Did the colonists really bring the horse to America?

[Sunni Man]

Mustang's are basically feral European horses that are a mixture of many breeds. They have adapted to their harsh environment over the centuries in North America's vast plains and desert regions.
Although not a subspecies, their physical bodies have been modified in stature and size due to living in rugged terrain, harsh climate, and scrub grass diet.

 

[BlindBoo]

I think this is a lie, the data set above contradicts this

"Around 12,000 years ago, it is thought, bands of Asiatic hunters moved south into North America, destroying many of the animals they discovered there. Having evolved without the presence of man, North America’s large mammals were innocent and unafraid of humans, and made easy victims for these primitive hunters. It is not known whether epidemics or other natural factors helped decimate these horses. But it is known from fossilized, charred bones found at ancient cooking sites that these early invaders did hunt the horse, and that its disappearance coincided approximately with their arrival in North America. In fact, the horse appears to be one of the first native American species to be wiped out by man."

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They became dinner.

 

[rupol2000]

Mustang's are basically feral European wild horses that are a mixture of many breeds. They have adapted to their harsh environment over the centuries in rough plains and desert regions.

Let's say the mustang is not a separate breed. But then where did the Indians get the word horse?

By the way, why do horses run wild only among the Spaniards in America, but do not run wild in other parts of the world?

 

[rupol2000]

"Around 12,000 years ago, it is thought, bands of Asiatic hunters moved south into North America, destroying many of the animals they discovered there. Having evolved without the presence of man, North America’s large mammals were innocent and unafraid of humans, and made easy victims for these primitive hunters. It is not known whether epidemics or other natural factors helped decimate these horses. But it is known from fossilized, charred bones found at ancient cooking sites that these early invaders did hunt the horse, and that its disappearance coincided approximately with their arrival in North America. In fact, the horse appears to be one of the first native American species to be wiped out by man."

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They became dinner.

I have read about these people. This is not convincing, because their relatives in Siberia were not hunters but horse breeders. They are considered a branch of the same people who formed the Clovis cultures.

Afanasievo culture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Yarddog]

After the negotiations of the Marquis Lafayette with the leaders of the Iroquois, they, in accordance with their ritual, gave him the name "Kayewla" (fearsome horseman in their language), in honor of the hero of their mythology, the Fearsome Horseman. If the Iroquois had such a hero in tradition, they had a separate name for the horse in their own language, which means that they have always had horses.

Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de Lafayette - Wikipedia

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In addition, the oldest remains of the horse were found in America.

In addition, there are studies that state that the mustang is the ancestor of all horses.

In addition, England is not a suitable place for breeding horses, and there were few of them.

All this suggests that the horses brought to America from Europe are the lie.

There were plenty of English horses, they just had bad teeth and often needed dental work

 

[rupol2000]

There were plenty of English horses, they just had bad teeth and often needed dental work

I think that in England horses were kept only by aristocrats, descendants of knights. This is an expensive pleasure for England, and it will not be possible to provide much fodder for a large cavalry army or for a large herd of horses.

Here is what they write about the soils of England:

The most fertile soils of Great Britain are located in its warm and relatively dry south-eastern part, where they were formed mainly on calcareous rocks. Relatively high summer temperatures here contribute to increased biological activity and accumulation of humus in the upper soil layer. Initially, this whole area was covered with broad-leaved forests, under which brown forest soils were formed.

 

[WinterBorn]

Let's say the mustang is not a separate breed. But then where did the Indians get the word horse?

By the way, why do horses run wild only among the Spaniards in America, but do not run wild in other parts of the world?

The Native Americans had a word for "horse" because they saw horses being used by the Spaniards and needed a word for it.

When Native Americans first saw mounted Spaniard, they thought they were gods and were one animal.

There is archeological evidence of horses in North America. But they were smaller than modern horses and went extinct around 10,000 years ago.

The modern horses were brought by the Spaniards.

Horse Background and History - Theodore Roosevelt National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

See what you can learn if you try?

 

[rupol2000]

The Native Americans had a word for "horse" because they saw horses being used by the Spaniards and needed a word for it.

Unconvincing. It was some kind of hero of their epic. Besides, there were no Spaniards in these places.

 

[surada]

I am well aware of archeology, the history of the domestication of the horse and its habitat. The horse lives in the steppes, in a temperate continental climate, for example, in the Eurasian steppe. It feeds on natural grasses and must migrate if there is no food. Britain is not suitable for its natural habitat, and there is no evidence that there was an ancient horse breeding.

