DACA--elimination-& the devasting consequences to Social Security & Medicare

[Missouri_Mike]

You could help them out a lot since you aren't native here either. Head back to Africa and get out of the way.

The NA's land I currently occupied were killed off by whites. No one left to take ownership of it except me. I am part NA.

Well if they were killed off fuck it. Let's all just stay.

I dont have an issue with that. My point is that white people should shut up about illegal anything since they are illegals.

Well you were kind of shipped in uninvited as well weren't you?

This is true. However since I now have NA blood I'm not as illegal as you are.

Since you now have? WTF did you do go to the Elizabeth Warren school of high cheekbones for fake Indian status?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well I'm in my 50's and government has spent every last dime I have paid into Social Security and Medicare, they also spent every last dime my employer paid on my behalf. WTF seems an appropriate response.

What about your 401ks and your IRA's?

What about them? We are discussing how the federal government has raided Social Security stealing our money and how they have no way of paying us back. Now they are proposing to cheat us, by raising the retirement age hoping we die before we can collect a dime of our money.

First, it was Ronnie Reagan who turned SS into (basically) a pay as you go program. Second, its republic pols who want to make changes that would further erode SS.

First, it was Ronnie Reagan who turned SS into (basically) a pay as you go program.

When was it not "pay as you go"? Link?

The 1983 SS Amendment to keep the Social Security Trust Fund out of the unified budget. The Reagan Administration kept it in the unified budget.

Thanks.

When was it not "pay as you go"?

 

[Asclepias]

The NA's land I currently occupied were killed off by whites. No one left to take ownership of it except me. I am part NA.

Well if they were killed off fuck it. Let's all just stay.

I dont have an issue with that. My point is that white people should shut up about illegal anything since they are illegals.

Well you were kind of shipped in uninvited as well weren't you?

This is true. However since I now have NA blood I'm not as illegal as you are.

Since you now have? WTF did you do go to the Elizabeth Warren school of high cheekbones for fake Indian status?

Only whites did that. Thats were the term 5 dollar indian came from. They paid other whites to list them as white so they could steal land. Face it. Whites are a piss stain on the underwear of the human race.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Key word "illegals"
dumbfuck

Yes whites were illegal you dumbfuck.

There was no nation so no one was illegal.

There was a nation. Just because whites are trying to make an excuse doesnt change that.

No there wasn't. What the hell are you talking about?

Yes there was. What the hell are you talking about?

What nation? You had a bunch of little tribes warring it out among each other using sticks. They couldn't even figure out the wheel for shit sakes.

 

[basquebromance]

Can't wait for next Trump rally: "And we amnestied the DREAMERs! And we may get lower corporate taxes!" Is there someone else he can pardon?

 

[oreo]

There is nothing more BONE-HEADED to me, than sending kids that grew up here, and were educated here to a foreign country so they can stimulate the economy there (not here) to pay taxes there (not here.) Keeping in mind that there are dreamers all over this country that are on college campus's and in Universities.

Social Security/Medicare. Back in the 1950's average family size was 4 kids. Over the last several decades family size has been reduced to 2 or less kids. 10K babyboomers are entering social security on a daily basis, and this rate will continue for the next 9 to 10 years. Adding an additional 84 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. One working person is now supporting 3 retirees on borrowed money from China. Social Security/Medicare is the reason we're continually having to raise the debt ceiling. Right now we don't have the younger generation population in this country to support the military.

So your options are:
1. Let Social Security/Medicare go bankrupt.
2 Cut benefits to the bone.
3. Raise the age of eligibility to 75 years old.
4. Means testing (meaning take from the wealthier to give to the poorer)
5. Keep kids that grew up in this country and that were educated in this country (right here) to support these funds, while also paying Federal and State taxes while stimulating the economy.

Reich wingers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer when it comes to economics.

RONALD REAGAN started the biggest and longest lasting economic boom period in this country. What he do differently from other Presidents? With a swipe of a pen he legalized all illegals in this country.

