Declining moral values

[Avatar4321]

Who the fuck did Clinton rape? YOu should really look up the word slander.

Who didn't he?

And slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.

 

[Modbert]

Who the fuck did Clinton rape? YOu should really look up the word slander.

The facts don't matter to logical, obviously. Nor does reality.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Today:

- Discriminating against Christians
- Discrimination against Jews
- Tolerance of Domestic violence, still
- Blaming rape on the victim, still (especially if the rapist is 'somebody' in the liberal's book, Bill Clinton or Roman Polanski)
- Child extermination (abortion)
- Open destruction of human society

All false and completely ridiculous statements. Jesus christ, you cant be serious with this shit

How on earth are any of those points ridiculous?

You are an utter moron/hack if that even needs to be explained. But I know, to you opinion=facts, which all those above may be, without any facts to support them.

But here goes;

How are jews and christians being discriminated? Don't bring up your lame ass, completely irrelevant nonsense like they can't pray.

Destruction of american society: completely subjective, nothing of substance to say its being destroyed.

Child extermination: Nothing new there, the entire history of the world there was abortion, at least today's methods are more humane, especially to the mother.

Blaming the rape victim: what the fuck is that? NO fact to that what so ever. And you think rapes in the past went punished? For the most part, no they did not.

Tolerance of domestic violence- what? Men beaters get arrested, there are plenty of outreach and support groups, and if the woman stays with the abuser, its their choice, has nothing to do with failing society or loss of morals. Today, compared to the past, its a hell of a lot better. Can't help someone who doesn't help themselves. Where does "tolerance" of that even come from

Really, you can bitch and moan about my name calling, but you truly not worthy of any rational discussion if you think any of those things stated above are true and have anything to do with reality.

 

[Modbert]

Who didn't he?

And slader is spoken. In print, it's libel.

So wait, you're comparing his Presidency to rape? Going to let you think about that for a moment, before you begin to backtrack in your vast amount of ignorance.

 

[Dr Gregg]

We always yearn for the moral values of the past while decrying the lack of moral values today

If you go back 50 years, the moral values allowed

- Discriminating against blacks
- Discrimination against gays
- Tolerance of Domestic violence
- Blaming rape on the victim
- Child beating
- Open destruction of the environment

Sorry...I prefer today

Today:

- Discriminating against Christians
- Discrimination against Jews
- Tolerance of Domestic violence, still
- Blaming rape on the victim, still (especially if the rapist is 'somebody' in the liberal's book, Bill Clinton or Roman Polanski)
- Child extermination (abortion)
- Open destruction of human society

Who the fuck did Clinton rape? YOu should really look up the word slander.

Also, who the hell blames the rape victim and tolerates domestic violence?

 

[Avatar4321]

Who didn't he?

And slader is spoken. In print, it's libel.

So wait, you're comparing his Presidency to rape? Going to let you think about that for a moment, before you begin to backtrack in your vast amount of ignorance.

Nope. I just happen to remember the Clinton machine and all those women they went after to protect Clinton from the consequences of sex scandals involving subordinates.

 

[logical4u]

I think a lot of people that bring up the "declining morals" are just bitter white christians that can't force people to live by their standards and morals and push them around like they had for much of the history of this country

What are liberals trying to do with their 'fairness doctrines' 'redistribution of wealth'?
Christians used the 10 Commandments as 'standards', will you name what is wrong with any of those Commandments (given by the Ultimate Authority)?

Sins of thoughts. WE all covet things. We all lust after other people's wives, its biology and subconscious thoughst in the brain. those are sins according to some of the commandments. You can't control your thoughts but your actions. taking god's name in vain, what is so bad about that? IN fact only a few are actually good like not killing and stealing.

Those "liberal things' you speak of, you mean like helping out people in times of need, helping people when they lose their jobs? Helping the elderly and disabled who can no longer work. THat sounds like what jesus would do, how the hell can you claim those things aren't moral, for the richest country in the world? Methinks you have some warped sense of morals.

