Dear Liberals: I Want a Divorce!

[kwc57]

At this faze in my life I would say bring a civil war on.....

We need real change and hope - and I don't see that happening through a democratic process....

The last thing I would want to see is war but if it takes war for that change then I suppose it is worth it for the future of the United States of America and our generations of children to come.

I know one thing - many people didn't die to see the future fumble the ball of freedom. They didn't die for nothing - not let their children create a socialist authoritarian/Orwellian "utopia."

They fought and died for liberty -- if they could we call can.

They didn't fight for a nanny state or large government they fought for freedom and liberty for all men (and woman)...

Liberty will be in short supply in conservative land, after they get through reversing every equal rights law ever instituted you will be lucky if you become indentured to a nice master rather than community property at the prison workhouse.

RINO's wont exist in "conservative land."

Besides, the majority of my fellow "conservatives" that are my age are actually libertarians.

There is nothing wrong with having family and religious values and partaking in and enjoying capitalism......

I don't need a government telling me how to live my life or how to parent a child or what my kid or even myself can ingest..... If you do then you can move to fucking Russia, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba etc....

......or Liberalland

 

[occupied]

Scientists working on some of the more esoteric angles of unified field theory make an astounding discovery, there are an infinity of alternate earths just waiting for humanity and the scientists discover the doorway. Humanity quickly makes the decision to abandon this depleted, polluted shitball for pristine elbow room. It is decided that the trip is one-way and open only to people who can convince enough like minded people to join them. You happen to be the leader of the liberals/conservatives when this comes about, what is your plan to get several million people to join you in your new Eden?

You realize Terra Nova was cancelled after one season don't you?

Terra Nova (TV Series 2011) - IMDb

Must not have been any good like everything else on the idiot box.

 

[kwc57]

To my process oriented mind the topic is a lot like discussing practical ways to start a horrible civil war, funny stuff there. As far as liberals are concerned most current US systems are acceptable, minus the corruption and unbalanced priorities, as well as the bulk of American case law (and regulatory structure). Why are you wanting to keep the constitution again?

At this faze in my life I would say bring a civil war on.....

We need real change and hope - and I don't see that happening through a democratic process....

The last thing I would want to see is war but if it takes war for that change then I suppose it is worth it for the future of the United States of America and our generations of children to come.

I know one thing - many people didn't die to see the future fumble the ball of freedom. They didn't die for nothing - not let their children create a socialist authoritarian/Orwellian "utopia."

They fought and died for liberty -- if they could we call can.

They didn't fight for a nanny state or large government they fought for freedom and liberty for all men (and woman)...

Liberty will be in short supply in conservative land, after they get through reversing every equal rights law ever instituted you will be lucky if you become indentured to a nice master rather than community property at the prison workhouse.

See, that's what you just don't get. Conservative value liberty far more than liberals. The most current case in point, Bloomberg's ban on large sodas to save fat people from themselves. Seriously? Where does it end? Liberals don't believe that people can take personal responsibility for their own actions and that the government knows better and must regulate the day to day life of the citizens. In a conservative society, you're not going to have that kind of bullshit. Now, before you start making noise about social conservatives wanting to legislate morality, I'll agree with you. They co-opt the word conservative. The key word in their label is "social". They are socialist conservatives......statists......who want ot use the power of government to control the life of the people, just the polar opposite of socialist liberals. Liberals do NOT value liberty. In Liberalland, the government will be central and will regulate your daily life, absolving you of any responsibility. In Conservativeland, you will have to practice self control and personal responsibility and own your actions. In short, you will have the liberty to live your life and reap the benefits or suffer the consequences without government intervention. That is what real liberty is.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Scientists working on some of the more esoteric angles of unified field theory make an astounding discovery, there are an infinity of alternate earths just waiting for humanity and the scientists discover the doorway.

Well, maybe you can find one where the Soviet Union didn't fall and Stalinism is global. The perfect world for the OWS shitters.

