Let's talk about the oft repeated phrase "a threat to democracy" we believe trump presents.

[Robert W]

The procedure that was followed in naming Smith has been in place, and upheld by numerous courts, for decades.

Two wrongs make a right? Why was the confirmation by the Senate not followed since that is the law? That and the law freed Biden for the supposed same crimes.

 

[Meathead]

Please confine your remarks to the subject of the thread rather than take a defensive posture by bringing up whataboutisms.

Shit begets shit.

 

[Robert W]

The Biden admin had no control over, and furthermore played no role in, the decision by multiple grand juries to vote to indict trump for 91 felonies based on the evidence of his crimes.

Democrats spun that tale.

 

[berg80]

Maybe, I am missing something here. But I believe what Trump was referring to in regards to that phrase, is that the MSM is a "threat to Democracy".

He projects a lot.

 

[eagle7-31]

It’s this sort of dishonesty and contempt for the truth that renders Trump supporters as much a threat to democracy as Trump.

Spoken like a true left wing one party state stooge.

 

[berg80]

Democrats spun that tale.

You have no proof to the contrary. All you have is lies from trump and RWM.

 

[berg80]

Shit begets shit.

IOW, you can't factually refute a word I wrote.

 

[berg80]

Why was the confirmation by the Senate not followed since that is the law?

It isn't. The procedure used with Smith was the same for the appointment of numerous SC's. Each time the procedure has been challenged the challengers lost their case.

Cannon’s finding that special counsel Jack Smith was improperly appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to investigate Trump conflicts with numerous past court decisions and the nation’s long history — during both Democratic and Republican administrations — of allowing independent prosecutors to handle high-profile instances of alleged wrongdoing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/20/cannon-trump-florida-appeal-special-counsel/

 

[Robert W]

You clearly don’t understand the criticism of the Republican Party and you won’t listen to anyone explain it to you.

You’ve become walled in with your own fantasies.

Will you listen and understand criticisms of the Democratic party? Saying Trump threatens Democracy is false on more than one count. First he would have done it as president if that was his intention. Second this nation is not a Democracy at all. It is a Republic.
Let me explain it is a Republic. We know about Europe having many countries, different from each other. This nation was formed more like Europe is, in that each state is a special unit of it's own. We see Democrats yapping about packing the Supreme Court and also banning the Electoral College. If there is real danger to Democracy as you call it, Democrats present the danger.

 

[eagle7-31]

We spend so much time talking past each other I thought it might be useful to be more exacting in reference to what is meant by that phrase. It is most frequently used in the context of what another trump presidency may bring. Based in part on certain remarks he's made about retribution against his perceived enemies. And on the disavowed document, Project 2025, laying out a blueprint for what another term portends.

The thing is, we don't have to speculate about whether a threat will materialize..........it already has. I should say at this point I'm reluctant to illustrate what I mean because I know what kind of reaction it will elicit. But the point of the post is to be specific, not vague, so here goes.

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
Tucker Carlson condemned over ‘false flag’ claim about deadly Capitol attack
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

Here's a link to the Eastman memo. https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf

I'm hoping not to get bogged down by folks who will not accept this meeting actually did take place. If you can't accept that it did this would be a good jumping off point for you.

Moving on, we come to the matter of Jeffrey Clark. You may or may not recall trump wanted to name him acting AG in order to use the influence of the DoJ to pursue baseless claims of massive voter fraud, specifically in GA. When some of the top DoJ officials heard of trump's desire they threatened to quit en masse if he promoted Clark.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials​

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would affect the state’s election results.

Read the Unsent Letter by Jeffrey Clark to Georgia Officials (Published 2022)

Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department official who worked closely with President Donald J. Trump and his allies to undo the election, wanted to send a letter to state officials in Georgia that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had “identified significant concerns” that would...

www.nytimes.com

Former DOJ officials detail threatening to resign en masse in meeting with Trump​

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/23/1107217243/former-doj-officials-detail-threatening-resign-en-masse-trump-meeting

Finally, we come to trump's participation in the fake elector scheme.

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election​

Comprehensive Timeline on False Electors Scheme in 2020 Presidential Election

The most comprehensive factual record of former President Donald Trump and his close associates coordination of the false electors scheme.

www.justsecurity.org

Overwhelming documentary and testimonial evidence proves beyond any doubt these things I've outlined happened. All of which with one goal in mind. To create a scenario leading to trump remaining in power.

I do not pretend to speak for anyone but myself when I say this is what is meant when I contend trump is a threat to democracy. He has already threatened it. There is every reason to believe he will threaten it again. Especially after the recent rulings of his SCOTUS.

Ultimately, I'm asking trump supporters to examine the record I've laid out. The demonstrable evidence shows trump and his cohorts tried to change the outcome of a presidential election. I can think of few greater threats to democracy than that. They say past is prologue, hence my (our) concern.

