Dems...why should your health and care be my concern?

Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone

I don't say you need to get a job and pay your own damn bills because I don't care about you, it's because I do. I want you to be a man. Do you feel better about paying your own damned bills now because I care? No huh, you actually just wanted the money, didn't you? Be honest

Typical Conservative view about healthcare


I got mine, FUK the rest of you

Typical leftist view about healthcare

You got money, I want it, get out the guns!

I like how you described your advocacy of armed robbery to pay for your healthcare as "we" making choices about "our" money ...

The leftist view. What's mine is mine and what's yours is ours, ay big guy?
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
Wanna bet?
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Insurance industry profits grew, in some case quite radically, under ACA. Might wanna put that argument on the backburner.

I would agree that mandating private insurance would open the door for even more profiteering by insurance companies. Which is why I would prefer public health care instead.
Which would open the door, wider, for even more profiteering by insurance companies.

No, public health care would compete with private insurance companies and cause them to cut their charges drastically, in order to compete.

No, they'd just spend the bulk of their efforts lobbying Congress to ensure their profits. The bigger companies prefer this, because, if you have lots of connections, that's easier than persuading consumers to buy your product.

Works well in all other countries.
Well, as you may have noticed during the last year, we're not like "other countries".
 
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Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.
it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.

Back to reality, military is under 1/6 of the Federal budget
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone

Why can’t I “CARE” yet not be willing to pay for your bad decisions in life?
any one person speeding while driving puts their health and others at risk. anyone who drinks and then drives puts one health and others at risk. Any one person texting and driving puts their health and others at risk. most every demofk most likely does one of these three things daily. Fking daily, fk, even multiple times daily. And demofks tell me to care and wear a mask that if anyone's been paying attention hasn't stopped the number of positive china flu positives. More evidence masks are useless.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone

I don't say you need to get a job and pay your own damn bills because I don't care about you, it's because I do. I want you to be a man. Do you feel better about paying your own damned bills now because I care? No huh, you actually just wanted the money, didn't you? Be honest

Typical Conservative view about healthcare


I got mine, FUK the rest of you

Typical leftist view about healthcare

You got money, I want it, get out the guns!

I like how you described your advocacy of armed robbery to pay for your healthcare as "we" making choices about "our" money ...

The leftist view. What's mine is mine and what's yours is ours, ay big guy?
In the leftist totalitarian mind, all the wealth in the nation belongs to the government and it's the role of an elite group to distribute it according to NEED.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
Wanna bet?
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Insurance industry profits grew, in some case quite radically, under ACA. Might wanna put that argument on the backburner.

I would agree that mandating private insurance would open the door for even more profiteering by insurance companies. Which is why I would prefer public health care instead.
Which would open the door, wider, for even more profiteering by insurance companies.

No, public health care would compete with private insurance companies and cause them to cut their charges drastically, in order to compete. Works well in all other countries.

That's just stupid. Government can tax whatever it wants and charge whatever it wants and just bill taxpayers for the rest. To call that to "compete" is just Marxist delusional rhetoric
 
Marxists rely on the fact that a population is easily controlled if it is defenseless and all are equally miserable. You will have nothing.... but neither will your neighbors. Your healthcare will be considered substandard by voodoo witchdoctors in sub-saharan africa.... but it won't cost you a penny.

Pick a side.
Right wingers have no better solutions at lower cost; all they do is complain about left wing solutions.
Your fucking solutions have only made things worse for the middle classes

Not really.
I do not like ACA, but it has made a slight improvement for the middle class.
Premiums are more uniform, more easy to compare, no worries over pre-existing, and slightly lower.

