Damning new testimony that Michael Brown indeed "charged" at the cop...

[Esmeralda]

Its astounding to see the vast difference in intellect between those who are jumping to cop hate and convicting the cop already...........vs those who are taking a calm, wait-and-see approach.

Those with a brain (seemingly mostly right wingers) are taking it all in, calmly, reserving judgement mostly. And acknowledging that A) Assaulting a cop is a horrible idea and B) A 6'4 300 lb person on drugs, even unarmed, who is assaulting you, and possibly trying to take your gun, COULD still be a deadly threat.

This is absolutely the opposite of what is displayed on this and other threads on the subject.

 

[Wake]

Its astounding to see the vast difference in intellect between those who are jumping to cop hate and convicting the cop already...........vs those who are taking a calm, wait-and-see approach.

Those with a brain (seemingly mostly right wingers) are taking it all in, calmly, reserving judgement mostly. And acknowledging that A) Assaulting a cop is a horrible idea and B) A 6'4 300 lb person on drugs, even unarmed, who is assaulting you, and possibly trying to take your gun, COULD still be a deadly threat.

This is absolutely the opposite of what is displayed on this and other threads on the subject.

I agree with this.

More than some members on both sides of the issue have been guilty of casting judgment before the trial has even started. This includes calling the cop a murderer and calling Mr. Brown a thug who deserved to die. We simply do not know all the facts. It'd be prudent to withhold coming to a conclusion...

 

[Peach]

Its astounding to see the vast difference in intellect between those who are jumping to cop hate and convicting the cop already...........vs those who are taking a calm, wait-and-see approach.

Those with a brain (seemingly mostly right wingers) are taking it all in, calmly, reserving judgement mostly. And acknowledging that A) Assaulting a cop is a horrible idea and B) A 6'4 300 lb person on drugs, even unarmed, who is assaulting you, and possibly trying to take your gun, COULD still be a deadly threat.

This is absolutely the opposite of what is displayed on this and other threads on the subject.

I agree with this.

More than some members on both sides of the issue have been guilty of casting judgment before the trial has even started. This includes calling the cop a murderer and calling Mr. Brown a thug who deserved to die. We simply do not know all the facts. It'd be prudent to withhold coming to a conclusion...

That is the sensible view, the public does not yet know all the facts.

 

[Asclepias]

Its astounding to see the vast difference in intellect between those who are jumping to cop hate and convicting the cop already...........vs those who are taking a calm, wait-and-see approach.

Those with a brain (seemingly mostly right wingers) are taking it all in, calmly, reserving judgement mostly. And acknowledging that A) Assaulting a cop is a horrible idea and B) A 6'4 300 lb person on drugs, even unarmed, who is assaulting you, and possibly trying to take your gun, COULD still be a deadly threat.

This is absolutely the opposite of what is displayed on this and other threads on the subject.

I agree with this.

More than some members on both sides of the issue have been guilty of casting judgment before the trial has even started. This includes calling the cop a murderer and calling Mr. Brown a thug who deserved to die. We simply do not know all the facts. It'd be prudent to withhold coming to a conclusion...

That is the sensible view, the public does not yet know all the facts.

I dont think there will ever be a consensus on exactly what the facts are.

 

[bucs90]

We afe the facebook and twitter generation. WE CANT WAIT for information. We act like fucking whiny children: I want it NOW NOW NOW!!!!

So when we are told "you have to be patient" our brains explode and we act like idiots.

 

[bucs90]

Its astounding to see the vast difference in intellect between those who are jumping to cop hate and convicting the cop already...........vs those who are taking a calm, wait-and-see approach.

Those with a brain (seemingly mostly right wingers) are taking it all in, calmly, reserving judgement mostly. And acknowledging that A) Assaulting a cop is a horrible idea and B) A 6'4 300 lb person on drugs, even unarmed, who is assaulting you, and possibly trying to take your gun, COULD still be a deadly threat.

This is absolutely the opposite of what is displayed on this and other threads on the subject.

I agree with this.

More than some members on both sides of the issue have been guilty of casting judgment before the trial has even started. This includes calling the cop a murderer and calling Mr. Brown a thug who deserved to die. We simply do not know all the facts. It'd be prudent to withhold coming to a conclusion...

That is the sensible view, the public does not yet know all the facts.

I dont think there will ever be a consensus on exactly what the facts are.[/QUOTE]
White cop shot black man. NOTHING else matters apparently.

 

[Asclepias]

Its astounding to see the vast difference in intellect between those who are jumping to cop hate and convicting the cop already...........vs those who are taking a calm, wait-and-see approach.

