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Will the democrats ever learn to stop whining?

Will you ever stop being in denial of the facts?

House Passes Stimulus Plan With No G.O.P. Votes
House Passes Stimulus Plan With No G.O.P. Votes

WASHINGTON — Without a single Republican vote, President Obama won House approval on Wednesday for an $819 billion economic recovery plan as Congressional Democrats sought to temper their own differences over the enormous package of tax cuts and spending.

As a piece of legislation, the two-year package is among the biggest in history, reflecting a broad view in Congress that urgent fiscal help is needed for an economy in crisis, at a time when the Federal Reserve has already cut interest rates almost to zero.

Was the 6 month fake impeachment worth it now?

I am trying to calculate how many pounds of brain damage it requires for someone to blame the December impeachment for Trump's colossal fuckups in the handling of the coronavirus crisis from January to the present.

Six? Seven?

 

[Papageorgio]

Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
The White House and Democratic lawmakers are pushing proposals with a vast array of provisions that will easily top $1 trillion once negotiations begin Tuesday.
Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion

The government’s economic stimulus is set to quickly balloon into trillion-dollar territory in the coming days, the largest rescue in modern American history, as major industries flood the Trump administration and Capitol Hill for aid while huge swaths of the economy stall from the coronavirus crisis.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will meet with Senate Republicans behind closed doors on Tuesday to present lawmakers with options for aid to airlines, hotels, casinos and small-to-medium-sized businesses. The White House was pushing for a package of more than $800 billion, POLITICO reported Monday, and on Tuesday the Treasury Department was preparing to unveil a package of $850 billion including more than $50 billion for the airline industry, $250 billion for small-business support and $500 billion for a payroll tax holiday. A senior administration official acknowledged the proposal could climb above that Tuesday by the time it’s unveiled.
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So..........the 2020 deficit will be $2T+.

Good thing Don has a plan to eliminate the debt .

Trump vowed to pay off the national debt in 8 years. But he’s touting a budget deal that would raise spending by more than $300 billion.
Trump vowed to pay off the national debt in 8 years. But he’s touting a budget deal that would raise spending by more than $300 billion. | Markets Insider

Where is the money for unemployment for workers? For aid to families for rent and bills?

I see financial aid for business but not workers

Just like the aid in 2008.

 

[toomuchtime_]

We'll I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not sure why we need to bail out shareholders in the petroleum and tourism industries (workers yes, but heavy share holders tend to come out just fine in the end), but if he actually starts putting the nation's interests first and before his political interests ….. I'd be pleased.

Because if you don't have employers, you don't have employees. If we don't maintain the infrastructure, then the recovery will be longer and more painful.

Oil wells, planes and cruisships don't go anywhere. Shareholders are NOT infrastructure. Sometimes, like with banks, they don't actually have physical assets.

Companies are not going to allow their assets to remain tied up in cruse ships and airplanes for extended periods of time if they are not making money. They will cash out and move their investments to other fields where they can earn money. Unless they expect the economy to quickly snap back, it makes more sense to sell these high maintenance assets at a loss and invest the money somewhere else.

 

[berg80]

Trump dismissed coronavirus pandemic worry in January — now claims he long warned about it
“It’s going to be just fine,” Trump assured Kernen during the interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

“We have it totally under control.”
Trump dismissed coronavirus pandemic worry in January — now claims he long warned about it

 

[Papageorgio]

Trump dismissed coronavirus pandemic worry in January — now claims he long warned about it
“It’s going to be just fine,” Trump assured Kernen during the interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

“We have it totally under control.”
Trump dismissed coronavirus pandemic worry in January — now claims he long warned about it

Presidents seem to be slow on disasters, look at Obama with H1N1, Bush with Katrina. Bush did well on 911

 

[bendog]

We'll I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not sure why we need to bail out shareholders in the petroleum and tourism industries (workers yes, but heavy share holders tend to come out just fine in the end), but if he actually starts putting the nation's interests first and before his political interests ….. I'd be pleased.

Because if you don't have employers, you don't have employees. If we don't maintain the infrastructure, then the recovery will be longer and more painful.

