Democrats Deny These Immigration Truths

[Wyatt earp]

Uhm because illegaI rapist and killer Mexicans cross state lines with ease?



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So you want to spend a trillion dollars building a wall that will stop 2 murders and 4 rapes a year? Ridiculous.

But, are you even following this guys thinking? He's all over the place. Why does it matter if a state lets foreigners come and go? Foreigners can come and go anywhere they want in the USA if they have a visitor visa. What they can't do is work. If they work the employer should go to jail. That way no employer would dare hire an illegal.

And how does turning welfare over to the states have anything to do with this?

Anyways, Mexican rapists and murderers come here to work. Rape is just a bonus.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ murder worked on farm owned by Iowa GOP family for 4 years

“This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government’s E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing,” the statement read.

“Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States.”

And actually they lied. They did not use Everify. They used a less reliable verification system and imo they knew he gave them a fake id. We can do better people.

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

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Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

WTF?

What kind of screw ball are you?


We already have a fucking wall .

 

[Wyatt earp]

Uhm because illegaI rapist and killer Mexicans cross state lines with ease?



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.

So you want to spend a trillion dollars building a wall that will stop 2 murders and 4 rapes a year? Ridiculous.

But, are you even following this guys thinking? He's all over the place. Why does it matter if a state lets foreigners come and go? Foreigners can come and go anywhere they want in the USA if they have a visitor visa. What they can't do is work. If they work the employer should go to jail. That way no employer would dare hire an illegal.

And how does turning welfare over to the states have anything to do with this?

Anyways, Mexican rapists and murderers come here to work. Rape is just a bonus.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ murder worked on farm owned by Iowa GOP family for 4 years

“This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government’s E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing,” the statement read.

“Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States.”

And actually they lied. They did not use Everify. They used a less reliable verification system and imo they knew he gave them a fake id. We can do better people.

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.




How can they take a job if they dont live here?


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[Porter Rockwell]

So you want to spend a trillion dollars building a wall that will stop 2 murders and 4 rapes a year? Ridiculous.

But, are you even following this guys thinking? He's all over the place. Why does it matter if a state lets foreigners come and go? Foreigners can come and go anywhere they want in the USA if they have a visitor visa. What they can't do is work. If they work the employer should go to jail. That way no employer would dare hire an illegal.

And how does turning welfare over to the states have anything to do with this?

Anyways, Mexican rapists and murderers come here to work. Rape is just a bonus.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ murder worked on farm owned by Iowa GOP family for 4 years

“This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government’s E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing,” the statement read.

“Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States.”

And actually they lied. They did not use Everify. They used a less reliable verification system and imo they knew he gave them a fake id. We can do better people.

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

WTF?

What kind of screw ball are you?


We already have a fucking wall .

Why do you want to take this conversation south? If we already have a wall, how come we're discussing the subject?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

So you want to spend a trillion dollars building a wall that will stop 2 murders and 4 rapes a year? Ridiculous.

But, are you even following this guys thinking? He's all over the place. Why does it matter if a state lets foreigners come and go? Foreigners can come and go anywhere they want in the USA if they have a visitor visa. What they can't do is work. If they work the employer should go to jail. That way no employer would dare hire an illegal.

And how does turning welfare over to the states have anything to do with this?

Anyways, Mexican rapists and murderers come here to work. Rape is just a bonus.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ murder worked on farm owned by Iowa GOP family for 4 years

“This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government’s E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing,” the statement read.

“Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States.”

And actually they lied. They did not use Everify. They used a less reliable verification system and imo they knew he gave them a fake id. We can do better people.

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.




How can they take a job if they dont live here?


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If you had a skill set that the Saudis were willing to triple your salary for if you came to work on Jan 5 of next year, you'd figure a way to get there - and NO, they do not expect you to become a citizen.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

this is not 1850 anymore

1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

2 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

3 What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.

15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.

16 I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge.

17 And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit.

18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Ecclesiastes Chapter 1

 

[Wyatt earp]

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

WTF?

What kind of screw ball are you?


We already have a fucking wall .

Why do you want to take this conversation south? If we already have a wall, how come we're discussing the subject?

Because you are stupid?

 

[Wyatt earp]

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.




How can they take a job if they dont live here?


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If you had a skill set that the Saudis were willing to triple your salary for if you came to work on Jan 5 of next year, you'd figure a way to get there - and NO, they do not expect you to become a citizen.

