Democrats in Meltdown: Chris Matthews Goes After Sanders

[pknopp]

If Sanders lies about it like Bush, Obama and Trump I will not continue to support him.

He'll have no choice. Once he takes the presidency, he will be filled in with information that will fry his brain and begin to understand why we do the things we do.

My problem is our Middle East Policy has been so fucked up for the last 50 years it will take a long time to get our ass out of there. Trump is trying, Obama tried, Bush aided in it continuing (war monger) etc...

We have tried the same shit for 50 years and made it worse every single fucking time.

We need to exit as soon as possible.

We do what we do for one reason. To line the pockets of the few. Sanders has no reason to support that nor has he ever.

That is simplifying calculus into 2+2. Your argument fails in so many ways. That's a talking point by the left. It is meaningless.

I was asked a question. I answered it. You didn't actually do anything to counter my answer.

There is no counter. It's like asking me to do calculus with only having a + sign.

I'm not disagreeing that pockets are lined. Pockets of government officials have been lined by any opportunity that presents itself to an individual who has control of something. You can't get rid of that unless they are held accountable.

I want to know why no one ever is. Yes, no one being held accountable is a huge problem.

Rob the 7-11 of $68 and you go to prison. Rob the taxpayers of millions and you get to retire in luxury.

But it has little to nothing to do with why we war. We war because as a whole the people of the US want freedom for everyone in the world and sometimes we think we know what's best for the world and the people of another sovereign nation. We think we need to be the police of the world and to get the world to align with us because of fear. It's human nature. Until we evolve as a primate those fears will subside but that takes hundreds to thousands of years.

Odd how some do not support that and have seemed to have evolved.

And look where that fear has gotten us. All twisted up in the middle east, fucking things up and making new enemies. We need to control the fear, but I don't think that is likely to happen nor do I see a way of making it happen. Bernie isn't the answer. At some point, we do need to protect ourselves and I think Bernie may fuck that up. There is a balance to be sought.

So you are going to support the status quo that you admit is backwards thinking. Does that really make sense to you?

Most of our politics in the US are divided. There is little common ground. There are center based policies that can be utilized, but we seem to want winner take all. That will continue to divide us unless we begin to understand that winner take all won't ever work.

I don't disagree but things need put back on a more even keel.

 

[Ken Mac]

Read this. This is a truly enlightening post. This is the state of why socialism fails. Human nature is never taken into account when one aspires to an ideology such as socialism or capitalism. I'm for capitalism because it has been proven to have a positive outcome for most people.

Uh, guy, that's not what I said at all. Capitalism does NOT have a positive outcome for most people. In the US, 60% of us are living paycheck to paycheck. Most of us would be wiped out by a major medical emergency.

Capitalism is bad because it indulges the worst of human nature.

Capitalism worked okay for most white Americans* in the middle of the last century because it was modified by a government system that looked out for workers and workers rights. There was an all too breif period when Republicans and Democrats kind of agreed on this, starting with FDR and ending with Reagan. Then the GOP went full out Plutocracy and the Democrats went full out Welfare State, and here's where we are at.

(* of course, if you were a person of color in America, it generally still sucked overall.)

Aspiring to greatness will never work with socialism. It is a race to mediocrity and much, much worse. The poor will be poorer and the rich will be poor. There has to be control on the reins of capitalism because it leads to oligarchy. There is something to be said for a mix. Over time, as man has less and less labor because it is automated, it will be essential for the the country and world to move toward socialism. The rate at which it moves must controlled such that freedoms are not infringed upon with a totalitarian government control.

I'm not sure if this is true, either. What needs to happen is that we need to make sure that even menial service economy jobs STILL pay a living wage. They actually require more technical skill than something that can now be done by a machine, but they pay less. This is why you have Bernie. Kids go to college for 4 years, get their degree, and then find themselves working a menial job.

 

[theHawk]

MSNBC host Chris Matthews was on the verge of tears on the day of the Iowa Caucus Monday; saying he’s “not happy with this field” and there’s no chance “Bernie Sanders is going to be President of the United States.”

“I’m not happy,” said Matthews. “I’m not happy with this field. I think they’ve got to find a candidate for President who can beat Trump. I’m still looking. They all have problems, obvious problems. Bernie Sanders is not going to be President of the United States.”

“Warren was riding high, I thought she was going to sweep, then she got a lot of scrutiny. Does this stuff add up? Guess who’s going to get it now? Bernie’s going to get it now,” he added. “Who is this guy ideologically? Why does he say the stuff he does about Maduro.”

