Democrats Never Met A Communist....

[Uncensored2008]

I heard him on GOP hate radio today.

Is any radio not dedicated to praise and worship of Obama "hate," edtheliar?

Should it be a federal crime to speak critically of your beloved ruler and god?

 

[eagle1462010]

Mac was fired because he ordered an attack on the 38th parallel...........aka to push China back and was relieved because of Politics.

How could attacking the 38th parallel push the Chinese back, when they weren't even involved yet? I think you need a review of the history of the war. Mac could have gotten a nuclear SU involved. Who knows what they would have done, if we'd invaded China or used nukes as Mac suggested.

At the end of the War he ordered an attack 20 miles into the 38th Parallel, but was relieved of command for doing so..................

My point was the planned attack against the CHINESE, but Truman fired him before the attack began and the order never took place because Truman was read to negotiate an end to the War instead of WINNING IT..................

And again, Truman had already hosed Mac by not letting him cut the supply lines from China and follow their migs back into their airspace. POLITICS ruled the rules of engagement, and Migs could leave the area after attacking our troops without engagement by our aircraft. As soon as they got over there they said SAFE.........LIKE IT WAS A KID'S GAME OF TAG.

Mac approached the Yalu River in finishing off the North Korean Army, but WASN'T going to cross the Yalu River..........He was taking KOREA, NOT CHINA.......................

Politicians hosed our military then by not allowing the bridges to be blown, following enemy aircraft into China, and not hitting supply lines in China as well..............This is STANDARD MILITARY STRATEGY for these Generals............and Politicians shut it down which is BS.

 

[eagle1462010]

From my post 285

The next day, MacArthur authorized Ridgway to advance up to 20 miles (32 km) north of the 38th Parallel.[107]Truman would later report that "I was ready to kick him into the North China Sea...I was never so put out in my life."[109] Truman felt that MacArthur's communiqué, which had not been cleared in accordance with the December directive, had pre-empted his own proposal. He later wrote:

This was a most extraordinary statement for a military commander of the United Nations to issue on his own responsibility. It was an act totally disregarding all directives to abstain from any declarations on foreign policy. It was in open defiance of my orders as President and as Commander-in-Chief. This was a challenge to the authority of the President under the Constitution. It also flouted the policy of the United Nations. By this act MacArthur left me no choice - I could no longer tolerate his insubordination.[110]

I backed up my HISTORY.........yet I'm told to learn it...............I had already spelled it out in RED backing up my post.

 

[eagle1462010]

It sounds like MacArthur gave Truman a chance for a big war, maybe a WWIII with big casualty figures and very costly but Truman didn't grab the chance so MacArthur was miffed and told the papers, and Truman fired MacArthur.
The question is: was it the wrong war, at the wrong time, with the wrong enemy?
I think it was Kennan that said we should just bide our time, keep communism quarantined and wait for the USSR to collapse.

LOL

When 400,000 Chinese went into Korea we were already at War..............Unless you want the dang political spin of it...............To say we weren't already at War with them is a JOKE.

There are wars and there are wars, some big, some little, some a fight to the finish, some, let's agree to end it. Could the Korean war have been even bigger, you bet and Truman could have pushed it bigger, or China or the USSR.
In a way seems all sides agreed they didn't want a bigger war. Maybe MacArthur was the only one that wanted a bigger war, maybe for a finale? But more importantly for America is how did the American people feel about a bigger war?

Generals like MacArthur fight to Win a WAR ALWAYS...............His men were getting killed by the Chinese so as far as he was concerned he was already at War with the Chinese................His job was to take Korea, not the final imaginary line made by Politicians............the 38th Parallel...................

Truman stripped him of ability to implement proper attacks on their supply lines, and ditched his ability to take out the Chinese migs who were safe whenever they crossed back over..............

China and Russia didn't want an all out War with us............they only wanted to fight in Korea alone..........Their lines should have been cut...................and it wouldn't have turned into another nuclear fight..........even though Truman released possible authority to Mac for their use.....................

Either way, TRUMAN is responsible for the North Korea we have today.

 

[konradv]

MacArthur was reckless in action and words. He had no reason to run his mouth and basically goad the Chinese into war, which he wanted to end with nuclear weapons. Had that happened, IMO, the SU would have retaliated in kind. Sacking him for insubordination was the only thing Truman could do and maintain his credibility as CinC.

 

[sealybobo]

....that they didn't adore.



"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

No where is that more clearly illustrated than in the beliefs and actions of American Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

As this thread will so demonstrate.