Humanity quickly makes the decision to abandon this depleted, polluted shitball for pristine elbow room.

You can make that decision now, get your self a rope, find a stout tree branch......

It is decided that the trip is one-way and open only to people who can convince enough like minded people to join them. You happen to be the leader of the liberals/conservatives when this comes about, what is your plan to get several million people to join you in your new Eden?

I described a one-way trip to Eden for you, all you need do is act....

 

[Uncensored2008]

As leader of the Libertarian contigient, we huddled and came up with the following.

MASSIVE ad campaign emphasizing what "a shitball we live on".. Place is literally tapped-out and about to flood.. (thanks for the script) Recruit Al Gore for the voice-over.
Alternate that with scenes of the "New Eden" and current administration lack of plans to solve anything. At the end of each Ad, give the phone numbers for the Liberal and Conservative groups trying to recruit emmigrants to "New Eden".

Throw those groups a huge Bon Vonage party, buy their keys and deeds at rock bottom prices --- and wave them off into the next dimension.
Then we smile, look around and taste the freedom and start turning the Earth they left us into a fixer-upper that we can sell for a handsome profit..

And all they need to do to get to this new Eden is to drink a cup of Koolaide....

 

[kwc57]

Liberty will be in short supply in conservative land, after they get through reversing every equal rights law ever instituted you will be lucky if you become indentured to a nice master rather than community property at the prison workhouse.

RINO's wont exist in "conservative land."

Besides, the majority of my fellow "conservatives" that are my age are actually libertarians.

There is nothing wrong with having family and religious values and partaking in and enjoying capitalism......

I don't need a government telling me how to live my life or how to parent a child or what my kid or even myself can ingest..... If you do then you can move to fucking Russia, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba etc....

Rinos are padding your numbers, if they are not even welcome in conservative land then your numbers drop to about 15-20 percent, Since the country will be cut up by population then it looks like you just get part of the south, looking bad for you getting the lions share of the country.

Good Lord, you still don't get what is going on do you? No one has asked for the "lion's share" of the country. Go back and reread the whole premise. This is a amicable no fualt divorce settlement. If you were in school, you'd be getting an F at this point.

 

[occupied]

In Conservastan the public execution channel will be a real hit along with the monster hit Ow my balls!


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_4jrMwvZ2A]Ow my Balls! Idiocracy - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Uncensored2008]

Libs can also take rdean, jillian, article15, joeb and jakestarkey.

Well yeah, who do you think will be running the Gulags and reeducation camps?

 

[kwc57]

Rinos are padding your numbers, if they are not even welcome in conservative land then your numbers drop to about 15-20 percent, Since the country will be cut up by population then it looks like you just get part of the south, looking bad for you getting the lions share of the country.

RINO's are probably 10% of the republican party.... The Tea Party is doing a good job bouncing them...

So, who are you going to whine about after the libruls are all gone? who is going to be the scapegoat for all the bad things that happen? Not sure the TP is ready for that kind of responsibility, be like working without a net.

You know, the TP is made up of people who have worked their whole life to build something for themselves and their family and understand personal responsibility. Now the OWS crowd living in boxes and tents and demanding a high paying job while shitting on police cars........know nothing or responsibility. You do know that if you talk nice to the mods, they might let you change your screen name don't you?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sounds like a good time to me.

Yeah, like the Khmer Rouge all over again...

 

[kwc57]

LOL thanks KWC, but they continue to underscore why we want the divorce in the first place. They don't like us. They don't like anything about us. They think we are evil, hateful, ignorant, stupid, and scary. And certainly I am being thoroughly pummeled because they don't like the way I'm stating our position though so far they haven't come up with anything to dispute it other than they don't like it. For the life of me I can't imagine why they wouldn't relish the idea of being rid of us.

