Denver Museum ends gun free zone status, allows concealed carry....

[BULLDOG]

Don't be ridiculous. I and many others have had this discussion with you several times. Senseless to do it again. You chose to ignore facts anyway. Universal background checks will save lives and better than 90% of the country agrees with that. It's no longer a matter of making a logical decision, because that has been done. It's a matter of breaking the NRA death grip on the republican representatives. It's as inevitable a legalized gay marriage and healthcare was, and even though you can delay it for a while longer, you can't stop it

People will kill each other with baseball bats, poision, bombs, knives, or whetever. If I had faith background checks would stop a murderer form going to the bad part of town, and buying a gun, I might support even stricter firearms selling practices, but.....

Your constant claim that background checks will not reduce the number of armed bad guys just doesn't make sense. Do background checks for dealers work at all? Do you think we should continue them?

Do you understand the concept of the straw purchase....criminals get their guns from people who can pass background checks....or they steal them. They easily avoid background checks.

Mass shooters pass background checks....the Santa Barbara shooter passed 3 background checks, one for each gun he had.......

I am willing to keep background checks at gun dealers and gun shows but not for private sales....that goes too far and does nothing but target law abiding gun owners.....

I have posted the real intent behind universal background checks which is first to get registration of guns, and second to create felony traps for law abiding gun owners and lastly to inhibit using guns by law abiding gun owners who want to lend guns to friends or take gun safety classes...all of which will become more limited with universal background checks as intended by bloomberg and Everytown for Gun Safety and his other gun banning groups.

The real intent of background checks is to do checks on the background of people purchasing guns. Anything else you might think is just more crazy conspiracy stuff. You can't justify checks for dealers but not others.

I just told you that criminals do not get background checks. Mass shooters actually get background checks. Nothing you say about background checks actually stops criminals or mass shooters from getting guns. How hard is that to comprehend?

Criminals use straw purchasers...people who can actually pass background checks since criminals can't. They also steal their guns.

Mass shooters go through all the background checks you guys want....because they can pass them...or they too steal their guns.

Background checks do nothing but make it harder for law abiding people to get guns.

I know. You say the same dumb shit over and over. Still doesn't make it true.

 

[2aguy]

You didn't explain how that works...you just say it like it is the truth.......

Criminals steal their guns...they don't go through a background check for that...guns are not limited by that.

Criminals get relatives and other people with clean backgrounds to buy their guns for them....they bypass background checks that way...guns are not limited by that.

Mass shooters....pass background checks because they have committed no crime or they too steal their guns....guns are not limited by that.

Other than a mantra....repeated over and over again, or like a magical chant, "Background checks...ommmm....Background checks...ommmmmm...." Could one of you gun grabbers please explain how background checks keep criminals and mass shooters from getting guns?

Don't be ridiculous. I and many others have had this discussion with you several times. Senseless to do it again. You chose to ignore facts anyway. Universal background checks will save lives and better than 90% of the country agrees with that. It's no longer a matter of making a logical decision, because that has been done. It's a matter of breaking the NRA death grip on the republican representatives. It's as inevitable a legalized gay marriage and healthcare was, and even though you can delay it for a while longer, you can't stop it

Yes...again with the mantra...."Background checks....background checks...." Background checks...how again do they stop criminals and mass shooters...

You again have failed to explain it and have fallen back on saying you have......and since 90% of those who say they support background checks don't know what the anti gunners actually mean, that stat is pointlesss......

Please...explain why background checks, which criminals do not undergo and mass shooters pass, will stop any killer from getting a gun?

We have been waiting.....

Right. By your own claim, only 10% believe as you do. The country has decided, and it's just a matter of time before laws reflect that. You already lost, and you just can't accept that yet.

The people who agree do not follow the issue. They are ignorant of the real goals of the people pushing universal background checks, and those have nothing to do with stopping criminals or mass shooters. If you told them the real goals then the polls would not be for universal background checks.

Right. You're like the mother watching her kid in a parade. "Look, my kid is the only one in step" You and the few "true believers" who fall for that conspiracy theory really are out of step, and you just don't want to admit it.

Gun registration is the only way universal background checks work.

And as to why they want universal background checks....Mayor Bloomberg and Everytown for Gun Safety are not hiding what they want.....they say it...