Uhm you are stupid, the Saudis could pay me 10 billion dollars and I still wouldn't live there .


The idea of being cut up alive dosnt appeal to me.

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[Porter Rockwell]

Don’t all elected officials take an oath when they take office? And doesn’t this oath state that they will defend the constitution?


If that’s the case, why don’t the Dims want to defend this country against foreign invaders? Criminals who disobey the very laws they’ve enacted?

Now, Democrats are going to say, “Why is the government arresting hardworking immigrants? They are just seeking a better way of life.” Well, this is a simple, twofold answer. One, they are not here legally. Two, and just as important, they are taking jobs that hardworking Americans do not have access to.

Let’s hope that Trump is successful before Christmas in getting the wall funded. And let’s hope Congress finally gets its act together and remembers the meaning of that oath that they all took.

More @ Democrats Deny These Immigration Truths

6.7 million job openings, and record low unemployment. If an illegal is taking your job, then you are a piss poor excuse for an American.

There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before

So you're saying mexicans are stupid?
Here's the thing you lefty douchebags always leave out when discussing illegal immigration.....they eventually get amnesty and compete with Americans mainly in the blue collar sector.
When I call someone to come out and fix my refrigerator? Mexican,same for my A/C,plumbing and every other blue collar job.
The funny part? They're taking jobs away from blacks far more than they are from whites.

Enjoy!!

I see no evidence of that. But here is the thing:

I called a plumber to install an overflow valve on a water heater. I'd have done the job myself, but I had just come home from surgery. I had the part.

The plumber takes almost twenty minutes to come back with an "estimate" of $245 and a service fee of $50. I gave him $50 for coming out and told him he better be off my property in thirty seconds.

A guy comes along off Craigslist and does the job for $30 and it's done in ten minutes. American workers think they should be paid a surgeon's wages for a skill set that takes two years to learn. Let me ask you: If the county wanted you to upgrade your home or lose it and you could not afford it, would you hire someone that didn't have papers OR lose your home?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.




How can they take a job if they dont live here?


.

If you had a skill set that the Saudis were willing to triple your salary for if you came to work on Jan 5 of next year, you'd figure a way to get there - and NO, they do not expect you to become a citizen.

Uhm you are stupid, the Saudis could pay me 10 billion dollars and I still wouldn't live there .


The idea of being cut up alive dosnt appeal to me.

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If your family were hungry, it would appeal to you. You just don't want to answer the question and it's easier to call me names.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.




How can they take a job if they dont live here?


.

If you had a skill set that the Saudis were willing to triple your salary for if you came to work on Jan 5 of next year, you'd figure a way to get there - and NO, they do not expect you to become a citizen.

Uhm you are stupid, the Saudis could pay me 10 billion dollars and I still wouldn't live there .


The idea of being cut up alive dosnt appeal to me.

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If your family were hungry, it would appeal to you. You just don't want to answer the question and it's easier to call me names.

That's why we have dear to hunt here

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[Wyatt earp]

Don’t all elected officials take an oath when they take office? And doesn’t this oath state that they will defend the constitution?


If that’s the case, why don’t the Dims want to defend this country against foreign invaders? Criminals who disobey the very laws they’ve enacted?

Now, Democrats are going to say, “Why is the government arresting hardworking immigrants? They are just seeking a better way of life.” Well, this is a simple, twofold answer. One, they are not here legally. Two, and just as important, they are taking jobs that hardworking Americans do not have access to.

Let’s hope that Trump is successful before Christmas in getting the wall funded. And let’s hope Congress finally gets its act together and remembers the meaning of that oath that they all took.

More @ Democrats Deny These Immigration Truths

6.7 million job openings, and record low unemployment. If an illegal is taking your job, then you are a piss poor excuse for an American.

There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before

So you're saying mexicans are stupid?
Here's the thing you lefty douchebags always leave out when discussing illegal immigration.....they eventually get amnesty and compete with Americans mainly in the blue collar sector.
When I call someone to come out and fix my refrigerator? Mexican,same for my A/C,plumbing and every other blue collar job.
The funny part? They're taking jobs away from blacks far more than they are from whites.

Enjoy!!

I see no evidence of that. But here is the thing:

I called a plumber to install an overflow valve on a water heater. I'd have done the job myself, but I had just come home from surgery. I had the part.

