Defining "Liberalism"

[Pheonixops]

JFK was more liberal than Barack Obama, and at least as hated by the Right as is our current president.

Since when did he try to implement socialized healthcare? I freaking love JFK... he had more of a head on his shoulders than Obama does, no pun intended.

You have no idea what JFK stood for. It's a popular rightwing myth that JFK was not a liberal -

it's a myth that makes perfect sense to rightwing propagandists; they know how beloved a figure JFK is, so of course the right wants to claim him as somehow one of theirs.

It's preposterous.

Read JFK's agenda:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some of them have made the same silly assertions regarding MLK Jr............

 

[Destroyer2]

Wanna take a stab at the challenge in post #9?

Don't be afraid.

Better challenge.

If Communists and Liberals are one and the same, why would the Communist Lee Harvey Oswald take into account his political views when deciding to kill the Liberal JFK?

So....how come you guys will do anything to avoid post #9?


Must be a reason.....

Because none of the supposed reasons touch on the main goal of socialism: giving control of the means of production to the community.

But eh, I'm feeling nice today.

1 was never advocated by anyone, 2 could be said about literally any ideology and is irrelevant, 3-6 are not goals of liberalism. For 7, nothing is actually wrong with homosexuality, and saying that there is is socially backwards. No one claims the other 2 on that point are good or healthy. #8, liberals go for freedom of religion, not make everyone worship socialized religion, in #9 prayers school-led do violate the seperation of church and state. #10, no one is actually claiming that. #11, you don't know how socialism works and what you're saying in this point doesn't really make sense. #12-13 are not being advocated by anyone.

Done.

 

[ClosedCaption]

As usual [MENTION=12394]PoliticalChic[/MENTION]

You fucking cop & paste shit all the time.

Amazon review has your first paragraph verbatim. Get an original thought you goon.

All of the rest of your post is just copy & paste regurgitation. You act like you are some cultured "rare animal" conservative, but you are unable to create your own thoughts.

But nothing you can dispute, huh.


Thanks for the verification.

Why should anyone even engage you in an adult discussion when you can't even write your own ideas?

LOL @ PC still trying to save face by wanting a debate with stolen logic

 

[PrometheusBound]

Rabid Rightie defines Liberals as commies.

SOP.

John Birch died and was resurrected as Ron Paul, who sent his only begotten son to deliver us from evil.

All Hail the Paul.......

I saw his Daddy in a movie once. He was the obstetrician who delivered Rosemary's Baby.

 

[PrometheusBound]

John Birch died and was resurrected as Ron Paul, who sent his only begotten son to deliver us from evil.

All Hail the Paul.......

By the logic of the OP, Ron Paul is an Islamic extremist because of his softness on going to war against Islamic extremism.

That would of course make all of Ron Paul's supporters specifically, and most paleo-conservative types in general,

also Islamic extremists.

Maybe some of them could come into this thread and argue with PC about her characterization of them.

Actually, free market dogma allows anyone to charge whatever he wants. The American oil companies couldn't get away with that because Americans once had some self-respect, so they created OPEC and made us dependent on imported oil. Then they could gouge us all they wanted and blame foreigners. The Muzzie OPECkers saw what patsies Americans had become and launched a jihad, as the Great Camel Hump in the Sky had ordained.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Better challenge.

If Communists and Liberals are one and the same, why would the Communist Lee Harvey Oswald take into account his political views when deciding to kill the Liberal JFK?

So....how come you guys will do anything to avoid post #9?


Must be a reason.....

Because none of the supposed reasons touch on the main goal of socialism: giving control of the means of production to the community.

But eh, I'm feeling nice today.

1 was never advocated by anyone, 2 could be said about literally any ideology and is irrelevant, 3-6 are not goals of liberalism. For 7, nothing is actually wrong with homosexuality, and saying that there is is socially backwards. No one claims the other 2 on that point are good or healthy. #8, liberals go for freedom of religion, not make everyone worship socialized religion, in #9 prayers school-led do violate the seperation of church and state. #10, no one is actually claiming that. #11, you don't know how socialism works and what you're saying in this point doesn't really make sense. #12-13 are not being advocated by anyone.

Done.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened.”
Norman Thomas
Socialist Party presidential candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948.


Socialism, liberalism, communism.....all the same sewage.

 

[Destroyer2]

So....how come you guys will do anything to avoid post #9?


Must be a reason.....

Because none of the supposed reasons touch on the main goal of socialism: giving control of the means of production to the community.

