Dems of the board, was impeachment a good idea?

[bripat9643]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

READ:

Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...Orange man bad... blah blah...

He is a very bad person.... I'm not gonna lie about it, or cover my eyes, and cover my ears, and pretend he's some kind of hero or messiah..... he's not. He's an awful, disgraceful, disgusting, lowlife of a person from head to toe. I don't think anyone can argue otherwise.

Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad... Orange Man Bad...

Why such hate in your heart Care? Were you not supposed to care for ALL?

I don't hate him Norman, call it tough love, being truthful about what is right before my eyes.... saying it, like it is.... if ONLY others would do the same, and standup for what is right vs what is wrong..... he could have been turned to the path of righteousness or simply right, vs this uncontrolled, unbridled, spoiled brat!

You, stand up for what is right?

 

[bripat9643]

From the Russia gate to the Kavanaugh false accusations and then to the shampeachment. What is next?

To those who are not yet participating in an American party, do you believe the impeachment was a good idea? President Trump won again, didn't he?

What is the thought process behind the choices the party is making? Hate is going to defeat president Trump, no good candidates required?

On the assumption that you are capable of a nuanced debate.

Impeachment is the only remedy our system has for a law breaking president. It's a flawed one, since no Senator before Mitt Romney has ever voted to remove a president of his own party.

No, we never thought we could remove Trump, not because most of the REpublicans really thought he was innocent, but because they are too terrified of their own voters. But we did put it on the historical record that he broke the law.

No you didn't, douchebag. There were no actual laws listed in the impeachment articles.

1) no 'actual' laws need to be broken for impeachment.

2) when the framers wrote the constitution - there were no federal crimes 'on the books', so they worded it in such a way that 'breaking the public trust' is a pathway to impeachment.

1) What the hell are you talking about here...Please cite the exact statute in the US Code that Trump broke.

2) What an extraordinary display of ignorance of how the framers of the constitution came up with the document.

there is no exact statute in the US code because there was....no read slowly.....

NO


US


CODES


at the time the constituion was written.

2) how utterly ironic that you actually wrote that.

Origins
Impeachment comes from British constitutional history. The process evolved from the 14th century as a way for parliament to hold the king’s ministers accountable for their public actions. Impeachment, as Alexander Hamilton of New York explained in Federalist 65, varies from civil or criminal courts in that it strictly involves the “misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust.” Individual state constitutions had provided for impeachment for “maladministration” or “corruption” before the U.S. Constitution was written. And the founders, fearing the potential for abuse of executive power, considered impeachment so important that they made it part of the Constitution even before they defined the contours of the presidency.
Impeachment | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

"In fact, ‘high Crimes and Misdemeanors’ is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars."

In his tweet, Amash noted that the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" in the Constitution is relatively fluid, but that it has generally been seen as a breach of the public trust:

"In fact, ‘high Crimes and Misdemeanors’ is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars."

In fact, “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars.

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 20, 2019

PolitiFact - What counts as a high crime or misdemeanor for impeachment? Justin Amash got it right

In other words, he committed no crime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How many times did Obama's businesses file for bankruptcy? Oh that's right, the guy couldn't even run a lemonade stand before being elected into Congress. He was a smooth talker though and it doesn't take much more than that to trick the ignorant folks, which is the Democrats main demographic.

Obama didn't inherit the equivalent of a billion dollars from his father. And he turned around one of the worst economic situations in our history so well that the next president is benefitting from it. He created a record expansion. So your post shows your retardation.

And he turned around one of the worst economic situations in our history

He was so awesome, the recession ended in June 2009. Before anything he did as president could help.

He created a record expansion.

Yes, his expansion had the record for slowest since WWII.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

 

[Faun]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

 

[rightwinger]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

Still no evidence of any corruption

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

Still no evidence of any corruption

We need a Special Counsel.

 

[Faun]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

You said he's corrupt.

I asked you what corruption that is and you can't seen to say.

 

[Faun]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

Still no evidence of any corruption

We need a Special Counsel.

For Impeached Trump?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

You said he's corrupt.

I asked you what corruption that is and you can't seen to say.

Quid Pro Quo.
Selling his office for financial gain.

 

[rightwinger]

Dems knew going in that Republicans would look the other way if Trump shot someone on Fifth Avenue

But they still needed to bring the facts to the American public

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

Still no evidence of any corruption

We need a Special Counsel.

For Impeached Trump?

For Creepy Joe.

 

[Faun]

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

You said he's corrupt.

I asked you what corruption that is and you can't seen to say.

Quid Pro Quo.
Selling his office for financial gain.

Where's the evidence of that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Republicans knew going in that Democrats would look the other way if Clinton raped someone on Fifth Avenue.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

You said he's corrupt.

I asked you what corruption that is and you can't seen to say.

Quid Pro Quo.
Selling his office for financial gain.

Where's the evidence of that?

That's for the Special Counsel to find.

 

[Faun]

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

You said he's corrupt.

I asked you what corruption that is and you can't seen to say.

Quid Pro Quo.
Selling his office for financial gain.

Where's the evidence of that?

That's for the Special Counsel to find.

So you know of no evidence of corruption but you want Biden investigated anyway?

 

[Scamp]

Impeachment was a desperate move for the losers who know they cant win the election. Expect more to come.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

You said he's corrupt.

I asked you what corruption that is and you can't seen to say.

Quid Pro Quo.
Selling his office for financial gain.

Where's the evidence of that?

That's for the Special Counsel to find.

So you know of no evidence of corruption but you want Biden investigated anyway?

If it was good enough for Russian "collusion" it's good enough for Ukrainian bribes.

 

[Faun]

You said he's corrupt.

I asked you what corruption that is and you can't seen to say.

Quid Pro Quo.
Selling his office for financial gain.

Where's the evidence of that?

That's for the Special Counsel to find.

So you know of no evidence of corruption but you want Biden investigated anyway?

If it was good enough for Russian "collusion" it's good enough for Ukrainian bribes.

There was evidence of Russian collusion. There's no evidence of Biden corruption.