They came out of their hiding places, got real jobs and started paying real taxes. They opened up their own business's and hired other Americans. They bought & built homes, American cars, T.V's and electronics, furniture, appliances. They went to school & paid for college educations. They had no fear. They set off the longest lasting economic boom period in this Nation's history.

If you don't remember what Ronald Reagan was like, you can watch this video from a long time friend and former staffer of Ronald Reagan.


The next serious consquence: Migrant workers are not crossing the border to help farmers bring in their harvests which is now skyrocketing prices on beef, chicken, eggs, milk and fruit and vegi's are rotting on the vine. All due to the hateful rhetoric coming from the Reich wing.
Dairy Farmers Fear Loss Of Labor Under Trump Immigration Actions
Alabama law drives out illegal immigrants but also has unexpected consequences
Maine farmers worry about workers’ future under Trump immigration policy
The shortage of farm workers and your grocery bill

The Republican party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of ignorance, anger, hate, bigotry, & misogyny.

LMAO, like 800,000 are going to make a dent in 84 trillion in unfunded liabilities. You shit don't add up dummy. Ponzi schemes can never sustain themselves.


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Losing them aren't going to make it better dumbass. Right now illegals contribute 4 trillion DOLLARS per year to the GDP. Meaning they're buying American cars, electronics, going to restaurants etc. etc. etc. They buy everything you do. 40% of them own homes in this country. Now imagine what would happen to the American economy if they were all kicked out. The last ones you want to kick out are kids that grew up here and were educated here. Most of them don't even speak Spanish--they grew up in an English world.
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy

 

[impuretrash]

Only whites did that. Thats were the term 5 dollar indian came from. They paid other whites to list them as white so they could steal land. Face it. Whites are a piss stain on the underwear of the human race.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Well if they were killed off fuck it. Let's all just stay.

I dont have an issue with that. My point is that white people should shut up about illegal anything since they are illegals.

Well you were kind of shipped in uninvited as well weren't you?

This is true. However since I now have NA blood I'm not as illegal as you are.

Since you now have? WTF did you do go to the Elizabeth Warren school of high cheekbones for fake Indian status?

Only whites did that. Thats were the term 5 dollar indian came from. They paid other whites to list them as white so they could steal land. Face it. Whites are a piss stain on the underwear of the human race.

Yet you live life thinking we shit on you. Where does that put you on the underwear map?

 

[Asclepias]

Yes whites were illegal you dumbfuck.

There was no nation so no one was illegal.

There was a nation. Just because whites are trying to make an excuse doesnt change that.

No there wasn't. What the hell are you talking about?

Yes there was. What the hell are you talking about?

What nation? You had a bunch of little tribes warring it out among each other using sticks. They couldn't even figure out the wheel for shit sakes.

The one you just mentioned. No one cares what white people consider a nation to be. A wheel is not a requirement of being a nation. You must be pretty illiterate to think so.

 

[Asclepias]

I dont have an issue with that. My point is that white people should shut up about illegal anything since they are illegals.

Well you were kind of shipped in uninvited as well weren't you?

This is true. However since I now have NA blood I'm not as illegal as you are.

Since you now have? WTF did you do go to the Elizabeth Warren school of high cheekbones for fake Indian status?

Only whites did that. Thats were the term 5 dollar indian came from. They paid other whites to list them as white so they could steal land. Face it. Whites are a piss stain on the underwear of the human race.

Yet you live life thinking we shit on you. Where does that put you on the underwear map?

under some assholes?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There is nothing more BONE-HEADED to me, than sending kids that grew up here, and were educated here to a foreign country so they can stimulate the economy there (not here) to pay taxes there (not here.) Keeping in mind that there are dreamers all over this country that are on college campus's and in Universities.

Social Security/Medicare. Back in the 1950's average family size was 4 kids. Over the last several decades family size has been reduced to 2 or less kids. 10K babyboomers are entering social security on a daily basis, and this rate will continue for the next 9 to 10 years. Adding an additional 84 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. One working person is now supporting 3 retirees on borrowed money from China. Social Security/Medicare is the reason we're continually having to raise the debt ceiling. Right now we don't have the younger generation population in this country to support the military.