The plumber takes almost twenty minutes to come back with an "estimate" of $245 and a service fee of $50. I gave him $50 for coming out and told him he better be off my property in thirty seconds.

A guy comes along off Craigslist and does the job for $30 and it's done in ten minutes. American workers think they should be paid a surgeon's wages for a skill set that takes two years to learn. Let me ask you: If the county wanted you to upgrade your home or lose it and you could not afford it, would you hire someone that didn't have papers OR lose your home?

So you like exploiting brown people for cheap labor that undercuts American workers ..

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[danielpalos]

Why does it matter whether or not a state allows foreigners to come and go? It should encourage us to force Congress to turn welfare over to the states. That way, if California wants to be a sanctuary state and they can afford it, that is their business.

The next step we should take is to make sure that the benefits and privileges like welfare, education, etc. are benefits of citizenship and the government cannot dole that money to out to ANY non-citizen.

Uhm because illegaI rapist and killer Mexicans cross state lines with ease?



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So you want to spend a trillion dollars building a wall that will stop 2 murders and 4 rapes a year? Ridiculous.

But, are you even following this guys thinking? He's all over the place. Why does it matter if a state lets foreigners come and go? Foreigners can come and go anywhere they want in the USA if they have a visitor visa. What they can't do is work. If they work the employer should go to jail. That way no employer would dare hire an illegal.

And how does turning welfare over to the states have anything to do with this?

Anyways, Mexican rapists and murderers come here to work. Rape is just a bonus.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ murder worked on farm owned by Iowa GOP family for 4 years

“This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government’s E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing,” the statement read.

“Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States.”

And actually they lied. They did not use Everify. They used a less reliable verification system and imo they knew he gave them a fake id. We can do better people.

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Upgrading Ellis Island is more cost effective.

 

[sealybobo]

Try making sense for a start. Wtf do welfare and commerce clauses have to do with our border? Or a common defense issue? With whom? Why would we need a common issue?

Welcome to Daniel's strange, strange world.

Now I see why you guys get so frustrated with liberals. Trust me we don't all defend sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants.

Why does it matter whether or not a state allows foreigners to come and go? It should encourage us to force Congress to turn welfare over to the states. That way, if California wants to be a sanctuary state and they can afford it, that is their business.

The next step we should take is to make sure that the benefits and privileges like welfare, education, etc. are benefits of citizenship and the government cannot dole that money to out to ANY non-citizen.

The reason why thirty years ago unions fought against illegal immigration was because they understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability. More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.

We fought for laws that would regulate immigration into the United States to a small enough flow that it wouldn't dilute the labor pool. The first laws creating a quota for immigrants were passed in the 1920s, in response to a sense that the country could no longer absorb large numbers of unskilled workers, despite pleas by big business that it wanted the new workers.

Do a little math. There are 7.6 million unemployed Americans and at the same time 15 million illegals working here diluting our labor pool. If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.

Every nation has an obligation to limit immigration to a number that will not dilute its workforce if it wants to maintain a stable middle class. This has nothing to do with race but everything to do with economics.

The simple way to do this today is to require that all non-refugee immigrants go through the same process to become American citizens or legal workers in this country (no amnesties, no "guest workers," no "legalizations") regardless of how they got here and to confront employers who hire illegals with draconian financial and criminal penalties.

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave.

This is, after all, the middle-class "American Dream." And how much better this hemisphere would be if Central and South Americans were motivated to stay in their own nations (because no employer in the US would dare hire them) and fight there for a Mexican Dream and a Salvadoran Dream and a Guatemalan Dream (and so on).

I fully disagree with you.

In the 1950s the feds started Operation Wetback. In less than five years of rounding up foreigners and shipping them home our unemployment rate doubled. It is a different economics lesson, but what you bring to the table is easily answered.

Where do you suppose that the American workers are today?

"the total number of persons in the adult correctional systems had fallen to 6,851,000 persons, approximately 52,200 fewer offenders than at the year end of 2013 as reported by the BJS. About 1 in 36 adults (or 2.8% of adults in the US) were under some form of correctional supervision"

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia

“Drug use is on the rise in this country and 23.5 million Americans are addicted to alcohol and drugs. That’s approximately one in every 10 Americans over the age of 12 – roughly equal to the entire population of Texas. But only 11 percent of those with an addiction receive treatment."

