Democrats INSIST there is no voter fraud - again they lie

[rightwinger]

You have yet to substantiate your claim that every American has an acceptable photo ID

kids don't have one, but they can't vote. I am quite sure that there are millions of americans who have not bothered to register to vote, but that does not mean that they have no ID.

If Cal they will give a drivers license to an illegal and at the same time register them to vote in a US election. Do you really think that is right? try to answer honestly for once.

Wrong again

If you bothered to read this thread, instead of repeating your erroneous talking points, you would know that California does not register illegals to vote and they have different licenses for non citizens

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Do you understand the difference between a non citizen and an illegal?

 

[Seawytch]

So who is going in to vote as Joe? Where are the statistics?

thats exactly the problem, no one knows. What we do know is that California issues drivers licenses to illegals and you can use a drivers license to register and vote. Do you think thats OK?

Every single state issues drivers licenses to non citizens. All 50.

I don't think that is true. Can you prove it?

Non citizens come here legally and can drive cars. Of course as a RWer, non citizen automatically means "illegal", right?

not at all, I welcome all LEGAL immigrants and foreign tourists. I only have an issue with those that enter our country in violation of our immigration laws, why don't you have an issue with that?

Well, those non citizens can drive legally can’t they? You asked, I answered. No need for additional strawmen because I proved you wrong.

 

[Seawytch]

You have yet to substantiate your claim that every American has an acceptable photo ID

kids don't have one, but they can't vote. I am quite sure that there are millions of americans who have not bothered to register to vote, but that does not mean that they have no ID.

If Cal they will give a drivers license to an illegal and at the same time register them to vote in a US election. Do you really think that is right? try to answer honestly for once.

Wrong again

If you bothered to read this thread, instead of repeating your erroneous talking points, you would know that California does not register illegals to vote and they have different licenses for non citizens

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Yes, in local elections. Many states already do this.

 

[rightwinger]

kids don't have one, but they can't vote. I am quite sure that there are millions of americans who have not bothered to register to vote, but that does not mean that they have no ID.

If Cal they will give a drivers license to an illegal and at the same time register them to vote in a US election. Do you really think that is right? try to answer honestly for once.

Wrong again

If you bothered to read this thread, instead of repeating your erroneous talking points, you would know that California does not register illegals to vote and they have different licenses for non citizens

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Yes, in local elections. Many states already do this.

If you are a non citizen and your children attend local schools, you can vote for school board

Makes sense

 

[Seawytch]

Wrong again

If you bothered to read this thread, instead of repeating your erroneous talking points, you would know that California does not register illegals to vote and they have different licenses for non citizens

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Yes, in local elections. Many states already do this.

If you are a non citizen and your children attend local schools, you can vote for school board

Makes sense

Of course it does.

Immigrants are getting the right to vote in cities across America, which is Trump's worst nightmare

"The mayor and City Council are not deciding national policy. We make decisions about trash pickup, snow removal and equipment for the parks," College Park Councilwoman Christine Nagle told The New York Times in August. "We have shared concerns with our neighbors regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens."(...)

Noncitizen voting has many opponents, but it was actually the norm in the United States from 1776 until 1926, when 40 states and federal territories allowed noncitizens to vote in local, state and sometimes federal elections, according to Ron Hayduk, a political scientist at San Francisco State University.

"For most of America's history and in the vast majority of the USA, voting by noncitizens was the norm, not the exception," he says.​

 

[Redfish]

kids don't have one, but they can't vote. I am quite sure that there are millions of americans who have not bothered to register to vote, but that does not mean that they have no ID.

If Cal they will give a drivers license to an illegal and at the same time register them to vote in a US election. Do you really think that is right? try to answer honestly for once.

Wrong again

If you bothered to read this thread, instead of repeating your erroneous talking points, you would know that California does not register illegals to vote and they have different licenses for non citizens

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Do you understand the difference between a non citizen and an illegal?

yes I do. have you told AOC and Pelosi and Gov Newsome?

But having said that, why should we allow non-citizens to vote? legal or illegal, they are not citizens, ameican elections are for americans, not the non citizens who happen to be here.

Should we let visiting Japanese vote in our elections?

