Did The Great Flood Really Happen?

[ding]

That's a major deflection.

No, this was answered over and over, and once by me. Go read the thread. We can rule out the flood myth. And respond to those points or don't. Those are your choices.

So you don't know. OK. Which means you can't falsify it.

#winning

Don't know...what? You are incoherent.

Yes, we.know the great flood myth is fiction.

This started with you engaging me. I wasn't even talking to you. This is yet again another example of your dishonesty.

Strictly speaking fiction isn't true so they have taken me to task on that, but IMO great storytelling does convey truth.

An allegorical account of a flooding event that happened isn't exactly fiction.

It is fiction, because it didn't happen.

How do you know? Was there nothing on the news about it 6,000 years ago?

Already covered in the thread.

 

[ding]

2. Everything he created is good

Really? How do you define good? Are viruses good? Is Satan good?

There is only good, the absence of good and everything in between. It's like heat or light.

So Hitler was good, just not as good as some others?

He probably had his moments. Or do you believe people are all bad or all good? Are you all good? I'm not. I'm not all bad either.

 

[ding]

Did the Great Flood really happen? - Living Faith - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online

Many Christians today argue the flood story is only a myth. It is a cautionary tale, not intended for literal interpretation. What's important, they say, is that we accept the lessons in the story rather than the story itself. There is merit to this approach. The story has no value if we ignore the lessons it teaches.

Jesus said it did.

I'm a Christian. I believe Him over today's "christian" teachers whom Christ said would be judged HARSHLY for teaching false doctrine

Then most Christians are fucked, as they created the "allegory" nonsense, to keep up with reality.

Sort of like most atheists are fucked because they read allegorical texts literally?

I would assume all atheists are fucked. Do some atheists get a "get out of hell" free card? Is it like the immigration lottery?
Or is that something else you just made up like the "allegories?"

Allegories explain things humans don't know or understand. Perhaps the tale of Adam and Eve is about the time period when humans stopped trusting o God's providence and began to cultivate crops and tend livestock.

Of course that took place 14,000 years earlier, but the story is still an explanation.

Allegories is something the religious cling to when science provers their hand-me-down, cherry picked fables written by desert savages, are proven wrong.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing, was the result of stages and that man arose from that creation.

If you weren't such an intellectually dishonest militant atheist you'd have seen it too.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Genesis and the Big Bang: Both contain truth

In 2014, Pope Francis told a group of scientists that both the biblical stories of Genesis and the Big Bang theory are consistent with Catholic faith. Secular m

www.catholicsentinel.org

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing

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the thread of fallacies - there is nothing to prove otherwise there has never been a time both energy and matter have existed.

CMB, red shift, quantum mechanics, FLoT, SLoT, Einstein's field equations, expanding universe, etc. say it's not a fallacy.

Energy and matter exist today, so maybe you meant to say something else.

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the thread of fallacies - there is nothing to prove otherwise there has never been a time both energy and matter have existed.

CMB, red shift, quantum mechanics, FLoT, SLoT, Einstein's field equations, expanding universe, etc. say it's not a fallacy.

Energy and matter exist today, so maybe you meant to say something else.

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Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing

,

I left out the not - you have no proof there has ever been a time energy and matter have not existed.

your answer is simply confirmation after the moment of singularity of the cyclical bb.

Sure I do. ~14 billion years ago. This universe has not existed forever. It did have a beginning. Maybe you have heard about it. It's called the Big Bang.

 

[BreezeWood]

Did the Great Flood really happen? - Living Faith - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online

Many Christians today argue the flood story is only a myth. It is a cautionary tale, not intended for literal interpretation. What's important, they say, is that we accept the lessons in the story rather than the story itself. There is merit to this approach. The story has no value if we ignore the lessons it teaches.

Jesus said it did.

I'm a Christian. I believe Him over today's "christian" teachers whom Christ said would be judged HARSHLY for teaching false doctrine

Then most Christians are fucked, as they created the "allegory" nonsense, to keep up with reality.

Sort of like most atheists are fucked because they read allegorical texts literally?

I would assume all atheists are fucked. Do some atheists get a "get out of hell" free card? Is it like the immigration lottery?
Or is that something else you just made up like the "allegories?"

