Declassified documents show how US lied to Russia about NATO in 1990s

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Just imagine what would happen when the Warsaw Pact wouldn't have been dissolved, additionally accepted Canada and Mexico as new members, Russian nukes targeted Washington D.C. from Toronto and MSM of the Warsaw Pact 24/7 condemned USA about aggressive behavior.
Do you believe Russians are too dumb to accept what going on today.
It looks like most of imbecile western citizens can't imagine now all of them are going to die.
Like in the great movie 'Don't look up'
Russia hasn't any choice as to be involved in WWIII

Putin as traitor and coward is the biggest problem.
If he would be more bold neither Maidan 2014 happened nor NATO accepted any East European country as new members.

NATO will never stop moving the East, there were already invested $$$ tens of billions in the Eastwards expansion of NATO, anyone knows, no one invests so huge money without purpose.

So, it's pretty dumb from Putin to expect 'guaranties' from professional scoundrels and liars.
All by NATO given 'guaranties' become toilet paper immediately after ink dried.

Russia shall stop empty talks with NATO and take the cause of all problems, Novorossia back.
Ukraine get practically devided in two parts and all problems solved.
EU has a beggar to feed, Russians go to Russia back.
A win - win situation.

Otherwise, in few years embolden by Putin's cowardice and hesitance NATO can demand Crimea to became a part of Ukraine.

Putin can be sure, NATO & Co will impose all possible sanctions against Russia in all cases, it can understand the language of the strength only.
Today Ukraine is still to weak, no nuclear Armageddon comes.
But tomorrow it will be too late.


Promises that the bloc wouldn’t expand appear to have been ignored in Washington’s quest for influence in Europe.


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Just imagine what would happen when the Warsaw Pact wouldn't have been dissolved, additionally accepted Canada and Mexico as new members, Russian nukes targeted Washington D.C. from Toronto and MSM of the Warsaw Pact 24/7 condemned USA about aggressive behavior.
Do you believe Russians are too dumb to accept what going on today.
It looks like most of imbecile western citizens can't imagine now all of them are going to die.
Like in the great movie 'Don't look up'
Russia hasn't any choice as to be involved in WWIII

Putin as traitor and coward is the biggest problem.
If he would be more bold neither Maidan 2014 happened nor NATO accepted any East European country as new members.

NATO will never stop moving the East, there were already invested $$$ tens of billions in the Eastwards expansion of NATO, anyone knows, no one invests so huge money without purpose.

So, it's pretty dumb from Putin to expect 'guaranties' from professional scoundrels and liars.
All by NATO given 'guaranties' become toilet paper immediately after ink dried.

Russia shall stop empty talks with NATO and take the cause of all problems, Novorossia back.
Ukraine get practically devided in two parts and all problems solved.
EU has a beggar to feed, Russians go to Russia back.
A win - win situation.

Otherwise, in few years embolden by Putin's cowardice and hesitance NATO can demand Crimea to became a part of Ukraine.

Putin can be sure, NATO & Co will impose all possible sanctions against Russia in all cases, it can understand the language of the strength only.
Today Ukraine is still to weak, no nuclear Armageddon comes.
But tomorrow it will be too late.


Promises that the bloc wouldn’t expand appear to have been ignored in Washington’s quest for influence in Europe.


novor.png
After the commies fell in 1992, No one really started giving a shat about NATO

The US should pull most of our troops from Europe
 
NATO needs to be dissolved. It’s nothing more than a war making entity for the benefit of war profiteers.

Somehow Americans have forgotten the wisdom of the Founders.

Of all the evils to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops every other. War is the patent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes, are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people! No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. -James Madison
 
Fuck Putin, and Russia; they don't deserve any respect, as they lie and cheat all the time, and have always been expansionist, regardless of anything else. If they weren't thugs and mass murdering psychopaths nobody would be bothering them and working for their demise.
 
NATO needs to be dissolved. It’s nothing more than a war making entity for the benefit of war profiteers.

Somehow Americans have forgotten the wisdom of the Founders.

Of all the evils to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops every other. War is the patent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes, are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people! No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. -James Madison

Go back to hiding under your bed and reading your Uncle Karl's book.
 
Fuck Putin, and Russia; they don't deserve any respect, as they lie and cheat all the time, and have always been expansionist, regardless of anything else. If they weren't thugs and mass murdering psychopaths nobody would be bothering them and working for their demise.

Go back to hiding under your bed and reading your Uncle Karl's book.
Please tell me you’re 12 years old playing on mommy’s computer?
 
NATO needs to be dissolved. It’s nothing more than a war making entity for the benefit of war profiteers.

Somehow Americans have forgotten the wisdom of the Founders.

Of all the evils to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops every other. War is the patent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes, are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people! No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. -James Madison
In the 21st century isolationism is the way to nowhere. You can't hide behind the pond anymore.

It always amuses me when someone brings up the Founders here and there. As though, they are the 'saints' and their words should be a dogma for the eternity.

They were the people of their epoch and some their ideas may be not so relevant now.
 
In the 21st century isolationism is the way to nowhere. You can't hide behind the pond anymore.

It always amuses me when someone brings up the Founders here and there. As though, they are the 'saints' and their words should be a dogma for the eternity.

They were the people of their epoch and some their ideas may be not so relevant now.
The founders weren’t isolationists. Nor am I, but that is the common criticism by the warmongering imperialist statist.
 
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NATO needs to be dissolved. It’s nothing more than a war making entity for the benefit of war profiteers.

Somehow Americans have forgotten the wisdom of the Founders.

Of all the evils to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops every other. War is the patent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes, are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people! No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. -James Madison


NATO was once needed for security purposes when the Soviets were threatening the world during the Cold War but that has long gone away.

Nowadays the US contribution to NATO is nothing more than foreign welfare. The US spends far too much in domestic and foreign welfare.
 
NATO needs to be dissolved. It’s nothing more than a war making entity for the benefit of war profiteers.

Somehow Americans have forgotten the wisdom of the Founders.

Of all the evils to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops every other. War is the patent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes, are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people! No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. -James Madison
I thought NATO was to prevent another world war, that we would be brought in to? And it has worked, so far no WWIII???
 
The founders weren’t isolationists. Nor am I, but that is the common criticism of the warmongering imperialist statist.
Okay, you are not isolationist, but you propose to get the US troops back from Europe. What is else? The Far East, the Middle East? Bring them home from there too?
 
After the commies fell in 1992, No one really started giving a shat about NATO

The US should pull most of our troops from Europe

Morons from NATO want a war with Russia.
They are completely idiots
 
NATO needs to be dissolved. It’s nothing more than a war making entity for the benefit of war profiteers.

Somehow Americans have forgotten the wisdom of the Founders.

Of all the evils to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops every other. War is the patent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes, are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds are added to those of subduing the force of the people! No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. -James Madison

Neocons forget anything what make USA strong.
The Heritage of Founders is more important as numerous wars on behalf of Israel or provocations against Russia.
NATO is obsolete and must be dissolved like Warsaw pact
 
Fuck Putin, and Russia; they don't deserve any respect, as they lie and cheat all the time, and have always been expansionist, regardless of anything else. If they weren't thugs and mass murdering psychopaths nobody would be bothering them and working for their demise.

Putin is a moron, but it isn't business of the West.
Or do you desire an unstoppable missile in your backyard?
We are teetering on the brink of WWIII
 
Putin is a moron, but it isn't business of the West.
Or do you desire an unstoppable missile in your backyard?
We are teetering on the brink of WWIII
Won't happen. Because of NATO! Russia needs to back off Ukraine imo...
 

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