 

[Redfish]

thats exactly the problem, no one knows. What we do know is that California issues drivers licenses to illegals and you can use a drivers license to register and vote. Do you think thats OK?

Every single state issues drivers licenses to non citizens. All 50.

I don't think that is true. Can you prove it?

Non citizens come here legally and can drive cars. Of course as a RWer, non citizen automatically means "illegal", right?

not at all, I welcome all LEGAL immigrants and foreign tourists. I only have an issue with those that enter our country in violation of our immigration laws, why don't you have an issue with that?

Well, those non citizens can drive legally can’t they? You asked, I answered. No need for additional strawmen because I proved you wrong.

Yes, and I can drive legally in France, but I can't vote there.

you have proven nothing except that you are a partisan hack

 

[Redfish]

kids don't have one, but they can't vote. I am quite sure that there are millions of americans who have not bothered to register to vote, but that does not mean that they have no ID.

If Cal they will give a drivers license to an illegal and at the same time register them to vote in a US election. Do you really think that is right? try to answer honestly for once.

Wrong again

If you bothered to read this thread, instead of repeating your erroneous talking points, you would know that California does not register illegals to vote and they have different licenses for non citizens

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Yes, in local elections. Many states already do this.

try that in mexico, or any other country, you would be jailed. SFO is not just letting those non citizens here legally vote, they are also letting those here illegally vote. you and winger are FOS

 

[Redfish]

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Yes, in local elections. Many states already do this.

If you are a non citizen and your children attend local schools, you can vote for school board

Makes sense

Of course it does.

Immigrants are getting the right to vote in cities across America, which is Trump's worst nightmare

"The mayor and City Council are not deciding national policy. We make decisions about trash pickup, snow removal and equipment for the parks," College Park Councilwoman Christine Nagle told The New York Times in August. "We have shared concerns with our neighbors regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens."(...)

Noncitizen voting has many opponents, but it was actually the norm in the United States from 1776 until 1926, when 40 states and federal territories allowed noncitizens to vote in local, state and sometimes federal elections, according to Ron Hayduk, a political scientist at San Francisco State University.

"For most of America's history and in the vast majority of the USA, voting by noncitizens was the norm, not the exception," he says.​

I have no issue with legal non-citizens (those who have entered legally and applied for citizenship) voting in local elections where they live. Those here illegally should never be allowed to vote anywhere.

 

[Redfish]

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Yes, in local elections. Many states already do this.

If you are a non citizen and your children attend local schools, you can vote for school board

Makes sense

Of course it does.

Immigrants are getting the right to vote in cities across America, which is Trump's worst nightmare

"The mayor and City Council are not deciding national policy. We make decisions about trash pickup, snow removal and equipment for the parks," College Park Councilwoman Christine Nagle told The New York Times in August. "We have shared concerns with our neighbors regardless of whether they are U.S. citizens."(...)

Noncitizen voting has many opponents, but it was actually the norm in the United States from 1776 until 1926, when 40 states and federal territories allowed noncitizens to vote in local, state and sometimes federal elections, according to Ron Hayduk, a political scientist at San Francisco State University.

"For most of America's history and in the vast majority of the USA, voting by noncitizens was the norm, not the exception," he says.​

why does it make sense? If I vacation for a month in Italy should I be able to vote in italian elections?

 

[Seawytch]

Every single state issues drivers licenses to non citizens. All 50.

I don't think that is true. Can you prove it?

Non citizens come here legally and can drive cars. Of course as a RWer, non citizen automatically means "illegal", right?

not at all, I welcome all LEGAL immigrants and foreign tourists. I only have an issue with those that enter our country in violation of our immigration laws, why don't you have an issue with that?

Well, those non citizens can drive legally can’t they? You asked, I answered. No need for additional strawmen because I proved you wrong.

Yes, and I can drive legally in France, but I can't vote there.

you have proven nothing except that you are a partisan hack

ME: Every single state issues drivers licenses to non citizens. All 50.
YOU: I don't think that is true. Can you prove it?