Allegories explain things humans don't know or understand. Perhaps the tale of Adam and Eve is about the time period when humans stopped trusting o God's providence and began to cultivate crops and tend livestock.

Of course that took place 14,000 years earlier, but the story is still an explanation.

Allegories is something the religious cling to when science provers their hand-me-down, cherry picked fables written by desert savages, are proven wrong.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing, was the result of stages and that man arose from that creation.

If you weren't such an intellectually dishonest militant atheist you'd have seen it too.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Genesis and the Big Bang: Both contain truth

In 2014, Pope Francis told a group of scientists that both the biblical stories of Genesis and the Big Bang theory are consistent with Catholic faith. Secular m

www.catholicsentinel.org

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing

.
the thread of fallacies - there is nothing to prove otherwise there has never been a time both energy and matter have existed.

CMB, red shift, quantum mechanics, FLoT, SLoT, Einstein's field equations, expanding universe, etc. say it's not a fallacy.

Energy and matter exist today, so maybe you meant to say something else.

.

the thread of fallacies - there is nothing to prove otherwise there has never been a time both energy and matter have existed.

CMB, red shift, quantum mechanics, FLoT, SLoT, Einstein's field equations, expanding universe, etc. say it's not a fallacy.

Energy and matter exist today, so maybe you meant to say something else.

.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing

,

I left out the not - you have no proof there has ever been a time energy and matter have not existed.

your answer is simply confirmation after the moment of singularity of the cyclical bb.

Sure I do. ~14 billion years ago. This universe has not existed forever. It did have a beginning. Maybe you have heard about it. It's called the Big Bang.

.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing,

there is nothing to prove otherwise there has never been a time both energy and matter have not existed.

Sure I do. ~14 billion years ago. This universe has not existed forever. It did have a beginning. Maybe you have heard about it. It's called the Big Bang.

.
bb is cyclical ...

that is an absurdity to claim the universe began from nothing 14 billion years ago - as the same for your religion both only exist through forgeries and fallacies than actual events, deliberately skewed for nefarious and self serving motivations.

 

[ding]

Did the Great Flood really happen? - Living Faith - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online

Many Christians today argue the flood story is only a myth. It is a cautionary tale, not intended for literal interpretation. What's important, they say, is that we accept the lessons in the story rather than the story itself. There is merit to this approach. The story has no value if we ignore the lessons it teaches.

Jesus said it did.

I'm a Christian. I believe Him over today's "christian" teachers whom Christ said would be judged HARSHLY for teaching false doctrine

Then most Christians are fucked, as they created the "allegory" nonsense, to keep up with reality.

Sort of like most atheists are fucked because they read allegorical texts literally?

I would assume all atheists are fucked. Do some atheists get a "get out of hell" free card? Is it like the immigration lottery?
Or is that something else you just made up like the "allegories?"

Allegories explain things humans don't know or understand. Perhaps the tale of Adam and Eve is about the time period when humans stopped trusting o God's providence and began to cultivate crops and tend livestock.

Of course that took place 14,000 years earlier, but the story is still an explanation.

Allegories is something the religious cling to when science provers their hand-me-down, cherry picked fables written by desert savages, are proven wrong.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing, was the result of stages and that man arose from that creation.

If you weren't such an intellectually dishonest militant atheist you'd have seen it too.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

Counters nonreligious professor: The Genesis account of the formation of the heavens and the earth has nothing to do with science

www.timesofisrael.com

Genesis and the Big Bang: Both contain truth

In 2014, Pope Francis told a group of scientists that both the biblical stories of Genesis and the Big Bang theory are consistent with Catholic faith. Secular m

www.catholicsentinel.org

Creatio ex nihilo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing

.
the thread of fallacies - there is nothing to prove otherwise there has never been a time both energy and matter have existed.

CMB, red shift, quantum mechanics, FLoT, SLoT, Einstein's field equations, expanding universe, etc. say it's not a fallacy.

Energy and matter exist today, so maybe you meant to say something else.

.

the thread of fallacies - there is nothing to prove otherwise there has never been a time both energy and matter have existed.

CMB, red shift, quantum mechanics, FLoT, SLoT, Einstein's field equations, expanding universe, etc. say it's not a fallacy.

Energy and matter exist today, so maybe you meant to say something else.

