DACA Schmocka: Let's discuss the REAL problem

[gipper]

The real problem is unwarranted fear on the part of most conservatives.

The real problem is ignorance of, or contempt for, the law common to those on the right.

The real problem is Congressional Republicans who refuse to enact immigration reform because of their unwarranted fear that to do so would result in an increase in immigration.

The real problem is the right’s fear of change, diversity, and an inclusive society.

DACA participants came to the United States legally as children, and subsequently lost their legal status through no fault of their own. Or they were brought into the country without authorization by their parents – in either case, as settled, accepted Constitutional law, children are not held responsible for the actions of their parents.

Last, DACA participants have no knowledge of their birth country, often do not speak the language, and have no means to survive if compelled to return to their birth country – to do so would be cruel and reprehensible; the United States should not seek to do so, we are a better people than that.

The solution to the ‘problem’ is therefore very simple: enact comprehensive immigration reform codifying the DACA program as a provision of the new law.

Leave it to the partisan to fuck things up.

 

[Tehon]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

Latin American Countries have been unable to determine their own course since the time of the the Dulles brothers. Gee, I wonder why they can't get their act together and act in the best interests of the US. Let's just force them to do it!

Americans never took notice until it started to affect them here at home. And now they can't figure out what in the world could be the problem. Let's build a wall. That will solve it. But only for us because who really cares about those people anyway. We can just continue to exploit them.

American exceptionalism.

But the illegal immigration is more than about just welfare mooching from the American taxpayers.
It is a cultural invasion.

Well then you shouldn't have invaded their country.

 

[Tehon]

The real problem is unwarranted fear on the part of most conservatives.

The real problem is ignorance of, or contempt for, the law common to those on the right.

The real problem is Congressional Republicans who refuse to enact immigration reform because of their unwarranted fear that to do so would result in an increase in immigration.

The real problem is the right’s fear of change, diversity, and an inclusive society.

DACA participants came to the United States legally as children, and subsequently lost their legal status through no fault of their own. Or they were brought into the country without authorization by their parents – in either case, as settled, accepted Constitutional law, children are not held responsible for the actions of their parents.

Last, DACA participants have no knowledge of their birth country, often do not speak the language, and have no means to survive if compelled to return to their birth country – to do so would be cruel and reprehensible; the United States should not seek to do so, we are a better people than that.

The solution to the ‘problem’ is therefore very simple: enact comprehensive immigration reform codifying the DACA program as a provision of the new law.

You are no better than the republicans. You want to deny the underlying cause of the problem. Which is clearly a problem and this is coming from someone not afraid of people originating from a different culture.

 

[Tehon]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

Latin American Countries have been unable to determine their own course since the time of the the Dulles brothers. Gee, I wonder why they can't get their act together and act in the best interests of the US. Let's just force them to do it!

Americans never took notice until it started to affect them here at home. And now they can't figure out what in the world could be the problem. Let's build a wall. That will solve it. But only for us because who really cares about those people anyway. We can just continue to exploit them.

American exceptionalism.

So true.

I would add that the evil Dulles brothers certainly made matters much worse, but the problem started when the US government decided to build an empire. This started in the mid-19th century with the invasion of Mexico and the confiscation of it's northern lands. It just got progressively worse over time. The Spanish American War saw the US government take lands from Spain.

How many times has the US sent it's marines into these nations to impose it's well? The political leadership of these nations knows you better do as the US gov says, or you will be dead. US corporations have been allowed to run these nations for decades, with the help of the US military and CIA.

Americans like to believe their nation is honorable and just. I don't know how they can, if they bother to objectively read the history. The American people are a great people. Sadly their ruling class are nothing but a bunch of criminals.

So are you saying stop investing in latin countries and give the western half of America to Mexico?
But how would that stop illegal immigration?

There is a distinction between investing and extracting that is probably lost on you.

 

[bripat9643]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

So that would fix the problem?
.

Yes. In the case of Mexico, we stole their labor. Free trade opened Mexico for the exploitation of its labor. US Big Ag destabilized their rural farming communities as an example.

It was all voluntary, commie. We didn't steal a thing. Furthermore, we didn't benefit by building factories in Mexico. They did.

 

[bripat9643]

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

Latin American Countries have been unable to determine their own course since the time of the the Dulles brothers. Gee, I wonder why they can't get their act together and act in the best interests of the US. Let's just force them to do it!

Americans never took notice until it started to affect them here at home. And now they can't figure out what in the world could be the problem. Let's build a wall. That will solve it. But only for us because who really cares about those people anyway. We can just continue to exploit them.

American exceptionalism.

So true.

I would add that the evil Dulles brothers certainly made matters much worse, but the problem started when the US government decided to build an empire. This started in the mid-19th century with the invasion of Mexico and the confiscation of it's northern lands. It just got progressively worse over time. The Spanish American War saw the US government take lands from Spain.

