Dear Liberals: I Want a Divorce!

[kwc57]

Everyone gets the premise by now Foxfyre, it just offends the hell out of some.

So far it only seems to offend liberals. Why do you think that is? I think it underscores why we need the divorce. Conservative perceptions and concepts are offensive to liberals. I have the neg reps to prove it. All you have to do is read this thread (and hundreds of others) to see it. I KNOW that conservatism is distasteful and hateful to liberals. Conservatives don't like liberalism any better. That's why we need the divorce.

We need it because you liberals continue to attack me or anybody else who dares express a conviction that they don't like or appreciate liberalism while supporting and promoting conservatism. I am very much personally resented and despised for even suggesting the exercise to explore it. But even as you refuse or are unable to support or defend liberal concepts, you would deny us the right to have the Conservativeland that we want. It is on such irreconcilable differences that mutual divorces are based.

You guys hate everything about conservatism. I understand and accept that.

What I don't understand is why the ideal of a Liberalland that includes every liberal concept that you guys keep saying is the right ideal is apparently so terrifying to you.

The problem we are having here is that I correctly see government as a process and you see it as a mere symbol. Liberal land (left alone of course) would build a government over a period of decades that matched whatever political, environmental or resource situation they happened to be facing at the time, in other words, practicality. Your impractical, rigid , un-adaptable conservastan would be starting out stuck in the mud of an ideology that allows no change.

But we are divorced, you don't have to worry about how we live our lives.

 

[Swagger]

Everyone gets the premise by now Foxfyre, it just offends the hell out of some.

Why?

The actual political environment is multi-colored, but in general, in our two part environment, FoxFyre is correct in her breakdown of what kind of world the conservatives think they want and what kind of world the liberals think they want. She has listed the items that the liberals here constantly and consistently say they want. Her's is a fantasy construct of course, so quit taking it so damn literal. What exactly in her scenario of each country do you find offensive? Are there elements of liberalland that you don't find desirable? Are you against the healthcare, education, hand up, etc. that liberals are always figting for?

Three things mainly offend me about this thing Foxfyre has posted. First of all the idea of breaking up the union should offend practically everyone who actually loves this country. Secondly it is an insultingly raw deal for liberals that this person is continuing to claim is fair and equitable. Thirdly it is a load of bull that asks liberals to just accept that they will be allowed to live in peace on what is essentially a reservation in the same land that slaughtered the indians.

Reservations are legal principalities overseen by the recognised nation they're within. A divide in line with this hypothetical scenario wouldn't fall within the parameters of a First Nation reservation. It would be regarded as a seperate sovereign nation. To suggest otherwise would be foolish, as it clearly wouldn't be the case.

 

[occupied]

So far it only seems to offend liberals. Why do you think that is? I think it underscores why we need the divorce. Conservative perceptions and concepts are offensive to liberals. I have the neg reps to prove it. All you have to do is read this thread (and hundreds of others) to see it. I KNOW that conservatism is distasteful and hateful to liberals. Conservatives don't like liberalism any better. That's why we need the divorce.

We need it because you liberals continue to attack me or anybody else who dares express a conviction that they don't like or appreciate liberalism while supporting and promoting conservatism. I am very much personally resented and despised for even suggesting the exercise to explore it. But even as you refuse or are unable to support or defend liberal concepts, you would deny us the right to have the Conservativeland that we want. It is on such irreconcilable differences that mutual divorces are based.

You guys hate everything about conservatism. I understand and accept that.

What I don't understand is why the ideal of a Liberalland that includes every liberal concept that you guys keep saying is the right ideal is apparently so terrifying to you.

The problem we are having here is that I correctly see government as a process and you see it as a mere symbol. Liberal land (left alone of course) would build a government over a period of decades that matched whatever political, environmental or resource situation they happened to be facing at the time, in other words, practicality. Your impractical, rigid , un-adaptable conservastan would be starting out stuck in the mud of an ideology that allows no change.

But we are divorced, you don't have to worry about how we live our lives.

Sure we do, we are liberals, we care when anyone, especially our fellow Americans, fall under the power of an oppressive regime

 

[peach174]

Everyone gets the premise by now Foxfyre, it just offends the hell out of some.

So far it only seems to offend liberals. Why do you think that is? I think it underscores why we need the divorce. Conservative perceptions and concepts are offensive to liberals. I have the neg reps to prove it. All you have to do is read this thread (and hundreds of others) to see it. I KNOW that conservatism is distasteful and hateful to liberals. Conservatives don't like liberalism any better. That's why we need the divorce.