Oil wells, planes and cruisships don't go anywhere. Shareholders are NOT infrastructure. Sometimes, like with banks, they don't actually have physical assets.

Companies are not going to allow their assets to remain tied up in cruse ships and airplanes for extended periods of time if they are not making money. They will cash out and move their investments to other fields where they can earn money. Unless they expect the economy to quickly snap back, it makes more sense to sell these high maintenance assets at a loss and invest the money somewhere else.

You do realize the gop's argument against the auto bailout was that someone would buy the factories? And I seriously would doubt you if you told me you were for the auto bailouts.

 

[rightwinger]

Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
The White House and Democratic lawmakers are pushing proposals with a vast array of provisions that will easily top $1 trillion once negotiations begin Tuesday.
Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion

The government’s economic stimulus is set to quickly balloon into trillion-dollar territory in the coming days, the largest rescue in modern American history, as major industries flood the Trump administration and Capitol Hill for aid while huge swaths of the economy stall from the coronavirus crisis.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will meet with Senate Republicans behind closed doors on Tuesday to present lawmakers with options for aid to airlines, hotels, casinos and small-to-medium-sized businesses. The White House was pushing for a package of more than $800 billion, POLITICO reported Monday, and on Tuesday the Treasury Department was preparing to unveil a package of $850 billion including more than $50 billion for the airline industry, $250 billion for small-business support and $500 billion for a payroll tax holiday. A senior administration official acknowledged the proposal could climb above that Tuesday by the time it’s unveiled.
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So..........the 2020 deficit will be $2T+.

Good thing Don has a plan to eliminate the debt .

Trump vowed to pay off the national debt in 8 years. But he’s touting a budget deal that would raise spending by more than $300 billion.
Trump vowed to pay off the national debt in 8 years. But he’s touting a budget deal that would raise spending by more than $300 billion. | Markets Insider

Where is the money for unemployment for workers? For aid to families for rent and bills?

I see financial aid for business but not workers

I believe it was in Pelosi's original bill, but if McConnelll and Trump just load that up with a bunch of corporate shit and send them both back, I hope she puts stuff in them that turns them …. white as a sheet.

I don’t see how $500 billion in payroll tax cuts helps families who are not working. Looks like a hack door way to defund Social Security and Medicare.

Pelosi didn't pass payroll tax cuts. I'm agreeing that anything McConnell proposes will be for the top 5%.

I'm not sure Pelosi shouldn't just call bs. Pass mine, and I'll take up yours with my maj.

I don’t care who gets the credit. Families are struggling. A payroll tax cut does not help them.

We need to help the people who are losing jobs and small businesses.

A corporate tax cut will not help Coronavirus.

 

[bendog]

Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion
The White House and Democratic lawmakers are pushing proposals with a vast array of provisions that will easily top $1 trillion once negotiations begin Tuesday.
Emergency stimulus to soar above $1 trillion

The government’s economic stimulus is set to quickly balloon into trillion-dollar territory in the coming days, the largest rescue in modern American history, as major industries flood the Trump administration and Capitol Hill for aid while huge swaths of the economy stall from the coronavirus crisis.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will meet with Senate Republicans behind closed doors on Tuesday to present lawmakers with options for aid to airlines, hotels, casinos and small-to-medium-sized businesses. The White House was pushing for a package of more than $800 billion, POLITICO reported Monday, and on Tuesday the Treasury Department was preparing to unveil a package of $850 billion including more than $50 billion for the airline industry, $250 billion for small-business support and $500 billion for a payroll tax holiday. A senior administration official acknowledged the proposal could climb above that Tuesday by the time it’s unveiled.
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So..........the 2020 deficit will be $2T+.

Good thing Don has a plan to eliminate the debt .

Trump vowed to pay off the national debt in 8 years. But he’s touting a budget deal that would raise spending by more than $300 billion.
Trump vowed to pay off the national debt in 8 years. But he’s touting a budget deal that would raise spending by more than $300 billion. | Markets Insider

Where is the money for unemployment for workers? For aid to families for rent and bills?