Jess Piper explains why Biden is 3, not 30, points behind Trump

Many Republicans think that events on the Democrat side of the aisle practically ensure a Republican victory. What they’re missing is that it doesn’t matter what happens at the top of the ticket. That’s the icing. The cake is whethe...

www.americanthinker.com

This article states why I have serious problems with your side of the fence.

 

[berg80]

Two wrongs make a right? Why was the confirmation by the Senate not followed since that is the law? That and the law freed Biden for the supposed same crimes.

Most notably, the high court in 1974 unanimously required President Richard M. Nixon to hand over recordings to a special prosecutor as part of the Watergate investigation. In that opinion, the justices endorsed the office, citing several statutes under which the attorney general had “delegated the authority to represent the United States in these particular matters to a Special Prosecutor with unique authority and tenure.”
While lower-court judges are bound to follow the Supreme Court’s lead, Cannon took the unusual step of finding she was not required to abide by that aspect of the high court’s opinion in U.S. v. Nixon, saying the case did not directly address the validity of the office of special counsel.

Michael J. Gerhardt, a University of North Carolina law professor who teaches about constitutional conflicts between presidents and Congress, said Cannon cannot just brush aside a unanimous high court ruling.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/20/cannon-trump-florida-appeal-special-counsel/

 

[Robert W]

It isn't. The procedure used with Smith was the same for the appointment of numerous SC's. Each time the procedure has been challenged the challengers lost their case.

Cannon’s finding that special counsel Jack Smith was improperly appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to investigate Trump conflicts with numerous past court decisions and the nation’s long history — during both Democratic and Republican administrations — of allowing independent prosecutors to handle high-profile instances of alleged wrongdoing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/20/cannon-trump-florida-appeal-special-counsel/

Your problem is your source is the Washington Post. The true challenger to democracy.

 

[berg80]

Will you listen and understand criticisms of the Democratic party? Saying Trump threatens Democracy is false on more than one count.

I have already shown he is a threat. No one has been able to factually refute my assertion.

 

[berg80]

Your problem is your source is the Washington Post. The true challenger to democracy.

Factually refute the contents of what I pasted or STFU.

 

[Billiejeens]

Given you told me you would not consider my response legitimate no matter what I said, I don’t see why that type of response would make sense.

If someone told you that a vending machine doesn’t give anyone a product when you put money in it, a proper response wouldn’t walking up and sticking money in it.

Try this.

President Trump wants to slow down the flow of people from other countries coming across our border.

You may want to increase the flow because you see a need for low skill workers, people to supplement our declining birth rates or any reason.

That's a legitimate discussion.

 

[berg80]

Your problem is your source is the Washington Post. The true challenger to democracy.

Has a SC appointment ever been successfully challenged before trump's judge's ruling?

 

[berg80]

Jess Piper explains why Biden is 3, not 30, points behind Trump

Many Republicans think that events on the Democrat side of the aisle practically ensure a Republican victory. What they’re missing is that it doesn’t matter what happens at the top of the ticket. That’s the icing. The cake is whethe...

www.americanthinker.com

This article states why I have serious problems with your side of the fence.

Start a thread about it. This one is about another topic.

 

[berg80]

Someone please explain to me how this doesn't threaten democracy.

A part of former President Donald Trump’s effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election involved an effort to misuse the Electoral College in seven battleground states. On Dec. 14, 2020, legitimate members of the Electoral College met across the country to sign certificates declaring which presidential candidate won their state. That day, in several states that Biden had won, Republicans met to sign certificates declaring that they were the “duly elected and qualified” members of the Electoral College and falsely declaring Trump the winner of their state. They sent their documents to the National Archives.

In the runup to Jan. 6, 2021, these false certificates were used in an effort to claim that Vice President Mike Pence could decide either not to recognize any electors from these “disputed states” (meaning an outright Trump win) or else delay the certification of the election.

These actions, and the alleged conspiracy that gave rise to them, have been the subject of multiple criminal indictments. The scheme is included among the conduct charged in the federal indictment against former President Donald Trump by the Department of Justice’s Office of Special Counsel. False electors in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, and Nevada also face criminal charges. In Wisconsin, the false electors and two attorneys who aided and abetted them settled civil litigation arising from their actions, and a criminal investigation in Wisconsin is reportedly ongoing.

 

[eagle7-31]

Start a thread about it. This one is about another topic.

Fair enough. That being said the last part of this article is why I posted it to you.

For people like Jess Piper, Biden could be an actual eggplant, and she’d still vote for him. And you know what? I get it.

My vision of America is the exact opposite of the one that Piper and her friends hold. I understand that Biden and Trump are both the tips of their respective ideological pyramids and I, too, would vote for an eggplant if it topped my constitutional ideological pyramid rather than her Marxist one.

 

[Meathead]

IOW, you can't factually refute a word I wrote.

It's a viscous circle, ain't it?