And my point was that in the past white christians controlled and shit over everybody else that didn't follow their morals and standards of living (of course not all, but lots, with all the wrongs that happened throughout our history). And now that they can't, the cry the decline in morals garbage, when the past was far more immoral as society progresses.

'My point' was: the 'liberal leaders' are replacing the power hungry religious leaders of the past (that today's modern citizen seems to fear so). They are replacing the 'donations to the poor box' with 'forced taxes (without representation)', following the 10 Commandments to the lawfully enforced 'politically correct (which isn't correct at all and punishes for thoughts: hate crimes).

While you want to claim there was no charity 'back in the day', most 'communities' took care of their own (it was the 'liberal bastions: the cities where little mercy was shown).

You can still find survirors of 'socialist' based societies that failed or are failing and the 'horrors' of what was done to the citizens (or people within the national boundaries) in those lands, that are far more 'evil' than what was done over the period with Christian 'power hungry religious leaders'.

You guys won't talk about that, it is like you will not see the elephant in the room. You just keep repeating, it will be different this time... it will be different this time... it will be different this time... it will be different this time... it will be different this time... it will be different this time... it will be different this time... it will be different this time...

 

[Modbert]

Like I said in my first post in this thread, trying to put everyone under a umbrella of belief in declining moral values is just a bad idea considering how many different ideas everyone has about what exactly is a "decline" of moral values.

It all goes back to how one defines morality, and what exactly they consider to be immoral behavior.

 

[Luissa]

Who the fuck did Clinton rape? YOu should really look up the word slander.

Who didn't he?

And slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.

Now we have someone else who is lying.
I will give you a clue, IT IS NOT RAPE WHEN YOU SAY YES

And who is being immoral now? Pretty sure lying, and making things up as you go is immoral.

 

[Luissa]

Who didn't he?

And slader is spoken. In print, it's libel.

So wait, you're comparing his Presidency to rape? Going to let you think about that for a moment, before you begin to backtrack in your vast amount of ignorance.

Nope. I just happen to remember the Clinton machine and all those women they went after to protect Clinton from the consequences of sex scandals involving subordinates.

I will say it again.

IT IS NOT RAPE WHEN THEY SAY YES.
STOP LYING!

 

[Avatar4321]

Who the fuck did Clinton rape? YOu should really look up the word slander.

Who didn't he?

And slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.

Now we have someone else who is lying.
I will give you a clue, IT IS NOT RAPE WHEN YOU SAY YES

And who is being immoral now? Pretty sure lying, and making things up as you go is immoral.

It is when someone is abusing a position of power to make you say yes.

 

[logical4u]

Evidence?

What 'morals' do gays promote?

Sure is homophobia in here.

Answer the question.

 

[ABikerSailor]

mo·ral·i·ty
   /məˈrælɪti, mɔ-/ Show Spelled[muh-ral-i-tee, maw-] Show IPA
–noun,plural-ties for 4–6.
1.
conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.

Because it is not right to expect everyone else in the world to take care of your sorry lazy fucked up stupid ass! ( sorry, not you dilloduck)

Taking care of yourself is actually instinct. If you feel hungry, you go looking for food.

HOW you follow your instincts, as well as what you do to take care of yourself, well, that is where morality starts to seep in.

Syrenn showed it when she posted the definition of morality. It's rules of "right" conduct as determined by that particular society.

A really cool trick that I learned while traveling around the world in the military was this.......you want to know what the "morality" is of the area you are in, check out what the prevailing belief system is, and you'll know.

Warren Jeffs and his followers at the YFZ Ranch had their own ideas of morality as well, and they thought it was "moral" to marry girls who were 12 - 16 years old in multiple marriages to old men.

Like I said, morality isn't an absolute. People should quit treating it like it is.