‘VERGE OF TEARS’: Chris Matthews RIPS Bernie, ‘Not Happy’ with Dem Candidates, All Have ‘Obvious Problems’ | Sean Hannity

I drink his tears like a fine wine.

But, but, but, they all beat President Trump by +10. Their polls wouldn’t be lying, would they?


Well, they can always draft Romney.

 

[JoeB131]

MSNBC host Chris Matthews was on the verge of tears on the day of the Iowa Caucus Monday; saying he’s “not happy with this field” and there’s no chance “Bernie Sanders is going to be President of the United States.”

“I’m not happy,” said Matthews. “I’m not happy with this field. I think they’ve got to find a candidate for President who can beat Trump. I’m still looking. They all have problems, obvious problems. Bernie Sanders is not going to be President of the United States.”

“Warren was riding high, I thought she was going to sweep, then she got a lot of scrutiny. Does this stuff add up? Guess who’s going to get it now? Bernie’s going to get it now,” he added. “Who is this guy ideologically? Why does he say the stuff he does about Maduro.”

I drink his tears like a fine wine.

You shouldn't.

Here's the place where I'm sensing Deja Vu. I remember all the sensible, establishment REPUBLICANS who said the same kinds of things about Trump, how Trump could never win, etc.

Now almost all of them are drinking the Trump Koolaid. You guys are denouncing Mitt Romney,John McCain and the Bush family.

Here's why Bernie should be worrisome to you guys. Biden in many ways is like Mondale, or Bob Dole, or John Kerry or Mitt Romney... He's the nice safe establishment guy that no one is terribly enthusiastic about, but you put him up anyway because he's been vetted.

Bernie is more like Trump or Obama or Reagan... he's someone who strikes an emotional chord with the base. It really doesn't matter if his ideas are stupid or not... he's someone people can get behind.

Biden has supporters. Bernie has an Army.

And Trump is still not liked by most Americans. A correction in the stock market could blow a big hole in his "But the economy's good" narrative.

 

[whitehall]

My guess is that mayor Pete gives him a secret tingle.

 

[Weatherman2020]

MSNBC host Chris Matthews was on the verge of tears on the day of the Iowa Caucus Monday; saying he’s “not happy with this field” and there’s no chance “Bernie Sanders is going to be President of the United States.”

“I’m not happy,” said Matthews. “I’m not happy with this field. I think they’ve got to find a candidate for President who can beat Trump. I’m still looking. They all have problems, obvious problems. Bernie Sanders is not going to be President of the United States.”

“Warren was riding high, I thought she was going to sweep, then she got a lot of scrutiny. Does this stuff add up? Guess who’s going to get it now? Bernie’s going to get it now,” he added. “Who is this guy ideologically? Why does he say the stuff he does about Maduro.”

I drink his tears like a fine wine.

You shouldn't.

Here's the place where I'm sensing Deja Vu. I remember all the sensible, establishment REPUBLICANS who said the same kinds of things about Trump, how Trump could never win, etc.

Now almost all of them are drinking the Trump Koolaid. You guys are denouncing Mitt Romney,John McCain and the Bush family.

Here's why Bernie should be worrisome to you guys. Biden in many ways is like Mondale, or Bob Dole, or John Kerry or Mitt Romney... He's the nice safe establishment guy that no one is terribly enthusiastic about, but you put him up anyway because he's been vetted.

Bernie is more like Trump or Obama or Reagan... he's someone who strikes an emotional chord with the base. It really doesn't matter if his ideas are stupid or not... he's someone people can get behind.

Biden has supporters. Bernie has an Army.

And Trump is still not liked by most Americans. A correction in the stock market could blow a big hole in his "But the economy's good" narrative.

Trump only won and will win again because Democrats work full time to get voters to turn to him.

 

[CWayne]

There has not been an administration that has lied like this one.

Any bad action you excuse will only continue to get worse.

Then stop excusing trump.

I'm not. I do not support Trump. I support Sanders. You can't call out others though for defending lies when you do the same.

Sanders does not propose the same things as Obama. I think I was alive to hear what Obama proposed and what Bernie does. Furthermore Bernie is not a democrat and should not be running as a democratic candidate. But he's a political opportunist and knows he can't be heard if he runs as an independent. So for that alone, Bernie should not be considered for nomination in the democratic party. Republicans won't allow a republican leaning independent to run for president so why should democrats?

Obama didn't lie, he compromised in order to get something done. It's easy to talk shit, but when you sit behind that chair you are the president of the entire country, republican and democrat. Bernie Sanders is a loudmouth that has not been able to accomplish anything in almost 30 years in DC. He voted for the crime bill. He voted to send toxic waste from Vermont to a small mostly Hispanic town in Texas. He wrote a paper about women fantasizing about getting raped. He stood with dictators denouncing America. If he is the nominee, trump gets a second term. So if you support Bernie, you might as well support trump.