New Data Show Millions of Americans with Alcohol and Drug Addiction Could Benefit from Health Care Reform - Where Families Find Answers on Substance Use | Partnership for Drug-Free Kids

There is quite a bit of overlap, but drug using Americans with a criminal record find themselves unemployable and end up on government assistance. The parents allow of a lot of those people allow them to sponge off mom and dad. Between that and government giving them a debit card for food, these people have no incentive to work.

The standard canard of the right is that foreigners are stealing jobs (that is a socialist argument, btw), when in reality, many Americans are unemployable due to background checks that are irrelevant to most jobs AND parents mollycoddling their now middle age "children" whilst they suck off the government teat.

Then import them legally. The same way legal immigrants had to get in, they should all have to do the same.

Even the ones here now. No shortcuts, amnesty or guest workers.

 

[hadit]

Uhm because illegaI rapist and killer Mexicans cross state lines with ease?



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So you want to spend a trillion dollars building a wall that will stop 2 murders and 4 rapes a year? Ridiculous.

But, are you even following this guys thinking? He's all over the place. Why does it matter if a state lets foreigners come and go? Foreigners can come and go anywhere they want in the USA if they have a visitor visa. What they can't do is work. If they work the employer should go to jail. That way no employer would dare hire an illegal.

And how does turning welfare over to the states have anything to do with this?

Anyways, Mexican rapists and murderers come here to work. Rape is just a bonus.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ murder worked on farm owned by Iowa GOP family for 4 years

“This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government’s E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing,” the statement read.

“Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States.”

And actually they lied. They did not use Everify. They used a less reliable verification system and imo they knew he gave them a fake id. We can do better people.

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Upgrading Ellis Island is more cost effective.

How and why are they going to get there when they can just walk across the border?

 

[danielpalos]

So you want to spend a trillion dollars building a wall that will stop 2 murders and 4 rapes a year? Ridiculous.

But, are you even following this guys thinking? He's all over the place. Why does it matter if a state lets foreigners come and go? Foreigners can come and go anywhere they want in the USA if they have a visitor visa. What they can't do is work. If they work the employer should go to jail. That way no employer would dare hire an illegal.

And how does turning welfare over to the states have anything to do with this?

Anyways, Mexican rapists and murderers come here to work. Rape is just a bonus.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ murder worked on farm owned by Iowa GOP family for 4 years

“This individual has worked at our farms for four years, was vetted through the government’s E-Verify system, and was an employee in good standing,” the statement read.

“Yarrabee Farms follows all laws related to verifying employees are legal to work in the United States.”

And actually they lied. They did not use Everify. They used a less reliable verification system and imo they knew he gave them a fake id. We can do better people.

A trillion for the wall? Not even close. Please at least be a little more accurate.

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Upgrading Ellis Island is more cost effective.

How and why are they going to get there when they can just walk across the border?

They can get a federal id. at Ellis Island.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Those who want the wall will never engage in a Cost / Benefits Analysis of the startup costs and maintenance costs versus the promised benefit relative to what they claim foreigners are costing us.

You do we already have a wall right, why do you hate it?

.

Have you been following my posts? Take your pick:

1) The wall idea cannot be enforced without National ID - and then there comes the pretext for 24 / 7 / 365 surveillance and monitoring of every individual in the U.S

2) The Constitution Free Zone

3) The peripheral laws surrounding the nutty wall prevent private property owners from protecting their own property

4) Enforcement of the wall results in a repeal of the Bill of Rights

5) The idea that foreigners cannot take a job willingly offered has ended up with the right making this bogus argument that foreigners are stealing jobs. Did the public own the jobs? No. The right is making a socialist argument.

How many reasons do you want and how many times do I have to post them on this thread?

WTF?

What kind of screw ball are you?


We already have a fucking wall .

Why do you want to take this conversation south? If we already have a wall, how come we're discussing the subject?

Because you are stupid?



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So, if someone has an opinion that is different from yours, they are stupid? Oh, I get it. God died and left you in charge.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Welcome to Daniel's strange, strange world.

Now I see why you guys get so frustrated with liberals. Trust me we don't all defend sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants.

Why does it matter whether or not a state allows foreigners to come and go? It should encourage us to force Congress to turn welfare over to the states. That way, if California wants to be a sanctuary state and they can afford it, that is their business.

The next step we should take is to make sure that the benefits and privileges like welfare, education, etc. are benefits of citizenship and the government cannot dole that money to out to ANY non-citizen.

