Germans are the ones who did the Holocaust, not Palestinians.

 

[Slade3200]

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

What point was she trying to make? What exactly calms her?

Do you really think it was the holocaust? It’s pretty plan as day if you read her statement. What do you think it is?

I listened to it multiple times. I can't tell what she meant.

The calmness came from the actions of her people, not from the holocaust. It isn’t complicated. Simple English.

 

[Slade3200]

Why are you avoiding the question? It’s very simple. Do you think she said the holocaust gave her a calming effect? Yes or No

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

We say that because she said that

If that’s what you think then you are a complete idiot. You’re doing the same thing the Left did to Trump with his “good people on both sides” statement. Grow up

The statement is here word for word multiple times. She uses the word calming as it relates to her sentiments regarding Palestinian efforts toward Jews during the Holocaust. No amount of emotional rebuttal name calling from you can change that Fact.

Yes thank you! She was talking about how her people acted towards the Jews. She wasn’t calmed by the holocaust which is how dopes like the OP are trying to spin it.

 

[busybee01]

Enough of the pathetic defense of this anti-Semitic terrorist-supporting revisionist historian.

Tlaib attempted to sell a truckload of make-believe bullshit.

Not only was everything she said historically inaccurate, the claim that the Palestinians sacrificed in the name of attempting to create a safe haven for the Jews was a lie. Palestinian leaders actually sided with Hitler and had an historic hand in the attempted genocide of the Jews.

There is no defense of this. Even liberal news media CNN blasted Tlaib for her anti-Semitic revisionist history!

And despite this, after inviting an anti-Semitic Muslim to give an opening prayer, Pelosi - and Hoyer - demanded the President apologize to Tlaib.

After giving such an insane account of revisionist history, Tlaib should apologize to the entire world.

Once again, the Democrats have demonstrated to the world that they continue to embrace growing alarming anti-Semitism.

There should be a apology. The fact is that you and Trump are liars. You made a false accusation against her by taking her words out of context. To you anyone who questions the crooked Netanyahu is a anti-Semite. You have every right to disagree with Netanyahu.

Here's the party you support:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.




Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.

I don't support either party. However your post is garbage. Republicans have managed to alienate Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, better educated voters, and women to name a few groups they have alienated.

You have Republicans moving to the far right by criminalizing abortion and what is so sad is we have male legislators telling a woman what she can do with her body. Falwell shuts down anybody who is against Trump. There is no evidence any illegals have voted. Opposing Netanyahu is not anti-Semitism.

You are a garbage right wing Trump supporter and Americans are sick of Trump.

1. I said nothing about 'alienating' anyone. I said this:

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

You didn't deny it....yet you said you don't support either party. You must be a fool, huh?


2. "You have Republicans moving to the far right by criminalizing abortion.."
Obviously you support murder and infanticide...

There is no way to separate abortion from infanticide for this reason: what if a child is born as a result of an unsuccessful attempted abortion?


And, as several states now allow abortion up to the moment of birth,… “The state of New York recently passed a horrific new abortion law removing almost all previous restrictions. The law now allows abortions to be performed up to the point of natural birth by physicians and also by some non-physician health care practitioners. It also removes protections for babies who accidentally survive an abortion procedure.” New York abortion law changes allow infanticide



"7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York"
7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York

…..the result of what happens to that child is included here:


“The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.”

infanticide | Definition of infanticide in English by Oxford Dictionaries




There is no dancing around it. It is infanticide.


3. There is no Far Right in this nation.....I'd be happy to prove it.

1. The Republican Party is anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic, anti anyone but white males. The party is sympathetic to white supremacists and neo-nazis. They will support men who sexually harass women and even men who sexually assault women.

2. You have right wing extremists who support heartbeat bills. There is no evidence that a fetal heartbeat is a sign of a life. You people want to criminalize abortion. Ultimately it is a woman's right to do as she fits with her body. You do not end abortion by making it illegal. You end it by reaching out to women and convincing them not to have a abortion. This is a good example of what happens when we fail to have a separation between church and state.

3. The Republican Party has been taken over by the far right or more specifically white supremacists and neo-nazis. Unfortunately the so-called conservatives have sold their soul to the devil aka Trump just to get power.

 

[sparky]

Scum all three of them.

I'd say the count far higher

~S~

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course she did and the fact that she added on a lie about the Arabs giving safe refuge to Jews put an exclamation point on it. However, Tlaib is just another ignorant bigot, what's really troubling is that because of the Democrats' embrace of Identity politics, valuing who someone is above what they say or do, Tlaib and Omar will be protected by the leadership no matter how racist or evil their statements are.

No she didn’t answer my question, she jumped to the false historical claim which is valid criticism but not my point. My gripe is with the low life spinners like the OP trying to dishonestly claim she said the holocaust calms her.

What point was she trying to make? What exactly calms her?

Do you really think it was the holocaust? It’s pretty plan as day if you read her statement. What do you think it is?

I listened to it multiple times. I can't tell what she meant.

The calmness came from the actions of her people, not from the holocaust. It isn’t complicated. Simple English.

Her calm people tried to destroy Israel after they declared statehood and refer to the Nabka.
Neither sounds like a calm reaction to the Jew's safe haven.