Taking care of yourself is actually instinct

not really---some parents teach it and others teach you to rely on others

You missed it........taking care of yourself is instinct. Why else do babies cry? Because they know it will get attention and their needs will be taken care of (hopefully).

It is the action of the parent that teaches the child how to focus their instincts for food clothing and shelter in a socially acceptable way.

Taking care of yourself is instinct. Taking care of yourself in society without damaging other peoples stuff is morality.

 

[Luissa]

Who didn't he?

And slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.

Now we have someone else who is lying.
I will give you a clue, IT IS NOT RAPE WHEN YOU SAY YES

And who is being immoral now? Pretty sure lying, and making things up as you go is immoral.

It is when someone is abusing a position of power to make you say yes.

I bet you would try to say the women Tiger Woods slept with were raped also.
And PS Clinton was cleared in the Paula Jones case.
So go spread your lies elsewhere.

 

[logical4u]

Declining moral values

and look at that. "gays" made the list. Right wingers are sick fucks.

Only by reducing the right wingers influence will morals improve and the country get better.

Evidence?

What 'morals' do gays promote?

I have a gay friend who cares for cancer patients, volunteers, and is over all a great person.
What morals do you promote by judging other people?

'Right wingers' were called a name because homosexuality made the list. Then a statement was made that 'morals' would improve with less influence from right wingers. I asked for clarification. There was no clarification, just 'judgement', because I for 'clarity' on two 'opinions' given as facts.

I did not insult anyone; I did not call names. I asked two questions. Please answer them before you start the 'judgements' and name-calling.

 

[chanel]

Coveting your neighbor's goods is only a sin when it becomes an overwhelming sense of entitlement to other people's property. Socialists absolutely hate that one.

 

[midcan5]

The irony of the moment:

"Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN) had an affair with a part-time staffer named Tracy Jackson, Fox is reporting . Jackson played the role of interviewer for a Souder Web video show on the issues of the day -- including one on the value of abstinence." Rep. Souder And Mistress Recorded Video Praising Abstinence (WATCH) - Jesse Jackson, Congress

Or another survey: "Are you a racist?" "No, of course not, but my neighbor is."

Notice the republicans had a 52% things are getting worse. Do you think maybe they looked in a mirror? http://www.gallup.com/poll/128042/Americans-Outlook-Morality-Remains-Bleak.aspx

Seriously, I find this topic fascinating and need to read some replies, but just today I posted a related piece on what can we do when 'materialism' is the religion of modern America. http://www.usmessageboard.com/gener...ess-consumption-values-and-america-today.html

Maybe we shouldn't allow surveys on tough topics?


"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." Richard Feynman

 

[Modbert]

Coveting your neighbor's goods is only a sin when it becomes an overwhelming sense of entitlement to other people's property. Socialists absolutely hate that one.

I recall the commandment being "Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Goods."

I don't remember the 2nd half that you seem to have added in.

 

[Luissa]

Evidence?

What 'morals' do gays promote?

Sure is homophobia in here.

Answer the question.

I already did, for him.

I will do it again:
care for other humans
care for animals
faithful to their partners
do not judge others
have faith in God
don't do drugs
donate to charity
raise their children in a safe, MORAL envirnment

 

[logical4u]

We always yearn for the moral values of the past while decrying the lack of moral values today

If you go back 50 years, the moral values allowed

- Discriminating against blacks
- Discrimination against gays
- Tolerance of Domestic violence
- Blaming rape on the victim
- Child beating
- Open destruction of the environment

Sorry...I prefer today

Today:

- Discriminating against Christians
- Discrimination against Jews
- Tolerance of Domestic violence, still
- Blaming rape on the victim, still (especially if the rapist is 'somebody' in the liberal's book, Bill Clinton or Roman Polanski)
- Child extermination (abortion)
- Open destruction of human society

Who the fuck did Clinton rape? YOu should really look up the word slander.

A little sensitive on the crimminal that 'raped' Juanita Brodrick (not sure on exact spelling)