But eh, I'm feeling nice today.

1 was never advocated by anyone, 2 could be said about literally any ideology and is irrelevant, 3-6 are not goals of liberalism. For 7, nothing is actually wrong with homosexuality, and saying that there is is socially backwards. No one claims the other 2 on that point are good or healthy. #8, liberals go for freedom of religion, not make everyone worship socialized religion, in #9 prayers school-led do violate the seperation of church and state. #10, no one is actually claiming that. #11, you don't know how socialism works and what you're saying in this point doesn't really make sense. #12-13 are not being advocated by anyone.

Done.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened.”
Norman Thomas
Socialist Party presidential candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948.


Socialism, liberalism, communism.....all the same sewage.

I don't care what a politician said about liberalism<-->socialism.
Unlike you, I've actually acquired the ability to think critically and realize that there are actually very important differences between the two.

 

[regent]

So....how come you guys will do anything to avoid post #9?


Must be a reason.....

Because none of the supposed reasons touch on the main goal of socialism: giving control of the means of production to the community.

But eh, I'm feeling nice today.

1 was never advocated by anyone, 2 could be said about literally any ideology and is irrelevant, 3-6 are not goals of liberalism. For 7, nothing is actually wrong with homosexuality, and saying that there is is socially backwards. No one claims the other 2 on that point are good or healthy. #8, liberals go for freedom of religion, not make everyone worship socialized religion, in #9 prayers school-led do violate the seperation of church and state. #10, no one is actually claiming that. #11, you don't know how socialism works and what you're saying in this point doesn't really make sense. #12-13 are not being advocated by anyone.

Done.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened.”
Norman Thomas
Socialist Party presidential candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948.


Socialism, liberalism, communism.....all the same sewage.

Or as General MacArthur said, "For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."

Hard to believe our framers, and probably all the founders, were communists, even Washington hiding behind that white hair, but Chic has produced solid evidence. I'm taking my kids out of school before those union teacher start their malarkey about Washington, Hamilton and the other communists.
Thank you Chic.

 

[Billy000]

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.





A detailed exposition of that theme can be found in James Piereson of the Manhattan Institute's 2007 book “Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism”

He showed how that moment, the assassination, gave Liberals the opportunity to turn on communism, ...or on America.
Their choice is clear today.


1. "... (concerning Lee Harvey Oswald) “He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It’s — it had to be some silly little Communist.”— Jacqueline Kennedy

2. She thought it robbed his (JFK's) death of any meaning. But a meaning would be quickly manufactured to serve a new politics. First, however, an inconvenient fact — Oswald — had to be expunged from the story.

a. .... 24 months after the assassination, Arthur Schlesinger Jr., the Kennedys’ kept historian, published a thousand-page history of the thousand-day presidency without mentioning the assassin.






3. ... The transformation of a murder by a marginal man into a killing by a sick culture began instantly — before Kennedy was buried. The afternoon of the assassination, Chief Justice Earl Warren ascribed Kennedy’s “martyrdom” to “the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots.”

a. The next day, James Reston, the New York Times luminary, wrote in a front-page story that Kennedy was a victim of a “streak of violence in the American character,” noting especially “the violence of the extremists on the right.”

[Of course, Liberals are still running with that obfuscation today, with respect to the Tea Party]

b. Never mind that adjacent to Reston’s article was a Times report on Oswald’s Communist convictions and associations. A Soviet spokesman, too, assigned “moral responsibility” for Kennedy’s death to “Barry Goldwater and other extremists on the right.”

[Liberals and Soviet spokesmen....on the same page]






4. .... a Times editorial, “Spiral of Hate,” identified Kennedy’s killer as a “spirit”: The Times deplored “the shame all America must bear for the spirit of madness and hate that struck down” Kennedy. The editorialists were, presumably, immune to this spirit. The new liberalism-as-paternalism would be about correcting other people’s defects..... Kennedy was killed by America’s social climate, whose sickness required “punitive liberalism.”

[ "... Obama Is Making Shutdown As Painful As Possible" http://news92fm.com/390223/congressman-olson-says-obama-is-making-shutdown-as-painful-as-possible/]






5. The bullets of Nov. 22, 1963, altered the nation’s trajectory less by killing a president than by giving birth to a destructive narrative about America.....

6. Punitive liberalism preached the necessity of national repentance for a history of crimes and misdeeds that had produced a present so poisonous that it murdered a president.... Liberalism would become the doctrine of grievance groups owed redress for cumulative inherited injuries inflicted by the nation’s tawdry history, toxic present and ominous future.

