Dems of the board, was impeachment a good idea?

[Dragonlady]

From the Russia gate to the Kavanaugh false accusations and then to the shampeachment. What is next?

To those who are not yet participating in an American party, do you believe the impeachment was a good idea? President Trump won again, didn't he?

What is the thought process behind the choices the party is making? Hate is going to defeat president Trump, no good candidates required?

That's up to Trump. If he behaves himself and obeys the law, he won't be impeached again, but if he continues with his criminal behaviour, he will be impeached again.

 

[BluesLegend]

There was an impeachment?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Quid Pro Quo.
Selling his office for financial gain.

Where's the evidence of that?

That's for the Special Counsel to find.

So you know of no evidence of corruption but you want Biden investigated anyway?

If it was good enough for Russian "collusion" it's good enough for Ukrainian bribes.

There was evidence of Russian collusion. There's no evidence of Biden corruption.

There was evidence of Russian collusion.

You mean the conversation in the bar with the ex-diplomat connected to the Clinton Foundation?

There's no evidence of Biden corruption.

Besides the crackhead, stripper impregnator getting paid millions?
Or the creepy Joe tape?

 

[rightwinger]

Impeachment was a desperate move for the losers who know they cant win the election. Expect more to come.

Ignoring the abuses of a president is a desperate attempt by Republicans who know they can’t win in the next election

 

[airplanemechanic]

From the Russia gate to the Kavanaugh false accusations and then to the shampeachment. What is next?

To those who are not yet participating in an American party, do you believe the impeachment was a good idea? President Trump won again, didn't he?

What is the thought process behind the choices the party is making? Hate is going to defeat president Trump, no good candidates required?

Trump didn't win. He got impeached. Democrats have excellent candidates and when its time, you will understand how weak the republican candidate really is.

Son, you can't stop the cops from charging you with a crime. Only in court does it matter. Trump was found not guilty. End of story. Exonerated forever.

 

[playtime]

On the assumption that you are capable of a nuanced debate.

Impeachment is the only remedy our system has for a law breaking president. It's a flawed one, since no Senator before Mitt Romney has ever voted to remove a president of his own party.

No, we never thought we could remove Trump, not because most of the REpublicans really thought he was innocent, but because they are too terrified of their own voters. But we did put it on the historical record that he broke the law.

No you didn't, douchebag. There were no actual laws listed in the impeachment articles.

1) no 'actual' laws need to be broken for impeachment.

2) when the framers wrote the constitution - there were no federal crimes 'on the books', so they worded it in such a way that 'breaking the public trust' is a pathway to impeachment.

1) What the hell are you talking about here...Please cite the exact statute in the US Code that Trump broke.

2) What an extraordinary display of ignorance of how the framers of the constitution came up with the document.

there is no exact statute in the US code because there was....no read slowly.....

NO


US


CODES


at the time the constituion was written.

2) how utterly ironic that you actually wrote that.

Origins
Impeachment comes from British constitutional history. The process evolved from the 14th century as a way for parliament to hold the king’s ministers accountable for their public actions. Impeachment, as Alexander Hamilton of New York explained in Federalist 65, varies from civil or criminal courts in that it strictly involves the “misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust.” Individual state constitutions had provided for impeachment for “maladministration” or “corruption” before the U.S. Constitution was written. And the founders, fearing the potential for abuse of executive power, considered impeachment so important that they made it part of the Constitution even before they defined the contours of the presidency.
Impeachment | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

"In fact, ‘high Crimes and Misdemeanors’ is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars."

In his tweet, Amash noted that the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" in the Constitution is relatively fluid, but that it has generally been seen as a breach of the public trust:

"In fact, ‘high Crimes and Misdemeanors’ is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars."

In fact, “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined in the Constitution and does not require corresponding statutory charges. The context implies conduct that violates the public trust—and that view is echoed by the Framers of the Constitution and early American scholars.

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 20, 2019

PolitiFact - What counts as a high crime or misdemeanor for impeachment? Justin Amash got it right

In other words, he committed no crime.

again - impeachment doesn't require a statutory crime to be impeached.

he was impeached & will forever be tied to andrew johnson & bill clinton.

forever & ever & ever. his 'acquittal' will also be recorded as a sham AND there is no such thing as double jeopardy in politics. even if donny got a 2nd term - he better have the house & senate too cause the second he fucks up - & he WILL fuck up.... he'll be impeached again & the next time he might not have a turtle to hide behind.

 

[playtime]

There was an impeachment?

yep.

side by side by side forever. so it is written, so it shall be done.

 

[Care4all]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

Soviet Union tactics.....?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

Soviet Union tactics.....?

I know, the Special Counsel was Soviet Union tactics.

 

[Faun]

Where's the evidence of that?

That's for the Special Counsel to find.

So you know of no evidence of corruption but you want Biden investigated anyway?

If it was good enough for Russian "collusion" it's good enough for Ukrainian bribes.

There was evidence of Russian collusion. There's no evidence of Biden corruption.

There was evidence of Russian collusion.

You mean the conversation in the bar with the ex-diplomat connected to the Clinton Foundation?

There's no evidence of Biden corruption.

Besides the crackhead, stripper impregnator getting paid millions?
Or the creepy Joe tape?

As far as Russia, it was known they were hacking our election for the benefit of Impeached Trump. We knew that Impeached Trump was lying about his Russian dealings and he surrounded himself by folks with Russian connections. A close friend of his was caught communicating with the Russian hacker. Then he even brazenly encourages the Russian hackers to look for Hillaries emails -- which they tried some hours later. So yeah, there was plenty of evidence of Russian collusion. To his credit, it turns out Impeached Trump was not involved with the Russian hackers

The crackhead, stripper impregnator got paid millions even after his father was VP. Clearly the company found value in him other than his father.