Those with a brain (seemingly mostly right wingers) are taking it all in, calmly, reserving judgement mostly. And acknowledging that A) Assaulting a cop is a horrible idea and B) A 6'4 300 lb person on drugs, even unarmed, who is assaulting you, and possibly trying to take your gun, COULD still be a deadly threat.

This is absolutely the opposite of what is displayed on this and other threads on the subject.

I agree with this.

More than some members on both sides of the issue have been guilty of casting judgment before the trial has even started. This includes calling the cop a murderer and calling Mr. Brown a thug who deserved to die. We simply do not know all the facts. It'd be prudent to withhold coming to a conclusion...

That is the sensible view, the public does not yet know all the facts.

I dont think there will ever be a consensus on exactly what the facts are.

White cop shot black man. NOTHING else matters apparently.[/QUOTE]

You mean white cop shot a unarmed Black kid....again. That's the point of contention. The pathology is "was he justified?"

 

[Jackson]

Its astounding to see the vast difference in intellect between those who are jumping to cop hate and convicting the cop already...........vs those who are taking a calm, wait-and-see approach.

Those with a brain (seemingly mostly right wingers) are taking it all in, calmly, reserving judgement mostly. And acknowledging that A) Assaulting a cop is a horrible idea and B) A 6'4 300 lb person on drugs, even unarmed, who is assaulting you, and possibly trying to take your gun, COULD still be a deadly threat.

This is absolutely the opposite of what is displayed on this and other threads on the subject.

I agree with this.

More than some members on both sides of the issue have been guilty of casting judgment before the trial has even started. This includes calling the cop a murderer and calling Mr. Brown a thug who deserved to die. We simply do not know all the facts. It'd be prudent to withhold coming to a conclusion...

That is the sensible view, the public does not yet know all the facts.

I dont think there will ever be a consensus on exactly what the facts are.

White cop shot black man. NOTHING else matters apparently.

You mean white cop shot a unarmed Black kid....again. That's the point of contention. The pathology is "was he justified?"[/QUOTE]

We mean a kid struggled with a cop, tried to get his gun, fractured bones in his face, ran away and when told to freeze, he charged at the officer. The cop shot him. The race of the two does not matter.

 

[Asclepias]

Its astounding to see the vast difference in intellect between those who are jumping to cop hate and convicting the cop already...........vs those who are taking a calm, wait-and-see approach.

Those with a brain (seemingly mostly right wingers) are taking it all in, calmly, reserving judgement mostly. And acknowledging that A) Assaulting a cop is a horrible idea and B) A 6'4 300 lb person on drugs, even unarmed, who is assaulting you, and possibly trying to take your gun, COULD still be a deadly threat.

This is absolutely the opposite of what is displayed on this and other threads on the subject.

I agree with this.

More than some members on both sides of the issue have been guilty of casting judgment before the trial has even started. This includes calling the cop a murderer and calling Mr. Brown a thug who deserved to die. We simply do not know all the facts. It'd be prudent to withhold coming to a conclusion...

That is the sensible view, the public does not yet know all the facts.

I dont think there will ever be a consensus on exactly what the facts are.

White cop shot black man. NOTHING else matters apparently.

You mean white cop shot a unarmed Black kid....again. That's the point of contention. The pathology is "was he justified?"

We mean a kid struggled with a cop, tried to get his gun, fractured bones in his face, ran away and when told to freeze, he charged at the officer. The cop shot him. The race of the two does not matter.[/QUOTE]


Exhibit A. See what I mean?

 

[georgephillip]

FWIW, I'm temporarily convinced Officer Wilson's action were entirely justified, but that doesn't mean all of his fellow officers don't include a few racist thugs.

And that has exactly what to do with this particular case?
If you had to deal with a bunch of sub-humans every day whose only goal every day is the 'three F's' what would you do? The three 'F's? Fight Fuck or Figure out a way to take something that doesn't belong to them.

Are you capable of understanding how centuries of slavery followed by systemic and structural racism and oppression in the US have resulted in multigenerational maladaptive behaviors (your 3 Fs) which began as survival strategies?

Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm . . . no. The maladaptive behaviors are the result of being illegitimate children raised on the welfare plantation.

Do you see how illegitimacy and dependency logically follow from plantation capitalism?

It flows from the welfare state, from the government paying women to have children out of wedlock. It's simple economics. You get more of what you pay for. It has nothing to do with "capitalism" aside from the fact that capitalism provides the funds to pay for it.

You should learn some of the relevant history of capitalism in the US; prior to the Civil War, there was no capitalism without slavery. They were one and the same, exact thing. Your ignorance is living proof the two are still deeply entwined.