The only reasons I can think of is
a) Most have no sense of humor at all
b) Most have no imagination whatsoever
c) The thought of having to depend on other liberals to support them is apparently terrifying
d None so far have been able to articulate a reason for why they deserve what we want more than we do.
e) None apparently have a clue how they would structure anything in Liberalland.
f) All they have is insulting conservatives and conservatism and that's pretty pathetic.

But given the tremendous support for a divorce as indicated in our straw poll here, we shall bravely forge on.

But you are correct that they would have no fear of us, because so far they haven't described anything that we would want. It is specifically all the stuff they promote that we don't want and vice versa that makes the divorce necessary.

As nobody has objected to us taking the guns, cops, and military, I am assuming that we are all in agreement that those go to Conservativeland.

Nobody has objected to all the illegals going to Liberalland, so I think we can agree on that as a done deal.

Unless somebody in Liberalland can come up with a good argument for why Liberalland would want the Constitution as the Founders intended that it be interpreted, I am guessing we are close to an agreement on that. We know pretty much everybody in Conservativeland does want that as it pretty much defines what a modern day American Conservative is.

Now let's look at our flag. Because of all the American ideals and hopes and dreams and expended blood and treasure that it represents, most Conservatives revere and respect the flag as a symbol of American exceptionalism. We don't dip it in front of foreign leaders. We treat it and display it with respect and expect school children to be instructed in the proper protocol for that and to be taught and recite the Pledge of Allegiance with pride. And even though we passionately respect and defend the First Amendment, culturally we deeply resent any who would disrespect the flag by burning or trampling on it or intentionally displaying it improperly. Disrespect for the flag will certainly not be a cultural norm in Conservativeland. And, as our National Anthem focuses on the flag as the symbol of our great nation, it seems reasonable that the two go hand in hand.

That is my argument for Conservativeland taking the flag and national anthem.

I encourage our liberal friends to make an argument for why Liberalland deserves and/or wants them more.

You honestly don't see the irony in wanting to tear the UNITED STATES asunder and then wanting the flag and constitution of the UNITED STATES to go to Teabaggertopia? What are you going to do? Cut out half the stars and stripes? You speak about respecting the flag and all it represents? I can think of nothing more disrespectful to the flag and this country than wanting to break it up over something as silly as the Liberal/Conservative disagreements. If you tear the country apart, the flag and the constitution will have no meaning except as a memory of a once great experiment in democracy.

I vote no divorce. This whole thing was decided a century and a half ago. Too many have fought and died to preserve this nation to just give up and throw it in the shitter.

In other words, you're worried about how you're going to get your free stuff if the people who pay for it are gone. I'd be worried too if I were an entitlement moocher.

 

[kwc57]

Libs can also take rdean, jillian, article15, joeb and jakestarkey.

Sounds like a good time to me.

Not really. They'll all expect someone else to supply the beer and then sit around and grumble because no one did. Buzz kill.

 

[occupied]

RINO's are probably 10% of the republican party.... The Tea Party is doing a good job bouncing them...

So, who are you going to whine about after the libruls are all gone? who is going to be the scapegoat for all the bad things that happen? Not sure the TP is ready for that kind of responsibility, be like working without a net.

You know, the TP is made up of people who have worked their whole life to build something for themselves and their family and understand personal responsibility. Now the OWS crowd living in boxes and tents and demanding a high paying job while shitting on police cars........know nothing or responsibility. You do know that if you talk nice to the mods, they might let you change your screen name don't you?

The TP operates entirely on stereotypes, they made up their own reality and here they are on the side of the banks when they started out opposing corporate socialism. Now that you know who your leaders would be in conservastan do you really feel like you would be free?

 

[kwc57]

Scientists working on some of the more esoteric angles of unified field theory make an astounding discovery, there are an infinity of alternate earths just waiting for humanity and the scientists discover the doorway. Humanity quickly makes the decision to abandon this depleted, polluted shitball for pristine elbow room. It is decided that the trip is one-way and open only to people who can convince enough like minded people to join them. You happen to be the leader of the liberals/conservatives when this comes about, what is your plan to get several million people to join you in your new Eden?

