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Jeezuz you argue just to argue. Sheeeeeit...I know because they are still blaming whites for some oppression that doesn’t exist. Black persons have the same exact legal rights in the US as I do. That’s how I know. Democrats have lied to them for at least 40 years because results matter and the results I see, nothing has changed in 40 yrs. zero.How do you know Dems haven’t delivered? Socioeconomic issues are not like a football game where there is a win loss record. You don’t seem to think the issues black advocacy groups promote even exist. So why would they support a party that takes that approach. Now as I’ve been trying to say... if a Republican could change their tone and actually meet with and work with these groups on their issues and bring different ideas and solutions to the table that can effect change then I think they would garner support. I just don’t see many doing that. It’s all that weak sauce I thinkLet me ask you another way. If you have a football team who for 40 yrs hires defensive oriented coaches and never wins. Should they try an offensive minded coach and see how that coach does just for a change? I get That you don’t know why as you’re not one but logically you don’t believe they should try something different. Yes the Democrats say what they want to hear but they don’t deliver. At least not for 40 yrs. again, you do the same thing over and over again but you except different results, you’re insane.I did address that point. I said you’d need to ask a black person who votes democrat why they do so. I’m not black, I don’t face the same issues that they do, I can’t answer your question. They obviously think the dem party better represents the issues they find important in a better way than the Reps. You started this thread asking why blacks don’t vote for republicans. I’m answering that question by saying that Republicans don’t try and work with them on the issues they care about, they more often oppose and dismiss those issues. You literally just said it... pandering is weak sauce. So there is your answer. The Reps don’t get more black votes because working on issues they care about is considered weak sauce. Question answered.Rising tide raises all boats. Pandering to a race of people is weak sauce IMO. You have yet to refute what I said. 40 years of my life...40. Blacks have voted for Democrats and they are no better off. Why won’t you address that point? Most cities are run by Democrats. Many of those are completely awful. LA, Chicago, Baltimore, Newark, St. Louis, Louisville just to name a few. Just logically why not give the other party a shot? Forget the politics even. Just try something different. What do you really have to lose?You’re talking about Trump, the most divisive politician I’ve ever seen in my life, I don’t blame people for not wanting to work with him. You ask what has been solved. Well these things don’t get solved, they either improve or degrade. They often come in cycles. No person or party is going to have the magic formula to solve these issues. But what I’m saying is if you want a larger proportion of blacks voting for Republicans then republicans should make an effort to work with then to address the issues that are important to them. I haven’t seen a good effort from republicans to do this... I’ve seen them most often fighting against the issues that the black community are trying to addressSay you're right. How has voting Democrat the past 40 years solved that. I would argue it made it worse. BLM doesn't want to meet. Trump offered many times to meet with them and they declined. Kanye did. Ice Cube did. 50 Cent supported him and the black community on social media vilified them. Black community didn't elect John James, who I saw as an excellent candidate. If the community doesn't want to help itself then I am not sure what we can do.I think you make a good point that most people just want to be happy and free and see the same for others. Of course you will always find the miserable schmucks who want to bring everybody else down to their level but I think for the most part we all just want peace and happiness. I’d say about your friends that you are using the wrong sample. Black republicans are not going to tell you why the majority Don blacks support the Dems. You’d have to ask black democrats. Blacks that feel the country is systematically racist and blacks who have felt oppressed. Those are the people I’d recommend republicans speak to, find common goals with, and then work on solutions with them. Just think about it. What if a Republican candidate when down to BLM headquarters. Met with a group of leaders. Found an initiative they could agree on and then worked with them to get it done. That’s how you unify and that’s how you attract new voters. Would you agree?I don't have a party. I am an Independent and believe both parties should be held accountable. I have three very close black friends, like brothers close. None believe the country is systemically racist. They do believe we stereotype and they do themselves and will frequently make Jewish jokes at my expense as a matter of fun. Their causes are the same as mine. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Quiet enjoyment of life, good employment, good upbringing for our kids and good health for all.You didn’t use the word stupid. But that’s the type of argument I hear from the right all the time so I used it in a general sense. You’re still dodging the point. You’re asking what causes they care about, so you don’t seem to care enough to know the answer, and you constantly dismiss one of their primary causes by making points that there is not racism in our system of government. But then you wonder why they aren’t supporting your party. Don’t you see the issues with that logic?When did I use the word "stupid"?That is a personal decision for each person to make. Calling them stupid for not voting Republican isn’t going to win them over... but what would win them over is having Republican candidates partner with advocacy groups to progress causes that are important to them. That’s just common sense. Why don’t more republicans do that?I’ll be happy to explain it to you but you seem to be dismissing my comments. You ask what issues? Well maybe the fact that you are asking that question and don’t already know is part of the problem.What issues? The narrative from the News Entertainment media is that the GOP is racist because it wants to treat blacks the same as whites. Not sure why that is racist. Please explain that one to me. Only way IMO the GOP makes strides is if prominent black persons shift to the party.Sure is... but I thought we were talking about getting republicans more support from black voters. Why not take hold and lead on a couple issues that the black community cares about. Most of the time I only see republicans fighting against those as the Dems lead the charge. It’s not a mystery why the Dems pick up most the black voteLOLLove the wire, great show. You should talk the Republicans into running on making Hamsterdam a reality. That might get one elected!Those who live there continue to struggle with not one student proficient in math and they have 13 high schools. Voters just do what news Entertainment media tells them to. Baltimore has been a horrible place for my entire life. Watch The Wire, it’s sad.You may have though he sucked but obviously those who lived there disagreed. What efforts have the Republican Party initiated to work in line with minority causes?I disagree. Baltimore had Elijah Cummings there for 40 yrs. He sucked and yet was re-elected every single time. News Entertainment media brainwashes voters. Who is an “overt racist”?Republicans can start by proactively initiating legislation to address causes that the black community needs and wants. They can also purge their party of the overt racistsBy pandering to the African American community by painting the GOP as racist the Democrats garner approximately 90% of the black vote. There are ~42 mil African Americans in the US. If say 30mil vote and 90% or 27 mil vote Democrat then the party has a huge advantage. Biden garnered ~7mil more votes than Trump but if Biden didn’t have such an overwhelming support from the African Americans community then the GOP candidate clearly wins. If the support goes from 90% to 75% then the GOP candidate wins.
Question for the GOP is how to garner those votes when the News Entertainment biased media perpetuates the racist narrative. Even Biden stated “If you don’t vote for me you ain’t black”. As the Democrats continue the mantra that the GOP is racist and give the African American voters scraps they continue to have their blind loyalty. Of course this works because if African Americans become successful and see how the Democrats rip off the middle class they can turn and vote GOP as only 10% currently do. But hopefully many open their eyes. But so far the Leftist strategy has worked very well. Kudos.
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my point is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results is insane
I am not dismissing anything. My point is I am 40 and during my lifetime, blacks have been voting Democrat and their lives have not changed. Maybe try a different candidate? What is your counterpoint to that?
What causes are important to "them"? Are they not human beings like the rest of us? I hate this divisive rhetoric. You have not addressed my point. For my entire life the vast majority of blacks have voted Democrat and nothing has changed. Why not give another party a try? All I am saying. In Michigan, John James lost to a Democrat. James is black the Dem is white. Detroit remains a tough area. As does Flint.
When you vote against your own best interests and then call me racist, I am not sure what I can do or a Republican or 3rd party candidate can do to impact that.
Two grew up in the inner city and moved to the burbs, the other grew up in the burbs and moved to NYC and is now leaving. They tell me the biggest issue in their community is not me, but fellow African Americans and their crab mentality. A term I never heard until one of them told me about it and the other two agreed.
All three are Republicans and I am more left than all. So my sample size is an incorrect one and tiny, minuscule to be fair. But I have hung out at their family functions, I have interacted with many minorities as I seat on a BOD of a major university and all just want to pursue happiness without any bullshit.
So I am not sure what you mean? Give me an example. If you were consulting the GOP or a party outside of the Democratic Party, what would you advise them to do? Playing the race card gets the Dems votes but the living conditions for many minorities who vote for them don't change and in my lifetime their progress has been frozen.
That is the message the GOP should deliver in my opinion. Harsh? Yes. True? Yes.
So they and you should not cry racism to me as you have put people in power who are inept.