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cigarette smokers don't owe Children Health care either...life sucks and then you die....I'm horrified at being forced to fund it for them. I don't owe them healthcare.Staph is horrified at the thought of poor people getting health care.
and many of these people getting subsidies on the exchange DO PAY TAXES too, so it is not just you paying for them, their own taxes are paying for themselves as well...
The poorest among us, already had Medicaid which paid for the most of that group category already, and long before Obamacare, was available to them.
And please noteJust another example of entitlement minded pieces of shit getting something else handed to them funded by those of us that can actually keep a job.I love the willfully ignorant when they lose an argument. LOLMeaning you have zero knowledge about what is going on in the healthcare industry as a whole ( including in Washington) and just speak out of your ass about stuff you know nothing about and shouldn't be taken seriously.Meaning that the sky hasn't fallen, so you don't have any credibility.
YOu know what my observation of ObamaCare is. Before ObamaCare, we had that annual company meeting about how our health insurance was going to cost more and provide less, every year. We even had one year where our Human Resource Cow said, "Im so glad my husband has an HMO and I'm not on our program!"
Guess what, we don't have those meetings anymore since ObamaCare.
Checked outside. Sky still isn't falling. We did get some nice snow last night.
i love when panic-mongers sputter in frustration when they can't get people to get as upset as they are.
ObamaCare is going to be just fine. Single Payer would be better.
Just another example of entitlement minded pieces of shit getting something else handed to them funded by those of us that can actually keep a job.I love the willfully ignorant when they lose an argument. LOLMeaning you have zero knowledge about what is going on in the healthcare industry as a whole ( including in Washington) and just speak out of your ass about stuff you know nothing about and shouldn't be taken seriously.Meaning that the sky hasn't fallen, so you don't have any credibility.
YOu know what my observation of ObamaCare is. Before ObamaCare, we had that annual company meeting about how our health insurance was going to cost more and provide less, every year. We even had one year where our Human Resource Cow said, "Im so glad my husband has an HMO and I'm not on our program!"
Guess what, we don't have those meetings anymore since ObamaCare.
Checked outside. Sky still isn't falling. We did get some nice snow last night.
i love when panic-mongers sputter in frustration when they can't get people to get as upset as they are.
ObamaCare is going to be just fine. Single Payer would be better.
And please noteJust another example of entitlement minded pieces of shit getting something else handed to them funded by those of us that can actually keep a job.I love the willfully ignorant when they lose an argument. LOLMeaning you have zero knowledge about what is going on in the healthcare industry as a whole ( including in Washington) and just speak out of your ass about stuff you know nothing about and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Checked outside. Sky still isn't falling. We did get some nice snow last night.
i love when panic-mongers sputter in frustration when they can't get people to get as upset as they are.
ObamaCare is going to be just fine. Single Payer would be better.
Just another example of entitlement minded pieces of shit getting something else handed to them funded by those of us that can actually keep a job.I love the willfully ignorant when they lose an argument. LOLMeaning you have zero knowledge about what is going on in the healthcare industry as a whole ( including in Washington) and just speak out of your ass about stuff you know nothing about and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Checked outside. Sky still isn't falling. We did get some nice snow last night.
i love when panic-mongers sputter in frustration when they can't get people to get as upset as they are.
ObamaCare is going to be just fine. Single Payer would be better.
Some people will settle for sub par crap as long as it is free. Just wait until the day they get shafted due to deductibles,lack of participating doctors or fines they didn't see coming. : )
A family making $75,000 per year should easily be able to afford their own health insurance. Obamacare does not make insurance more affordable. The sooner you admit that the sooner you'll be living in realityApparently, a good deal of the poorest didn't even know they qualified for Medicaid before Ocare or in some cases too proud to take the help....cigarette smokers don't owe Children Health care either...life sucks and then you die....I'm horrified at being forced to fund it for them. I don't owe them healthcare.Staph is horrified at the thought of poor people getting health care.
and many of these people getting subsidies on the exchange DO PAY TAXES too, so it is not just you paying for them, their own taxes are paying for themselves as well...
The poorest among us, already had Medicaid which paid for the most of that group category already, and long before Obamacare, was available to them.
.... but wasn't the 'poorest among us' the rationale for Obamacare?
And I don't know if he ever used the poorest among us as one of his ''sells''?
o-care gives some subsidy help to a family of 3 making $70-75k a year, if healthcare insurance is not provided by their employer...
so, it reaches lower to some upper middle class families, again, if healthcare benefits are not provided by their employers.... the o-care on the exchange is for people who work for a living, the Medicaid part covers those who primarily are not working, plus some very very low income families...is my understanding...
Liar...
Who is upset? I have great insurance and am not forced to rely on The crappy Obamacare bait and switch policies others do. I just feel sorry for the people Obamacare dupes that are (mostly the struggling middle class).
The sad part is they'll run to the government to get a subsidy to fund that.
Too proud my ass. They aren't too proud to take food stamps, welfare, WIC, and live in government housing.