You realize Terra Nova was cancelled after one season don't you?

Terra Nova (TV Series 2011) - IMDb

Must not have been any good like everything else on the idiot box.

Well, you said you were going to be creative and present a scenario. You presented Terra Nova.

 

[occupied]

You realize Terra Nova was cancelled after one season don't you?

Terra Nova (TV Series 2011) - IMDb

Must not have been any good like everything else on the idiot box.

Well, you said you were going to be creative and present a scenario. You presented Terra Nova.

Never heard of it, however I did present a fairly standard sci-fi scenario, the point is that in this one all things are equal and no one enters planet Reagan against their will.

 

[kwc57]

So, who are you going to whine about after the libruls are all gone? who is going to be the scapegoat for all the bad things that happen? Not sure the TP is ready for that kind of responsibility, be like working without a net.

You know, the TP is made up of people who have worked their whole life to build something for themselves and their family and understand personal responsibility. Now the OWS crowd living in boxes and tents and demanding a high paying job while shitting on police cars........know nothing or responsibility. You do know that if you talk nice to the mods, they might let you change your screen name don't you?

The TP operates entirely on stereotypes, they made up their own reality and here they are on the side of the banks when they started out opposing corporate socialism. Now that you know who your leaders would be in conservastan do you really feel like you would be free?

Dude, the occupiers here in OKC were a block away from my downtown office and I saw them every day. Yes, I would be far more comfortable with TP people being in leadership than the clowns I saw squatting in the park. TP folks have spent their entire lives working and taking responsibility and want to preserve that for themesleves and future generations. Occupiers have done little more than demand "stuff" like spoiled children. I'll take the TP folks and you can have your occupier meetings in a cardboard box where the topic of discussion is, "somebody, someplace should do something".

 

[Foxfyre]

LOL thanks KWC, but they continue to underscore why we want the divorce in the first place. They don't like us. They don't like anything about us. They think we are evil, hateful, ignorant, stupid, and scary. And certainly I am being thoroughly pummeled because they don't like the way I'm stating our position though so far they haven't come up with anything to dispute it other than they don't like it. For the life of me I can't imagine why they wouldn't relish the idea of being rid of us.

The only reasons I can think of is
a) Most have no sense of humor at all
b) Most have no imagination whatsoever
c) The thought of having to depend on other liberals to support them is apparently terrifying
d None so far have been able to articulate a reason for why they deserve what we want more than we do.
e) None apparently have a clue how they would structure anything in Liberalland.
f) All they have is insulting conservatives and conservatism and that's pretty pathetic.

But given the tremendous support for a divorce as indicated in our straw poll here, we shall bravely forge on.

But you are correct that they would have no fear of us, because so far they haven't described anything that we would want. It is specifically all the stuff they promote that we don't want and vice versa that makes the divorce necessary.

As nobody has objected to us taking the guns, cops, and military, I am assuming that we are all in agreement that those go to Conservativeland.

Nobody has objected to all the illegals going to Liberalland, so I think we can agree on that as a done deal.

Unless somebody in Liberalland can come up with a good argument for why Liberalland would want the Constitution as the Founders intended that it be interpreted, I am guessing we are close to an agreement on that. We know pretty much everybody in Conservativeland does want that as it pretty much defines what a modern day American Conservative is.

Now let's look at our flag. Because of all the American ideals and hopes and dreams and expended blood and treasure that it represents, most Conservatives revere and respect the flag as a symbol of American exceptionalism. We don't dip it in front of foreign leaders. We treat it and display it with respect and expect school children to be instructed in the proper protocol for that and to be taught and recite the Pledge of Allegiance with pride. And even though we passionately respect and defend the First Amendment, culturally we deeply resent any who would disrespect the flag by burning or trampling on it or intentionally displaying it improperly. Disrespect for the flag will certainly not be a cultural norm in Conservativeland. And, as our National Anthem focuses on the flag as the symbol of our great nation, it seems reasonable that the two go hand in hand.