The reason why thirty years ago unions fought against illegal immigration was because they understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability. More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.

We fought for laws that would regulate immigration into the United States to a small enough flow that it wouldn't dilute the labor pool. The first laws creating a quota for immigrants were passed in the 1920s, in response to a sense that the country could no longer absorb large numbers of unskilled workers, despite pleas by big business that it wanted the new workers.

Do a little math. There are 7.6 million unemployed Americans and at the same time 15 million illegals working here diluting our labor pool. If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.

Every nation has an obligation to limit immigration to a number that will not dilute its workforce if it wants to maintain a stable middle class. This has nothing to do with race but everything to do with economics.

The simple way to do this today is to require that all non-refugee immigrants go through the same process to become American citizens or legal workers in this country (no amnesties, no "guest workers," no "legalizations") regardless of how they got here and to confront employers who hire illegals with draconian financial and criminal penalties.

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave.

This is, after all, the middle-class "American Dream." And how much better this hemisphere would be if Central and South Americans were motivated to stay in their own nations (because no employer in the US would dare hire them) and fight there for a Mexican Dream and a Salvadoran Dream and a Guatemalan Dream (and so on).

I fully disagree with you.

In the 1950s the feds started Operation Wetback. In less than five years of rounding up foreigners and shipping them home our unemployment rate doubled. It is a different economics lesson, but what you bring to the table is easily answered.

Where do you suppose that the American workers are today?

"the total number of persons in the adult correctional systems had fallen to 6,851,000 persons, approximately 52,200 fewer offenders than at the year end of 2013 as reported by the BJS. About 1 in 36 adults (or 2.8% of adults in the US) were under some form of correctional supervision"

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia

“Drug use is on the rise in this country and 23.5 million Americans are addicted to alcohol and drugs. That’s approximately one in every 10 Americans over the age of 12 – roughly equal to the entire population of Texas. But only 11 percent of those with an addiction receive treatment."

New Data Show Millions of Americans with Alcohol and Drug Addiction Could Benefit from Health Care Reform - Where Families Find Answers on Substance Use | Partnership for Drug-Free Kids

There is quite a bit of overlap, but drug using Americans with a criminal record find themselves unemployable and end up on government assistance. The parents allow of a lot of those people allow them to sponge off mom and dad. Between that and government giving them a debit card for food, these people have no incentive to work.

The standard canard of the right is that foreigners are stealing jobs (that is a socialist argument, btw), when in reality, many Americans are unemployable due to background checks that are irrelevant to most jobs AND parents mollycoddling their now middle age "children" whilst they suck off the government teat.

Then import them legally. The same way legal immigrants had to get in, they should all have to do the same.

Even the ones here now. No shortcuts, amnesty or guest workers.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution that gives Congress, the President, or even the United States Supreme Court the authority to keep people from coming into the United States in order to conduct lawful activities.

The only legitimate - constitutional - de jure authority the federal government has over immigrants is that Congress is required to make an uniform Rule of Naturalization.

It is lawful to secure a border and regulate the flow of people coming in and out, but let's face the truth here: that is NOT what you want to do. You want to BAN people from coming in - PERIOD. The alternative argument is that those in favor of a wall want people to become citizens in order to have any rights and / or those wanting the wall would employ a quota system and that would discriminate against employers.

 

[sealybobo]

Now I see why you guys get so frustrated with liberals. Trust me we don't all defend sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants.

Why does it matter whether or not a state allows foreigners to come and go? It should encourage us to force Congress to turn welfare over to the states. That way, if California wants to be a sanctuary state and they can afford it, that is their business.

The next step we should take is to make sure that the benefits and privileges like welfare, education, etc. are benefits of citizenship and the government cannot dole that money to out to ANY non-citizen.

The reason why thirty years ago unions fought against illegal immigration was because they understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability. More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.

We fought for laws that would regulate immigration into the United States to a small enough flow that it wouldn't dilute the labor pool. The first laws creating a quota for immigrants were passed in the 1920s, in response to a sense that the country could no longer absorb large numbers of unskilled workers, despite pleas by big business that it wanted the new workers.

Do a little math. There are 7.6 million unemployed Americans and at the same time 15 million illegals working here diluting our labor pool. If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.

Every nation has an obligation to limit immigration to a number that will not dilute its workforce if it wants to maintain a stable middle class. This has nothing to do with race but everything to do with economics.