Again, little on specifics.

Obama promised to go after the bankers that broke our financial laws. He did not. That was entirely on him. No compromise.

Obama promised to ban lobbyists from the White House. He broke that one on day one. No compromise.

He promised to get us out of the wars. That's his decision to make. He did not.

He promised to not get us involved in new stupid regime change wars. He did. Entirely on him.

How many more do you want?

Don't forget Gitmo

 

[Ken Mac]

Read this. This is a truly enlightening post. This is the state of why socialism fails. Human nature is never taken into account when one aspires to an ideology such as socialism or capitalism. I'm for capitalism because it has been proven to have a positive outcome for most people.

Uh, guy, that's not what I said at all. Capitalism does NOT have a positive outcome for most people. In the US, 60% of us are living paycheck to paycheck. Most of us would be wiped out by a major medical emergency.

Capitalism is bad because it indulges the worst of human nature.

Capitalism worked okay for most white Americans* in the middle of the last century because it was modified by a government system that looked out for workers and workers rights. There was an all too breif period when Republicans and Democrats kind of agreed on this, starting with FDR and ending with Reagan. Then the GOP went full out Plutocracy and the Democrats went full out Welfare State, and here's where we are at.

(* of course, if you were a person of color in America, it generally still sucked overall.)

Aspiring to greatness will never work with socialism. It is a race to mediocrity and much, much worse. The poor will be poorer and the rich will be poor. There has to be control on the reins of capitalism because it leads to oligarchy. There is something to be said for a mix. Over time, as man has less and less labor because it is automated, it will be essential for the the country and world to move toward socialism. The rate at which it moves must controlled such that freedoms are not infringed upon with a totalitarian government control.

I'm not sure if this is true, either. What needs to happen is that we need to make sure that even menial service economy jobs STILL pay a living wage. They actually require more technical skill than something that can now be done by a machine, but they pay less. This is why you have Bernie. Kids go to college for 4 years, get their degree, and then find themselves working a menial job.

It has a more positive outcome for ALL people. Socialism is shared misery. Until we are fully automated (and I mean FULL automation), capitalism is the best system.

 

[JoeB131]

I want to know why no one ever is. Yes, no one being held accountable is a huge problem.

Rob the 7-11 of $68 and you go to prison. Rob the taxpayers of millions and you get to retire in luxury.

Yes, it's always better to be rich than be poor. What's your point? That's why we should all aspire to be rich.

So you are going to support the status quo that you admit is backwards thinking. Does that really make sense to you?

Or just bow to the reality that as long as we are addicted to oil and the Zionists have our leader's balls in a lock box, we aren't going to change our Middle East policy no matter who is elected. You really think a Jew like Commie Bernie is going to turn his back on Israel?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

He knows a full-blown, unapologetic commie has no chance. He prefers his commies to be subtle and sneaky. This is why we should read them all out and execute them.

Fuck latent commies.

Kill a commie for mommy.

.

But get them nominated....

Easy victory for Trump.

I will likely change affiliations to vote for him in the democratic primary.

 

[JoeB131]

It has a more positive outcome for ALL people. Socialism is shared misery. Until we are fully automated (and I mean FULL automation), capitalism is the best system.

I'm not sure how that works at all. Full automation just means the guys who own the machines get rich.

 

[jknowgood]

MSNBC host Chris Matthews was on the verge of tears on the day of the Iowa Caucus Monday; saying he’s “not happy with this field” and there’s no chance “Bernie Sanders is going to be President of the United States.”

“I’m not happy,” said Matthews. “I’m not happy with this field. I think they’ve got to find a candidate for President who can beat Trump. I’m still looking. They all have problems, obvious problems. Bernie Sanders is not going to be President of the United States.”

“Warren was riding high, I thought she was going to sweep, then she got a lot of scrutiny. Does this stuff add up? Guess who’s going to get it now? Bernie’s going to get it now,” he added. “Who is this guy ideologically? Why does he say the stuff he does about Maduro.”

‘VERGE OF TEARS’: Chris Matthews RIPS Bernie, ‘Not Happy’ with Dem Candidates, All Have ‘Obvious Problems’ | Sean Hannity

I drink his tears like a fine wine.

I drink his tears like a fine wine.
That's because you're a prick. That is all your emotional argument is ever about--making the left cry.
Hannity can spin it anyway he likes, but Matthews is right about Bernie. Someone might as well say it.

