DACA Schmocka: Let's discuss the REAL problem

[bripat9643]

A factory worker in Mexico makes about 2 bucks an hour. He can come across the border illegally and mow lawns for 10 bucks an hour.

Can you fix that?

Yep. It's called the border wall.

It won't work because only about half of Mexicans who come across the border come by routes that the wall could block.

It's about 60%. So solving 60% of the problem isn't worth it? Only an imbecile would take such a position.

Open borders douchebags have a million reasons for not securing the border, and they all suck.

 

[JoeB131]

Let's be honest.
The greedy Democratic Party has devolved into using third worlders to build their voter base and it regards middle class white voters to their "uneducated and deplorable" enemy.
That is why they want open borders.

Let's be honest, the Republican One Perecenters are the ones hiring illegals so they don't have to pay the "Deplorables" a fair wage. Then they get the "Uneducated" all upset that these folks are doing jobs they wouldn't want in the first place.

sooooo you are saying don't even try to control immigration

I'm saying it isn't something we should have the level of hysteria about that we have.

This is a country of immigrants. My father was an immigrant from Germany 90 years ago.

And the same shit you guys say about the Mexicans now, they said about the Germans then. (And Germany was more of an existential threat to us than Mexico ever will be).

 

[gipper]

Let's be honest.
The greedy Democratic Party has devolved into using third worlders to build their voter base and it regards middle class white voters to their "uneducated and deplorable" enemy.
That is why they want open borders.

Let's be honest, the Republican One Perecenters are the ones hiring illegals so they don't have to pay the "Deplorables" a fair wage. Then they get the "Uneducated" all upset that these folks are doing jobs they wouldn't want in the first place.

sooooo you are saying don't even try to control immigration

I'm saying it isn't something we should have the level of hysteria about that we have.

This is a country of immigrants. My father was an immigrant from Germany 90 years ago.

And the same shit you guys say about the Mexicans now, they said about the Germans then. (And Germany was more of an existential threat to us than Mexico ever will be).

Hey Joe...there is a difference today versus 90 years ago. Today the USA is a welfare state and our economy doesn't need millions of illiterate unskilled laborers.

That said, I don't blame them for coming here. Their home countries only offer them poverty. Plus if we are honest, who is doing the tough jobs in America today? Hispanics are.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

1. Go after employers and dry up the money here so they do not want to come.

2. The money wasted on welfare for children born to illegal parents could be use to help the infrastructure of Mexico but how do you get around the corruption?

3. Better work visa program.

 

[bripat9643]

Let's be honest.
The greedy Democratic Party has devolved into using third worlders to build their voter base and it regards middle class white voters to their "uneducated and deplorable" enemy.
That is why they want open borders.

Let's be honest, the Republican One Perecenters are the ones hiring illegals so they don't have to pay the "Deplorables" a fair wage. Then they get the "Uneducated" all upset that these folks are doing jobs they wouldn't want in the first place.

sooooo you are saying don't even try to control immigration

I'm saying it isn't something we should have the level of hysteria about that we have.

This is a country of immigrants. My father was an immigrant from Germany 90 years ago.

And the same shit you guys say about the Mexicans now, they said about the Germans then. (And Germany was more of an existential threat to us than Mexico ever will be).

You're full of shit. They never said any such thing about the Germans. They started immigrating here at least 200 years ago.

The Irish and the Italians are the only immigrants that faced any kind of hostility, and it was well earned.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Let's be honest.
The greedy Democratic Party has devolved into using third worlders to build their voter base and it regards middle class white voters to their "uneducated and deplorable" enemy.
That is why they want open borders.

Let's be honest, the Republican One Perecenters are the ones hiring illegals so they don't have to pay the "Deplorables" a fair wage. Then they get the "Uneducated" all upset that these folks are doing jobs they wouldn't want in the first place.

sooooo you are saying don't even try to control immigration

I'm saying it isn't something we should have the level of hysteria about that we have.

This is a country of immigrants. My father was an immigrant from Germany 90 years ago.

And the same shit you guys say about the Mexicans now, they said about the Germans then. (And Germany was more of an existential threat to us than Mexico ever will be).

All countries have immigration laws.
It is not intolerant to have immigration laws and borders.
No other country allows as much illegal immigration as we do.
We have a 100% right and duty to control our immigration.

 

[JoeB131]

You're full of shit. They never said any such thing about the Germans. They started immigrating here at least 200 years ago.

You need to educate yourself, dummy.

During World War I, U.S. Government Propaganda Erased German Culture

This week marks the centennial of U.S. entry into World War I, a conflict that shattered empires and cost millions of lives. On the American home front, it made this country less culturally German.

