Denver baker sued for refusing to write anti-gay slogans on cake

[ABikerSailor]

This baker did nothing wrong. They agreed to make a blank Bible cake, and even offered to provide the customer with a frosting bag and frosting so that he could write his own message on the cake.

Forcing the baker to write something on the cake that the baker didn't think was appropriate is actually a violation of the baker's free speech, because the customer is trying to force the baker to say something that the baker didn't believe.

I hope the baker wins the case and the customer gets sued.

So you would feel the same if a baker refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple?

If the gay couple wanted to put hate speech on their cake, yeah.......I'd support the baker on that one.

HOWEVER.............the baker DID offer to make a Bible shaped cake for the man, and even offered to provide him with frosting and a pastry bag so that he could write those things himself if he still wanted the cake.

The baker didn't refuse the man a cake, they just refused to write hate speech they disagreed with. I don't see this as discrimination, I see this as more of a free speech issue. The baker doesn't have to write things they don't believe in.

And yeah.............if a gay couple wanted a wedding cake that said something like "breeders are unfit for marriage", I'd have an issue with that as well.

 

[SwimExpert]

If the gay couple wanted to put hate speech on their cake, yeah.......I'd support the baker on that one.

Now you're changing your criteria. Previously, you complained that it would force the baker to violate their beliefs. So which is it?

 

[ABikerSailor]

If the gay couple wanted to put hate speech on their cake, yeah.......I'd support the baker on that one.

Now you're changing your criteria. Previously, you complained that it would force the baker to violate their beliefs. So which is it?

The baker doesn't believe in hate speech, and the baker DID NOT refuse to bake a cake, they objected to the hate speech the person wanted put on it. And, they also offered frosting and a pastry bag so the person could put it on the cake themselves.

What if instead of anti gay slogans, it was a KKK member who wanted a cake with a black man being hung, surrounded by KKK members and it says on the cake "kill all the darkies"?

Nope.........you can't force someone to say things they don't believe in.

 

[JakeStarkey]

One was defending his religious beliefs, the latests is a parody of the earlier action and will be thrown by the court.

 

[SwimExpert]

If the gay couple wanted to put hate speech on their cake, yeah.......I'd support the baker on that one.

Now you're changing your criteria. Previously, you complained that it would force the baker to violate their beliefs. So which is it?

The baker doesn't believe in hate speech, and the baker DID NOT refuse to bake a cake, they objected to the hate speech the person wanted put on it. And, they also offered frosting and a pastry bag so the person could put it on the cake themselves.

What if instead of anti gay slogans, it was a KKK member who wanted a cake with a black man being hung, surrounded by KKK members and it says on the cake "kill all the darkies"?

Nope.........you can't force someone to say things they don't believe in.

So if you can't force someone to go against their beliefs, then you can't force someone to accommodate a gay couple if it violates their beliefs.

 

[Synthaholic]

If the gay couple wanted to put hate speech on their cake, yeah.......I'd support the baker on that one.

Now you're changing your criteria. Previously, you complained that it would force the baker to violate their beliefs. So which is it?

You're a retard - remember?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Someone should put Leviticus 20:13 on the sidewalk outside the bakery.

 

[Seawytch]

Someone should put Leviticus 20:13 on the sidewalk outside the bakery.

Oh look at you cherry picking. (Try reading ALL of Leviticus and who you're supposed to be punishing)

These "Christians" would be a lot more believable when they start refusing to bake cakes for single mothers, divorcees, fat people, etc.


Sadly enough, an acquaintance called the school this morning and told them she had been through a divorce because she cheated and that she now lives with her three kids and her boyfriend. The administrator welcomed them with open arms and offered an appointment.

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[Noomi]

He's just a hateful fundie fake christian.

"He is a founder of Worldview Academy, which is a "non-denominational organization dedicated to helping Christians think and live in accord with a Biblical worldview," according to the organization's website."

Guy sounds like a lunatic.

 

[Politico]

I just wrote 'I hate gay people' on a cake last night. I'll let you know if I get sued tomorrow.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Someone should put Leviticus 20:13 on the sidewalk outside the bakery.

Why?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Actually we believe that your kind is the cause of that. Evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

I wonder if you can actually feed yourself, I don't hate anyone. Liberals cannot say that.

So you want to claim you don't hate anyone, but you just hate to see certain types of people have equal rights.

Yes, that's so much nicer...

Who said I hate, I disagree there is a difference. I was wanting to compromise, but you couldn't have that.