Premiums are only lower when you get government money to help pay for them. They are unaffordable to people who don't qualify for getting Obamacare with the welfare provision

Not sure I believe that.
Insurance rates were increasing by about 15% annually, and were unaffordable before ACA.
I think ACA actually lowered them slightly, and the only increase came from those who did not buy insurance at all before, but now have to because of the penalty.
you can think that all you want,,,

but its a fact my ins went up after the ACA not down,,,

It did for all of us other than people who got ACA funded by taxpayers. AKA welfare
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone

I don't say you need to get a job and pay your own damn bills because I don't care about you, it's because I do. I want you to be a man. Do you feel better about paying your own damned bills now because I care? No huh, you actually just wanted the money, didn't you? Be honest

Typical Conservative view about healthcare


I got mine, FUK the rest of you

Typical leftist view about healthcare

You got money, I want it, get out the guns!

I like how you described your advocacy of armed robbery to pay for your healthcare as "we" making choices about "our" money ...

The leftist view. What's mine is mine and what's yours is ours, ay big guy?
In the leftist totalitarian mind, all the wealth in the nation belongs to the government and it's the role of an elite group to distribute it according to NEED.

BINGO
 
Marxists rely on the fact that a population is easily controlled if it is defenseless and all are equally miserable. You will have nothing.... but neither will your neighbors. Your healthcare will be considered substandard by voodoo witchdoctors in sub-saharan africa.... but it won't cost you a penny.

Pick a side.
Right wingers have no better solutions at lower cost; all they do is complain about left wing solutions.
Your fucking solutions have only made things worse for the middle classes

Not really.
I do not like ACA, but it has made a slight improvement for the middle class.
Premiums are more uniform, more easy to compare, no worries over pre-existing, and slightly lower.

Premiums are only lower when you get government money to help pay for them. They are unaffordable to people who don't qualify for getting Obamacare with the welfare provision

Not sure I believe that.
Insurance rates were increasing by about 15% annually, and were unaffordable before ACA.
I think ACA actually lowered them slightly, and the only increase came from those who did not buy insurance at all before, but now have to because of the penalty.
you can think that all you want,,,

but its a fact my ins went up after the ACA not down,,,

But health insurance was going up about 15% a year before ACA, so how could you tell?

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Government regulations were driving up insurance costs and you think that's an argument for government to just take over the medical industry. Of course you do, Karl
 
the entire existing condition thing is all made up. it's fking fake.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.
it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.
that might be because the constitution requires a military and forbids social programs,,,

It does nothing of the kind.

It talks about “Defense”
Fighting repeated wars at far ends of the world is not defense

So leave the Democrat party who advocate and execute those endless wars and join the Libertarian party who don't.

This stupid shit that you're different than Republicans with all the endless wars is the liar that you are as proven by Obama and Clinton who were total war hawks to your utter silence
 
Hey rightwinger Rigby5 how likely is it that those begging the loudest for free healthcare are unemployed, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, smoking weed, drinking booze, doing meth, driving drunk, having the most children...etc etc
I’m sure they represent a very small fraction....right?
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Again, premiums are only lower when there's a welfare government benefit included. They are expensive and unusable because of the high deductibles for most people.

It totally fucked me. I had a policy that I loved. It was high deductible and cheap for family coverage. Under Obamacare the premiums skyrocketed then they cancelled it completely.

BTW, insurance company profits aren't yours, you are advocating armed robbery

We're extremely in my husband's position and benefits package covers our family with excellent health coverage at no charge to us. Not the same for associates, before ACA the firm covered them like it does us, now they pay a percentage of costs.

I doubt they support government involvement


Yep. I was a business owner through the creation of Obamacare. After Obamacare I kept paying the same amount of medical for my employees, but I refused to pay the increasing amounts and passed the higher costs onto them. I couldn't afford just to absorb it and there was no reason I should have had to
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.
it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.
that might be because the constitution requires a military and forbids social programs,,,

The constitution intended for there to be no standing military and instead rely on state militias when attacked.

{...
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
...}

Promoting general welfare could include social programs like health care.
promoting isnt [providing at the loss of another person,,,

thats called tyranny by theft,,,

Providing universal health care you are calling "tyranny by theft"?
How come the whole rest of the world does it?
 