I see financial aid for business but not workers

I believe it was in Pelosi's original bill, but if McConnelll and Trump just load that up with a bunch of corporate shit and send them both back, I hope she puts stuff in them that turns them …. white as a sheet.

I don’t see how $500 billion in payroll tax cuts helps families who are not working. Looks like a hack door way to defund Social Security and Medicare.

Pelosi didn't pass payroll tax cuts. I'm agreeing that anything McConnell proposes will be for the top 5%.

I'm not sure Pelosi shouldn't just call bs. Pass mine, and I'll take up yours with my maj.

I don’t care who gets the credit. Families are struggling. A payroll tax cut does not help them.

We need to help the people who are losing jobs and small businesses.

A corporate tax cut will not help Coronavirus.

I'm not for a payroll tax cut. If people still have jobs, they're spending. The people who LOSE their jobs need money. And that's in UI. Once the virus peaks and recedes, Trump predicts that businesses that closed will restart. I suspect he's right. Assuming the laid off workers still have money coming in to buy shit.

 

[toomuchtime_]

We'll I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not sure why we need to bail out shareholders in the petroleum and tourism industries (workers yes, but heavy share holders tend to come out just fine in the end), but if he actually starts putting the nation's interests first and before his political interests ….. I'd be pleased.

Because if you don't have employers, you don't have employees. If we don't maintain the infrastructure, then the recovery will be longer and more painful.

Oil wells, planes and cruisships don't go anywhere. Shareholders are NOT infrastructure. Sometimes, like with banks, they don't actually have physical assets.

Companies are not going to allow their assets to remain tied up in cruse ships and airplanes for extended periods of time if they are not making money. They will cash out and move their investments to other fields where they can earn money. Unless they expect the economy to quickly snap back, it makes more sense to sell these high maintenance assets at a loss and invest the money somewhere else.

You do realize the gop's argument against the auto bailout was that someone would buy the factories? And I seriously would doubt you if you told me you were for the auto bailouts.

I wasn't opposed to the bailout, but I was opposed to the conditions Obama put on it, forcing the companies to produce smaller cars when the market, as we have seen, wanted SUV's, but that's different subject. What we were talking about had nothing to do with politics or ideology of notions of social justice; the question is, is it better for the government to help maintain the infrastructure in the tourism and airline industries, keeping people employed during this slowdown or to allow it to disappear and the people to be unemployed?

 

[bendog]

We'll I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not sure why we need to bail out shareholders in the petroleum and tourism industries (workers yes, but heavy share holders tend to come out just fine in the end), but if he actually starts putting the nation's interests first and before his political interests ….. I'd be pleased.

Because if you don't have employers, you don't have employees. If we don't maintain the infrastructure, then the recovery will be longer and more painful.

Oil wells, planes and cruisships don't go anywhere. Shareholders are NOT infrastructure. Sometimes, like with banks, they don't actually have physical assets.

Companies are not going to allow their assets to remain tied up in cruse ships and airplanes for extended periods of time if they are not making money. They will cash out and move their investments to other fields where they can earn money. Unless they expect the economy to quickly snap back, it makes more sense to sell these high maintenance assets at a loss and invest the money somewhere else.

You do realize the gop's argument against the auto bailout was that someone would buy the factories? And I seriously would doubt you if you told me you were for the auto bailouts.

I wasn't opposed to the bailout, but I was opposed to the conditions Obama put on it, forcing the companies to produce smaller cars when the market, as we have seen, wanted SUV's, but that's different subject. What we were talking about had nothing to do with politics or ideology of notions of social justice; the question is, is it better for the government to help maintain the infrastructure in the tourism and airline industries, keeping people employed during this slowdown or to allow it to disappear and the people to be unemployed?

Well I would be ok if the govt just loaned the money to airlines and cruise companies, so long as the assets were collateral. Sort of, just barely.

However, with the auto bailout, there really wasn't anyone who was going to buy the factories. Toyota wasn't selling cars either. The bailout pretty much wiped out shareholders, but saved the jobs.

But the airlines and cruisehips and oil drillers are going to fire their workers. And sell their assets for all the cash they can get, and reinvest it. They'll lose money, but they'll make it back. If we're bailing them out, why not bail every 401k for the haircuts we just took.