Subsidies to one for healthcare no matter what they make is wrong. It means someone else is having more taken from them. Medicaid is the same thing. My former doctor started taking Medicaid patients. Last time I saw him, I had just paid my $30 copay and would get a bill for what my insurance didn't cover. A woman and her child came in. When she was asked to pay whatever the copay was for Medicaid, somewhere around $3, she raised hell about that. I doubt she got a bill later either.
Some people will settle for sub par crap as long as it is free. Just wait until the day they get shafted due to deductibles,lack of participating doctors or fines they didn't see coming. : )
A family making $75,000 per year should easily be able to afford their own health insurance. Obamacare does not make insurance more affordable. The sooner you admit that the sooner you'll be living in realityApparently, a good deal of the poorest didn't even know they qualified for Medicaid before Ocare or in some cases too proud to take the help....cigarette smokers don't owe Children Health care either...life sucks and then you die....I'm horrified at being forced to fund it for them. I don't owe them healthcare.
and many of these people getting subsidies on the exchange DO PAY TAXES too, so it is not just you paying for them, their own taxes are paying for themselves as well...
The poorest among us, already had Medicaid which paid for the most of that group category already, and long before Obamacare, was available to them.
.... but wasn't the 'poorest among us' the rationale for Obamacare?
And I don't know if he ever used the poorest among us as one of his ''sells''?
o-care gives some subsidy help to a family of 3 making $70-75k a year, if healthcare insurance is not provided by their employer...
so, it reaches lower to some upper middle class families, again, if healthcare benefits are not provided by their employers.... the o-care on the exchange is for people who work for a living, the Medicaid part covers those who primarily are not working, plus some very very low income families...is my understanding...
Liar...
Tell that to Mr. H who gave the example of making 85k, family of 3, and not being able to afford the cost of Health care Insurance.... it truly depends on where you live and what the cost of living is there.....
As I also mentioned earlier, On the Independent Insurance market, for a decent Health care plan that covered 80%/20% with a lower deductible, was just astronomical in price, about $12,500 a year, per PERSON here in Maine...and that is just ridiculous when the average family in Maine, combine income, is in the 40's...each state is different, but my State area, way up here in nowhere land, doesn't attract a lot of Doctors or Dentists....easier to be in a populated area to make their bucks.
The sad part is they'll run to the government to get a subsidy to fund that.
and that would be bad, why?
Look, you guys want to maintain the current system of private insurance. There's no good reason for it, it adds nothing to the quality of care and makes our system more expensive - 18% of GDP compared to 8-11% of GDP for other industrialized nations.
It also makes us less competitive in the workplace in that employers have to add the cost of that health care onto every product they make while their German and Japanese counterparts just pay their tax and can produce cheaper products.
Nothing wrong with HMOs actually. I had a choice between those or PPO both good. Government control doesn't bring down the cost of anything. Maybe you can list some examples of where that has actually happened. I'm also not quit sure how late 40s would be considered "up there in age"Some people will settle for sub par crap as long as it is free. Just wait until the day they get shafted due to deductibles,lack of participating doctors or fines they didn't see coming. : )
Well, no, here's the problem. I have private insurance now. I have private insurance on my last job, and because I am getting up there in years, on the last job I took the more expensive Point of Service Plan instead of the HMO. (I referred to these as Piece of Shit and Horrible Medical Options, because neither one of them were great.)
Well, in 2007, I ran up a lot of medical issues. Required two operations, ran up something like $60,000 in medical claims. But heck, I had insurance! And even though I ended up paying something like $15,000 out of pocket, it was a good thing I had insurance.
Oh, no. Wait. After I made claims, they were suddenly very keen on getting me off the payroll, despite six years of glowing reviews.
Like I said. Still happening under the ACA. People who can't afford the premium coverage are signing up for the cheaper coverage that they can afford only to find out they can't meet the deductibles and are turning around and dropping the insurance.Some people will settle for sub par crap as long as it is free. Just wait until the day they get shafted due to deductibles,lack of participating doctors or fines they didn't see coming. : )
Well, no, here's the problem. I have private insurance now. I have private insurance on my last job, and because I am getting up there in years, on the last job I took the more expensive Point of Service Plan instead of the HMO. (I referred to these as Piece of Shit and Horrible Medical Options, because neither one of them were great.)
Well, in 2007, I ran up a lot of medical issues. Required two operations, ran up something like $60,000 in medical claims. But heck, I had insurance! And even though I ended up paying something like $15,000 out of pocket, it was a good thing I had insurance.
Oh, no. Wait. After I made claims, they were suddenly very keen on getting me off the payroll, despite six years of glowing reviews.
A family making $75,000 per year should easily be able to afford their own health insurance. Obamacare does not make insurance more affordable. The sooner you admit that the sooner you'll be living in realityApparently, a good deal of the poorest didn't even know they qualified for Medicaid before Ocare or in some cases too proud to take the help....cigarette smokers don't owe Children Health care either...life sucks and then you die....
and many of these people getting subsidies on the exchange DO PAY TAXES too, so it is not just you paying for them, their own taxes are paying for themselves as well...