How Everytown’s background check law impedes firearms safety training and self-defense

However, the Bloomberg laws create a very different definition. For example, the Washington state law says that “ ‘Transfer’ means the intended delivery of a firearm to another person without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans.” Rev. Code Wash. § 9.41.010(25).

In other words, it applies to sharing a gun while target shooting on one’s own property, or to lending a gun to a neighbor for a weekend hunting trip.

Under the Bloomberg system, transfers may take place only at a gun store. The transfer must be conducted exactly as if the retailer were selling a firearm out of her inventory. So the transferee (the neighbor borrowing the hunting gun) must fill out ATF Form 4473; the retailer must contact the FBI or its state counterpart for a background check on the transferee; and then, the retailer must take custody of the gun and record the acquisition in her Acquisition and Disposition book. Finally, the retailer hands the gun to the transferee and records the disposition in her Acquisition and Disposition book. A few days later, after the hunting trip is over, the process must be repeated for the neighbor to return the gun to the owner; this time, the owner will be the “transferee,” who will fill out Form 4473 and undergo the background check.
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Safety training

Sensible firearms policy should encourage, not impede, safety instruction. The Bloomberg laws do just the opposite. They do so by making ordinary safety training impossible unless it takes place at a corporate target range. (The federal S. 374 allows transfers “at a shooting range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms.”)

A target range is usually necessary for the component of some safety courses that includes “live fire” — in which students fire guns at a range under the supervision of an instructor. However, even the courses that have live fire also have an extensive classroom component. Some introductory courses are classroom-only. In the classroom, dozens of firearms transfers will take place. Many students may not yet own a firearm; even if a student does own a firearm, many instructors choose to allow only their own personal firearms in the classroom, as the instructor may want to teach particular facts about particular types of firearms. The instructor also wants to use firearms that he or she is certain are in good working order. In any classroom setting, functional ammunition is absolutely forbidden.
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The next article in the series...private sharing on private property, with a link to long term storage article...

Sharing firearms for informal target shooting: Another legitimate activity outlawed by Everytown’s ‘universal background checks’

Here are two things that a person might do with a firearm: 1. Sell the firearm to a complete stranger in a parking lot. 2. Share the firearm with a friend, while target shooting on one’s own property. Michael Bloomberg’s “Everytown” lobby is promoting “universal background checks” as a means of addressing activity No. 1.

But the Bloomberg laws also outlaw activity No. 2. In a previous post, I detailed how the unusual Bloomberg laws about “background checks” for “private sales”

constrict safety training and self-defense; and also obstruct safe storage. This post addresses another non-sales activity, firearms sharing.
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How background checks affect long term storage when owner is away and wants to leave guns with friends...
Safe storage of firearms: The harms from Bloomberg’s strange background check system


Although the Bloomberg system is promoted as addressing private sales of firearms, the Bloomberg laws as written apply to all firearms loans — whether for a few seconds or a few weeks. There are some limited exceptions (e.g., certain family members, or at a corporate target range). But these exceptions do not apply to safe storage situations.

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period, such as a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a family going on a long vacation, or someone evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted friend or neighbor for months or years. Under the Bloomberg system, for the friend or neighbor to store the firearms, the following procedures must be followed:

The owner and the bailee must find a gun store that is willing to process the loan. The store must treat the loan as if it were selling a firearm out of its inventory. Under the threat of a five-year federal prison sentence for perjury, the bailee and gun store must answer the dozens of questions on ATF Form 4473. Next, the gun store contacts the FBI or a state counterpart for permission to proceed with the sale. Under ideal circumstances, permission to proceed is granted in less than 10 minutes. The retailer then logs the gun into his Acquisition and Disposition record book, as an acquisition. He next logs the gun out of the record book, as a disposition. He hands the firearm to the bailee. The process must be followed for every firearm. If there are two are more handguns, the store must send additional forms to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Depending on the state, a fee is charged for each background check requested. The gun store, of course, will process this transaction only if it can charge a fee to compensate it for handling the paperwork. Unlike with an inventory sale, the gun store is not making any profit on the gun itself.

Later, when the bailor returns and is ready to take custody of her firearms, the entire process must be repeated, with bailor and bailee both taking all the guns to the gun store, before they may be returned to the bailor.

