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Obama was talking about making DACA permanent. When congress failed he made it temporary to EO.Do Leftists even hear what they say? O'Bama HIMSELF said repeatedly that he LACKED THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWER to enact the "Dreamer" bullshit we now call DACA. It was a violation of Federal Law, and ONLY CONGRESS could do it.
The problem is that Trump didn't know how to actually legally carry it out. He was used to giving orders that were followed, leaving it to the underlings to figure out how to actually do it. And they weren't familiar with federal procedures, and got it wrong.The issue was the courts not allowing Trump to end the EO. Whether I agree with that or not EO's are not law. The issue was not the EO (outside of the fact Obama should have addressed this as promised) the issue was the courts didn't allow Trump to end them which he legally could.
yes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the statusyou don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appealthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?
Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,
the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not
the courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.
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He has the temporary power under Article 2Where did he get the Constitutional power to VOID FEDERAL LAW?????
Nowhere!
And they weren't familiar with federal procedures, and got it wrong.
Trump also said that he could "un-sign" Obamacare.Trump was only interested in getting quoted on television.
Exactly right!!True, but everyone knows that EOs don't replace laws. No court should subvert the US Constitution.no, but nobody detrimentally relied on those illegal gun lawsyes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the statusyou don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appealthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?
Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,
the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not
I still do not understand.......judges allow enforcement of illegal laws?
D.C. enacts gun regulations. The court overturned them. Did the restrictions still apply to those who previously were restricted?
because the Heller case is final. You have never heard of a judge ruling and staying the order, or part of the order while the case continues to be legitimated?yes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the statusyou don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appealthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?
Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,
the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not
I still do not understand.......judges allow enforcement of illegal laws?
D.C. enacts gun regulations. The court overturned them. Did the restrictions still apply to those who previously were restricted?
because the Heller case is final. The guns laws were still in place why the case was litigatedyes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the statusyou don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appealthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?
Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,
the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not
I still do not understand.......judges allow enforcement of illegal laws?
D.C. enacts gun regulations. The court overturned them. Did the restrictions still apply to those who previously were restricted?
The court ruled, but stayed part of the order for a group while it’s still being litigated up the chain
If a judge believes it's illegal, rule it illegal. We have a system where people can appeal to the next higher court which can put the ruling on hold until the case is heard.
Even if one lower court does, the USSC would uphold the Constitution.
The issue was the courts not allowing Trump to end the EO. Whether I agree with that or not EO's are not law. The issue was not the EO (outside of the fact Obama should have addressed this as promised) the issue was the courts didn't allow Trump to end them which he legally could.
True. DACA was an Obama EO not a law. That's the issue.EO's are temporary, where laws are permanent.True, but everyone knows that EOs don't replace laws. No court should subvert the US Constitution.
Even if one lower court does, the USSC would uphold the Constitution.
Executive Orders state mandatory requirements for the Executive Branch, and have the effect of law. They are issued in relation to a law passed by Congress or based on powers granted to the President in the Constitution and must be consistent with those authorities. ... Executive Orders may amend earlier orders.
1. Thank you for admitting DACA IS Un-ConstitutionalRoberts thought Obamacare was a tax which made it constitutional.
Make DACA amnesty, and it's constitutional.
Which means the EO was legal, the illegal part of it was that it continued in effect as if it was permanent.True. DACA was an Obama EO not a law. That's the issue.
The only thing unconstitutional was it's permanent application.1. Thank you for admitting DACA IS Un-Constitutional
Agreed - if ruled Un-Constitutional then I was from the start, & everyone it affected from the start should be effected by the court decisionExactly right!!True, but everyone knows that EOs don't replace laws. No court should subvert the US Constitution.no, but nobody detrimentally relied on those illegal gun lawsyes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the statusyou don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appealthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?
Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,
the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not
I still do not understand.......judges allow enforcement of illegal laws?
D.C. enacts gun regulations. The court overturned them. Did the restrictions still apply to those who previously were restricted?
because the Heller case is final. You have never heard of a judge ruling and staying the order, or part of the order while the case continues to be legitimated?yes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the statusyou don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appealthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?
Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,
the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not
I still do not understand.......judges allow enforcement of illegal laws?
D.C. enacts gun regulations. The court overturned them. Did the restrictions still apply to those who previously were restricted?
because the Heller case is final. The guns laws were still in place why the case was litigatedyes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the statusyou don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appealthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?
Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,
the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not
I still do not understand.......judges allow enforcement of illegal laws?
D.C. enacts gun regulations. The court overturned them. Did the restrictions still apply to those who previously were restricted?
The court ruled, but stayed part of the order for a group while it’s still being litigated up the chain
If a judge believes it's illegal, rule it illegal. We have a system where people can appeal to the next higher court which can put the ruling on hold until the case is heard.
Even if one lower court does, the USSC would uphold the Constitution.
The issue was the courts not allowing Trump to end the EO. Whether I agree with that or not EO's are not law. The issue was not the EO (outside of the fact Obama should have addressed this as promised) the issue was the courts didn't allow Trump to end them which he legally could.
How can Obama do an EO and Trump not be able to undo the EO??
The current DACA debate only affects the potential new DACA kids.
My point is that ALL OF DACA should be thrown out.
The illegal.part was / is that Barry bypassed Congresx to impose an edict, his own law that even HE admitted he didn't have the authority to doWhich means the EO was legal, the illegal part of it was that it continued in effect as if it was permanent.True. DACA was an Obama EO not a law. That's the issue.
Obama was talking about making DACA permanent. When congress failed he made it temporary to EO.Do Leftists even hear what they say? O'Bama HIMSELF said repeatedly that he LACKED THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWER to enact the "Dreamer" bullshit we now call DACA. It was a violation of Federal Law, and ONLY CONGRESS could do it.
It wasn't illegal to make it temporary, it was only illegal that his temporary EO became permanent.
The illegal.part was / is that Barry bypassed Congresx to impose an edict, his own law that even HE admitted he didn't have the authority to doWhich means the EO was legal, the illegal part of it was that it continued in effect as if it was permanent.True. DACA was an Obama EO not a law. That's the issue.
The job of the courts is to administer justice, not to act as referee.Roberts CHANGED the WH Lawyers' argument, telling them to change their argument to arguing it was a tax....he saved their asses, their case, & Obamacare by doing this.
Kennedy then pointed out at this point that the case should have been stopped because if the argument was Obamacare was a tax NO LAW SUIT CAN BE FILED AGAINST A TAX UNTIL THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO COLLECT THE TAX. NO SUCH ATTEMPT HAD BEEN MADE YET.
Roberts, according to several of his fellow judges, arguably exceeded his authority by changing the WH lawyers' argument after their 1st argument was proven to be wrong,
haha say what? when did he make it temporary?Obama was talking about making DACA permanent. When congress failed he made it temporary to EO.Do Leftists even hear what they say? O'Bama HIMSELF said repeatedly that he LACKED THE CONSTITUTIONAL POWER to enact the "Dreamer" bullshit we now call DACA. It was a violation of Federal Law, and ONLY CONGRESS could do it.
It wasn't illegal to make it temporary, it was only illegal that his temporary EO became permanent.
true i met as far as prosecuting them to begin withyes the people that have relied on the illegal act by obama won’t be punished but nobody new will be able to rely on it because it was illegal to give the the statusyou don’t…they would no longer have that new legal status and be deportable.according to the article that is what the judge said in his ruling. Though, arguably that will only impact his district as other courts might disagree, and i’m sure the xiden admin will appealthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
How do you leave the actions of a rule in place if it's illegal?
Current DACA recipients won’t have their temporary amnesty pulled, and won’t be deported as a result,
the xiden admin doesn’t have to deport anyone ever if it doesn’t want to DACA or not
Legally that is incorrect, once a final order of deportation is issued by a judge, the administration has 60 days to deport them. The law says "shall", not "may".
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hahaa no. If it was legal he wouldn’t said it had to endthe courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.
.
Which means it was legal.
the courts disagre with you on DACA.There was nothing illegal about what he did. He can state that his administration would not pursue deportation of those who were brought here as kids.
What was done wrong is extenuating that into the next administration. This fall in the lap of Obama. He promised the Hispanic community that if they supported him the first thing he would do is address immigration reform. He did not. He issued an EO on his way out.
DACA did more then simply decide who to prosecute for illegal crossing, it gave a new legal status, that’s the illegal act by obama
If it was ruled illegal, those previously covered would no longer be.
The ruling said those previously covered can't renew, coverage only lasts 3 years at a time.
.
Which means it was legal.