1. Communism, a political philosophy born of slaughter, bloodshed, genocide and oppression. Beyond evil, it's failures in economics and governance are well documented. So....who would endeavor to repeat it?
Answer: Liberals/Progressives/Democrats

2. A brief history of it's home-base, mother Russia, includes 9 million killed in the civil war, 1917-1922; Stalin's regime, 1924-1953, over 20 million slaughtered; (Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.
And this is the hallmark of every totalist view, communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....the life of the individual may never be considered, only the collective, the state, the "general will" is paramount.




3. Under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, the United States drew closer, and embraced, the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin. FDR Democrats covered for, ignored, and made excuses for massacres, genocide, government instituted famines and lies of every variety. The same view of communism has persisted 'til this very day among Democrat elites and leaders.

a. When one of the many communist agents in his administration was identified, Alger Hiss, President Roosevelt promoted him.

b. January 25th, 1950 Alger Hiss sentenced for perjury for denying he was a Soviet spy
Dean Acheson, Truman’s Sec’y of State, said: “I do not intend to turn my back on Alger
Hiss.”




4. One would be hard pressed to find any request by Joseph Stalin that did not find a willing response from FDR, from Lend-Lease to the direction of Allied military operations, and refusal to accept the surrender of Germany.

Just maybe, the Kravchenko case might be one time FDR hesitated to fulfill Stalin's commands.....

Roosevelt regularly lied to the American public about Russia having the same values as the United States, and censored any news to the contrary. Victor Kravchenko told the truth about Stalin's Russia.



a. Victor Kravchenko was one of the first and most influential Soviet defectors to the United States, who had written "I Chose Freedom," a searing account of life under Stalin, denouncing the Stalin regime for failure to grant political and civil liberties to the Russian people.
"The Anti-Communist Manifestos: Four Books That Shaped the Cold War," John Fleming, p. 182-183

b. Kravchenko wanted to shatter those illusions. His defection was front-page news and prompted debate at the highest levels of government, up to and including President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Stalin demanded that he be turned over as a traitor--an automatic death sentence.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover urged FDR to let him stay.
On April 13, 1945, the day after Roosevelt died, Kravchenko received notice that his application for asylum had been granted.
Searching for Tato - LA Times



Perhaps Roosevelt was ambivalent about sending Kravchenko back to the tender mercies of Uncle Joe, as Kravchenko was head-line news throughout the nation....and only after Roosevelt's death did Kravchenko receive notice of asylum.


Had Roosevelt lived.....who knows....

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

 

[eagle1462010]

MacArthur was reckless in action and words. He had no reason to run his mouth and basically goad the Chinese into war, which he wanted to end with nuclear weapons. Had that happened, IMO, the SU would have retaliated in kind. Sacking him for insubordination was the only thing Truman could do and maintain his credibility as CinC.

In the same article, the ultimate authority to use Nuclear Weapons comes from the CinC.............Now and back then..........Mac even stated the same...........Mac no authority to use them without the explicit permission of Truman.

The Nuclear issue is a non issue as it couldn't be used without the President's authorization. It changes nothing I have posted so far...........and Truman had already screwed Mac by not allowing him to hit China to prevent supplies from coming to the Chinese troops in Korea.

 

[eagle1462010]

....that they didn't adore.



"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

No where is that more clearly illustrated than in the beliefs and actions of American Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

As this thread will so demonstrate.




1. Communism, a political philosophy born of slaughter, bloodshed, genocide and oppression. Beyond evil, it's failures in economics and governance are well documented. So....who would endeavor to repeat it?
Answer: Liberals/Progressives/Democrats

2. A brief history of it's home-base, mother Russia, includes 9 million killed in the civil war, 1917-1922; Stalin's regime, 1924-1953, over 20 million slaughtered; (Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.
And this is the hallmark of every totalist view, communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....the life of the individual may never be considered, only the collective, the state, the "general will" is paramount.




3. Under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, the United States drew closer, and embraced, the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin. FDR Democrats covered for, ignored, and made excuses for massacres, genocide, government instituted famines and lies of every variety. The same view of communism has persisted 'til this very day among Democrat elites and leaders.

a. When one of the many communist agents in his administration was identified, Alger Hiss, President Roosevelt promoted him.

b. January 25th, 1950 Alger Hiss sentenced for perjury for denying he was a Soviet spy
Dean Acheson, Truman’s Sec’y of State, said: “I do not intend to turn my back on Alger
Hiss.”




4. One would be hard pressed to find any request by Joseph Stalin that did not find a willing response from FDR, from Lend-Lease to the direction of Allied military operations, and refusal to accept the surrender of Germany.