We need it because you liberals continue to attack me or anybody else who dares express a conviction that they don't like or appreciate liberalism while supporting and promoting conservatism. I am very much personally resented and despised for even suggesting the exercise to explore it. But even as you refuse or are unable to support or defend liberal concepts, you would deny us the right to have the Conservativeland that we want. It is on such irreconcilable differences that mutual divorces are based.

You guys hate everything about conservatism. I understand and accept that.

What I don't understand is why the ideal of a Liberalland that includes every liberal concept that you guys keep saying is the right ideal is apparently so terrifying to you.

The problem we are having here is that I correctly see government as a process and you see it as a mere symbol. Liberal land (left alone of course) would build a government over a period of decades that matched whatever political, environmental or resource situation they happened to be facing at the time, in other words, practicality. Your impractical, rigid , un-adaptable conservastan would be starting out stuck in the mud of an ideology that allows no change.

That is the whole problem. Libs think that our Government is all one, that there is no difference between Federal and State Government.
They don't understand that there is difference between State Government worker's and Federal Government worker's.
Cop's, Fire and Teachers are State Federal worker's. They are paid by the States for their salaries and their pensions. State Taxes.
Different from Federal employee's who are paid by Federal Income Taxes.
Our Constitution keeps the Federal Government limited, to do certain duties laid out in the Constitution.
Our States are suppose to be the ones who do the process,they are the ones that make the decisions that are right for their State.
They do the building of progress that matches whatever political, environmental or resource situation that happens in their own states.
And that is what freedom is. It gives the people of their States power to control their State Governments.
If the people don't like what their State Legislators are doing they vote them out and put in new ones that take them in the direction the way they want to see fit.

 

[kwc57]

We actually love our country?

Some of you flag wavers are full of shit.

BTW, I don't think the "founders envisioned" dividing the nation based on how people vote.

No. But the Founders envisioned a nation based on specific principles that did not include modern day American social liberalism. Conservatives want to return to those principles put forth b the Founders. Liberals don't like them just as you don't like any of us who express them. Conservatibves also enjoy exploring concepts and possibilities and having fun with them. That seems to be beyond the capabilities of liberals who seem to resent and hate everything that doesn't fit THEIR sociopolitical philosophy and mindset.

For instance I have spelled out how conservatives feel about their country and American exceptionalism, their flag, the Pledge of Allegiance, the National Anthem. So far liberals have whined that their patriotism is unassailable, but not one has offered an argument for why liberals want and respect all those things as much.

Liberals love that part of their country that is liberal. Just as conservatives love that part of their country that is conservative. That is the basis for the divorce. That each get the country they want.

Conservatives know what they want. So far liberals seem only to resent that Conservatives want it and seek to deny them that.

So thank you for your service. But you will probably find some other thread more to your liking than this one.

"Dear Liberals: We are pissed that you won't let us exercise my 2nd amendment rights by purchasing an Abrams Tank, So we have decided to take my ball and go home. Fuck the veterans and their sacrifices. Those dupes probably wouldn't have volunteered if they were smart enough to understand the founders true intent like us. We are leaving, because that's what true patriots do. Abandon ship. P.S.: You need to give us a forwarding address to ship the remains from Arlington National Cemetary. We are going to convert it to strip malls and Mega Churches"

A lot of liberals sure don't seem to understand how divorces work. Odd, since 50% of marriages end in divorce in the US. You'd think everyone gets the concept. Oh wait, I get it.......you guys are the bitter partner that wants to punish the other side. Perhaps you missed where the parameters of this exercise is that it is an amicable, no fault divorce. Try it from that angle and see if you can play the game.

 

[The T]

So far it only seems to offend liberals. Why do you think that is? I think it underscores why we need the divorce. Conservative perceptions and concepts are offensive to liberals. I have the neg reps to prove it. All you have to do is read this thread (and hundreds of others) to see it. I KNOW that conservatism is distasteful and hateful to liberals. Conservatives don't like liberalism any better. That's why we need the divorce.

We need it because you liberals continue to attack me or anybody else who dares express a conviction that they don't like or appreciate liberalism while supporting and promoting conservatism. I am very much personally resented and despised for even suggesting the exercise to explore it. But even as you refuse or are unable to support or defend liberal concepts, you would deny us the right to have the Conservativeland that we want. It is on such irreconcilable differences that mutual divorces are based.