The simple way to do this today is to require that all non-refugee immigrants go through the same process to become American citizens or legal workers in this country (no amnesties, no "guest workers," no "legalizations") regardless of how they got here and to confront employers who hire illegals with draconian financial and criminal penalties.

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave.

This is, after all, the middle-class "American Dream." And how much better this hemisphere would be if Central and South Americans were motivated to stay in their own nations (because no employer in the US would dare hire them) and fight there for a Mexican Dream and a Salvadoran Dream and a Guatemalan Dream (and so on).

I fully disagree with you.

In the 1950s the feds started Operation Wetback. In less than five years of rounding up foreigners and shipping them home our unemployment rate doubled. It is a different economics lesson, but what you bring to the table is easily answered.

Where do you suppose that the American workers are today?

"the total number of persons in the adult correctional systems had fallen to 6,851,000 persons, approximately 52,200 fewer offenders than at the year end of 2013 as reported by the BJS. About 1 in 36 adults (or 2.8% of adults in the US) were under some form of correctional supervision"

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia

“Drug use is on the rise in this country and 23.5 million Americans are addicted to alcohol and drugs. That’s approximately one in every 10 Americans over the age of 12 – roughly equal to the entire population of Texas. But only 11 percent of those with an addiction receive treatment."

New Data Show Millions of Americans with Alcohol and Drug Addiction Could Benefit from Health Care Reform - Where Families Find Answers on Substance Use | Partnership for Drug-Free Kids

There is quite a bit of overlap, but drug using Americans with a criminal record find themselves unemployable and end up on government assistance. The parents allow of a lot of those people allow them to sponge off mom and dad. Between that and government giving them a debit card for food, these people have no incentive to work.

The standard canard of the right is that foreigners are stealing jobs (that is a socialist argument, btw), when in reality, many Americans are unemployable due to background checks that are irrelevant to most jobs AND parents mollycoddling their now middle age "children" whilst they suck off the government teat.

Then import them legally. The same way legal immigrants had to get in, they should all have to do the same.

Even the ones here now. No shortcuts, amnesty or guest workers.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution that gives Congress, the President, or even the United States Supreme Court the authority to keep people from coming into the United States in order to conduct lawful activities.

The only legitimate - constitutional - de jure authority the federal government has over immigrants is that Congress is required to make an uniform Rule of Naturalization.

It is lawful to secure a border and regulate the flow of people coming in and out, but let's face the truth here: that is NOT what you want to do. You want to BAN people from coming in - PERIOD. The alternative argument is that those in favor of a wall want people to become citizens in order to have any rights and / or those wanting the wall would employ a quota system and that would discriminate against employers.

I don't want to ban anyone. When wages go up and employers can't find enough help, then we let more in. We let in the number that we need. No more.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Don’t all elected officials take an oath when they take office? And doesn’t this oath state that they will defend the constitution?


If that’s the case, why don’t the Dims want to defend this country against foreign invaders? Criminals who disobey the very laws they’ve enacted?

Now, Democrats are going to say, “Why is the government arresting hardworking immigrants? They are just seeking a better way of life.” Well, this is a simple, twofold answer. One, they are not here legally. Two, and just as important, they are taking jobs that hardworking Americans do not have access to.

Let’s hope that Trump is successful before Christmas in getting the wall funded. And let’s hope Congress finally gets its act together and remembers the meaning of that oath that they all took.

More @ Democrats Deny These Immigration Truths

6.7 million job openings, and record low unemployment. If an illegal is taking your job, then you are a piss poor excuse for an American.

There are more jobs than people out of work, something the American economy has never experienced before

So you're saying mexicans are stupid?
Here's the thing you lefty douchebags always leave out when discussing illegal immigration.....they eventually get amnesty and compete with Americans mainly in the blue collar sector.
When I call someone to come out and fix my refrigerator? Mexican,same for my A/C,plumbing and every other blue collar job.
The funny part? They're taking jobs away from blacks far more than they are from whites.

Enjoy!!

I see no evidence of that. But here is the thing:

I called a plumber to install an overflow valve on a water heater. I'd have done the job myself, but I had just come home from surgery. I had the part.

The plumber takes almost twenty minutes to come back with an "estimate" of $245 and a service fee of $50. I gave him $50 for coming out and told him he better be off my property in thirty seconds.