I proved it. You were wrong. (As usual) I love when the most partisan of hacks calls me a partisan hack.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong again

If you bothered to read this thread, instead of repeating your erroneous talking points, you would know that California does not register illegals to vote and they have different licenses for non citizens

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Do you understand the difference between a non citizen and an illegal?

yes I do. have you told AOC and Pelosi and Gov Newsome?

But having said that, why should we allow non-citizens to vote? legal or illegal, they are not citizens, ameican elections are for americans, not the non citizens who happen to be here.

Should we let visiting Japanese vote in our elections?

We are talking non citizen residents
People who pay taxes, send their kids to schools, depend on city services.

Why shouldn’t they get to vote on those that make those decisions?
Let the local municipality decide

Keep them from voting on any position with national implications

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Once again there is PROOF that Democrats commit election fraud. Not only do they do it, they do it often and without any remorse. They feel it is their "Right" to win by ANY means necessary.
Until the Right fully accepts that this is the domestic enemy we face, they will continue to gain ground.

Michigan official once honored by Dems now facing election fraud charges
Michigan official once honored by Dems now facing election fraud charges

In Democrat states, I predict the Democrats (having no chance to win fairly) will resort to a level of election fraud never before seen in America. In places such as California, Washington and NewYork, and wherever they have their people in control they will brazenly manipulate the election to their favor.

If they couldn't impeach, take down by gun, or otherwise destroy Trump, they will use this as their last resort.

Should their corruption win the election, what comes next will be shocking.
Their goal is the dismantling of America as we knew it, installing Socialism and Globalism.

Once again showing conservatives are unable to present actual VOTER FRAUD. People voting multiple times, voting under other people’s names

You know, things a voter ID might prevent

Instead you offer ELECTION FRAUD by officials doctoring results. An act that Democrats fight to prevent

Here's some proof:

Trump supporter charged with voting twice in Iowa
Avowed Trump supporter from Mexico convicted of alien voter fraud

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Once again there is PROOF that Democrats commit election fraud. Not only do they do it, they do it often and without any remorse. They feel it is their "Right" to win by ANY means necessary.
Until the Right fully accepts that this is the domestic enemy we face, they will continue to gain ground.

Michigan official once honored by Dems now facing election fraud charges
Michigan official once honored by Dems now facing election fraud charges

In Democrat states, I predict the Democrats (having no chance to win fairly) will resort to a level of election fraud never before seen in America. In places such as California, Washington and NewYork, and wherever they have their people in control they will brazenly manipulate the election to their favor.

If they couldn't impeach, take down by gun, or otherwise destroy Trump, they will use this as their last resort.

Should their corruption win the election, what comes next will be shocking.
Their goal is the dismantling of America as we knew it, installing Socialism and Globalism.

Once again showing conservatives are unable to present actual VOTER FRAUD. People voting multiple times, voting under other people’s names

You know, things a voter ID might prevent

Instead you offer ELECTION FRAUD by officials doctoring results. An act that Democrats fight to prevent

based on this story they arent trying very hard to prevent it,,,

and the resistance to ID laws by dems proves there is something they wish to protect

So you actually read the story and agree it says NOTHING about voter fraud

Yes, there is something Democrats wish to protect. The right of people to vote without arbitrary restrictions based on no credible evidence

proving who you are is not a restriction,,,

Are the IDs free?

 

[progressive hunter]

Once again there is PROOF that Democrats commit election fraud. Not only do they do it, they do it often and without any remorse. They feel it is their "Right" to win by ANY means necessary.
Until the Right fully accepts that this is the domestic enemy we face, they will continue to gain ground.

Michigan official once honored by Dems now facing election fraud charges
Michigan official once honored by Dems now facing election fraud charges

In Democrat states, I predict the Democrats (having no chance to win fairly) will resort to a level of election fraud never before seen in America. In places such as California, Washington and NewYork, and wherever they have their people in control they will brazenly manipulate the election to their favor.

If they couldn't impeach, take down by gun, or otherwise destroy Trump, they will use this as their last resort.

Should their corruption win the election, what comes next will be shocking.
Their goal is the dismantling of America as we knew it, installing Socialism and Globalism.

