Democrat Says Slavery Was “Right For The Time”

[NYcarbineer]

We all agree that the democrTic party was responsible for slavery.

When it was conservative, yes. I don't think Robert E. Lee was a liberal.

There we go with the fucking lies again....

Was Stalin a liberal or a conservative? He was a redistributionist and a communist. That makes him a liberal.

How about Lenin? How about Pol Pot? How about Mao? How about Castro?

How about Lincoln who was trying to CONSERVE The Republic?

How about the dimocrap scum in the South who wanted CHANGE??

How about you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and should shut the fuck up and go away

far away

I'm thinking Hell

So Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis were liberals.

btw, you're the same fucktard who told us the other day that George Wallace was a leftist.

lol, you noobskulls are amusing.

 

[CowboyTed]

Can we stop talking about what he may have said or what he meant to say...

We do we get to kill more kids... We are definitely due...

Those Sandy Hook kids took one for the team, pity there parents whined so much...

 

[Staidhup]

The industrial revolution coupled with centralized banking and major international trade house locations in the North fostered an economic divide between the industrialized north and agrarian based economies of the south. The northern industrial complex dictated prices and legislatively held the power to govern trade and pricing. Slavery was tolerated due to the manual requirements of agriculture resulting from the lack of mechanical improvements and innovations available during the period, most importantly the only way the Constitution would have been approved by the southern states. Regardless of the economic and political issues slavery as an acceptable institution was contrary to the fundamental principles the country was based upon, furthermore, a blight upon the country that proclaimed liberty and equality for all.
As for the argument that one party or another was responsible for slavery, be careful here for the largest traders, shippers, importers, and bankers promoting the slave trade were located in New England. The only claim that can be made is that the newly formed Republican party stood for retaining the unity of the country at all cost, subsequently ending slave trade and slavery.
The division between the two parties centered on states rights which was the extension of the Federalist vs Anti Federalist arguments of the late 1780's concerning the role of the central government and power of the states, divisions and intrusions.

 

[Pogo]

We all agree that the democrTic party was responsible for slavery.

When it was conservative, yes. I don't think Robert E. Lee was a liberal.

There we go with the fucking lies again....

Was Stalin a liberal or a conservative? He was a redistributionist and a communist. That makes him a liberal.

No wonder you continue painting yourself into these factual corners.
No, it doesn't make him a "Liberal" at all, just because Liberalism and (true) communism may share a belief in classless "all are created equal" society... Liberalism doesn't believe in activism to that end.

How about Lenin? How about Pol Pot? How about Mao? How about Castro?

How 'bout those Cubs?

How about Lincoln who was trying to CONSERVE The Republic?

Wait wait... you're actually going to try to make the case that because a century and a half after the fact, you go on an internet message board and use the verb "to conserve" with Lincoln -- that that makes him a "conservative"?

 

[natstew]

Probably out of context given its a conservative news website.

But at the time, there was no industrial revolution and these farmers had huge lands that need labor to till so that's how they justified it. However, the invention of the Cotton gin made the use of slavery irrelevant IMO and that ignited the Slavery debate to its boiling point. Dred Scott made it over-boil and go crazy.

Actually, slavery was on it's way out and the cotton gin saved it.

Bird Watcher How the Cotton Gin Saved the South and Slavery

 

[bodecea]

Capitalism ended slavery.

But the scum of the earth dimocraps are too stupid to understand that.

They're still stuck in feudalism and can't get out

Wait, you mean free markets ended slavery in many other western nations without a civil war?

Omg you're right!

"Free markets" caused slavery in the Americas. It's how sugar was grown in Brazil and the Caribbean; it's where tobacco came from in Virginia and the Carolinas; it's what begat cotton in the Mississippi "Delta".

What ended slavery was a public social shift driven by Abolitionism. This in spite of capitalism, slavery having provided an economic gold mine of sub-minimal labor costs. In short -- Slavery was cheaper. Nobody's profits were improved by Abolition.

I mean --- Duh.

You mean the industrial revolution didn't make it ridiculously expensive to house, feed and clothe slaves, instead of investing in a few machines?

If they bothered.....actually slavery caused the Southern slave society to be lazy and not bother to access the new technology.

 

[Pogo]

The industrial revolution coupled with centralized banking and major international trade house locations in the North fostered an economic divide between the industrialized north and agrarian based economies of the south. The northern industrial complex dictated prices and legislatively held the power to govern trade and pricing. Slavery was tolerated due to the manual requirements of agriculture resulting from the lack of mechanical improvements and innovations available during the period, most importantly the only way the Constitution would have been approved by the southern states. Regardless of the economic and political issues slavery as an acceptable institution was contrary to the fundamental principles the country was based upon, furthermore, a blight upon the country that proclaimed liberty and equality for all.

A well-rendered historical background, huzzah.

And the abolition of slavery wasn't exactly an absolute in practice, lest we forget ... though illegalized its concept morphed on at least a limited scale through another institution, where black citizens would be arrested on trumped-up or trivial charges such as "vagrancy" and then, as convicts, used as de facto slave labor despite the abolition thereof. Apropos to the thread's conection with economics, cities and states even made money off this system through the practice of "convict leasing".