Now small biz will take a hit. But Trump already made loans available.

McConnell's just lining the pockets of the 5%.

 

[rightwinger]

Where is the money for unemployment for workers? For aid to families for rent and bills?

I see financial aid for business but not workers

I believe it was in Pelosi's original bill, but if McConnelll and Trump just load that up with a bunch of corporate shit and send them both back, I hope she puts stuff in them that turns them …. white as a sheet.

I don’t see how $500 billion in payroll tax cuts helps families who are not working. Looks like a hack door way to defund Social Security and Medicare.

Pelosi didn't pass payroll tax cuts. I'm agreeing that anything McConnell proposes will be for the top 5%.

I'm not sure Pelosi shouldn't just call bs. Pass mine, and I'll take up yours with my maj.

I don’t care who gets the credit. Families are struggling. A payroll tax cut does not help them.

We need to help the people who are losing jobs and small businesses.

A corporate tax cut will not help Coronavirus.

I'm not for a payroll tax cut. If people still have jobs, they're spending. The people who LOSE their jobs need money. And that's in UI. Once the virus peaks and recedes, Trump predicts that businesses that closed will restart. I suspect he's right. Assuming the laid off workers still have money coming in to buy shit.

If you are healthy and still working, you do not need a payroll tax cut. That is free money to people who don’t need it.

We need stimulus to fight the virus, help the sick, build hospitals, help those who are unemployed and assist impacted businesses. NOT a gimmick to give everyone a tax cut.

 

[Meathead]

Will the democrats ever learn to stop whining?

No

 

[bripat9643]

9:50 am: Trump administration wants an $850 billion stimulus plan, reports say
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin heads to the Capitol today to discuss a third coronavirus response package with Senate Republicans as policymakers try to stave off economic calamity.

The Trump administration wants an $850 billion economic stimulus plan, Politico and The Washington Post reported. The White House’s proposal would include about $50 billion in aid to an airline industry battered by the global pandemic, according to the Post.

Congress already passed $8.3 billion in emergency funding to help stop the coronavirus disease’s spread. A separate plan to expand paid leave benefits, boost unemployment insurance and make testing more affordable is working its way through the Capitol this week. —Jacob Pramuk
Coronavirus live updates: Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson released from hospital, Mulvaney self-quarantines
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The mistake being to refuse to cooperate with Dems in the wake of the financial crisis by constantly trying to shrink the size of stimulus packages. As much as anything this caused the weak, prolonged recovery the Repubs blamed on Obama. This proposal is just another example of epic hypocrisy.

Obama stimulus good, Trump stimulus bad am I right. The left have claimed for years that Obama's stimulus saved the country.

Trump was running recession deficits before any of this even happened. Completely irresponsible.

Trump depends on the submissive herd to have the memory retention of goldfish.

IRONIC

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Trump could have acted earlier on China without your fake impeachment/ Russian hoax.

But.........you know that's bullshit, right?

You're lucky he shut it down. Boy your fake impeachment was horrific to this country.

You seem to have had a boss your whole life. You got that proletarian air written all over you?

Trump was impeached
It was quite real
It was perfect

He wasn't convicted either.

Please list the benefits it did the country. NOT YOU feeling better!!.The country.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Trump could have acted earlier on China without your fake impeachment/ Russian hoax.

But.........you know that's bullshit, right?

You're lucky he shut it down. Boy your fake impeachment was horrific to this country.

You seem to have had a boss your whole life. You got that proletarian air written all over you?

A week ago trump was tweeting it’s just like the flu... trump was the last to take this seriously.

Yeah he closed China while you screamed racist.
It is like the flu. Where do you people come from?

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Will the democrats ever learn to stop whining?

Will you ever stop being in denial of the facts?

House Passes Stimulus Plan With No G.O.P. Votes
House Passes Stimulus Plan With No G.O.P. Votes

WASHINGTON — Without a single Republican vote, President Obama won House approval on Wednesday for an $819 billion economic recovery plan as Congressional Democrats sought to temper their own differences over the enormous package of tax cuts and spending.