 

[mamooth]

There are 4 named witnesses on public record all telling close to the same story that goes against what the cops will probably say. And you expect some deviation in eyewitness testimony. If everyone said exactly the same thing, that would be evidence of being coached.

In comparison, there are zero named witnesses backing up what will probably be the cop version of the story. There's nothing there but hearsay and a mystery voice. If you say there are witnesses, back it up and name them.

Of course, I can't flat out say the police version of the story is inconsistent, since the police won't give an official version of the story.

The police did claim officer Wilson was injured, yet video of after the shooting shows no injuries on Wilson, no discomfort on his part. He drove away on his own. A broken eye socket is a serious facial injury would have swollen his face up instantly and been intensely painful, something no amount of adrenaline could cover up. There were also no marks on the knuckles of Brown.

So, on one side, multiple witnesses with a consistent story, consistent with the autopsy. On the other side, cops with no witnesses, no official story, and a dodgy statement about an injury, which is inconsistent with video evidence and the autopsy.

No, no reason at all to be suspicious.

 

[Mustng]

There are 4 named witnesses on public record all telling close to the same story that goes against what the cops will probably say. And you expect some deviation in eyewitness testimony. If everyone said exactly the same thing, that would be evidence of being coached.

There will be no deviation. "Snitches get Stitches"....remember

In comparison, there are zero named witnesses backing up what will probably be the cop version of the story. There's nothing there but hearsay and a mystery voice. If you say there are witnesses, back it up and name them.

Of course, I can't flat out say the police version of the story is inconsistent, since the police won't give an official version of the story.

I don't think it will be released until they have all their witness statements


The police did claim officer Wilson was injured, yet video of after the shooting shows no injuries on Wilson, no discomfort on his part. He drove away on his own. A broken eye socket is a serious facial injury would have swollen his face up instantly and been intensely painful, something no amount of adrenaline could cover up. There were also no marks on the knuckles of Brown.

So, on one side, multiple witnesses with a consistent story, consistent with the autopsy. On the other side, cops with no witnesses, no official story, and a dodgy statement about an injury, which is inconsistent with video evidence and the autopsy.

No, no reason at all to be suspicious.

 

[MizMolly]

The video contains two different accounts. One who witnessed it himself & is caught on audio explaining what he saw to his friend. The second is a woman who claims to be friends with the officer & recounts the story he told her.

While I think the second could be considered heresay, the first is a raw uncut eyewitness account.

You guys can post doctored videos all day long and its not going to change anything. The autopsy pretty much nails it and matches the testimony of the two women. Your boy wonder cop is in a world of trouble

The autopsy shows the bullets entered from the front, dumbshit. How would that happen if the cop fired when the big ugly brute was running away?

The cop evidently only grazed him from behind or hit his forearm retard. Just because he may not have hit anything from behind doesnt mean he wasnt shooting. How many bullets did they pull out of the neighbors house again? How fucking dumb are you?

There's no "evidently" here at all-----there is NO evidence that the officer shot at the perp while he was walking away.

Yes there is. The eyewitnesses that all say he shot at Brown as he was running away.

Not true, I searched online and several sites say witnesses back up Wilson's account.

 

[bucs90]

The police did claim officer Wilson was injured, yet video of after the shooting shows no injuries on Wilson, no discomfort on his part. He drove away on his own. A broken eye socket is a serious facial injury would have swollen his face up instantly and been intensely painful, something no amount of adrenaline could cover up. .

That's a common injury in the UFC. And they do an interview then walk out of the cage, and don't look all that swollen up. Adrenaline covers a lot.

 

[MizMolly]

More than a dozen witnesses back up cop’s version of Ferguson shooting, police sources say - BizPac Review

 

[CaféAuLait]

The video contains two different accounts. One who witnessed it himself & is caught on audio explaining what he saw to his friend. The second is a woman who claims to be friends with the officer & recounts the story he told her.

While I think the second could be considered heresay, the first is a raw uncut eyewitness account.

You guys can post doctored videos all day long and its not going to change anything. The autopsy pretty much nails it and matches the testimony of the two women. Your boy wonder cop is in a world of trouble

The autopsy shows the bullets entered from the front, dumbshit. How would that happen if the cop fired when the big ugly brute was running away?

The cop evidently only grazed him from behind or hit his forearm retard. Just because he may not have hit anything from behind doesnt mean he wasnt shooting. How many bullets did they pull out of the neighbors house again? How fucking dumb are you?

There's no "evidently" here at all-----there is NO evidence that the officer shot at the perp while he was walking away.

Yes there is. The eyewitnesses that all say he shot at Brown as he was running away.