As for the argument that one party or another was responsible for slavery, be careful here for the largest traders, shippers, importers, and bankers promoting the slave trade were located in New England. The only claim that can be made is that the newly formed Republican party stood for retaining the unity of the country at all cost, subsequently ending slave trade and slavery.

The practice of slavery long predates the formation of any political party here of course, both as practiced in the Americas and in world history. The Spanish had brought slaves here from Africa five hundred years ago, and Columbus had his own Indian slave captives in the West Indies prior to that. By the time first political parties were formed here (none of which still exist) it had already been a device of economics in North America for centuries.

 

[hortysir]

We all agree that the democrTic party was responsible for slavery.

And we all know that Rs and Ds switched years ago on social and economic stances

When exactly was that, you lying, pus-filled sack of fucking shit?

When?

I keep hearing that fucking LIE from dimocrap scum. Tell us WHEN it happened...

Was it after the 1928 DNC called the "Klanbake"?

Was it during the FDR administration when he appointed a former KKK member to the Supreme Court? Hugo Black, who originated the phony phrase, 'separation of church and State'

Was it before, during or after the longest serving member of Congress Robert KKK Byrd (former Grand Kleagle in the KKK)?

Maybe it was after Harry Truman, former member of the KKK? No? Before?

dimocraps are lying scum.

EVERY.LAST.ONE.OF.THEM.

And since when did the Republican Party take over the South?

Where was Bill the rapist Clinton from?

How about Jimmy the peanut?

How about Al Gore, aka; ManBearPig?

Didn't you notice that Florida AND Virginia (the Capital of the Confederacy) went for the Lying Cocksucker in Chief in 2012? Joined by North Carolina in 2008?

FUCK dimocraps. lying motherfuckers

I always get a big smile when an extremist far right reactionary calls me a liberal because I disagree with their versions of history.

Here.....just for you, because learning is fun
Why Did the Democratic and Republican Parties Switch Platforms Democrats Republicans

 

[NYcarbineer]

Probably out of context given its a conservative news website.

But at the time, there was no industrial revolution and these farmers had huge lands that need labor to till so that's how they justified it. However, the invention of the Cotton gin made the use of slavery irrelevant IMO and that ignited the Slavery debate to its boiling point. Dred Scott made it over-boil and go crazy.

Actually, slavery was on it's way out and the cotton gin saved it.

Bird Watcher How the Cotton Gin Saved the South and Slavery

And you don't suppose the industrial revolution would have created another justification for slavery?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Talk about stepping in your own pile. All one has to do is read this article and it's obvious the gun grabbers don't have anything to stand on, every argument is blown out of the water

Democrat Senator Says Slavery Was “Right For The Time”

At a recent constituent coffee town hall, Oregon state Senator Chuck Riley took heat from pro gun folks who were upset with his vote for the “universal background check” bill. Riley attempted to defend this in numerous different ways, including referencing Supreme Court decisions. When one citizen asked him about the Supreme Court upholding slavery back in the 1800s, Riley said “They were right for the time”.

Democrat Senator Says Slavery Was Right For The Time - Progressives Today

He never said Slavery was right. He said the Court's upholding of slavery was right, constitutionally.

 

[Pogo]

We all agree that the democrTic party was responsible for slavery.

And we all know that Rs and Ds switched years ago on social and economic stances

When exactly was that, you lying, pus-filled sack of fucking shit?

When?

I keep hearing that fucking LIE from dimocrap scum. Tell us WHEN it happened...

Was it after the 1928 DNC called the "Klanbake"?

Geez Louise, if this post doesn't make the case that this board needs a resident psychologist ...

The "switch" happened in stages. As I outlined above, the Republican Party, once entrenched in its late-19th century successes, became beholden to the interests of the Rich, leaving the non-rich and minority population to be exploited by Democrats. Why do you think the DP is now identified with unions, immigrants and minorities??

Because the other available alternative abandoned them, that's why.


The DP for its part had been whoristically exploiting a two-faced panderation to diametrically opposed constituencies; one racist in the South, the other anti-racist everywhere else, until it gradually and reluctantly picked a side, arguably starting with Truman and Humphrey in 1948

That this bipolar machination was part and parcel of the Democratic Party for a hundred years is made obvious by recurring splits of Southern factional protest against the DP, in 1948 referenced above; in 1972 and 1968 where Wallace did the same thing Thurmond did (and who in '64 petitioned Barry Goldwater to be his running mate and had to be talked out of running on his own BY Goldwater that year for fear of Wallace's siphoning off the racist vote) as well as also disrupting the entire Party conventions of 1860 and, as you mention above, 1928 where the Klan showed up to shake up the convention because it was running a Catholic who opposed the Klan (Al Smith) just as it had shown up four years earlier to oppose Alabama Senator Underwood who had also denounced it.