 

[2aguy]

. I dunno Bulldog, maybe it's because Obama doesn't give a shit about our security when he releases Islam terrorists from GITMO and shit like that.

Of course that's it. Fear of a black president. The NRA and GOP are hyping a civil war.

Wow...you are nuts. That is why we all supported Herman Cain and Ben Carson...and would love to see Allen West be President....and Colin Powell before he showed himself to be a democrat in republican clothing......you are a twit.

Odd that with all that support, you always end up with the white guy.

They are the blacks who have not been bought by democrat lies......and sadly they don't have enough experience in politics to get to the Presidency...see...instead of waiting for democrat goodies, they have actually gone out and achieved things for themselves.......businessmen, a pediatric neurosurgeon, and a professional soldier....vs a community agitator....

But they haven't spent enough time learning how to win in politics..had they...they would be the nominee...

Do you ever have a thought that isn't based in some disproven right wing talking point?

You guys never disprove anything...you post ..."background checks...background checks..." and then when asked to explain how they are supposed to do what you claim they do you say you already answered it..when all you say is "they stop criminals from getting guns." And then, when we show that they don't do that at all you say..."we already showed you how...stop asking us the same thing."

YOu guys have no idea what you are talking about...and the rest of the time you lie.

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course that's it. Fear of a black president. The NRA and GOP are hyping a civil war.

Wow...you are nuts. That is why we all supported Herman Cain and Ben Carson...and would love to see Allen West be President....and Colin Powell before he showed himself to be a democrat in republican clothing......you are a twit.

Odd that with all that support, you always end up with the white guy.

They are the blacks who have not been bought by democrat lies......and sadly they don't have enough experience in politics to get to the Presidency...see...instead of waiting for democrat goodies, they have actually gone out and achieved things for themselves.......businessmen, a pediatric neurosurgeon, and a professional soldier....vs a community agitator....

But they haven't spent enough time learning how to win in politics..had they...they would be the nominee...

Do you ever have a thought that isn't based in some disproven right wing talking point?

You guys never disprove anything...you post ..."background checks...background checks..." and then when asked to explain how they are supposed to do what you claim they do you say you already answered it..when all you say is "they stop criminals from getting guns." And then, when we show that they don't do that at all you say..."we already showed you how...stop asking us the same thing."

YOu guys have no idea what you are talking about...and the rest of the time you lie.

Believe what you want dumb ass. Your reasoning ability is proven to be less than adequate.

 

[2aguy]

Wow...you are nuts. That is why we all supported Herman Cain and Ben Carson...and would love to see Allen West be President....and Colin Powell before he showed himself to be a democrat in republican clothing......you are a twit.

Odd that with all that support, you always end up with the white guy.

They are the blacks who have not been bought by democrat lies......and sadly they don't have enough experience in politics to get to the Presidency...see...instead of waiting for democrat goodies, they have actually gone out and achieved things for themselves.......businessmen, a pediatric neurosurgeon, and a professional soldier....vs a community agitator....

But they haven't spent enough time learning how to win in politics..had they...they would be the nominee...

Do you ever have a thought that isn't based in some disproven right wing talking point?

You guys never disprove anything...you post ..."background checks...background checks..." and then when asked to explain how they are supposed to do what you claim they do you say you already answered it..when all you say is "they stop criminals from getting guns." And then, when we show that they don't do that at all you say..."we already showed you how...stop asking us the same thing."

YOu guys have no idea what you are talking about...and the rest of the time you lie.

Believe what you want dumb ass. Your reasoning ability is proven to be less than adequate.

Believe what you want dumb ass. Your reasoning ability is proven to be less than adequate

Hmmmm...allow me to translate from "left wing nut speak."

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Wow...2aguy just showed that I have no idea what I am talking about and he did it with facts, truth and the reality of the situation...all things I know nothing about.......how do I respond to what he says.....I know it is the truth, but I just hate guns and gun owners...well, except I want guns, just no one else should have them.......and I can't refute anything he says.....his facts, truth and reality are on target.....

I know...I will just call him a dumb ass.....at least my left wing anti gun buddies will giggle like little school girls when I tell them I said that.....

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