Will you vote for Bernie if he get the nomination?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

MSNBC host Chris Matthews was on the verge of tears on the day of the Iowa Caucus Monday; saying he’s “not happy with this field” and there’s no chance “Bernie Sanders is going to be President of the United States.”

“I’m not happy,” said Matthews. “I’m not happy with this field. I think they’ve got to find a candidate for President who can beat Trump. I’m still looking. They all have problems, obvious problems. Bernie Sanders is not going to be President of the United States.”

“Warren was riding high, I thought she was going to sweep, then she got a lot of scrutiny. Does this stuff add up? Guess who’s going to get it now? Bernie’s going to get it now,” he added. “Who is this guy ideologically? Why does he say the stuff he does about Maduro.”

‘VERGE OF TEARS’: Chris Matthews RIPS Bernie, ‘Not Happy’ with Dem Candidates, All Have ‘Obvious Problems’ | Sean Hannity

I drink his tears like a fine wine.

I always wanted to see Ed Shultz or Kieth Olberman have an on-air stroke.

Now my hopes are with Chris.

 

[CWayne]

I know you would like to believe this, but Bernies proposals were not the same as Obamas. And Obama didn't lie about those thing but that's what the RRWM told you.

That's what I saw. That's what history has shown us. Your vague accusations are just that also. I stated specific policies where they were the same.

Actually that's not what history shows us.

The Economic Platform and Promises of Candidate Barack Obama in 2008

Are you going to actually make some argument of where Obama and Sanders differed?

Bernie is going to raise taxes. He has said as much. I know you Sanders lovers want to make him into Obama but he's not. And Bernie wants to dismantle Obamacare, he opposed trade deals that Obama proposed and really his opposition to wall street isn't even the same as Obamas. Obama did not propose free college education. You can say that all the democrats running proposed things Obama proposed because some things are long held democratic party beliefs, but Sanders did not propose the exact same things as Obama.

Any one is going to have to raise taxes. We are 23 Trillion in debt. Why do you support massive programs that are never paid for?

When are people going to step up and start paying the trillions the wars are costing us?

Here is where you and I part ways. I agree we are 23 trillion in debt. Taxes are not the answer. Spending reductions are.

 

[percysunshine]

Everyone always gets the original quote wrong...he said ‘tinkle’.

 

[Ken Mac]

It has a more positive outcome for ALL people. Socialism is shared misery. Until we are fully automated (and I mean FULL automation), capitalism is the best system.

I'm not sure how that works at all. Full automation just means the guys who own the machines get rich.

Full automation under a socialist democracy won't require ownership of anything. The government will own the machines. In an ideal situation, there would be no need for a government except to ensure the people have security.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

MSNBC host Chris Matthews was on the verge of tears on the day of the Iowa Caucus Monday; saying he’s “not happy with this field” and there’s no chance “Bernie Sanders is going to be President of the United States.”

“I’m not happy,” said Matthews. “I’m not happy with this field. I think they’ve got to find a candidate for President who can beat Trump. I’m still looking. They all have problems, obvious problems. Bernie Sanders is not going to be President of the United States.”

“Warren was riding high, I thought she was going to sweep, then she got a lot of scrutiny. Does this stuff add up? Guess who’s going to get it now? Bernie’s going to get it now,” he added. “Who is this guy ideologically? Why does he say the stuff he does about Maduro.”

‘VERGE OF TEARS’: Chris Matthews RIPS Bernie, ‘Not Happy’ with Dem Candidates, All Have ‘Obvious Problems’ | Sean Hannity

I drink his tears like a fine wine.

I drink his tears like a fine wine.
That's because you're a prick. That is all your emotional argument is ever about--making the left cry.
Hannity can spin it anyway he likes, but Matthews is right about Bernie. Someone might as well say it.

Indeed he is, but that is not the only Bernie dilemma for the Democrats.

The other is if the establishment Democratic Party yanks the nomination out from under him as they did before, he will hack a leg off that party, take it with him, and that will be the story of 2020. It won't matter who ends up with the nomination.

 

[Rye Catcher]

MSNBC host Chris Matthews was on the verge of tears on the day of the Iowa Caucus Monday; saying he’s “not happy with this field” and there’s no chance “Bernie Sanders is going to be President of the United States.”

“I’m not happy,” said Matthews. “I’m not happy with this field. I think they’ve got to find a candidate for President who can beat Trump. I’m still looking. They all have problems, obvious problems. Bernie Sanders is not going to be President of the United States.”

“Warren was riding high, I thought she was going to sweep, then she got a lot of scrutiny. Does this stuff add up? Guess who’s going to get it now? Bernie’s going to get it now,” he added. “Who is this guy ideologically? Why does he say the stuff he does about Maduro.”