Just maybe, the Kravchenko case might be one time FDR hesitated to fulfill Stalin's commands.....

Roosevelt regularly lied to the American public about Russia having the same values as the United States, and censored any news to the contrary. Victor Kravchenko told the truth about Stalin's Russia.



a. Victor Kravchenko was one of the first and most influential Soviet defectors to the United States, who had written "I Chose Freedom," a searing account of life under Stalin, denouncing the Stalin regime for failure to grant political and civil liberties to the Russian people.
"The Anti-Communist Manifestos: Four Books That Shaped the Cold War," John Fleming, p. 182-183

b. Kravchenko wanted to shatter those illusions. His defection was front-page news and prompted debate at the highest levels of government, up to and including President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Stalin demanded that he be turned over as a traitor--an automatic death sentence.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover urged FDR to let him stay.
On April 13, 1945, the day after Roosevelt died, Kravchenko received notice that his application for asylum had been granted.
Searching for Tato - LA Times



Perhaps Roosevelt was ambivalent about sending Kravchenko back to the tender mercies of Uncle Joe, as Kravchenko was head-line news throughout the nation....and only after Roosevelt's death did Kravchenko receive notice of asylum.


Had Roosevelt lived.....who knows....

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

Since when did the Markets become True Capitalism...........................

The manipulation of Markets is not the creation of REAL PRODUCTS AND GOODS, it is the manipulation via FIAT currency which makes the day. When the Markets actually produce REAL PRODUCTS LET ME KNOW...............

Do they build lumber................a car..................gasoline...............NO THEY DON'T............CAPITALISM WORKS, and COMMUNISM IS BS....................I've already posted the data on the Communist and Socialist like Stalin........their contribution to the world is the SLAUGHTER OF ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE.

 

[sealybobo]

....that they didn't adore.



"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

No where is that more clearly illustrated than in the beliefs and actions of American Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

As this thread will so demonstrate.




1. Communism, a political philosophy born of slaughter, bloodshed, genocide and oppression. Beyond evil, it's failures in economics and governance are well documented. So....who would endeavor to repeat it?
Answer: Liberals/Progressives/Democrats

2. A brief history of it's home-base, mother Russia, includes 9 million killed in the civil war, 1917-1922; Stalin's regime, 1924-1953, over 20 million slaughtered; (Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.
And this is the hallmark of every totalist view, communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....the life of the individual may never be considered, only the collective, the state, the "general will" is paramount.




3. Under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, the United States drew closer, and embraced, the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin. FDR Democrats covered for, ignored, and made excuses for massacres, genocide, government instituted famines and lies of every variety. The same view of communism has persisted 'til this very day among Democrat elites and leaders.

a. When one of the many communist agents in his administration was identified, Alger Hiss, President Roosevelt promoted him.

b. January 25th, 1950 Alger Hiss sentenced for perjury for denying he was a Soviet spy
Dean Acheson, Truman’s Sec’y of State, said: “I do not intend to turn my back on Alger
Hiss.”




4. One would be hard pressed to find any request by Joseph Stalin that did not find a willing response from FDR, from Lend-Lease to the direction of Allied military operations, and refusal to accept the surrender of Germany.

Just maybe, the Kravchenko case might be one time FDR hesitated to fulfill Stalin's commands.....

Roosevelt regularly lied to the American public about Russia having the same values as the United States, and censored any news to the contrary. Victor Kravchenko told the truth about Stalin's Russia.



a. Victor Kravchenko was one of the first and most influential Soviet defectors to the United States, who had written "I Chose Freedom," a searing account of life under Stalin, denouncing the Stalin regime for failure to grant political and civil liberties to the Russian people.
"The Anti-Communist Manifestos: Four Books That Shaped the Cold War," John Fleming, p. 182-183

b. Kravchenko wanted to shatter those illusions. His defection was front-page news and prompted debate at the highest levels of government, up to and including President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Stalin demanded that he be turned over as a traitor--an automatic death sentence.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover urged FDR to let him stay.
On April 13, 1945, the day after Roosevelt died, Kravchenko received notice that his application for asylum had been granted.
Searching for Tato - LA Times



Perhaps Roosevelt was ambivalent about sending Kravchenko back to the tender mercies of Uncle Joe, as Kravchenko was head-line news throughout the nation....and only after Roosevelt's death did Kravchenko receive notice of asylum.


Had Roosevelt lived.....who knows....

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

Since when did the Markets become True Capitalism...........................