So your options are:
1. Let Social Security/Medicare go bankrupt.
2 Cut benefits to the bone.
3. Raise the age of eligibility to 75 years old.
4. Means testing (meaning take from the wealthier to give to the poorer)
5. Keep kids that grew up in this country and that were educated in this country (right here) to support these funds, while also paying Federal and State taxes while stimulating the economy.

Reich wingers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer when it comes to economics.

RONALD REAGAN started the biggest and longest lasting economic boom period in this country. What he do differently from other Presidents? With a swipe of a pen he legalized all illegals in this country.

They came out of their hiding places, got real jobs and started paying real taxes. They opened up their own business's and hired other Americans. They bought & built homes, American cars, T.V's and electronics, furniture, appliances. They went to school & paid for college educations. They had no fear. They set off the longest lasting economic boom period in this Nation's history.

If you don't remember what Ronald Reagan was like, you can watch this video from a long time friend and former staffer of Ronald Reagan.


The next serious consquence: Migrant workers are not crossing the border to help farmers bring in their harvests which is now skyrocketing prices on beef, chicken, eggs, milk and fruit and vegi's are rotting on the vine. All due to the hateful rhetoric coming from the Reich wing.
Dairy Farmers Fear Loss Of Labor Under Trump Immigration Actions
Alabama law drives out illegal immigrants but also has unexpected consequences
Maine farmers worry about workers’ future under Trump immigration policy
The shortage of farm workers and your grocery bill

The Republican party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of ignorance, anger, hate, bigotry, & misogyny.

LMAO, like 800,000 are going to make a dent in 84 trillion in unfunded liabilities. You shit don't add up dummy. Ponzi schemes can never sustain themselves.


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Losing them aren't going to make it better dumbass. Right now illegals contribute 4 trillion DOLLARS per year to the GDP. Meaning they're buying American cars, electronics, going to restaurants etc. etc. etc. They buy everything you do. 40% of them own homes in this country. Now imagine what would happen to the American economy if they were all kicked out. The last ones you want to kick out are kids that grew up here and were educated here. Most of them don't even speak Spanish--they grew up in an English world.
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy

How do you figure illegals on welfare stealing identities is producing 25% of our GDP. Are you fucking stupid?

 

[oreo]

What about them? We are discussing how the federal government has raided Social Security stealing our money and how they have no way of paying us back. Now they are proposing to cheat us, by raising the retirement age hoping we die before we can collect a dime of our money.

First, it was Ronnie Reagan who turned SS into (basically) a pay as you go program. Second, its republic pols who want to make changes that would further erode SS.

Your post is a dishonest spun half truth, are you a liberal? Who controlled congress under Reagan? Which branch of government drafts and passes budgets?

Yes, I am a Liberal and funny you should assert who controlled Congress during the Reagan Administration when clearly you don't know.

I stand by my previous post.

Shocker, of course you stand by your spun intentionally dishonest half truth post, your liberal.

The Senate under Ron Reagan was in republic hands from 1982-1987. BTW your shrinking of saint Ron in the face of Democrat Tip O'Neil is noted.

Bullshit--this was Ronald Reagans bill that he pushed through congress.

"Nowadays, conservative commentators like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh often invoke the former president as a champion of the conservative agenda. Sean Hannity of Fox News even has a regular segment called "What Would Reagan Do?"

Simpson, however, sees a different person in the president he called a "dear friend."

Reagan "knew that it was not right for people to be abused," Simpson says. "Anybody who's here illegally is going to be abused in some way, either financially [or] physically. They have no rights."

Peter Robinson, a former Reagan speechwriter, agrees. "It was in Ronald Reagan's bones — it was part of his understanding of America — that the country was fundamentally open to those who wanted to join us here."

Reagan said as much himself in a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984. "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally," he said.
A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There was no nation so no one was illegal.

There was a nation. Just because whites are trying to make an excuse doesnt change that.

No there wasn't. What the hell are you talking about?

Yes there was. What the hell are you talking about?