That is my argument for Conservativeland taking the flag and national anthem.

I encourage our liberal friends to make an argument for why Liberalland deserves and/or wants them more.

You honestly don't see the irony in wanting to tear the UNITED STATES asunder and then wanting the flag and constitution of the UNITED STATES to go to Teabaggertopia? What are you going to do? Cut out half the stars and stripes? You speak about respecting the flag and all it represents? I can think of nothing more disrespectful to the flag and this country than wanting to break it up over something as silly as the Liberal/Conservative disagreements. If you tear the country apart, the flag and the constitution will have no meaning except as a memory of a once great experiment in democracy.

I vote no divorce. This whole thing was decided a century and a half ago. Too many have fought and died to preserve this nation to just give up and throw it in the shitter.

In other words, you're worried about how you're going to get your free stuff if the people who pay for it are gone. I'd be worried too if I were an entitlement moocher.

But in a true no fault divorce, everybody is allowed to have what he or she wants from what is, and that includes entitlements. Conservativeland won't have them, but power to Liberalland if they want them all.

Also nobody is tearing anything apart. As you say this is a mutual agreement. Conservatives get back the country the Founders intended for them to have. Liberals get the country they think would be so much better. Everybody is happy and each CHOOSES--is not forced to but CHOOSES--to go their own way. No fault. No blame. Just each getting what they want out of the deal. Each having the country they want.

Any of our liberal friends who think life would be better in Conservativeland will be welcome to choose that side provided they understand that it will be Conservativeland. The RINOS can also chooose either side, but most will likely choose Liberalland. Just think how glorious that will be in Liberalland. Democrats and Republicans hand in hand, singing "We Are the World" and implementing everything their President, most likely Obama, wants to do in perfect harmony. Nobody left out. Everybody cared for. Nobody to object to any social program, any form of abortion, any definition of marriage. Nobody made uncomfortable or unwelcome as nobody will be denied anything that society thinks they should have. No crime because there will be no guns. Strict political correctness will ensure that nobody is ever offended or gets their feelings hurt. No conservative talk radio or Fox News to disturb the peace. The government will be free to collect all the taxes it needs to ensure that nobody lacks anything.

How can you liberals be resisting this fantastic Utopia that you will b able to build?

It is purely because of the philosophical divide and the intense contempt and animosity that currently exists, and the different perceptions of how a country should be run, that makes the divorce necessary. So rather than continue to express that contempt and animosity, how much more pleasant it will be to allow those things that each side wants with our blessings and part company?

 

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Everyone gets the premise by now Foxfyre, it just offends the hell out of some.

 

[geauxtohell]

I almost got killed in Afghanistan. I lost a good friend in Afghanistan.

I sacrificed a little to serve this nation. Others sacrificed a lot more or everything for this nation.

It's only mildly depressing to see the cognitively impaired view the nation in terms of political ideology.

Maybe we don't deserve what we have.

 

[Foxfyre]

Everyone gets the premise by now Foxfyre, it just offends the hell out of some.

So far it only seems to offend liberals. Why do you think that is? I think it underscores why we need the divorce. Conservative perceptions and concepts are offensive to liberals. I have the neg reps to prove it. All you have to do is read this thread (and hundreds of others) to see it. I KNOW that conservatism is distasteful and hateful to liberals. Conservatives don't like liberalism any better. That's why we need the divorce.

We need it because you liberals continue to attack me or anybody else who dares express a conviction that they don't like or appreciate liberalism while supporting and promoting conservatism. I am very much personally resented and despised for even suggesting the exercise to explore it. But even as you refuse or are unable to support or defend liberal concepts, you would deny us the right to have the Conservativeland that we want. It is on such irreconcilable differences that mutual divorces are based.

You guys hate everything about conservatism. I understand and accept that.

What I don't understand is why the ideal of a Liberalland that includes every liberal concept that you guys keep saying is the right ideal is apparently so terrifying to you.