The manipulation of Markets is not the creation of REAL PRODUCTS AND GOODS, it is the manipulation via FIAT currency which makes the day. When the Markets actually produce REAL PRODUCTS LET ME KNOW...............

Do they build lumber................a car..................gasoline...............NO THEY DON'T............CAPITALISM WORKS, and COMMUNISM IS BS....................I've already posted the data on the Communist and Socialist like Stalin........their contribution to the world is the SLAUGHTER OF ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE.

Theists have killed more in fact many deaths you claim atheists did were actually done by christians. The Nazis were catholic Germans. And how many blacks and Indians did religious america kill?

 

[sealybobo]

....that they didn't adore.



"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

No where is that more clearly illustrated than in the beliefs and actions of American Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

As this thread will so demonstrate.




1. Communism, a political philosophy born of slaughter, bloodshed, genocide and oppression. Beyond evil, it's failures in economics and governance are well documented. So....who would endeavor to repeat it?
Answer: Liberals/Progressives/Democrats

2. A brief history of it's home-base, mother Russia, includes 9 million killed in the civil war, 1917-1922; Stalin's regime, 1924-1953, over 20 million slaughtered; (Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.
And this is the hallmark of every totalist view, communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....the life of the individual may never be considered, only the collective, the state, the "general will" is paramount.




3. Under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, the United States drew closer, and embraced, the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin. FDR Democrats covered for, ignored, and made excuses for massacres, genocide, government instituted famines and lies of every variety. The same view of communism has persisted 'til this very day among Democrat elites and leaders.

a. When one of the many communist agents in his administration was identified, Alger Hiss, President Roosevelt promoted him.

b. January 25th, 1950 Alger Hiss sentenced for perjury for denying he was a Soviet spy
Dean Acheson, Truman’s Sec’y of State, said: “I do not intend to turn my back on Alger
Hiss.”




4. One would be hard pressed to find any request by Joseph Stalin that did not find a willing response from FDR, from Lend-Lease to the direction of Allied military operations, and refusal to accept the surrender of Germany.

Just maybe, the Kravchenko case might be one time FDR hesitated to fulfill Stalin's commands.....

Roosevelt regularly lied to the American public about Russia having the same values as the United States, and censored any news to the contrary. Victor Kravchenko told the truth about Stalin's Russia.



a. Victor Kravchenko was one of the first and most influential Soviet defectors to the United States, who had written "I Chose Freedom," a searing account of life under Stalin, denouncing the Stalin regime for failure to grant political and civil liberties to the Russian people.
"The Anti-Communist Manifestos: Four Books That Shaped the Cold War," John Fleming, p. 182-183

b. Kravchenko wanted to shatter those illusions. His defection was front-page news and prompted debate at the highest levels of government, up to and including President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Stalin demanded that he be turned over as a traitor--an automatic death sentence.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover urged FDR to let him stay.
On April 13, 1945, the day after Roosevelt died, Kravchenko received notice that his application for asylum had been granted.
Searching for Tato - LA Times



Perhaps Roosevelt was ambivalent about sending Kravchenko back to the tender mercies of Uncle Joe, as Kravchenko was head-line news throughout the nation....and only after Roosevelt's death did Kravchenko receive notice of asylum.


Had Roosevelt lived.....who knows....

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

Since when did the Markets become True Capitalism...........................

The manipulation of Markets is not the creation of REAL PRODUCTS AND GOODS, it is the manipulation via FIAT currency which makes the day. When the Markets actually produce REAL PRODUCTS LET ME KNOW...............

Do they build lumber................a car..................gasoline...............NO THEY DON'T............CAPITALISM WORKS, and COMMUNISM IS BS....................I've already posted the data on the Communist and Socialist like Stalin........their contribution to the world is the SLAUGHTER OF ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE.

Between what years did non fiat capitalism work?

 

[eagle1462010]

....that they didn't adore.



"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

No where is that more clearly illustrated than in the beliefs and actions of American Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

As this thread will so demonstrate.




1. Communism, a political philosophy born of slaughter, bloodshed, genocide and oppression. Beyond evil, it's failures in economics and governance are well documented. So....who would endeavor to repeat it?
Answer: Liberals/Progressives/Democrats

2. A brief history of it's home-base, mother Russia, includes 9 million killed in the civil war, 1917-1922; Stalin's regime, 1924-1953, over 20 million slaughtered; (Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.
And this is the hallmark of every totalist view, communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....the life of the individual may never be considered, only the collective, the state, the "general will" is paramount.