As a piece of legislation, the two-year package is among the biggest in history, reflecting a broad view in Congress that urgent fiscal help is needed for an economy in crisis, at a time when the Federal Reserve has already cut interest rates almost to zero.

Was the 6 month fake impeachment worth it now?

I am trying to calculate how many pounds of brain damage it requires for someone to blame the December impeachment for Trump's colossal fuckups in the handling of the coronavirus crisis from January to the present.

Six? Seven?

Do you remember The Articles held for a month? No you don't. The trial in JANUARY!!!. No you don't.

You talk to me like that again and we're through. You lost before you posted.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Boy your fake impeachment was horrific to this country.

The Repubs fake acquittal, flying in the face of overwhelming evidence of Trump's guilt, would be the low point of the error.........sorry........era of Trumpery if not for that distinction belonging to his election.

READ: The Alarming Report That Seems To Have Jump-Started Trump’s COVID Response
READ: The Alarming Report That Seems To Have Jump-Started Trump's COVID Response

President Trump’s surprisingly sober press conference on Monday was reportedly sparked by a British study suggesting that the U.S. could face 2.2 million fatalities if the coronavirus epidemic goes unabated.

The report — embedded below — was put together by a team of epidemiologists at Imperial College London.

Though it has not been peer-reviewed, the report made shockwaves after being sent to the White House on Sunday, its lead author, epidemiologist Neil Ferguson, told the Times.

Below are highlights from the report.

Fake impeachment. Fake acquittal Tell me what benefit it was for the country. Not your self interests, but the country.

What did a 4 yr Russian
hoax did but tear us apart.

God you people are something else.
Where were you during the Swine Flu? They did nothing until it waqs a severe pandemic here

 

[Flash]

That asshole Biden hasn't learned a damn thing.

He is essentially running on the same platform that was a disaster for Obama. For instance, to reinstate Obamacare. How could anybody be that stupid?

He is running on the same issues that lost the election for that dumbass Crooked Hillary. Increased taxes, curtailing the right to keep and bear arms, have open borders and increasing welfare.

Democrats aren't too bright, are they?

 

[Papageorgio]

I believe it was in Pelosi's original bill, but if McConnelll and Trump just load that up with a bunch of corporate shit and send them both back, I hope she puts stuff in them that turns them …. white as a sheet.

I don’t see how $500 billion in payroll tax cuts helps families who are not working. Looks like a hack door way to defund Social Security and Medicare.

Pelosi didn't pass payroll tax cuts. I'm agreeing that anything McConnell proposes will be for the top 5%.

I'm not sure Pelosi shouldn't just call bs. Pass mine, and I'll take up yours with my maj.

I don’t care who gets the credit. Families are struggling. A payroll tax cut does not help them.

We need to help the people who are losing jobs and small businesses.

A corporate tax cut will not help Coronavirus.

I'm not for a payroll tax cut. If people still have jobs, they're spending. The people who LOSE their jobs need money. And that's in UI. Once the virus peaks and recedes, Trump predicts that businesses that closed will restart. I suspect he's right. Assuming the laid off workers still have money coming in to buy shit.

If you are healthy and still working, you do not need a payroll tax cut. That is free money to people who don’t need it.

We need stimulus to fight the virus, help the sick, build hospitals, help those who are unemployed and assist impacted businesses. NOT a gimmick to give everyone a tax cut.

Build Hospitals? Before there are any drawings for a hospital, the crisis will be over, so more money for hospitals that are probably at least two years from completion would not be a wise investment. How would you use stimulus to fight the virus? How would you help those sick because of the virus? No offense but so far your help seems gimmicky.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump could have acted earlier on China without your fake impeachment/ Russian hoax.

But.........you know that's bullshit, right?

You're lucky he shut it down. Boy your fake impeachment was horrific to this country.

You seem to have had a boss your whole life. You got that proletarian air written all over you?

Trump was impeached
It was quite real
It was perfect

He wasn't convicted either.

Please list the benefits it did the country. NOT YOU feeling better!!.The country.

Neither were Nixon, Clinton or Andrew Johnson