Oh and that Klan at the time? This was the second Klan, the Simmons iteration of 1915, the one that went national and got involved in national electoral politics. In the short time it was a viable force it not only put down Underwood but got another Democrat, a governor of Oklahoma (Walton) removed from office for trying to drive the Klan out -- and got senators, governors and city council members elected to office in Indiana, Colorado and the city of Anaheim -- all of whom were Republicans, so be careful what you wish for, partisan-hackerly speaking. It may lead you down roads your ignorance didn't permit you to know were on the map.

 

[Skylar]

Talk about stepping in your own pile. All one has to do is read this article and it's obvious the gun grabbers don't have anything to stand on, every argument is blown out of the water

Democrat Senator Says Slavery Was “Right For The Time”

At a recent constituent coffee town hall, Oregon state Senator Chuck Riley took heat from pro gun folks who were upset with his vote for the “universal background check” bill. Riley attempted to defend this in numerous different ways, including referencing Supreme Court decisions. When one citizen asked him about the Supreme Court upholding slavery back in the 1800s, Riley said “They were right for the time”.

Democrat Senator Says Slavery Was Right For The Time - Progressives Today

Chuck Riley never says 'slavery was right for the time'. He was asked about a Supreme Court decision regarding slavery. And he said the decision was right for the time.

There's a significant difference.

 

[g5000]

Capitalism ended slavery.

But the scum of the earth dimocraps are too stupid to understand that.

They're still stuck in feudalism and can't get out

Wait, you mean free markets ended slavery in many other western nations without a civil war?

Omg you're right!

Omg you're stupid.

Slavery did not exist in "other western nations" to the extent it did in the US.

And there certainly was a lot of bloodshed and violence in the British colonies over slavery, you ignorant fuck.

What's more, the British textile industry profited very handsomely off the backs of American cotton plantation slaves, just as you and I profit off Bangladeshis when we buy a cheap T-shirt today.

 

[Marxist]

"Capitalism ended slavery."
Yeah, what a crock of shit.

 

[Pogo]

Capitalism ended slavery.

But the scum of the earth dimocraps are too stupid to understand that.

They're still stuck in feudalism and can't get out

Wait, you mean free markets ended slavery in many other western nations without a civil war?

Omg you're right!

Omg you're stupid.

Slavery did not exist in "other western nations" to the extent it did in the US.

And there certainly was a lot of bloodshed and violence in the British colonies over slavery, you ignorant fuck.

What's more, the British textile industry profited very handsomely off the backs of American cotton plantation slaves, just as you and I profit off Bangladeshis when we buy a cheap T-shirt today.

To that "capitalism ended slavery" canard I meant to add that the second republic here in the Americas (after the USA) was born as the result of a slave revolt. That was, and is, Haiti.

 

[Marxist]

Capitalism ended slavery.

But the scum of the earth dimocraps are too stupid to understand that.

They're still stuck in feudalism and can't get out

Wait, you mean free markets ended slavery in many other western nations without a civil war?

Omg you're right!

Omg you're stupid.

Slavery did not exist in "other western nations" to the extent it did in the US.

And there certainly was a lot of bloodshed and violence in the British colonies over slavery, you ignorant fuck.

What's more, the British textile industry profited very handsomely off the backs of American cotton plantation slaves, just as you and I profit off Bangladeshis when we buy a cheap T-shirt today.

To that "capitalism ended slavery" canard I meant to add that the second republic here in the Americas (after the USA) was born as the result of a slave revolt. That was, and is, Haiti.

Let's not forget the profits capitalists were raking in using child labor, slaves for cotton, underpaying women... It's why they fought against child labor laws, the minimum wage, etc..

 

[g5000]

Hitler did not say that, parrot..

Gregor Strasser said it. On June 15, 1926. You copy-and-paste tards can't even get the date right.

Hitler had him murdered on the Night of the Long Knives, along with all the other left-leaning Nazis.

 

[Marxist]

Hitler did not say that, parrot..

Gregor Strasser said it.

Hitler had him murdered on the Night of the Long Knives, along with all the other left-leaning Nazis.

We've told him this, he refuses to listen and calls anyone who disagrees with him "dimocraps"

 

[g5000]

A slave in the 1850 dimocrap controlled South cost $400 on average.

That is over $10,000 in today's money.

The advent of Steam Engines and Capitalism made slavery obsolete. But dimocrap scum are too stupid to know that/

dimocrap scum of the antebellum South were throwbacks to the old Manoral System of Europe.

They did not EMBRACE the American Ideal, they did NOT believe in the Constitution and they did NOT want to be part of America.

They are no different than today's dimocrap scum.

Today, they keep their slaves in the Inner Cities and only concern themselves with them when it's election time or when they want them to riot -- As they're doing in Baltiwhore right now.

dimocraps are the scum of the earth. Always have been

Slavery would have survived well into the 1930s if we had not abolished it.

 

[g5000]

Hitler did not say that, parrot..

Gregor Strasser said it.

Hitler had him murdered on the Night of the Long Knives, along with all the other left-leaning Nazis.

We've told him this, he refuses to listen and calls anyone who disagrees with him "dimocraps"

Edgetho believes the more you repeat something you want to believe, the truer it becomes.