3. Under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, the United States drew closer, and embraced, the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin. FDR Democrats covered for, ignored, and made excuses for massacres, genocide, government instituted famines and lies of every variety. The same view of communism has persisted 'til this very day among Democrat elites and leaders.

a. When one of the many communist agents in his administration was identified, Alger Hiss, President Roosevelt promoted him.

b. January 25th, 1950 Alger Hiss sentenced for perjury for denying he was a Soviet spy
Dean Acheson, Truman’s Sec’y of State, said: “I do not intend to turn my back on Alger
Hiss.”




4. One would be hard pressed to find any request by Joseph Stalin that did not find a willing response from FDR, from Lend-Lease to the direction of Allied military operations, and refusal to accept the surrender of Germany.

Just maybe, the Kravchenko case might be one time FDR hesitated to fulfill Stalin's commands.....

Roosevelt regularly lied to the American public about Russia having the same values as the United States, and censored any news to the contrary. Victor Kravchenko told the truth about Stalin's Russia.



a. Victor Kravchenko was one of the first and most influential Soviet defectors to the United States, who had written "I Chose Freedom," a searing account of life under Stalin, denouncing the Stalin regime for failure to grant political and civil liberties to the Russian people.
"The Anti-Communist Manifestos: Four Books That Shaped the Cold War," John Fleming, p. 182-183

b. Kravchenko wanted to shatter those illusions. His defection was front-page news and prompted debate at the highest levels of government, up to and including President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Stalin demanded that he be turned over as a traitor--an automatic death sentence.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover urged FDR to let him stay.
On April 13, 1945, the day after Roosevelt died, Kravchenko received notice that his application for asylum had been granted.
Searching for Tato - LA Times



Perhaps Roosevelt was ambivalent about sending Kravchenko back to the tender mercies of Uncle Joe, as Kravchenko was head-line news throughout the nation....and only after Roosevelt's death did Kravchenko receive notice of asylum.


Had Roosevelt lived.....who knows....

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

Since when did the Markets become True Capitalism...........................

The manipulation of Markets is not the creation of REAL PRODUCTS AND GOODS, it is the manipulation via FIAT currency which makes the day. When the Markets actually produce REAL PRODUCTS LET ME KNOW...............

Do they build lumber................a car..................gasoline...............NO THEY DON'T............CAPITALISM WORKS, and COMMUNISM IS BS....................I've already posted the data on the Communist and Socialist like Stalin........their contribution to the world is the SLAUGHTER OF ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE.

Theists have killed more in fact many deaths you claim atheists did were actually done by christians. The Nazis were catholic Germans. And how many blacks and Indians did religious america kill?

LOL

That is your response to what Stalin and Mao did as they slaughtered and starved their own people.

Christians did it................LOL

 

[eagle1462010]

....that they didn't adore.



"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

No where is that more clearly illustrated than in the beliefs and actions of American Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

As this thread will so demonstrate.




1. Communism, a political philosophy born of slaughter, bloodshed, genocide and oppression. Beyond evil, it's failures in economics and governance are well documented. So....who would endeavor to repeat it?
Answer: Liberals/Progressives/Democrats

2. A brief history of it's home-base, mother Russia, includes 9 million killed in the civil war, 1917-1922; Stalin's regime, 1924-1953, over 20 million slaughtered; (Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.
And this is the hallmark of every totalist view, communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....the life of the individual may never be considered, only the collective, the state, the "general will" is paramount.




3. Under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, the United States drew closer, and embraced, the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin. FDR Democrats covered for, ignored, and made excuses for massacres, genocide, government instituted famines and lies of every variety. The same view of communism has persisted 'til this very day among Democrat elites and leaders.

a. When one of the many communist agents in his administration was identified, Alger Hiss, President Roosevelt promoted him.

b. January 25th, 1950 Alger Hiss sentenced for perjury for denying he was a Soviet spy
Dean Acheson, Truman’s Sec’y of State, said: “I do not intend to turn my back on Alger
Hiss.”




4. One would be hard pressed to find any request by Joseph Stalin that did not find a willing response from FDR, from Lend-Lease to the direction of Allied military operations, and refusal to accept the surrender of Germany.

Just maybe, the Kravchenko case might be one time FDR hesitated to fulfill Stalin's commands.....