You guys hate everything about conservatism. I understand and accept that.

What I don't understand is why the ideal of a Liberalland that includes every liberal concept that you guys keep saying is the right ideal is apparently so terrifying to you.

The problem we are having here is that I correctly see government as a process and you see it as a mere symbol. Liberal land (left alone of course) would build a government over a period of decades that matched whatever political, environmental or resource situation they happened to be facing at the time, in other words, practicality. Your impractical, rigid , un-adaptable conservastan would be starting out stuck in the mud of an ideology that allows no change.

But we are divorced, you don't have to worry about how we live our lives.

Yep. Once it goes through? Have a happy life. See ya.

 

[occupied]

Why?

The actual political environment is multi-colored, but in general, in our two part environment, FoxFyre is correct in her breakdown of what kind of world the conservatives think they want and what kind of world the liberals think they want. She has listed the items that the liberals here constantly and consistently say they want. Her's is a fantasy construct of course, so quit taking it so damn literal. What exactly in her scenario of each country do you find offensive? Are there elements of liberalland that you don't find desirable? Are you against the healthcare, education, hand up, etc. that liberals are always figting for?

Three things mainly offend me about this thing Foxfyre has posted. First of all the idea of breaking up the union should offend practically everyone who actually loves this country. Secondly it is an insultingly raw deal for liberals that this person is continuing to claim is fair and equitable. Thirdly it is a load of bull that asks liberals to just accept that they will be allowed to live in peace on what is essentially a reservation in the same land that slaughtered the indians.

Reservations are legal principalities overseen by the recognised nation they're within. A divide in line with this hypothetical scenario wouldn't fall within the parameters of a First Nation reservation. It would be regarded as a seperate sovereign nation. To suggest otherwise would be foolish, as it clearly wouldn't be the case.

It would be a reservation in the sense that all the undesirable people are locked up, surrounded and easily beaten.

 

[The T]

Three things mainly offend me about this thing Foxfyre has posted. First of all the idea of breaking up the union should offend practically everyone who actually loves this country. Secondly it is an insultingly raw deal for liberals that this person is continuing to claim is fair and equitable. Thirdly it is a load of bull that asks liberals to just accept that they will be allowed to live in peace on what is essentially a reservation in the same land that slaughtered the indians.

Reservations are legal principalities overseen by the recognised nation they're within. A divide in line with this hypothetical scenario wouldn't fall within the parameters of a First Nation reservation. It would be regarded as a seperate sovereign nation. To suggest otherwise would be foolish, as it clearly wouldn't be the case.

It would be a reservation in the sense that all the undesirable people are locked up, surrounded and easily beaten.

What?

 

[occupied]

The problem we are having here is that I correctly see government as a process and you see it as a mere symbol. Liberal land (left alone of course) would build a government over a period of decades that matched whatever political, environmental or resource situation they happened to be facing at the time, in other words, practicality. Your impractical, rigid , un-adaptable conservastan would be starting out stuck in the mud of an ideology that allows no change.

But we are divorced, you don't have to worry about how we live our lives.

Yep. Once it goes through? Have a happy life. See ya.

Conservative America will not tolerate a socialist country on this continent no matter what agreements they may have made. They would immediately set to undermining liberal land politically and economically to insure that it failed as it was set up to do.

 

[Swagger]

Three things mainly offend me about this thing Foxfyre has posted. First of all the idea of breaking up the union should offend practically everyone who actually loves this country. Secondly it is an insultingly raw deal for liberals that this person is continuing to claim is fair and equitable. Thirdly it is a load of bull that asks liberals to just accept that they will be allowed to live in peace on what is essentially a reservation in the same land that slaughtered the indians.

Reservations are legal principalities overseen by the recognised nation they're within. A divide in line with this hypothetical scenario wouldn't fall within the parameters of a First Nation reservation. It would be regarded as a seperate sovereign nation. To suggest otherwise would be foolish, as it clearly wouldn't be the case.

It would be a reservation in the sense that all the undesirable people are locked up, surrounded and easily beaten.

No it wouldn't. It would be a nation where like-minded folk would be free from conservative ideology. A nation that would rely of fiscal policy designed by liberals for their respective sustenance. It would make its own decisions based on liberal policy, governed by liberals. Personally speaking the idea of living in a solely liberal society sickens me, but surely such an arrangement would appeal to you?