What nation? You had a bunch of little tribes warring it out among each other using sticks. They couldn't even figure out the wheel for shit sakes.

The one you just mentioned. No one cares what white people consider a nation to be. A wheel is not a requirement of being a nation. You must be pretty illiterate to think so.

The rest of the real nations care. The Indians should be grateful. It could have been much worse.

 

[Asclepias]

There was a nation. Just because whites are trying to make an excuse doesnt change that.

No there wasn't. What the hell are you talking about?

Yes there was. What the hell are you talking about?

What nation? You had a bunch of little tribes warring it out among each other using sticks. They couldn't even figure out the wheel for shit sakes.

The one you just mentioned. No one cares what white people consider a nation to be. A wheel is not a requirement of being a nation. You must be pretty illiterate to think so.

The rest of the real nations care. The Indians should be grateful. It could have been much worse.

I said no one cares what whites think. The NA's should never be grateful for being over ran by savages. You cant get much worse than having your land taken and then being forced to smell the people who stole it.

 

[MaryL]

There is nothing more BONE-HEADED to me, than sending kids that grew up here, and were educated here to a foreign country so they can stimulate the economy there (not here) to pay taxes there (not here.) Keeping in mind that there are dreamers all over this country that are on college campus's and in Universities.

Social Security/Medicare. Back in the 1950's average family size was 4 kids. Over the last several decades family size has been reduced to 2 or less kids. 10K babyboomers are entering social security on a daily basis, and this rate will continue for the next 9 to 10 years. Adding an additional 84 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. One working person is now supporting 3 retirees on borrowed money from China. Social Security/Medicare is the reason we're continually having to raise the debt ceiling. Right now we don't have the younger generation population in this country to support the military.

So your options are:
1. Let Social Security/Medicare go bankrupt.
2 Cut benefits to the bone.
3. Raise the age of eligibility to 75 years old.
4. Means testing (meaning take from the wealthier to give to the poorer)
5. Keep kids that grew up in this country and that were educated in this country (right here) to support these funds, while also paying Federal and State taxes while stimulating the economy.



Reich wingers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer when it comes to economics.

RONALD REAGAN started the biggest and longest lasting economic boom period in this country. What he do differently from other Presidents? With a swipe of a pen he legalized all illegals in this country.


They came out of their hiding places, got real jobs and started paying real taxes. They opened up their own business's and hired other Americans. They bought & built homes, American cars, T.V's and electronics, furniture, appliances. They went to school & paid for college educations. They had no fear. They set off the longest lasting economic boom period in this Nation's history.

If you don't remember what Ronald Reagan was like, you can watch this video from a long time friend and former staffer of Ronald Reagan.
The next serious consquence: Migrant workers are not crossing the border to help farmers bring in their harvests which is now skyrocketing prices on beef, chicken, eggs, milk and fruit and vegi's are rotting on the vine. All due to the hateful rhetoric coming from the Reich wing.
Dairy Farmers Fear Loss Of Labor Under Trump Immigration Actions
Alabama law drives out illegal immigrants but also has unexpected consequences
Maine farmers worry about workers’ future under Trump immigration policy
The shortage of farm workers and your grocery bill
The Republican party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of ignorance, anger, hate, bigotry, & misogyny.

Oh good lord, what a drama queen. Trust me, the majority of these kids are resilient regardless, very few of them are undiscovered Eisenstein's or Picassos. Aren't you being a little...over the top here? Let's blame their parents for making bad choices and the buck stops there. We don't owe people that sneak in here or their offspring anything. Chilax and have another hit of that doobie. Jees.

 

[oreo]

There is nothing more BONE-HEADED to me, than sending kids that grew up here, and were educated here to a foreign country so they can stimulate the economy there (not here) to pay taxes there (not here.) Keeping in mind that there are dreamers all over this country that are on college campus's and in Universities.

Social Security/Medicare. Back in the 1950's average family size was 4 kids. Over the last several decades family size has been reduced to 2 or less kids. 10K babyboomers are entering social security on a daily basis, and this rate will continue for the next 9 to 10 years. Adding an additional 84 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. One working person is now supporting 3 retirees on borrowed money from China. Social Security/Medicare is the reason we're continually having to raise the debt ceiling. Right now we don't have the younger generation population in this country to support the military.