Roosevelt regularly lied to the American public about Russia having the same values as the United States, and censored any news to the contrary. Victor Kravchenko told the truth about Stalin's Russia.



a. Victor Kravchenko was one of the first and most influential Soviet defectors to the United States, who had written "I Chose Freedom," a searing account of life under Stalin, denouncing the Stalin regime for failure to grant political and civil liberties to the Russian people.
"The Anti-Communist Manifestos: Four Books That Shaped the Cold War," John Fleming, p. 182-183

b. Kravchenko wanted to shatter those illusions. His defection was front-page news and prompted debate at the highest levels of government, up to and including President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Stalin demanded that he be turned over as a traitor--an automatic death sentence.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover urged FDR to let him stay.
On April 13, 1945, the day after Roosevelt died, Kravchenko received notice that his application for asylum had been granted.
Searching for Tato - LA Times



Perhaps Roosevelt was ambivalent about sending Kravchenko back to the tender mercies of Uncle Joe, as Kravchenko was head-line news throughout the nation....and only after Roosevelt's death did Kravchenko receive notice of asylum.


Had Roosevelt lived.....who knows....

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

Since when did the Markets become True Capitalism...........................

The manipulation of Markets is not the creation of REAL PRODUCTS AND GOODS, it is the manipulation via FIAT currency which makes the day. When the Markets actually produce REAL PRODUCTS LET ME KNOW...............

Do they build lumber................a car..................gasoline...............NO THEY DON'T............CAPITALISM WORKS, and COMMUNISM IS BS....................I've already posted the data on the Communist and Socialist like Stalin........their contribution to the world is the SLAUGHTER OF ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE.

Between what years did non fiat capitalism work?

Every economy has it ups and down, recessions and booms...........It wasn't until we came off the Gold standard that we started the FIAT trend. After WWII, the world was in ruins............America wasn't and our production of EVERYTHING WENT THROUGH THE ROOF..............As our products were sold all over the world..............
So, for most of it after WWII we had a great economy under CAPITALISM.............

Prehistoric...........barter........no money.......ugh ugh................fish for a deer skin..........5 fish for one skin................and etc................bartering for goods and services without money............IS CAPITALISM..............Money was created to access a value to goods....................because trying to trade a fish for a skin across the country is impossible.......................

CAPITALISM is creating GOODS OR SERVICES that others want and get PAID FOR IT in return.......whether by barter or paper substitute..............and it has worked since the cavemen.

 

[eagle1462010]

I'm not going to turn this into another thread on the markets and fiat currency..........this thread is about COMMUNISM AND IT SUCKS.

 

[sealybobo]

....that they didn't adore.



"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

No where is that more clearly illustrated than in the beliefs and actions of American Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

As this thread will so demonstrate.




1. Communism, a political philosophy born of slaughter, bloodshed, genocide and oppression. Beyond evil, it's failures in economics and governance are well documented. So....who would endeavor to repeat it?
Answer: Liberals/Progressives/Democrats

2. A brief history of it's home-base, mother Russia, includes 9 million killed in the civil war, 1917-1922; Stalin's regime, 1924-1953, over 20 million slaughtered; (Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.
And this is the hallmark of every totalist view, communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....the life of the individual may never be considered, only the collective, the state, the "general will" is paramount.




3. Under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, the United States drew closer, and embraced, the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin. FDR Democrats covered for, ignored, and made excuses for massacres, genocide, government instituted famines and lies of every variety. The same view of communism has persisted 'til this very day among Democrat elites and leaders.

a. When one of the many communist agents in his administration was identified, Alger Hiss, President Roosevelt promoted him.

b. January 25th, 1950 Alger Hiss sentenced for perjury for denying he was a Soviet spy
Dean Acheson, Truman’s Sec’y of State, said: “I do not intend to turn my back on Alger
Hiss.”




4. One would be hard pressed to find any request by Joseph Stalin that did not find a willing response from FDR, from Lend-Lease to the direction of Allied military operations, and refusal to accept the surrender of Germany.

Just maybe, the Kravchenko case might be one time FDR hesitated to fulfill Stalin's commands.....

Roosevelt regularly lied to the American public about Russia having the same values as the United States, and censored any news to the contrary. Victor Kravchenko told the truth about Stalin's Russia.



a. Victor Kravchenko was one of the first and most influential Soviet defectors to the United States, who had written "I Chose Freedom," a searing account of life under Stalin, denouncing the Stalin regime for failure to grant political and civil liberties to the Russian people.
"The Anti-Communist Manifestos: Four Books That Shaped the Cold War," John Fleming, p. 182-183

b. Kravchenko wanted to shatter those illusions. His defection was front-page news and prompted debate at the highest levels of government, up to and including President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Stalin demanded that he be turned over as a traitor--an automatic death sentence.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover urged FDR to let him stay.
On April 13, 1945, the day after Roosevelt died, Kravchenko received notice that his application for asylum had been granted.
Searching for Tato - LA Times



Perhaps Roosevelt was ambivalent about sending Kravchenko back to the tender mercies of Uncle Joe, as Kravchenko was head-line news throughout the nation....and only after Roosevelt's death did Kravchenko receive notice of asylum.