There's plenty of evidence for horses in Arabia. You just ignore the findings.

 

[surada]

What are my problems? Are these threats?
We've already discussed this before. You did not provide any evidence that there was a savannah.

Every geologist who ever worked in Arabia knows it was once savannah with shallow lakes and streams.

Saudi find shows horses used 9,000 years ago

Saudi Arabia has found traces of a civilisation that was domesticating horses about 9,000 years ago, 4,000 years earlier than previously thought, the kingdom said.

phys.org

 

[surada]

"Around 12,000 years ago, it is thought, bands of Asiatic hunters moved south into North America, destroying many of the animals they discovered there. Having evolved without the presence of man, North America’s large mammals were innocent and unafraid of humans, and made easy victims for these primitive hunters. It is not known whether epidemics or other natural factors helped decimate these horses. But it is known from fossilized, charred bones found at ancient cooking sites that these early invaders did hunt the horse, and that its disappearance coincided approximately with their arrival in North America. In fact, the horse appears to be one of the first native American species to be wiped out by man."

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They became dinner.

They have found statues of horses dating to the neolithic age in Arabia.

Saudi find shows horses used 9,000 years ago

Saudi Arabia has found traces of a civilisation that was domesticating horses about 9,000 years ago, 4,000 years earlier than previously thought, the kingdom said.

phys.org

 

[surada]

Interview: Unraveling Arabia’s green past

Discussing the advent of archaeology in Saudi Arabia with the head of the Palaeodeserts Project.

www.natureasia.com

 

[BlindBoo]

Unconvincing. It was some kind of hero of their epic. Besides, there were no Spaniards in these places.

The probably had lots of good recipes with their word for horse in it too. Lots of mouths to feed.

 

[WinterBorn]

Unconvincing. It was some kind of hero of their epic. Besides, there were no Spaniards in these places.

You mean the horses didn't stay where the Spaniards lost them? What a surprise.

And what places are you talking about?

 

[surada]

The probably had lots of good recipes with their word for horse in it too. Lots of mouths to feed.

The Nabataeans also had horses.

 

[rupol2000]

Every geologist who ever worked in Arabia knows it was once savannah with shallow lakes and streams.

Saudi find shows horses used 9,000 years ago

Saudi Arabia has found traces of a civilisation that was domesticating horses about 9,000 years ago, 4,000 years earlier than previously thought, the kingdom said.

phys.org

Yes, I found information that part of Arabia was occupied by arid Savannahs. This is determined by the red soil and apparently concerns the subtropical part (northern Arabia)

But does a horse live in the savannas? There are a lot of zebras there. A zebra is a kind of horse, but it's still not a horse.

Perhaps there was a horse, but it still was not a place of mass early horse breeding, the horse was tamed in the Botai culture, as archaeologists generally believe. This is in the Siberian steppe. So it doesn't matter if a horse lived there or not.

 

[BlindBoo]

They have found statues of horses dating to the neolithic age in Arabia.

Saudi find shows horses used 9,000 years ago

Saudi Arabia has found traces of a civilisation that was domesticating horses about 9,000 years ago, 4,000 years earlier than previously thought, the kingdom said.

phys.org

The Hunter-Gatherers that migrated here did not have domesticated beasts of burden that developed in other parts of the civilized world.

 

[rupol2000]

You mean the horses didn't stay where the Spaniards lost them? What a surprise.

And what places are you talking about?

There were no fucking Spanish colonies on the great lakes, idiot.

 

[WinterBorn]

There were no fucking Spanish colonies on the great lakes, idiot.

Who said there were?

The horses came from Spanish expeditions. That was mostly the southwest and the horses moved into the plains.

 

[surada]

Yes, I found information that part of Arabia was occupied by arid Savannahs. This is determined by the red soil and apparently concerns the subtropical part (northern Arabia)

But does a horse live in the savannas? There are a lot of zebras there. A zebra is a kind of horse, but it's still not a horse.

Perhaps there was a horse, but it still was not a place of mass early horse breeding, the horse was tamed in the Botai culture, as archaeologists generally believe. This is in the Siberian steppe. So it doesn't matter if a horse lived there or not.

No zebras. The oil business has employed geologists for 80 years. They know Saudi Arabia and have taken thousands of core samples. A little humility would serve you well.