 

[The T]

But we are divorced, you don't have to worry about how we live our lives.

Yep. Once it goes through? Have a happy life. See ya.

Conservative America will not tolerate a socialist country on this continent no matter what agreements they may have made. They would immediately set to undermining liberal land politically and economically to insure that it failed as it was set up to do.

NOPE. The only time we would notice is Illegal Immigration.

Are you openly admitting that YOU can't wrap your brain around what you openly support?

 

[kwc57]

Three things mainly offend me about this thing Foxfyre has posted. First of all the idea of breaking up the union should offend practically everyone who actually loves this country. Secondly it is an insultingly raw deal for liberals that this person is continuing to claim is fair and equitable. Thirdly it is a load of bull that asks liberals to just accept that they will be allowed to live in peace on what is essentially a reservation in the same land that slaughtered the indians.

Reservations are legal principalities overseen by the recognised nation they're within. A divide in line with this hypothetical scenario wouldn't fall within the parameters of a First Nation reservation. It would be regarded as a seperate sovereign nation. To suggest otherwise would be foolish, as it clearly wouldn't be the case.

It would be a reservation in the sense that all the undesirable people are locked up, surrounded and easily beaten.

Why do you see your side as weak and undesireable???

 

[The T]

Reservations are legal principalities overseen by the recognised nation they're within. A divide in line with this hypothetical scenario wouldn't fall within the parameters of a First Nation reservation. It would be regarded as a seperate sovereign nation. To suggest otherwise would be foolish, as it clearly wouldn't be the case.

It would be a reservation in the sense that all the undesirable people are locked up, surrounded and easily beaten.

Why do you see your side as weak and undesireable???

You saw that too did you? And Occupado is one of those on here that is telling Conservatives how they must operatate AFTER the deal is done...

 

[geauxtohell]

No. But the Founders envisioned a nation based on specific principles that did not include modern day American social liberalism. Conservatives want to return to those principles put forth b the Founders. Liberals don't like them just as you don't like any of us who express them. Conservatibves also enjoy exploring concepts and possibilities and having fun with them. That seems to be beyond the capabilities of liberals who seem to resent and hate everything that doesn't fit THEIR sociopolitical philosophy and mindset.

For instance I have spelled out how conservatives feel about their country and American exceptionalism, their flag, the Pledge of Allegiance, the National Anthem. So far liberals have whined that their patriotism is unassailable, but not one has offered an argument for why liberals want and respect all those things as much.

Liberals love that part of their country that is liberal. Just as conservatives love that part of their country that is conservative. That is the basis for the divorce. That each get the country they want.

Conservatives know what they want. So far liberals seem only to resent that Conservatives want it and seek to deny them that.

So thank you for your service. But you will probably find some other thread more to your liking than this one.

"Dear Liberals: We are pissed that you won't let us exercise my 2nd amendment rights by purchasing an Abrams Tank, So we have decided to take my ball and go home. Fuck the veterans and their sacrifices. Those dupes probably wouldn't have volunteered if they were smart enough to understand the founders true intent like us. We are leaving, because that's what true patriots do. Abandon ship. P.S.: You need to give us a forwarding address to ship the remains from Arlington National Cemetary. We are going to convert it to strip malls and Mega Churches"

A lot of liberals sure don't seem to understand how divorces work. Odd, since 50% of marriages end in divorce in the US. You'd think everyone gets the concept. Oh wait, I get it.......you guys are the bitter partner that wants to punish the other side. Perhaps you missed where the parameters of this exercise is that it is an amicable, no fault divorce. Try it from that angle and see if you can play the game.

If you guys want to leave, you should just leave.

You don't get to take the real estate.

Someone else paid for that and you don't own it.

 

[occupied]

Reservations are legal principalities overseen by the recognised nation they're within. A divide in line with this hypothetical scenario wouldn't fall within the parameters of a First Nation reservation. It would be regarded as a seperate sovereign nation. To suggest otherwise would be foolish, as it clearly wouldn't be the case.

It would be a reservation in the sense that all the undesirable people are locked up, surrounded and easily beaten.

No it wouldn't. It would be a nation where like-minded folk would be free from conservative ideology. A nation that would rely of fiscal policy designed by liberals for their respective sustenance. It would make its own decisions based on liberal policy, governed by liberals. Personally speaking the idea of living in a solely liberal society sickens me, but surely such an arrangement would appeal to you?