[ Obama: "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."]

7. As Piereson writes, the retreat of liberalism from a doctrine of American affirmation left a void that would be filled by Ronald Reagan 17 years after the assassination." George F. Will: When liberals became scolds - The Washington Post





Whitaker Chamber's point proven.

Liberalism continued down the path blazed by Franklin Roosevelt....seeing nothing worthy of confronting nor combating in communism.



Just as Oswald was erased as the central element of the assassination, so, too, was the glorious history of this great nation.
Instead, it turned the battle against a non-existent enemy of freedom and liberty, ...America.


Liberalism: seeking evil in America the way pigs seek truffles.

Typical simple minded, black and white thinking from the right wing. "We are good. They are bad. There is no inbetween."

I'll be honest, it astounds me how devoid so many conservatives are of critical thinking skills.

Seriously, do you all think that us liberals get together and have a fucking monthly meeting to decide what we all believe and agree on? Every liberal in America? You must because that is the only way this childish logic would make any fucking sense.

Liberals are individuals like anyone else. We all have different opinions and levels of intellectual reasoning. WE DON'T ALL THINK THE SAME WAY. We aren't robots for Christs sakes. Why this simple logic escapes you just blows my mind. I guess its just easier to demonize anyone who disagrees with you, huh?

Do yourself a favor and think critically for once about political issues. Otherwise you will always lack a basic understanding of them.

Oh....poor, poor Billy Zero-IQ....

Seems I really hit a nerve.

Your whining 'am not, am not' is hardly a defense of Liberals who despise the America that I love, in the face of their obvious embrace of the "America-evil" theme.


But I can help you....not the psychological support you need.....but here is the political way out you seek:

Simply show that the goals that the communist party supports, Liberals oppose.



You can begin with these......


1. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If the U.N. charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces.

2. Capture one or both political parties in the United States. (In David Horowitz's book The Shadow Party, he shows how the Democratic Party is now under the control of what he calls the Shadow Party of Socialist-Communist influences.)

3. Get Control of the Schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the Party line in textbooks.

4. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

5. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


6. Break down culture standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

7. Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

8. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

9. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." (A.C.L.U. lawyers accomplished this goal in a very short 4 years from publication of the book The Naked Communist.)

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis. (In 2012, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg and A.C.L.U. member said exactly this while visiting Cairo, Egypt.)


11. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

12. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

13. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influences of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of the parents.
Communist Goals to Take America



Start whenever you're ready....

Why am i not surprised you missed my point 100%?

 

[Billy000]

Lol you group everyone on the right into a single group then go on to cry others do that same thing to you.

Serves as even more evidence that hypocrite is just another word for liberal/progressive.

I didn't say all. I said "so many".

Actually you said "Typical simple minded, black and white thinking from the right wing".
Edit: you don't have to be Conservative to be on the right side of the political spectrum.

Yeah that's right. It is typical. Typical does not mean everyone. Typical as in it is a consistent attitude coming from the right.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Because none of the supposed reasons touch on the main goal of socialism: giving control of the means of production to the community.

But eh, I'm feeling nice today.

1 was never advocated by anyone, 2 could be said about literally any ideology and is irrelevant, 3-6 are not goals of liberalism. For 7, nothing is actually wrong with homosexuality, and saying that there is is socially backwards. No one claims the other 2 on that point are good or healthy. #8, liberals go for freedom of religion, not make everyone worship socialized religion, in #9 prayers school-led do violate the seperation of church and state. #10, no one is actually claiming that. #11, you don't know how socialism works and what you're saying in this point doesn't really make sense. #12-13 are not being advocated by anyone.

Done.

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened.”
Norman Thomas
Socialist Party presidential candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948.


Socialism, liberalism, communism.....all the same sewage.

I don't care what a politician said about liberalism<-->socialism.
Unlike you, I've actually acquired the ability to think critically and realize that there are actually very important differences between the two.

No, actually you don't think.

Norman Thomas knows whereof he spoke.

All of the concepts, the name-of-the-day, are simply different levels of control by big government.


Here's the fact to keep in mind:

“Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198

 

[PoliticalChic]

Typical simple minded, black and white thinking from the right wing. "We are good. They are bad. There is no inbetween."

I'll be honest, it astounds me how devoid so many conservatives are of critical thinking skills.

Seriously, do you all think that us liberals get together and have a fucking monthly meeting to decide what we all believe and agree on? Every liberal in America? You must because that is the only way this childish logic would make any fucking sense.