So your options are:
1. Let Social Security/Medicare go bankrupt.
2 Cut benefits to the bone.
3. Raise the age of eligibility to 75 years old.
4. Means testing (meaning take from the wealthier to give to the poorer)
5. Keep kids that grew up in this country and that were educated in this country (right here) to support these funds, while also paying Federal and State taxes while stimulating the economy.

Reich wingers aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer when it comes to economics.

RONALD REAGAN started the biggest and longest lasting economic boom period in this country. What he do differently from other Presidents? With a swipe of a pen he legalized all illegals in this country.

They came out of their hiding places, got real jobs and started paying real taxes. They opened up their own business's and hired other Americans. They bought & built homes, American cars, T.V's and electronics, furniture, appliances. They went to school & paid for college educations. They had no fear. They set off the longest lasting economic boom period in this Nation's history.

If you don't remember what Ronald Reagan was like, you can watch this video from a long time friend and former staffer of Ronald Reagan.


The next serious consquence: Migrant workers are not crossing the border to help farmers bring in their harvests which is now skyrocketing prices on beef, chicken, eggs, milk and fruit and vegi's are rotting on the vine. All due to the hateful rhetoric coming from the Reich wing.
Dairy Farmers Fear Loss Of Labor Under Trump Immigration Actions
Alabama law drives out illegal immigrants but also has unexpected consequences
Maine farmers worry about workers’ future under Trump immigration policy
The shortage of farm workers and your grocery bill

The Republican party is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump. Stuffed full of ignorance, anger, hate, bigotry, & misogyny.

LMAO, like 800,000 are going to make a dent in 84 trillion in unfunded liabilities. You shit don't add up dummy. Ponzi schemes can never sustain themselves.


.

Losing them aren't going to make it better dumbass. Right now illegals contribute 4 trillion DOLLARS per year to the GDP. Meaning they're buying American cars, electronics, going to restaurants etc. etc. etc. They buy everything you do. 40% of them own homes in this country. Now imagine what would happen to the American economy if they were all kicked out. The last ones you want to kick out are kids that grew up here and were educated here. Most of them don't even speak Spanish--they grew up in an English world.
Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy

How do you figure illegals on welfare stealing identities is producing 25% of our GDP. Are you fucking stupid?

True--and they have contributed billions into Social Security/Medicare funds--that they are not eligible to collect on.

"While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus -- the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.

Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect -- sometimes simply fictitious -- Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.

The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's. In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes."
Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes."

 

[TNHarley]

Good gawd asslips is dumb

 

[BluesLegend]

Its simple, illegals get the hell out of our country and take your damn kids with you.

Are you Native American? If not you should shut up.

Ya cause my family has been here since 1607 I should shut up? How about you go back to Africa?

Yes you should shut up. NAs were here long before 1607.

I have been back to Africa. However the point is that I am not calling people illegal while being a white person that is here illegally.

Look stupid, being illegal has nothing to do with someone's skin pigment.

 

[Asclepias]

Its simple, illegals get the hell out of our country and take your damn kids with you.

Are you Native American? If not you should shut up.

Ya cause my family has been here since 1607 I should shut up? How about you go back to Africa?

Yes you should shut up. NAs were here long before 1607.

I have been back to Africa. However the point is that I am not calling people illegal while being a white person that is here illegally.

Look stupid, being illegal has nothing to do with someone's skin pigment.

Hey stupid. Who said it did?

 

[BluesLegend]

Its simple, illegals get the hell out of our country and take your damn kids with you.

Are you Native American? If not you should shut up.

Ya cause my family has been here since 1607 I should shut up? How about you go back to Africa?

Yes you should shut up. NAs were here long before 1607.

I have been back to Africa. However the point is that I am not calling people illegal while being a white person that is here illegally.

Look stupid, being illegal has nothing to do with someone's skin pigment.

Hey stupid. Who said it did?

Are you drunk?