Today, when the question of loyalty of immigrants has again become contentious, what happened a century ago has special relevance. World War I inspired an outbreak of nativism and xenophobia that targeted German immigrants, Americans of German descent and even the German language.

It was a remarkable reversal of fortune. Germans were the largest non-English-speaking minority group in the U.S. at the time. The 1910 census counted more than 8 million first- and second-generation German-Americans in the population of 92 million.

"Hans Kuhnwald, the concertmeister of the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra, was interned; the German language was forbidden; the German-American press was heavily censored; libraries had to pull German books off the shelves; German-American organizations were targeted," Schade says, "and what happened, of course, is the German-Americans considered themselves to be good Americans of German extraction, several generations removed from the old country."

 

[JoeB131]

All countries have immigration laws.
It is not intolerant to have immigration laws and borders.
No other country allows as much illegal immigration as we do.
We have a 100% right and duty to control our immigration.

Most other countries aren't countries of immigrants. We are.

and the racist hysteria over Hispanic Immigrants is just sad to watch.

 

[BluesLegend]

Oh here we go with the bleeding hearts club. There are billions of desperate poor people on earth living under ruthless dictatorships, why are they less deserving of America's assistance than South America?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

All countries have immigration laws.
It is not intolerant to have immigration laws and borders.
No other country allows as much illegal immigration as we do.
We have a 100% right and duty to control our immigration.

Most other countries aren't countries of immigrants. We are.

and the racist hysteria over Hispanic Immigrants is just sad to watch.

Millions of Democrat Voters are hardcore racist assholes and that is why they have racist organizations like La Raza, Mecha and the Aztlan Nationalist who brag about invading our country.

 

[yiostheoy]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Terminating all the H1B's makes more sense.

 

[PredFan]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

It’s not our responsibility to fix other countries. Also, we cannot afford to do so. We can agree to some sort of conciderations with regard to DACA if and only if the wall is built.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Cut off all entitlements. No more anchore baby rights.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Why do we need to solve their problems? Fuckem, build the wall & close the door.

 

[PredFan]

No Mac, sorry; stabilization of our country must be our number 1 priority. Hell, if our economy grows and we need 50,000 more people, then invite them in if they want to come here. That is far better than needing 50,000, and 250,000 just walk in, and leave us with 200,000 extras we have to take care of.

But the stabilization of our country is the point. Don't we want them to not come here illegally? Isn't that the goal here?

We can spend money and resources building a wall, chasing them all down, imprisoning them for years and years, dealing with whatever crimes they commit.

Or we can re-direct those dollars and resources into an approach that would make them less likely to want to escape their hell holes in the first place.

Yes, this is about us, what's best for us. We're going to burn money and resources either way; I'd rather deal with the root problem than just apply band-aids.
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You could not just throw money at them. Take Mexico for example, fraud, corruption, and the very real fact that drug lords control much of the country means that you’d have to completely change their entire political system and go to war with the drug lords. Then you would have to maintain a military presence just to keep someone else from filling in for the ousted drug lords.

It would be a logistical nightmare and a fiscal black hole. Build the wall and man it. Much cheaper.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

A great big no shit right there brother!

 

[Mac1958]

Why do we need to solve their problems? Fuckem, build the wall & close the door.

It’s not our responsibility to fix other countries.

Well, the point is from the perspective that it is in our selfish interests to do so.

But definitely I think I'm on my own on this one...


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[PredFan]

Why do we need to solve their problems? Fuckem, build the wall & close the door.

It’s not our responsibility to fix other countries.

Well, the point is from the perspective that it is in our selfish interests to do so.

But definitely I think I'm on my own on this one...


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We cannot afford to. It would be cheaper to build the wall.

 

[Moonglow]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

The US has been intervening in these places for over one hundred years and nothing has helped...

 

[gipper]

Obviously the political "class" (har har) will be turning its attention to DACA soon. So here come the shallow platitudes, the bumper sticker sloganeering, the posturing before the teevee cameras, the goofy hyperbole and the personal insults & name-calling on yet another important issue.

My bold and fearless (!) prediction is that we're going to focus on the wall and employment practices and the tearing apart of families, screaming YOU'RE A RACIST AAUUUUGHH, etc. etc., and continue to ignore the one issue that is at the very core of this problem:

Mexico and much of South America remain a shit hole from which people are desperate to escape.

Let's try to avoid all the silly partisan behaviors listed above and discuss what America can actually do about that. How can we make it so that people south of the border have some reason to stay, while getting cooperation from those governments? Investment agreements with those countries? Some kind of military arrangement to deal with the cartels? Let's see if we can "exchange" some "ideas" on this without the thread spinning off the rails.

Stop stealing their resources would be a solution.

And using the US military and CIA to control and overthrow their governments.

A great big no shit right there brother!

Amazingly though, some Americans would dispute this.