Liberals are individuals like anyone else. We all have different opinions and levels of intellectual reasoning. WE DON'T ALL THINK THE SAME WAY. We aren't robots for Christs sakes. Why this simple logic escapes you just blows my mind. I guess its just easier to demonize anyone who disagrees with you, huh?

Do yourself a favor and think critically for once about political issues. Otherwise you will always lack a basic understanding of them.

Oh....poor, poor Billy Zero-IQ....

Seems I really hit a nerve.

Your whining 'am not, am not' is hardly a defense of Liberals who despise the America that I love, in the face of their obvious embrace of the "America-evil" theme.


But I can help you....not the psychological support you need.....but here is the political way out you seek:

Simply show that the goals that the communist party supports, Liberals oppose.



You can begin with these......


1. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If the U.N. charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces.

2. Capture one or both political parties in the United States. (In David Horowitz's book The Shadow Party, he shows how the Democratic Party is now under the control of what he calls the Shadow Party of Socialist-Communist influences.)

3. Get Control of the Schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the Party line in textbooks.

4. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

5. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


6. Break down culture standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

7. Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

8. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

9. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." (A.C.L.U. lawyers accomplished this goal in a very short 4 years from publication of the book The Naked Communist.)

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis. (In 2012, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg and A.C.L.U. member said exactly this while visiting Cairo, Egypt.)


11. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

12. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

13. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influences of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of the parents.
Communist Goals to Take America



Start whenever you're ready....

Why am i not surprised you missed my point 100%?

That would be explained by one of these two choices:

1. You are looking for a way to avoid the challenge of finding differences between communism and liberalism.....

or....

2. You are really inarticulate.



Perhaps both.

 

[Destroyer2]

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened.”
Norman Thomas
Socialist Party presidential candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948.


Socialism, liberalism, communism.....all the same sewage.

I don't care what a politician said about liberalism<-->socialism.
Unlike you, I've actually acquired the ability to think critically and realize that there are actually very important differences between the two.

No, actually you don't think.

Norman Thomas knows whereof he spoke.

All of the concepts, the name-of-the-day, are simply different levels of control by big government.


Here's the fact to keep in mind:

“Culture is a stubborn opponent. The Soviet Union attempted to create the New Soviet Man with gulags, psychiatric hospitals, and firing squads for seventy years and succeeded only in producing a more corrupt culture.”
Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 198

You keep forgetting the part where the means of production aren't being owned by the community, which is the most important tenet of socialism.
But you're being purposefully obtuse at this point.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
Your whining 'am not, am not' is hardly a defense of Liberals who despise the America that I love, in the face of their obvious embrace of the "America-evil" theme.


But I can help you....not the psychological support you need.....but here is the political way out you seek:

Simply show that the goals that the communist party supports, Liberals oppose.



You can begin with these......


1. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If the U.N. charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces.

2. Capture one or both political parties in the United States. (In David Horowitz's book The Shadow Party, he shows how the Democratic Party is now under the control of what he calls the Shadow Party of Socialist-Communist influences.)

3. Get Control of the Schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the Party line in textbooks.

4. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

5. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


6. Break down culture standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

7. Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

8. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

9. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." (A.C.L.U. lawyers accomplished this goal in a very short 4 years from publication of the book The Naked Communist.)

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis. (In 2012, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg and A.C.L.U. member said exactly this while visiting Cairo, Egypt.)


11. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

12. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

13. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influences of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of the parents.
Communist Goals to Take America



Start whenever you're ready....

All of that applies to the right, in terms of strategy and tactics.

 

[Billy000]

Oh....poor, poor Billy Zero-IQ....

Seems I really hit a nerve.

Your whining 'am not, am not' is hardly a defense of Liberals who despise the America that I love, in the face of their obvious embrace of the "America-evil" theme.


But I can help you....not the psychological support you need.....but here is the political way out you seek:

Simply show that the goals that the communist party supports, Liberals oppose.



You can begin with these......


1. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If the U.N. charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces.

2. Capture one or both political parties in the United States. (In David Horowitz's book The Shadow Party, he shows how the Democratic Party is now under the control of what he calls the Shadow Party of Socialist-Communist influences.)

3. Get Control of the Schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the Party line in textbooks.

4. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

5. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


6. Break down culture standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

7. Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

8. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

9. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." (A.C.L.U. lawyers accomplished this goal in a very short 4 years from publication of the book The Naked Communist.)