Not true, I searched online and several sites say witnesses back up Wilson's account.

Yup and here is a NY Times article which has witnesee accounts which stat Brown was moving towards the officer and another which states he may been punching the officer in the face.

Shooting Accounts Differ as Holder Schedules Visit to Ferguson

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html

 

[Esmeralda]

The video contains two different accounts. One who witnessed it himself & is caught on audio explaining what he saw to his friend. The second is a woman who claims to be friends with the officer & recounts the story he told her.

While I think the second could be considered heresay, the first is a raw uncut eyewitness account.

You guys can post doctored videos all day long and its not going to change anything. The autopsy pretty much nails it and matches the testimony of the two women. Your boy wonder cop is in a world of trouble

The autopsy shows the bullets entered from the front, dumbshit. How would that happen if the cop fired when the big ugly brute was running away?

The cop evidently only grazed him from behind or hit his forearm retard. Just because he may not have hit anything from behind doesnt mean he wasnt shooting. How many bullets did they pull out of the neighbors house again? How fucking dumb are you?

There's no "evidently" here at all-----there is NO evidence that the officer shot at the perp while he was walking away.

Yes there is. The eyewitnesses that all say he shot at Brown as he was running away.

Not true, I searched online and several sites say witnesses back up Wilson's account.

Yup and here is a NY Times article which has witnesee accounts which stat Brown was moving towards the officer and another which states he may been punching the officer in the face.

Shooting Accounts Differ as Holder Schedules Visit to Ferguson

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html

I read the entire article carefully. What you state is not quite true, at least not what you imply. The article states there are conflicting eyewitness reports. Though Brown may have been moving toward the officer, witnesses do not suggest he was charging the officer but that he was surrendering while the officer continued to shoot at him.

It is off the walls insane to suggest that someone who is being shot at would charge the person shooting a him, especially when he had been running away and getting away. Why would anyone turn and walk into a barrage of bullets? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Witnesses also state that the officer appeared to have tried to grab Brown by the throat (through the passenger car window) when Brown struggled away, and when the gun went off inside the car. It appeared to witnesses that the officer had maybe attempted to pull out his gun while he had Brown by the neck, and that's when Brown struggled free and ran. Then Wilson got out of the car and started shooting at Brown. Which is IMO not appropriate. Did he yell for Brown "Stop or I'll shoot"? If not, and he just started shooting, that is not appropriate police procedure. Also, it seems way over the top to shoot a kid for stealing a package of cigars. It indicates the attitude the Ferguson police have toward blacks.

There are varying accounts in your article, but you seem to ignore what you don't like.

As well, according to your article, the Attorney General and the FBI are going to look into the general practices of the Ferguson police department. It is my opinion, and obviously an issue the Federal Government is considering, that the police department there does not treat the black population well, hence so much protesting over this event

The thing is, the summary of the incident that the right wing wants to believe just doesn't make sense, that this teenager simply reached inside the police car and tried to get the cop's gun, that he charged at a police officer who was shooting at him. Those things doen't make sense.

What makes sense is that Brown leaned on the open window of the passenger side of the car, had words with Wilson, was probably not respectful, and Wilson tried to grab him by the neck whilst getting out his gun. Brown struggled away and Wilson's gun went off because he didn't have complete control of it. Brown began to run when Wilson got out the car and started shooting. He grazed Brown in the arm, and Brown, realizing he could die, turned and tried to surrender, walking back toward Wilson with his hand raised. Wilson continued to fire at him, even though Brown was halfway down to the ground either in surrender or because of being wounded. The officer was out of contol; he lost control of himself and the situation.That's what makes sense. And that is essentially what many witnesses describe.

 

[bucs90]

No one would charge into bullets. Thats why Wilson fired...to stop Gentle Giant's charge. Makes sense.

 

[CaféAuLait]

The video contains two different accounts. One who witnessed it himself & is caught on audio explaining what he saw to his friend. The second is a woman who claims to be friends with the officer & recounts the story he told her.

While I think the second could be considered heresay, the first is a raw uncut eyewitness account.

You guys can post doctored videos all day long and its not going to change anything. The autopsy pretty much nails it and matches the testimony of the two women. Your boy wonder cop is in a world of trouble

The autopsy shows the bullets entered from the front, dumbshit. How would that happen if the cop fired when the big ugly brute was running away?

The cop evidently only grazed him from behind or hit his forearm retard. Just because he may not have hit anything from behind doesnt mean he wasnt shooting. How many bullets did they pull out of the neighbors house again? How fucking dumb are you?

There's no "evidently" here at all-----there is NO evidence that the officer shot at the perp while he was walking away.