How many times has the US sent it's marines into these nations to impose it's well? The political leadership of these nations knows you better do as the US gov says, or you will be dead. US corporations have been allowed to run these nations for decades, with the help of the US military and CIA.

Americans like to believe their nation is honorable and just. I don't know how they can, if they bother to objectively read the history. The American people are a great people. Sadly their ruling class are nothing but a bunch of criminals.

So are you saying stop investing in latin countries and give the western half of America to Mexico?
But how would that stop illegal immigration?

There is a distinction between investing and extracting that is probably lost on you.

Explain the difference. I'm sure your answer will be hilarious.

 

[Tehon]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

Latin American Countries have been unable to determine their own course since the time of the the Dulles brothers. Gee, I wonder why they can't get their act together and act in the best interests of the US. Let's just force them to do it!

Americans never took notice until it started to affect them here at home. And now they can't figure out what in the world could be the problem. Let's build a wall. That will solve it. But only for us because who really cares about those people anyway. We can just continue to exploit them.

American exceptionalism.

So true.

I would add that the evil Dulles brothers certainly made matters much worse, but the problem started when the US government decided to build an empire. This started in the mid-19th century with the invasion of Mexico and the confiscation of it's northern lands. It just got progressively worse over time. The Spanish American War saw the US government take lands from Spain.

How many times has the US sent it's marines into these nations to impose it's well? The political leadership of these nations knows you better do as the US gov says, or you will be dead. US corporations have been allowed to run these nations for decades, with the help of the US military and CIA.

Americans like to believe their nation is honorable and just. I don't know how they can, if they bother to objectively read the history. The American people are a great people. Sadly their ruling class are nothing but a bunch of criminals.

The problem I have is that political power is derived from the people. The American people have allowed this to happen. I understand the underlying reasons for this but it still frustrates me.

 

[bripat9643]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

Latin American Countries have been unable to determine their own course since the time of the the Dulles brothers. Gee, I wonder why they can't get their act together and act in the best interests of the US. Let's just force them to do it!

Americans never took notice until it started to affect them here at home. And now they can't figure out what in the world could be the problem. Let's build a wall. That will solve it. But only for us because who really cares about those people anyway. We can just continue to exploit them.

American exceptionalism.

How are we exploiting them, commie? Why should I give a damn about what's best for them? That's for them to worry about.

 

[JoeB131]

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Why is that OUR job? Even if we could turn South of the Border into a real paradise people would want to stay in, (which would actually mean changing their entire culture, including the religious stupidity that you have to have as many babies as possible. Thanks, Catholic Church!), we have a whole rest of the world that will provide the new source of "Labor willing to do anything for a pittance"

Here in Chicago, our biggest "Illegal" problem isn't Mexicans, it's the Polish. I guess we can build a wall to keep them out. Insert Polish joke here.

Heck, we might even replace our Hispanic underclass with Muslims like the Europeans have. You'd be totally shitting your pants then, Mac!

Here's the real solution to the illegal problem. Go after the people who hire them. Go after the rich asshole who keeps an illegal to nanny his children. Go after the jackasses who hire a bunch of day laborers outside the Home Depot to finish their DIY project that didn't turn out to be as easy as they thought it was. Go after the sweatshop owners and meat packers.

Because going after the illegals themselves, that's just playing whack a mole. The supply is unlimited, you should go after the demand.

(This will be another point that Mac won't answer, of course. Mac doesn't do answers. He just whines about how everyone is mean to him.)

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Of course, those participating in the DACA program is a ‘problem’ mostly for conservatives – conservatives who have a problem with immigration, diversity, and inclusion.

Most Americans have no problem with DACA at all.

“Only 1 in 5 Americans want to deport young immigrants brought to the United States as children and now here illegally, the focus of a politically fraught debate between the White House and Congress.

Americans also have largely negative opinions about President Trump's signature immigration pledge to build a wall along the entire US-Mexico border, according to a new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just under half – 49 percent – oppose construction, while 32 percent support it.”

Majority of Americans support Dreamers staying in the US, poll says

“A vast 86 percent of Americans support a right to residency for undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, with support crossing the political spectrum. Two-thirds back a deal to enact such legislation in tandem with higher funding for border control.”

Americans back DACA by a huge margin

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

Latin American Countries have been unable to determine their own course since the time of the the Dulles brothers. Gee, I wonder why they can't get their act together and act in the best interests of the US. Let's just force them to do it!

Americans never took notice until it started to affect them here at home. And now they can't figure out what in the world could be the problem. Let's build a wall. That will solve it. But only for us because who really cares about those people anyway. We can just continue to exploit them.

American exceptionalism.

So true.

I would add that the evil Dulles brothers certainly made matters much worse, but the problem started when the US government decided to build an empire. This started in the mid-19th century with the invasion of Mexico and the confiscation of it's northern lands. It just got progressively worse over time. The Spanish American War saw the US government take lands from Spain.

How many times has the US sent it's marines into these nations to impose it's well? The political leadership of these nations knows you better do as the US gov says, or you will be dead. US corporations have been allowed to run these nations for decades, with the help of the US military and CIA.