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis. (In 2012, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg and A.C.L.U. member said exactly this while visiting Cairo, Egypt.)


11. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

12. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

13. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influences of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of the parents.
Communist Goals to Take America



Start whenever you're ready....

Why am i not surprised you missed my point 100%?

That would be explained by one of these two choices:

1. You are looking for a way to avoid the challenge of finding differences between communism and liberalism.....

or....

2. You are really inarticulate.



Perhaps both.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Wanna take a stab at the challenge in post #9?

Don't be afraid.

Better challenge.

If Communists and Liberals are one and the same, why would the Communist Lee Harvey Oswald take into account his political views when deciding to kill the Liberal JFK?

So....how come you guys will do anything to avoid post #9?


Must be a reason.....

The post is merely a list of the general methods that all political interest groups use to gain power,

including conservatives.

 

[Valox]

Liberals believe in facts, evidence, science, and that the government can be a source of good (even though it has its faults) in order to provide people more freedom.

 

[regent]

So what ended up as the definition of liberalism?

 

[Pheonixops]

Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.





A detailed exposition of that theme can be found in James Piereson of the Manhattan Institute's 2007 book “Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism”

He showed how that moment, the assassination, gave Liberals the opportunity to turn on communism, ...or on America.
Their choice is clear today.


1. "... (concerning Lee Harvey Oswald) “He didn’t even have the satisfaction of being killed for civil rights. It’s — it had to be some silly little Communist.”— Jacqueline Kennedy

2. She thought it robbed his (JFK's) death of any meaning. But a meaning would be quickly manufactured to serve a new politics. First, however, an inconvenient fact — Oswald — had to be expunged from the story.

a. .... 24 months after the assassination, Arthur Schlesinger Jr., the Kennedys’ kept historian, published a thousand-page history of the thousand-day presidency without mentioning the assassin.






3. ... The transformation of a murder by a marginal man into a killing by a sick culture began instantly — before Kennedy was buried. The afternoon of the assassination, Chief Justice Earl Warren ascribed Kennedy’s “martyrdom” to “the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots.”

a. The next day, James Reston, the New York Times luminary, wrote in a front-page story that Kennedy was a victim of a “streak of violence in the American character,” noting especially “the violence of the extremists on the right.”

[Of course, Liberals are still running with that obfuscation today, with respect to the Tea Party]

b. Never mind that adjacent to Reston’s article was a Times report on Oswald’s Communist convictions and associations. A Soviet spokesman, too, assigned “moral responsibility” for Kennedy’s death to “Barry Goldwater and other extremists on the right.”

[Liberals and Soviet spokesmen....on the same page]






4. .... a Times editorial, “Spiral of Hate,” identified Kennedy’s killer as a “spirit”: The Times deplored “the shame all America must bear for the spirit of madness and hate that struck down” Kennedy. The editorialists were, presumably, immune to this spirit. The new liberalism-as-paternalism would be about correcting other people’s defects..... Kennedy was killed by America’s social climate, whose sickness required “punitive liberalism.”

[ "... Obama Is Making Shutdown As Painful As Possible" http://news92fm.com/390223/congressman-olson-says-obama-is-making-shutdown-as-painful-as-possible/]






5. The bullets of Nov. 22, 1963, altered the nation’s trajectory less by killing a president than by giving birth to a destructive narrative about America.....

6. Punitive liberalism preached the necessity of national repentance for a history of crimes and misdeeds that had produced a present so poisonous that it murdered a president.... Liberalism would become the doctrine of grievance groups owed redress for cumulative inherited injuries inflicted by the nation’s tawdry history, toxic present and ominous future.

[ Obama: "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."]

7. As Piereson writes, the retreat of liberalism from a doctrine of American affirmation left a void that would be filled by Ronald Reagan 17 years after the assassination." George F. Will: When liberals became scolds - The Washington Post





Whitaker Chamber's point proven.

Liberalism continued down the path blazed by Franklin Roosevelt....seeing nothing worthy of confronting nor combating in communism.



Just as Oswald was erased as the central element of the assassination, so, too, was the glorious history of this great nation.
Instead, it turned the battle against a non-existent enemy of freedom and liberty, ...America.


Liberalism: seeking evil in America the way pigs seek truffles.

Typical simple minded, black and white thinking from the right wing. "We are good. They are bad. There is no inbetween."

I'll be honest, it astounds me how devoid so many conservatives are of critical thinking skills.