Yes there is. The eyewitnesses that all say he shot at Brown as he was running away.

Not true, I searched online and several sites say witnesses back up Wilson's account.

Yup and here is a NY Times article which has witnesee accounts which stat Brown was moving towards the officer and another which states he may been punching the officer in the face.

Shooting Accounts Differ as Holder Schedules Visit to Ferguson

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html

I read the entire article carefully. What you state is not quite true, at least not what you imply. The article states there are conflicting eyewitness reports. Though Brown may have been moving toward the officer, witnesses do not suggest he was charging the officer but that he was surrendering, while the officer continued to shoot at him. It is off the walls insane to suggest that someone who is being shot at would charge the person shooting a him, especially when he had been running away and getting away. Why would anyone turn and walk into a barrage of bullets? Makes no sense whatever. Witnesses also state that the officer appeared to have tried to grab Brown by the throat when Brown struggled away, and when the gun went off inside the car. It appeared to witnesses that the officer had maybe attempted to pull out his gun while he had Brown by the neck, and that's when Brown struggled free and ran.

There are varying accounts in your article, but you seem to ignore what you don't like.

As well, the Attorney General and the FBI are going to looking into general practices of the Ferguson police department. It is my opinion, and obviously an issue the Federal Government is considering, is that the police department there does not treat the black population well, hence so much protesting over this event.

When I replied just then it was to someone who said there were witnesses who back up the officers account, that is what I was responding to.

And there was the one man who said he was not sure if Brown was punching the cop or not, he could have been and the other which totally discount the fact he was just standing there. They said he was moving forward towards the cop.

 

[Esmeralda]

The video contains two different accounts. One who witnessed it himself & is caught on audio explaining what he saw to his friend. The second is a woman who claims to be friends with the officer & recounts the story he told her.

While I think the second could be considered heresay, the first is a raw uncut eyewitness account.

You guys can post doctored videos all day long and its not going to change anything. The autopsy pretty much nails it and matches the testimony of the two women. Your boy wonder cop is in a world of trouble

The autopsy shows the bullets entered from the front, dumbshit. How would that happen if the cop fired when the big ugly brute was running away?

The cop evidently only grazed him from behind or hit his forearm retard. Just because he may not have hit anything from behind doesnt mean he wasnt shooting. How many bullets did they pull out of the neighbors house again? How fucking dumb are you?

There's no "evidently" here at all-----there is NO evidence that the officer shot at the perp while he was walking away.

Yes there is. The eyewitnesses that all say he shot at Brown as he was running away.

Not true, I searched online and several sites say witnesses back up Wilson's account.

Yup and here is a NY Times article which has witnesee accounts which stat Brown was moving towards the officer and another which states he may been punching the officer in the face.

Shooting Accounts Differ as Holder Schedules Visit to Ferguson

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html

I read the entire article carefully. What you state is not quite true, at least not what you imply. The article states there are conflicting eyewitness reports. Though Brown may have been moving toward the officer, witnesses do not suggest he was charging the officer but that he was surrendering, while the officer continued to shoot at him. It is off the walls insane to suggest that someone who is being shot at would charge the person shooting a him, especially when he had been running away and getting away. Why would anyone turn and walk into a barrage of bullets? Makes no sense whatever. Witnesses also state that the officer appeared to have tried to grab Brown by the throat when Brown struggled away, and when the gun went off inside the car. It appeared to witnesses that the officer had maybe attempted to pull out his gun while he had Brown by the neck, and that's when Brown struggled free and ran.

There are varying accounts in your article, but you seem to ignore what you don't like.

As well, the Attorney General and the FBI are going to looking into general practices of the Ferguson police department. It is my opinion, and obviously an issue the Federal Government is considering, is that the police department there does not treat the black population well, hence so much protesting over this event.

When I replied just then it was to someone who said there were witnesses who back up the officers account, that is what I was responding to.

And there was the one man who said he was not sure if Brown was punching the cop or not, he could have been and the other which totally discount the fact he was just standing there. They said he was moving forward towards the cop.

If he was surrendering, that would account for him moving forward towards the cop. He is still a kid and not one that had been in lots of trouble, was a gang member, etc. He would not know the 'proper' way to surrender, so he may have been moving somewhat in the direction of the cop. I think the struggle in the car did have to do with Wilson trying to grab Brown by the throat whilst pulling out his gun in order to arrest him. I think it makes sense that Brown may have leaned into the car and been a smart aleck with the cop, which enraged Wilson. It's true, this thing could have been prevented if Brown had been completely, and quietly, compliant, but he wasn't; however, that does not mean he deserved to be shot at and killed.