Had Roosevelt lived.....who knows....

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

Since when did the Markets become True Capitalism...........................

The manipulation of Markets is not the creation of REAL PRODUCTS AND GOODS, it is the manipulation via FIAT currency which makes the day. When the Markets actually produce REAL PRODUCTS LET ME KNOW...............

Do they build lumber................a car..................gasoline...............NO THEY DON'T............CAPITALISM WORKS, and COMMUNISM IS BS....................I've already posted the data on the Communist and Socialist like Stalin........their contribution to the world is the SLAUGHTER OF ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE.

Theists have killed more in fact many deaths you claim atheists did were actually done by christians. The Nazis were catholic Germans. And how many blacks and Indians did religious america kill?

LOL

That is your response to what Stalin and Mao did as they slaughtered and starved their own people.

Christians did it................LOL

How many Iraqis did christian bush kill? Christians have lots of blood on their hands.

And Stalin didn't kill in the name of atheism.

Also consider lots of leaders might say they believe but don't really. They only use religion to con the stupid masses. You.

 

[eagle1462010]

....that they didn't adore.



"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
So saith the American philosopher George Santayana.

No where is that more clearly illustrated than in the beliefs and actions of American Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

As this thread will so demonstrate.




1. Communism, a political philosophy born of slaughter, bloodshed, genocide and oppression. Beyond evil, it's failures in economics and governance are well documented. So....who would endeavor to repeat it?
Answer: Liberals/Progressives/Democrats

2. A brief history of it's home-base, mother Russia, includes 9 million killed in the civil war, 1917-1922; Stalin's regime, 1924-1953, over 20 million slaughtered; (Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

Add in the communist spin-offs in China, Cambodia, Cuba, Viet Nam, etc., and the number goes well beyond 100 million mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, lives counted as less important than the victory of communism.
And this is the hallmark of every totalist view, communism, Nazism, socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism.....the life of the individual may never be considered, only the collective, the state, the "general will" is paramount.




3. Under the auspices of Franklin Roosevelt, the United States drew closer, and embraced, the Communist regime of Joseph Stalin. FDR Democrats covered for, ignored, and made excuses for massacres, genocide, government instituted famines and lies of every variety. The same view of communism has persisted 'til this very day among Democrat elites and leaders.

a. When one of the many communist agents in his administration was identified, Alger Hiss, President Roosevelt promoted him.

b. January 25th, 1950 Alger Hiss sentenced for perjury for denying he was a Soviet spy
Dean Acheson, Truman’s Sec’y of State, said: “I do not intend to turn my back on Alger
Hiss.”




4. One would be hard pressed to find any request by Joseph Stalin that did not find a willing response from FDR, from Lend-Lease to the direction of Allied military operations, and refusal to accept the surrender of Germany.

Just maybe, the Kravchenko case might be one time FDR hesitated to fulfill Stalin's commands.....

Roosevelt regularly lied to the American public about Russia having the same values as the United States, and censored any news to the contrary. Victor Kravchenko told the truth about Stalin's Russia.



a. Victor Kravchenko was one of the first and most influential Soviet defectors to the United States, who had written "I Chose Freedom," a searing account of life under Stalin, denouncing the Stalin regime for failure to grant political and civil liberties to the Russian people.
"The Anti-Communist Manifestos: Four Books That Shaped the Cold War," John Fleming, p. 182-183

b. Kravchenko wanted to shatter those illusions. His defection was front-page news and prompted debate at the highest levels of government, up to and including President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Stalin demanded that he be turned over as a traitor--an automatic death sentence.
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover urged FDR to let him stay.
On April 13, 1945, the day after Roosevelt died, Kravchenko received notice that his application for asylum had been granted.
Searching for Tato - LA Times



Perhaps Roosevelt was ambivalent about sending Kravchenko back to the tender mercies of Uncle Joe, as Kravchenko was head-line news throughout the nation....and only after Roosevelt's death did Kravchenko receive notice of asylum.


Had Roosevelt lived.....who knows....

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

Since when did the Markets become True Capitalism...........................

The manipulation of Markets is not the creation of REAL PRODUCTS AND GOODS, it is the manipulation via FIAT currency which makes the day. When the Markets actually produce REAL PRODUCTS LET ME KNOW...............