Seriously, do you all think that us liberals get together and have a fucking monthly meeting to decide what we all believe and agree on? Every liberal in America? You must because that is the only way this childish logic would make any fucking sense.

Liberals are individuals like anyone else. We all have different opinions and levels of intellectual reasoning. WE DON'T ALL THINK THE SAME WAY. We aren't robots for Christs sakes. Why this simple logic escapes you just blows my mind. I guess its just easier to demonize anyone who disagrees with you, huh?

Do yourself a favor and think critically for once about political issues. Otherwise you will always lack a basic understanding of them.

Oh....poor, poor Billy Zero-IQ....

Seems I really hit a nerve.

Your whining 'am not, am not' is hardly a defense of Liberals who despise the America that I love, in the face of their obvious embrace of the "America-evil" theme.


But I can help you....not the psychological support you need.....but here is the political way out you seek:

Simply show that the goals that the communist party supports, Liberals oppose.



You can begin with these......


1. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If the U.N. charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces.

2. Capture one or both political parties in the United States. (In David Horowitz's book The Shadow Party, he shows how the Democratic Party is now under the control of what he calls the Shadow Party of Socialist-Communist influences.)

3. Get Control of the Schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the Party line in textbooks.

4. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

5. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


6. Break down culture standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

7. Present homo-sexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

8. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

9. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." (A.C.L.U. lawyers accomplished this goal in a very short 4 years from publication of the book The Naked Communist.)

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a world-wide basis. (In 2012, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Ginsberg and A.C.L.U. member said exactly this while visiting Cairo, Egypt.)


11. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

12. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

13. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influences of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of the parents.
Communist Goals to Take America



Start whenever you're ready....

1) I certainly don't think that the UN is the only hope for mankind. I am not in favor of a one world government, I think that all countries should be sovereign. I think that the concept of the UN, when used intelligently , can make our wold safer when countries of goodwill come together to discuss or debate issues and situations in the world that can be addressed through peaceful, civilized means. I have heard conservatives such as Hannity and Co. use the UN resolutions as justification to invade and occupy Iraq.

2) Sounds like some silly conspiratorial crap.

3) The same as two; do you think that some conservatives and religious fundamentalists aren't trying to get God back into Our schools. Think "school prayer"...........

4) See Foxnews, CNS, and World Net Daily, as the conservative counterparts to what you are describing. Do you have a problem with them doing what you described?

5) Same as above.

6) LOL, as long as it's legal, do you have a problem with people expressing their First Amendment rights? Do you think that they should be censured and outlawed by the Limited Government and the get Government out of the way, that many conservatives claim that they want?"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."

7) See above!

8) What happened to the freedom of religion that many conservatives profess to believe in? do you think that the Government should approve of what religion is valid?

9) Are you in support of schools having Muslim prayers every morning before school starts? "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries."
James Madison
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10) The Founding Fathers knew that at some time the Constitution may need to be changed to reflect the times, that's why they made provisions to Amend and out of date Constitution.

11) LOL, I think that you are over generalizing here.

12) Same as above.

13) Same as #11.

 

[edthecynic]

But true.

I'm quite sure plenty of Liberal Looney's will gladly define the conservatives in the same manner.

Repeating my earlier post:

Considering that modern day American liberals are generally agreed that:
1. The rich should pay more so that the poor will have more
2. It is right and good that government take from some and give to others.
3. It is necessary for government to order society and regulate the work place, wages, products, education, and living conditions
4. Justice demands control over speech, attitudes towards disadvantaged people, and punishment for those who don't toe the political correctness bible
5. Property should be more communal than private

. . . can anybody honestly say that these are not components of Marx's method for wresting power from the haves and transferring to the have nots until his vision of utopian communism is achieved?

In contrast:

Conservatives believe charity should be a matter of consicence and choice, not something done by government.

Conservatives believes it violates every principle the Constitution was founded on to take property from one citizen and give that property to another.

Conservatives believe the Founders intended the federal government to secure our rights and then leave us alone to live our lives and form whatever sort of society we wished to have. Such is the very definition of liberty.

Conservatives believe that political correctness is a scourge of liberalism and the primary method of government to pull off a bloodless coup and deny all concepts of unalienable rights.

Conservatives believe that property is an unalienable right and should be untouchable by the federal government so long as nobody's unalieanble rights are violated.

Very different from what liberals preach don't you think?

(Note: Both 'liberal' and 'conservative' here are used in the context of how most people define them in America at the current time.)

The problem with that bullshit is CON$ say one thing and do the exact opposite.