Marxists rely on the fact that a population is easily controlled if it is defenseless and all are equally miserable. You will have nothing.... but neither will your neighbors. Your healthcare will be considered substandard by voodoo witchdoctors in sub-saharan africa.... but it won't cost you a penny.

Pick a side.
Right wingers have no better solutions at lower cost; all they do is complain about left wing solutions.
Your fucking solutions have only made things worse for the middle classes

Not really.
I do not like ACA, but it has made a slight improvement for the middle class.
Premiums are more uniform, more easy to compare, no worries over pre-existing, and slightly lower.

Premiums are only lower when you get government money to help pay for them. They are unaffordable to people who don't qualify for getting Obamacare with the welfare provision

Not sure I believe that.
Insurance rates were increasing by about 15% annually, and were unaffordable before ACA.
I think ACA actually lowered them slightly, and the only increase came from those who did not buy insurance at all before, but now have to because of the penalty.

Well, since I operated my own businesses back then, I was writing the full check for my insurance and I know what it cost. Before Obamacare, I paid just under $400 a month for family high deductible coverage. In just 3-4 years under Obamacare it doubled, then they cancelled it completely and similar Obamacare policies were $1,000 a month and up because the taxpayers weren't paying any of my policy

All insurance doubled in about 4 years.
ACA had nothing to do with that.
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.
it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.
that might be because the constitution requires a military and forbids social programs,,,

The constitution intended for there to be no standing military and instead rely on state militias when attacked.

{...
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
...}

Promoting general welfare could include social programs like health care.
promoting isnt [providing at the loss of another person,,,

thats called tyranny by theft,,,

Providing universal health care you are calling "tyranny by theft"?
How come the whole rest of the world does it?
because they are socialist shitholes and have no respect for personal freedom,,,

not to mention they have much higher tax rates,,,
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.
it charges me more in taxs,,,

Most of our taxes go to military spending, and so little goes to social programs, that this is not a good argument.
If you want to reduce taxes, then get us out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Persian Gulf, the Mediterranean, etc.
that might be because the constitution requires a military and forbids social programs,,,

The constitution intended for there to be no standing military and instead rely on state militias when attacked.

{...
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of ...
...}

Promoting general welfare could include social programs like health care.

Promoting the "general welfare" was not a power of government, it was an explanation of government powers.

The idea you're pumping that the founders bothered writing a Constitution then gave the government the power to do whatever the fuck it wants is as stupid as it sounds. Why bother writing the Constitution at all then?
 
Why?

Because Great Countries care about the well being of everyone
Which great countries are those?

Most of the free world recognize healthcare as a basic human right

False. You have no legitimate right to stick your filthy, greedy hands into someone else's pocket.

There is no "human right" to confiscate the property of others, the only legitimate rights are your rights over your own life, liberty and property


No one can complain, because ACA does not cost anyone any more.
That is because ACA subsidizes the poor only by cutting insurance company profits, not by charging anyone more.

Again, premiums are only lower when there's a welfare government benefit included. They are expensive and unusable because of the high deductibles for most people.

It totally fucked me. I had a policy that I loved. It was high deductible and cheap for family coverage. Under Obamacare the premiums skyrocketed then they cancelled it completely.

BTW, insurance company profits aren't yours, you are advocating armed robbery

The high costs of insurance is not because of ACA but due to the insurance companies high profits.
High deductibles are good.
If you want lower health costs, then we have to get the insurance companies out of it, because they are the one stealing all the profits.

The higher costs are because of the increased Obamacare regulations and shifting costs onto younger, healthier people. You don't know what you're talking about
 
Yep. I was a business owner through the creation of Obamacare. After Obamacare I kept paying the same amount of medical for my employees, but I refused to pay the increasing amounts and passed the higher costs onto them. I couldn't afford just to absorb it and there was no reason I should have had to
BTW, pre existing conditions through health insurance companies worked the same way. Anyone with a pre-existing condition paid a higher policy. They were not rejected, that implication and statement was totally fking wrong. And, the only policy up tick was for the first year of the policy. I know, my wife was a child diabetic.
 

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