No you weren't. Besides, why do we have to 'compromise' when it comes to gay rights?

Are you willing to 'compromise' your own rights?

The Supreme Court has already compromised our rights, so it's not like we have a choice.

I thought God gave you your rights, not the Government.

Maybe you should get God to prove he did in fact give you your rights.

 

[NYcarbineer]

According to Ms. Silva, Jack pulled out a piece of paper with the phrase “God hates gays” and anti-gay passages he said were from the Bible. Silva also said that Jack wanted her to draw two men holding hands with an “X” crossing them out.

"After I read it, I was like 'No way.' " Silva told USA Today. " ‘We're not doing this. This is just very discriminatory and hateful.’ ”

Instead, Silva said she told Jack that she would make a cake with a blank Bible page so that he could draw the messages himself. She even claims she offered him frosting and a pastry bag to do so.

“I told him, ‘I’ll make you a cake any flavor and shape that you like and then I’ll give you the icing and you can write the message yourself,’” Silva told the Daily News.

But according to Silva’s account, Jack became “very pushy and disruptive,” refused to write the message himself, and said he needed to talk to an attorney.

Sounds like its the baker who has a case, possibly for assault.

IF a baker has to make a wedding cake with two homos on it, then he should also have to make the cake requested above. The law has taken away the baker's right to draw the line on what he can put on a cake.

No- you just don't understand the law.

I understand that the law and the liberal judges who interpret it are fucked. They will dream up some utterly hypocritical rational for ruling one way in one case and the opposite way in another case. That's why libturd judges do.

Obviously any judge you disagree with becomes a 'libturd' judge.

Like I said- you just don't understand the law.

Isn't it fascinating how conservatives think that the Constitution was a custom designed document to perfectly coincide with and advance every article of the conservative agenda?

 

[jknowgood]

Let us see if liberals extend their tolerance to people they don't agree with.

Let's not forget here that RWnut consensus was to be intolerant of the gay couple who wanted the wedding cake...

...now you want to be tolerant of the anti-gay guy...

...which makes you effectively wrong on both counts.

No actually we just want you to be consistent with your outrage.

 

[Valerie]

this has become the Homophobes last desperate stand.

We will fight them in the bakeries, we will fight them in the photography studios...

setting up twisted legal precedents hoping to cry victim some day...

imagine that. it's all the haters have left. damn shame, and what a waste...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Would I attend a same-sex "wedding"?

Dunno.

If they were serving a friggin' carrot wedding cake, probably not.

What if they were serving banana bread? Or sausage sandwiches, or foot long hotdogs, or a cucumber salad?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let us see if liberals extend their tolerance to people they don't agree with.

Let's not forget here that RWnut consensus was to be intolerant of the gay couple who wanted the wedding cake...

...now you want to be tolerant of the anti-gay guy...

...which makes you effectively wrong on both counts.

No actually we just want you to be consistent with your outrage.

I detailed the legal consistency of my stances, and no one has rebutted them.

 

[jknowgood]

I don't hate gay people. I think the idea of it is sick, but what people do in their lives is their business. Lately though they want it to be my business. I was for civil unions for gays, give them every right heterosexuals get when they are married. Not good enough, they want to be married. Which is supposed to be between a man and woman under God. I'm tired of it being shoved in my face, that's it. Gays have redefined marriage, now we are fixing to have a blood related father and daughter getting married and they plan to have kids. So congratulations! Liberals are making our society a cess pool.

Actually we believe that your kind is the cause of that. Evil, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

I wonder if you can actually feed yourself, I don't hate anyone. Liberals cannot say that.

So you want to claim you don't hate anyone, but you just hate to see certain types of people have equal rights.

Yes, that's so much nicer...

Who said I hate, I disagree there is a difference. I was wanting to compromise, but you couldn't have that.

No you weren't. Besides, why do we have to 'compromise' when it comes to gay rights?

Are you willing to 'compromise' your own rights?

Well I was forced to, so now we will have kids with blood parents in society as normal. Thanks to liberals.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The law goes both ways, Luddly. If a person wants to degrade his religion that way, the baker may be in a PA bind.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Bake the damn cake!

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Freedom of speech doesn't mean I have to transmit your hate speech.

You have the right to say what you want, I don't have to give you air time or cake time.

Yet it is discrimination if a baker doesn't want to place two groom statues in top if a cake he bakes. It doesn't matter what you think. It's a double standard. The customer has a right to the cake he wants.