The poorest among us, already had Medicaid which paid for the most of that group category already, and long before Obamacare, was available to them.
.... but wasn't the 'poorest among us' the rationale for Obamacare?
And I don't know if he ever used the poorest among us as one of his ''sells''?
o-care gives some subsidy help to a family of 3 making $70-75k a year, if healthcare insurance is not provided by their employer...
so, it reaches lower to some upper middle class families, again, if healthcare benefits are not provided by their employers.... the o-care on the exchange is for people who work for a living, the Medicaid part covers those who primarily are not working, plus some very very low income families...is my understanding...
Liar...
Tell that to Mr. H who gave the example of making 85k, family of 3, and not being able to afford the cost of Health care Insurance.... it truly depends on where you live and what the cost of living is there.....
As I also mentioned earlier, On the Independent Insurance market, for a decent Health care plan that covered 80%/20% with a lower deductible, was just astronomical in price, about $12,500 a year, per PERSON here in Maine...and that is just ridiculous when the average family in Maine, combine income, is in the 40's...each state is different, but my State area, way up here in nowhere land, doesn't attract a lot of Doctors or Dentists....easier to be in a populated area to make their bucks.
Bullshit.. I How'd i get better than that for under $200 a month Maine has a problem then. ive never heard of such a thing it certainly isnt the norm, if even true. which i don't believe. Try competition across state lines, not blowing up the entire healthcare system
The sad part is they'll run to the government to get a subsidy to fund that.
and that would be bad, why?
Look, you guys want to maintain the current system of private insurance. There's no good reason for it, it adds nothing to the quality of care and makes our system more expensive - 18% of GDP compared to 8-11% of GDP for other industrialized nations.
It also makes us less competitive in the workplace in that employers have to add the cost of that health care onto every product they make while their German and Japanese counterparts just pay their tax and can produce cheaper products.
Too proud my ass. They aren't too proud to take food stamps, welfare, WIC, and live in government housing.
Yes, those poor people. HOW DARE they insist on continuing to live.
HOW DARE they demand someone else owes them a living.
Subsidies to one for healthcare no matter what they make is wrong. It means someone else is having more taken from them. Medicaid is the same thing. My former doctor started taking Medicaid patients. Last time I saw him, I had just paid my $30 copay and would get a bill for what my insurance didn't cover. A woman and her child came in. When she was asked to pay whatever the copay was for Medicaid, somewhere around $3, she raised hell about that. I doubt she got a bill later either.
I got to wonder what kind of fucked up you are that you begrudge a poor woman $3.00.
The sad part is they'll run to the government to get a subsidy to fund that.
and that would be bad, why?
Look, you guys want to maintain the current system of private insurance. There's no good reason for it, it adds nothing to the quality of care and makes our system more expensive - 18% of GDP compared to 8-11% of GDP for other industrialized nations.
It also makes us less competitive in the workplace in that employers have to add the cost of that health care onto every product they make while their German and Japanese counterparts just pay their tax and can produce cheaper products.
A family making $75,000 per year should easily be able to afford their own health insurance. Obamacare does not make insurance more affordable. The sooner you admit that the sooner you'll be living in realityApparently, a good deal of the poorest didn't even know they qualified for Medicaid before Ocare or in some cases too proud to take the help....cigarette smokers don't owe Children Health care either...life sucks and then you die....I'm horrified at being forced to fund it for them. I don't owe them healthcare.
and many of these people getting subsidies on the exchange DO PAY TAXES too, so it is not just you paying for them, their own taxes are paying for themselves as well...
The poorest among us, already had Medicaid which paid for the most of that group category already, and long before Obamacare, was available to them.
.... but wasn't the 'poorest among us' the rationale for Obamacare?
And I don't know if he ever used the poorest among us as one of his ''sells''?
o-care gives some subsidy help to a family of 3 making $70-75k a year, if healthcare insurance is not provided by their employer...
so, it reaches lower to some upper middle class families, again, if healthcare benefits are not provided by their employers.... the o-care on the exchange is for people who work for a living, the Medicaid part covers those who primarily are not working, plus some very very low income families...is my understanding...
Liar...
Tell that to Mr. H who gave the example of making 85k, family of 3, and not being able to afford the cost of Health care Insurance.... it truly depends on where you live and what the cost of living is there.....
As I also mentioned earlier, On the Independent Insurance market, for a decent Health care plan that covered 80%/20% with a lower deductible, was just astronomical in price, about $12,500 a year, per PERSON here in Maine...and that is just ridiculous when the average family in Maine, combine income, is in the 40's...each state is different, but my State area, way up here in nowhere land, doesn't attract a lot of Doctors or Dentists....easier to be in a populated area to make their bucks.
Chamber of Commerce talking points. Who knew you were a fan
Because someone else besides them is being forced to pay for it on their sorry behalf. You may not see being forced to support someone that thinks you owe it to them as bad but I do. Since you don't have a problem with it, pay my portion. We'll see just how much you really care or whether or not you are the typical do nothing, good intention bleeding heart.