A guy comes along off Craigslist and does the job for $30 and it's done in ten minutes. American workers think they should be paid a surgeon's wages for a skill set that takes two years to learn. Let me ask you: If the county wanted you to upgrade your home or lose it and you could not afford it, would you hire someone that didn't have papers OR lose your home?

What state do you live in?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Why does it matter whether or not a state allows foreigners to come and go? It should encourage us to force Congress to turn welfare over to the states. That way, if California wants to be a sanctuary state and they can afford it, that is their business.

The next step we should take is to make sure that the benefits and privileges like welfare, education, etc. are benefits of citizenship and the government cannot dole that money to out to ANY non-citizen.

The reason why thirty years ago unions fought against illegal immigration was because they understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability. More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.

We fought for laws that would regulate immigration into the United States to a small enough flow that it wouldn't dilute the labor pool. The first laws creating a quota for immigrants were passed in the 1920s, in response to a sense that the country could no longer absorb large numbers of unskilled workers, despite pleas by big business that it wanted the new workers.

Do a little math. There are 7.6 million unemployed Americans and at the same time 15 million illegals working here diluting our labor pool. If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.

Every nation has an obligation to limit immigration to a number that will not dilute its workforce if it wants to maintain a stable middle class. This has nothing to do with race but everything to do with economics.

The simple way to do this today is to require that all non-refugee immigrants go through the same process to become American citizens or legal workers in this country (no amnesties, no "guest workers," no "legalizations") regardless of how they got here and to confront employers who hire illegals with draconian financial and criminal penalties.

As long as employers are willing and able (without severe penalties) to hire illegal workers, people will risk life and limb to grab at the America Dream. When we stop hiring and paying them, most will leave.

This is, after all, the middle-class "American Dream." And how much better this hemisphere would be if Central and South Americans were motivated to stay in their own nations (because no employer in the US would dare hire them) and fight there for a Mexican Dream and a Salvadoran Dream and a Guatemalan Dream (and so on).

I fully disagree with you.

In the 1950s the feds started Operation Wetback. In less than five years of rounding up foreigners and shipping them home our unemployment rate doubled. It is a different economics lesson, but what you bring to the table is easily answered.

Where do you suppose that the American workers are today?

"the total number of persons in the adult correctional systems had fallen to 6,851,000 persons, approximately 52,200 fewer offenders than at the year end of 2013 as reported by the BJS. About 1 in 36 adults (or 2.8% of adults in the US) were under some form of correctional supervision"

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia

“Drug use is on the rise in this country and 23.5 million Americans are addicted to alcohol and drugs. That’s approximately one in every 10 Americans over the age of 12 – roughly equal to the entire population of Texas. But only 11 percent of those with an addiction receive treatment."

New Data Show Millions of Americans with Alcohol and Drug Addiction Could Benefit from Health Care Reform - Where Families Find Answers on Substance Use | Partnership for Drug-Free Kids

There is quite a bit of overlap, but drug using Americans with a criminal record find themselves unemployable and end up on government assistance. The parents allow of a lot of those people allow them to sponge off mom and dad. Between that and government giving them a debit card for food, these people have no incentive to work.

The standard canard of the right is that foreigners are stealing jobs (that is a socialist argument, btw), when in reality, many Americans are unemployable due to background checks that are irrelevant to most jobs AND parents mollycoddling their now middle age "children" whilst they suck off the government teat.

Then import them legally. The same way legal immigrants had to get in, they should all have to do the same.

Even the ones here now. No shortcuts, amnesty or guest workers.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution that gives Congress, the President, or even the United States Supreme Court the authority to keep people from coming into the United States in order to conduct lawful activities.

The only legitimate - constitutional - de jure authority the federal government has over immigrants is that Congress is required to make an uniform Rule of Naturalization.

It is lawful to secure a border and regulate the flow of people coming in and out, but let's face the truth here: that is NOT what you want to do. You want to BAN people from coming in - PERIOD. The alternative argument is that those in favor of a wall want people to become citizens in order to have any rights and / or those wanting the wall would employ a quota system and that would discriminate against employers.

I don't want to ban anyone. When wages go up and employers can't find enough help, then we let more in. We let in the number that we need. No more.

Where I live there are plenty of jobs doing handyman work, landscape work, etc. for $25 to $40 an hour or so. NOBODY wants the jobs. It's easier to get a free ride from the government while living in their parent's home. Nobody wants to be an entrepreneur.