And what Biden said on tape was him bragging about getting a corrupt prosecutor thrown out of office. There's nothing wrong with that either.

 

[tigerred59]

Had we true equal governments of the branches, Trump would be out yesterday. The man is corrupt to the core. The hillbillies of Ky. should be proud.

 

[DBA]

Not that I want that to happen, unless it just effects the inbreds in the red states...

The inbred portion of red states are 90%+ Democrats. Luckily, the educated, well payed folks all vote Republican. You don't seem to understand the demographics.

That's untrue. In fact it's quite the opposite.

You are so wrong. I can promise you the vast majority of the affluent and successful people in my state are overwhelmingly Republican. The vast majority of those below the poverty line and those making very little money, which is what I presume is meant by "inbred" votes for Democrats. This is an indisputable fact.

 

[DBA]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

Still no evidence of any corruption

It hasn't yet been investigated, despite the lies you have been told. Biden will be exposed and it will be hilarious to hear the excuses from the left.

 

[DBA]

1) The trade war has had little affect other than uncertainty on Wall Street. Inflation remain very low. The big trade wars are coming to a close and the US wins out in the end.
2) Dodd-Frank has been modifed, not repealed.

Again, only a matter of time before we have a crash because Wall Street is bullshitting investors.

Exactly what Dodd-Frank was meant to prevent.

Money is not the issue with public education, the DoE and its liberal leadership is. More school choice, which the Democrats hate as well as tax credits for those choosing to send their kids to private schools, which are not only more efficient by a large margin, but do a better job of educating our children, would be a good start.

Bullshit.

Places that have tried "School Choice" got no better results than public education. As a product of Catholic Education, I can tell you exactly why.

When your parents are paying tuition, they are committed. When you are getting a voucher, not so much.

For profit companies paying non-union teachers who don't give a fuck and find something else to do in a year or two isn't going to improve anything.

Wrong on every level. You have an elementary understanding of both economics and the education system, which is why you are a Democrat.

 

[DBA]

I am not the one confused. And every study shows that the trump supporter is low educated and misinformed.

Every study shows Republicans are more informed voters than Democrats. Not sure what stuff you are reading.

 

[SAYIT]

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

LOL

What corruption??

There is no corruption?
Excellent.
We should definitely investigate.
What's he afraid of?

Soviet Union tactics.....?

I know, the Special Counsel was Soviet Union tactics.

The impeachment was certainly a KGB-style witch-hunt replete with secret cellar hearings.

 

[DBA]

The facts show that he's lived off his daddy's money.

You may want to re-check your sources. The amount he inherited is nowhere near his current net worth. Maybe math is not your best subject.

His steps have not made the economy thrive. We would be here if not better under Hillary. It is the ignorant who keep giving trump credit for this economy.

LOL...I've got news for you. More regulations, forcing a move to green and raising taxes would have destroyed our economy. For some reason, the MSM has tricked you lemmings into believing anything. You will see if one of the wackdoos on the left gets elected just how fast it falls. They will tell you it was all Trump and you nuts will fall right in line.

You are are useful idiot.

 

[SAYIT]

There was not much of a choice.... they were left with no choice when the DOJ refused to investigate the complaints of staffers who reported the CHEATING, and lawlessness.....

Trump was always going to get off, for his high crimes.... but History, facts, what was done by him, needed to be recorded..... And it was.....

Correction: Trump has committed no crime. The democrat tactic of trying to get someone removed for not committing a crime is a other brilliant one.

Of course he committed crimes...

Article I

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage.​

That violates §30121

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value

Article II

Directing other Executive Branch agencies and offices to defy lawful subpoenas and withhold the production of documents and records from the Committees Directing current and former Executive Branch officials not to cooperate with the Committees​

That violates 18 U.S. Code § 1505

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress

President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.

Exactly! Biden's corruption must not be exposed.

Biden's corruption must remain hidden, always.

Still no evidence of any corruption

It hasn't yet been investigated, despite the lies you have been told. Biden will be exposed and it will be hilarious to hear the excuses from the left.

Slo-Joe's campaign has a terminal case of BurismaVirus.

 

[SAYIT]

1) The trade war has had little affect other than uncertainty on Wall Street. Inflation remain very low. The big trade wars are coming to a close and the US wins out in the end.
2) Dodd-Frank has been modifed, not repealed.

Again, only a matter of time before we have a crash because Wall Street is bullshitting investors.

Exactly what Dodd-Frank was meant to prevent.

Money is not the issue with public education, the DoE and its liberal leadership is. More school choice, which the Democrats hate as well as tax credits for those choosing to send their kids to private schools, which are not only more efficient by a large margin, but do a better job of educating our children, would be a good start.

Bullshit.

Places that have tried "School Choice" got no better results than public education. As a product of Catholic Education, I can tell you exactly why.

When your parents are paying tuition, they are committed. When you are getting a voucher, not so much.

For profit companies paying non-union teachers who don't give a fuck and find something else to do in a year or two isn't going to improve anything.

Wrong on every level. You have an elementary understanding of both economics and the education system, which is why you are a Democrat.

Even educated Dems suffer from ideologically-induced mental & emotional incapacitation.

Large square pegs, small round holes.

 

[skookerasbil]

LOL.......look at the level of rage and misery from the DUMS posting on this thread! All ya have to know........ These folks are angry and miserable before their feet even hit the floor in the morning.