Do they build lumber................a car..................gasoline...............NO THEY DON'T............CAPITALISM WORKS, and COMMUNISM IS BS....................I've already posted the data on the Communist and Socialist like Stalin........their contribution to the world is the SLAUGHTER OF ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE.

Theists have killed more in fact many deaths you claim atheists did were actually done by christians. The Nazis were catholic Germans. And how many blacks and Indians did religious america kill?

LOL

That is your response to what Stalin and Mao did as they slaughtered and starved their own people.

Christians did it................LOL

How many Iraqis did christian bush kill? Christians have lots of blood on their hands.

And Stalin didn't kill in the name of atheism.

Also consider lots of leaders might say they believe but don't really. They only use religion to con the stupid masses. You.

Whatever................as I didn't specify a religion for Stalin or Mao did I.................You are the one trying to divert the thread into A CHRISTIANS SUCK THREAD...............

Your making shit up not posted, as you twist any thread to your own bs that didn't exist until you showed up.

Now tell me the mass murders of their own's RELIGION................I don't know what religion these Genocidal maniacs believed in...................

 

[edthecynic]

I heard him on GOP hate radio today.

Is any radio not dedicated to praise and worship of Obama "hate," edtheliar?

Should it be a federal crime to speak critically of your beloved ruler and god?

GOP hate radio was spewing hate long before Obama came on the scene, as you well know!!!

 

[sealybobo]

No one wants to be communist stupid. Tell me though how well your unregulated free market capitalism has done in the last 100 years. Barely surviving. At least twice we had to bail our your economic gods who were too big to fail.

Since when did the Markets become True Capitalism...........................

The manipulation of Markets is not the creation of REAL PRODUCTS AND GOODS, it is the manipulation via FIAT currency which makes the day. When the Markets actually produce REAL PRODUCTS LET ME KNOW...............

Do they build lumber................a car..................gasoline...............NO THEY DON'T............CAPITALISM WORKS, and COMMUNISM IS BS....................I've already posted the data on the Communist and Socialist like Stalin........their contribution to the world is the SLAUGHTER OF ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE.

Theists have killed more in fact many deaths you claim atheists did were actually done by christians. The Nazis were catholic Germans. And how many blacks and Indians did religious america kill?

LOL

That is your response to what Stalin and Mao did as they slaughtered and starved their own people.

Christians did it................LOL

How many Iraqis did christian bush kill? Christians have lots of blood on their hands.

And Stalin didn't kill in the name of atheism.

Also consider lots of leaders might say they believe but don't really. They only use religion to con the stupid masses. You.

Whatever................as I didn't specify a religion for Stalin or Mao did I.................You are the one trying to divert the thread into A CHRISTIANS SUCK THREAD...............

Your making shit up not posted, as you twist any thread to your own bs that didn't exist until you showed up.

Now tell me the mass murders of their own's RELIGION................I don't know what religion these Genocidal maniacs believed in...................

Let's get back on topic then. Do you know when the black freedom riders in the civil rights movement tried to ride on a grayhound bus the kkk burned the bus. Besides the N word they called them commies. Are you really pulling the red scare card today?

Were not commies or socialists. We just want our fair share back. Before Bush the rich had 75% of the nations wealth now they have 90. Unregulated free market capitalism did work. Hate to say we told you so.

 

[konradv]

In the same article, the ultimate authority to use Nuclear Weapons comes from the CinC. Now and back then. Mac even stated the same. Mac no authority to use them without the explicit permission of Truman.The Nuclear issue is a non issue as it couldn't be used without the President's authorization. It changes nothing I have posted so far and Truman had already screwed Mac by not allowing him to hit China to prevent supplies from coming to the Chinese troops in Korea.

The bottom line isn't what MacArthur could do, but what the Chinese and Soviets thought he might do, because he ran his mouth and implied he had the means. The bottom line, IMO, is that MacArthur was sacked for insubordination, NOT because he wanted to save the Chinese army. That's totally ludicrous considering the man Truman was, a loyal American.

 

[Yarddog]

They still hate Reagan for calling the USSR an Evil Empire, promising to defeat it and collapsing their empire

Sure, the Dems back then really wanted communism to work, I think they were really dissapointed

 

[konradv]

Do you know when the black freedom riders in the civil rights movement tried to ride on a grayhound bus the kkk burned the bus. Besides the N word they called them commies. Are you really pulling the red scare card today?

It's weird how some on the right still call MLK a commie, while others claim he was really a conservative!!! Which is it?