‘VERGE OF TEARS’: Chris Matthews RIPS Bernie, ‘Not Happy’ with Dem Candidates, All Have ‘Obvious Problems’ | Sean Hannity

I drink his tears like a fine wine.

An honest emotion is something a sociopath cannot comprehend. I know from experience the author of this thread is both a damn liar and incapable of honesty.

That said, of the two competing in last nights debate, only Sen. Amy and Tom Steyer impressed me. Even before last night I dismissed Warren and Sanders as too radical and cannot beat Donald Trump in enough states to win the election in Nov.

Mayor Buttigieg fumbled the African American vote when pressed on the increase in arrests for MJ in his city.

Former VP Biden spent too much time defending himself, and not enough time laying out a picture for the future.

Yang is well spoken but his idea of giving $1,000 a month for doing noting is absurd.

Sen Klobuchar was very impressive and moderate enough to win the Heartland, rational gun owners, Women and the majority of Men (misogynists and abusers exempt). And, in a debate with trump, I'm sure she will be prepared to use deadly humor on the fat man-child.

Tom Steyer is committed, and I like his idea of coming together to defeat trump is meritorious, as is his passion on Climate Change.

Our Primary is on March 3rd this year, and I believe the best person to represent the Democratic Party in 2021 and beyond is Bloomberg. He can take on trump in any debate and rattle him since as Mayor of NYC he knows where all the Skeletons are in trumps closet; Bloomberg has a clear sense of business and economics, both Macro and Micro (the latter trump fails in completely), and he is fiscally responsible.

Trump's tactic is to bully anyone who gets in his way, and I have no doubt that Mr Bloomberg will prove his metal to be Presidential, and show the world and the voters that the current President is nothing more than a corrupt, empty suited man-child.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump only won and will win again because Democrats work full time to get voters to turn to him.

Trump won on a fluke, guy. He lost the popular vote and only won the electoral college because too many people pissed away their votes on third parties thinking he couldn't possibly win.

Please don't mistake a fluke in a flawed system as an endorsement.

Now, Trump PROBABLY would have been in better shape if he actually ROSE to the occassion. You know, instead of acting like a Reality TV Rodeo Clown, act like a president with dignity and decorum.

But there's going to be a point in November where sensible people are going to ask themselves, "Do we really want four more years of this insanity?"

 

[Ken Mac]

He'll have no choice. Once he takes the presidency, he will be filled in with information that will fry his brain and begin to understand why we do the things we do.

My problem is our Middle East Policy has been so fucked up for the last 50 years it will take a long time to get our ass out of there. Trump is trying, Obama tried, Bush aided in it continuing (war monger) etc...

We have tried the same shit for 50 years and made it worse every single fucking time.

We need to exit as soon as possible.

We do what we do for one reason. To line the pockets of the few. Sanders has no reason to support that nor has he ever.

That is simplifying calculus into 2+2. Your argument fails in so many ways. That's a talking point by the left. It is meaningless.

I was asked a question. I answered it. You didn't actually do anything to counter my answer.

There is no counter. It's like asking me to do calculus with only having a + sign.

I'm not disagreeing that pockets are lined. Pockets of government officials have been lined by any opportunity that presents itself to an individual who has control of something. You can't get rid of that unless they are held accountable.

I want to know why no one ever is. Yes, no one being held accountable is a huge problem.

Rob the 7-11 of $68 and you go to prison. Rob the taxpayers of millions and you get to retire in luxury.

But it has little to nothing to do with why we war. We war because as a whole the people of the US want freedom for everyone in the world and sometimes we think we know what's best for the world and the people of another sovereign nation. We think we need to be the police of the world and to get the world to align with us because of fear. It's human nature. Until we evolve as a primate those fears will subside but that takes hundreds to thousands of years.

Odd how some do not support that and have seemed to have evolved.

And look where that fear has gotten us. All twisted up in the middle east, fucking things up and making new enemies. We need to control the fear, but I don't think that is likely to happen nor do I see a way of making it happen. Bernie isn't the answer. At some point, we do need to protect ourselves and I think Bernie may fuck that up. There is a balance to be sought.

So you are going to support the status quo that you admit is backwards thinking. Does that really make sense to you?

Most of our politics in the US are divided. There is little common ground. There are center based policies that can be utilized, but we seem to want winner take all. That will continue to divide us unless we begin to understand that winner take all won't ever work.

I don't disagree but things need put back on a more even keel.

It has never been on a more even keel. It gets better over time. You need to get a historical perspective. Check out the times of Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Doheny and more.