Once again showing conservatives are unable to present actual VOTER FRAUD. People voting multiple times, voting under other people’s names

You know, things a voter ID might prevent

Instead you offer ELECTION FRAUD by officials doctoring results. An act that Democrats fight to prevent

based on this story they arent trying very hard to prevent it,,,

and the resistance to ID laws by dems proves there is something they wish to protect

So you actually read the story and agree it says NOTHING about voter fraud

Yes, there is something Democrats wish to protect. The right of people to vote without arbitrary restrictions based on no credible evidence

proving who you are is not a restriction,,,

Are the IDs free?

a state ID should be free but a DL should have a fee due to the privileged it allows,,,

also due to the fact you need an ID to register they/you should already have one,,,so wheres the problem??

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Once again showing conservatives are unable to present actual VOTER FRAUD. People voting multiple times, voting under other people’s names

You know, things a voter ID might prevent

Instead you offer ELECTION FRAUD by officials doctoring results. An act that Democrats fight to prevent

based on this story they arent trying very hard to prevent it,,,

and the resistance to ID laws by dems proves there is something they wish to protect

So you actually read the story and agree it says NOTHING about voter fraud

Yes, there is something Democrats wish to protect. The right of people to vote without arbitrary restrictions based on no credible evidence

proving who you are is not a restriction,,,

Are the IDs free?

a state ID should be free but a DL should have a fee due to the privileged it allows,,,

also due to the fact you need an ID to register they/you should already have one,,,so wheres the problem??

Unless it's free, it's a poll tax. No.

 

[jasonnfree]

Here's a trick red states use to keep Black folks from voting. link below

Southern U.S. states have closed 1,200 polling places in recent years: rights group

 

[progressive hunter]

based on this story they arent trying very hard to prevent it,,,

and the resistance to ID laws by dems proves there is something they wish to protect

So you actually read the story and agree it says NOTHING about voter fraud

Yes, there is something Democrats wish to protect. The right of people to vote without arbitrary restrictions based on no credible evidence

proving who you are is not a restriction,,,

Are the IDs free?

a state ID should be free but a DL should have a fee due to the privileged it allows,,,

also due to the fact you need an ID to register they/you should already have one,,,so wheres the problem??

Unless it's free, it's a poll tax. No.

its still a piss poor excuse to not protect the vote,,,
how much does a state ID cost in your state??

here in missouri they are free for voting

 

[Redfish]

I don't think that is true. Can you prove it?

Non citizens come here legally and can drive cars. Of course as a RWer, non citizen automatically means "illegal", right?

not at all, I welcome all LEGAL immigrants and foreign tourists. I only have an issue with those that enter our country in violation of our immigration laws, why don't you have an issue with that?

Well, those non citizens can drive legally can’t they? You asked, I answered. No need for additional strawmen because I proved you wrong.

Yes, and I can drive legally in France, but I can't vote there.

you have proven nothing except that you are a partisan hack

ME: Every single state issues drivers licenses to non citizens. All 50.
YOU: I don't think that is true. Can you prove it?

I proved it. You were wrong. (As usual) I love when the most partisan of hacks calls me a partisan hack.

so just saying it PROVES it? interesting concept. Most of the dems in congress also subscribe to the "I said it so it has to be true" fallacy

 

[Redfish]

does the non citizen license have the words on it "not valid for voting in the USA"? Are you really going to claim that no illegals voted in california in 2016?

Show a credible claim that illegals were found voting in California

San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint

Do you understand the difference between a non citizen and an illegal?

yes I do. have you told AOC and Pelosi and Gov Newsome?

But having said that, why should we allow non-citizens to vote? legal or illegal, they are not citizens, ameican elections are for americans, not the non citizens who happen to be here.

Should we let visiting Japanese vote in our elections?

We are talking non citizen residents
People who pay taxes, send their kids to schools, depend on city services.

Why shouldn’t they get to vote on those that make those decisions?
Let the local municipality decide

Keep them from voting on any position with national implications

If I move to Italy and become a resident non citizen, can I vote there? Insert any other country for Italy and the answer is the same-------------NO.

Why can't you be honest about this, you dem/libs want this because you think you can buy the non-citizen vote by giving them free stuff that WE paid for. That's all this has ever been about and you damn well know it.