Americans like to believe their nation is honorable and just. I don't know how they can, if they bother to objectively read the history. The American people are a great people. Sadly their ruling class are nothing but a bunch of criminals.

So are you saying stop investing in latin countries and give the western half of America to Mexico?
But how would that stop illegal immigration?

There is a distinction between investing and extracting that is probably lost on you.

Actually American companies invest and employ. That is not stealing.
BTW the dumb left wing Venezuelan government has kicked out those eeeeeeevil corporations and now they are starving.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Of course, those participating in the DACA program is a ‘problem’ mostly for conservatives – conservatives who have a problem with immigration, diversity, and inclusion.

Most Americans have no problem with DACA at all.

“Only 1 in 5 Americans want to deport young immigrants brought to the United States as children and now here illegally, the focus of a politically fraught debate between the White House and Congress.

Americans also have largely negative opinions about President Trump's signature immigration pledge to build a wall along the entire US-Mexico border, according to a new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just under half – 49 percent – oppose construction, while 32 percent support it.”

Majority of Americans support Dreamers staying in the US, poll says

“A vast 86 percent of Americans support a right to residency for undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, with support crossing the political spectrum. Two-thirds back a deal to enact such legislation in tandem with higher funding for border control.”

Americans back DACA by a huge margin

Actually "diversity" has always been a crazy left wing bigot term.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually American companies invest and employ. That is not stealing.
BTW the dumb left wing Venezuelan government has kicked out those eeeeeeevil corporations and now they are starving.

They were starving before they kicked them out, which is why they kicked them out.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course, those participating in the DACA program is a ‘problem’ mostly for conservatives – conservatives who have a problem with immigration, diversity, and inclusion.

Most Americans have no problem with DACA at all.

“Only 1 in 5 Americans want to deport young immigrants brought to the United States as children and now here illegally, the focus of a politically fraught debate between the White House and Congress.

Americans also have largely negative opinions about President Trump's signature immigration pledge to build a wall along the entire US-Mexico border, according to a new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just under half – 49 percent – oppose construction, while 32 percent support it.”

Majority of Americans support Dreamers staying in the US, poll says

“A vast 86 percent of Americans support a right to residency for undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, with support crossing the political spectrum. Two-thirds back a deal to enact such legislation in tandem with higher funding for border control.”

Americans back DACA by a huge margin

We gain nothing from immigration, diversity is not a value and it's not beneficial and including more foreigners in our society only serves to destroy our society.

 

[bripat9643]

Of course, those participating in the DACA program is a ‘problem’ mostly for conservatives – conservatives who have a problem with immigration, diversity, and inclusion.

Most Americans have no problem with DACA at all.

“Only 1 in 5 Americans want to deport young immigrants brought to the United States as children and now here illegally, the focus of a politically fraught debate between the White House and Congress.

Americans also have largely negative opinions about President Trump's signature immigration pledge to build a wall along the entire US-Mexico border, according to a new poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just under half – 49 percent – oppose construction, while 32 percent support it.”

Majority of Americans support Dreamers staying in the US, poll says

“A vast 86 percent of Americans support a right to residency for undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, with support crossing the political spectrum. Two-thirds back a deal to enact such legislation in tandem with higher funding for border control.”

Americans back DACA by a huge margin

Actually "diversity" has always been a crazy left wing bigot term.

True. Leftwingers act like diversity is automatically to be considered desirable. No one has ever demonstrated anything desirable about it.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, so much for THAT idea.


.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually American companies invest and employ. That is not stealing.
BTW the dumb left wing Venezuelan government has kicked out those eeeeeeevil corporations and now they are starving.

They were starving before they kicked them out, which is why they kicked them out.

Wrong, turd. The population has lost an average of 20 lbs in the last year.

Venezuela Is Starving

 

[JoeB131]

We gain nothing from immigration, diversity is not a value and it's not beneficial and including more foreigners in our society only serves to destroy our society.

Okay, guy, unless you are a Native American, your ancestors probably immigrated here from somewhere.

The thing is, stuff you say about the Mexicans now is the same shit they said about the Poles 50 years ago, the Germans 100 years ago and the Irish 150 years ago.

 

[bripat9643]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

Latin American Countries have been unable to determine their own course since the time of the the Dulles brothers. Gee, I wonder why they can't get their act together and act in the best interests of the US. Let's just force them to do it!

Americans never took notice until it started to affect them here at home. And now they can't figure out what in the world could be the problem. Let's build a wall. That will solve it. But only for us because who really cares about those people anyway. We can just continue to exploit them.

American exceptionalism.

But the illegal immigration is more than about just welfare mooching from the American taxpayers.
It is a cultural invasion.

Well then you shouldn't have invaded their country.

When did we invade them?

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong, turd. The population has lost an average of 20 lbs in the last year.

The whole population has lost 20 lbs? Really?

That sounds underwealming.