Maybe but again we are talking in impossible absolute terms that have no meaning in the real world. Conservative land would not leave liberal land alone, they would not allow it to fail or flourish of it's own accord and especially it would not allow strategic parity. When has America ever just let a populist/socialist nation be? Never.

 

[kwc57]

But we are divorced, you don't have to worry about how we live our lives.

Yep. Once it goes through? Have a happy life. See ya.

Conservative America will not tolerate a socialist country on this continent no matter what agreements they may have made. They would immediately set to undermining liberal land politically and economically to insure that it failed as it was set up to do.

I bet you wear shoulder pads when you're playing baseball don't you? The things you keep whining about are not part of the exercise. The exercise has NOTHING to do with what keeps you awake at night after the divorce. It has EVERYTHING to do with how we split the sheets to go our own ways. Look, if you are incapable of playing by the game rules and insist on tackling the runner at first base, you probably need to go back to the bench. In other words, quit being such an ass.

 

[The T]

It would be a reservation in the sense that all the undesirable people are locked up, surrounded and easily beaten.

No it wouldn't. It would be a nation where like-minded folk would be free from conservative ideology. A nation that would rely of fiscal policy designed by liberals for their respective sustenance. It would make its own decisions based on liberal policy, governed by liberals. Personally speaking the idea of living in a solely liberal society sickens me, but surely such an arrangement would appeal to you?

Maybe but again we are talking in impossible absolute terms that have no meaning in the real world. Conservative land would not leave liberal land alone, they would not allow it to fail or flourish of it's own accord and especially it would not allow strategic parity. When has America ever just let a populist/socialist nation be? Never.

Son? it's already been laid out. once the deal is done? WE are finished with you. You're past history...and GONE to deal with your new digs.

WE will press on with memories abiet sad that Liberal land couldn't be convinced to leave liberty well enough alone...and why the suit came to fruition.

Buh-bye...

 

[candycorn]

"Dear Liberals: We are pissed that you won't let us exercise my 2nd amendment rights by purchasing an Abrams Tank, So we have decided to take my ball and go home. Fuck the veterans and their sacrifices. Those dupes probably wouldn't have volunteered if they were smart enough to understand the founders true intent like us. We are leaving, because that's what true patriots do. Abandon ship. P.S.: You need to give us a forwarding address to ship the remains from Arlington National Cemetary. We are going to convert it to strip malls and Mega Churches"

A lot of liberals sure don't seem to understand how divorces work. Odd, since 50% of marriages end in divorce in the US. You'd think everyone gets the concept. Oh wait, I get it.......you guys are the bitter partner that wants to punish the other side. Perhaps you missed where the parameters of this exercise is that it is an amicable, no fault divorce. Try it from that angle and see if you can play the game.

If you guys want to leave, you should just leave.

You don't get to take the real estate.

Someone else paid for that and you don't own it.

Seems to me that they would like Somolia. No government interferance, no government services, no government of any kind. Whoever has the most weapons rules. Basically the set-up they want; right?

 

[geauxtohell]

No it wouldn't. It would be a nation where like-minded folk would be free from conservative ideology. A nation that would rely of fiscal policy designed by liberals for their respective sustenance. It would make its own decisions based on liberal policy, governed by liberals. Personally speaking the idea of living in a solely liberal society sickens me, but surely such an arrangement would appeal to you?

Maybe but again we are talking in impossible absolute terms that have no meaning in the real world. Conservative land would not leave liberal land alone, they would not allow it to fail or flourish of it's own accord and especially it would not allow strategic parity. When has America ever just let a populist/socialist nation be? Never.

Son? it's already been laid out. once the deal is done? WE are finished with you. You're past history...and GONE to deal with your new digs.

WE will press on with memories abiet sad that Liberal land couldn't be convinced to leave liberty well enough alone...and why the suit came to fruition.

Buh-bye...

Then why are you still here?

No one is preventing you from leaving.

 

[Foxfyre]

But we are divorced, you don't have to worry about how we live our lives.

Yep. Once it goes through? Have a happy life. See ya.

Conservative America will not tolerate a socialist country on this continent no matter what agreements they may have made. They would immediately set to undermining liberal land politically and economically to insure that it failed as it was set up to do.

Your liberal paranoia is kicking into high gear here. Conservatives certainly have not objected to any other socialist countries who leave us alone and do not threaten us. Why would we care in any way what you do?