.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing

,

I left out the not - you have no proof there has ever been a time energy and matter have not existed.

your answer is simply confirmation after the moment of singularity of the cyclical bb.

Sure I do. ~14 billion years ago. This universe has not existed forever. It did have a beginning. Maybe you have heard about it. It's called the Big Bang.

.

Ancient man knew 6,000 years before science that the universe was created from nothing,

there is nothing to prove otherwise there has never been a time both energy and matter have not existed.

Sure I do. ~14 billion years ago. This universe has not existed forever. It did have a beginning. Maybe you have heard about it. It's called the Big Bang.

.
bb is cyclical ...

that is an absurdity to claim the universe began from nothing 14 billion years ago - as the same for your religion both only exist through forgeries and fallacies than actual events, deliberately skewed for nefarious and self serving motivations.

Nope. That would violate the SLoT and would not explain the cosmic background radiation or the expansion of the universe.

What exactly is your background in science?

 

[alang1216]

2. Everything he created is good

Really? How do you define good? Are viruses good? Is Satan good?

There is only good, the absence of good and everything in between. It's like heat or light.

So Hitler was good, just not as good as some others?

He probably had his moments. Or do you believe people are all bad or all good? Are you all good? I'm not. I'm not all bad either.

I sense a contradiction here. If everything God created is good, why aren't you all good?

 

[ding]

2. Everything he created is good

Really? How do you define good? Are viruses good? Is Satan good?

There is only good, the absence of good and everything in between. It's like heat or light.

So Hitler was good, just not as good as some others?

He probably had his moments. Or do you believe people are all bad or all good? Are you all good? I'm not. I'm not all bad either.

I sense a contradiction here. If everything God created is good, why aren't you all good?

Because I have to choose to do good.

 

[ding]

[MEN frequently think that the evils in the world are more numerous than the good things, that just isn't the case. He who thinks that he can have flesh and bones without being subject to any external influence, or any of the accidents of matter, unconsciously wishes to reconcile two opposites, viz., to be at the same time subject and not subject to change. If man were never subject to change there could be no generation: there would be one single being, but no individuals forming a species. It would be in vain to expect to see living beings formed of the blood of menstruous women and the semen virile, who will not die, will never feel pain, or will move perpetually, or will shine like the sun. Whatever is formed of any matter receives the most perfect form possible in that species of matter: in each individual case the defects are in accordance with the defects of that individual matter. The best and most perfect being that can be formed of the blood and the semen is the species of man, for as far as man's nature is known, he is living, reasonable, and mortal. It is therefore impossible that man should be free from this species of evil. You will, nevertheless, find that the evils of the above kind which befall man are very few and rare.

It must be admitted as a fact that it cannot be said of God that He directly creates evil, or He has the direct intention to produce evil; this is impossible His works are all perfectly good. He only produces existence, and all existence is good. God is perfect goodness, and that all that comes from Him is absolutely good. Consequently the true work of God is all good, since it is existence. ALL the great evils which men cause to each other because of certain intentions, desires, opinions, or religious principles, are likewise due to non-existence, because they originate in ignorance, which is absence of wisdom. The numerous evils to which individual persons are exposed are due to the defects existing in the persons themselves. We suffer from the evils which we, by our own free will, inflict on ourselves and ascribe them to God, who is far from being connected with them. Man himself is the author of this class of evils. The error of the ignorant goes so far as to say that God's power is insufficient, because He has given to this Universe the properties which they imagine cause these great evils.] Maimonides, The Guide for the Perplexed

 

[Taz]

[MEN frequently think that the evils in the world are more numerous than the good things, that just isn't the case. He who thinks that he can have flesh and bones without being subject to any external influence, or any of the accidents of matter, unconsciously wishes to reconcile two opposites, viz., to be at the same time subject and not subject to change. If man were never subject to change there could be no generation: there would be one single being, but no individuals forming a species. It would be in vain to expect to see living beings formed of the blood of menstruous women and the semen virile, who will not die, will never feel pain, or will move perpetually, or will shine like the sun. Whatever is formed of any matter receives the most perfect form possible in that species of matter: in each individual case the defects are in accordance with the defects of that individual matter. The best and most perfect being that can be formed of the blood and the semen is the species of man, for as far as man's nature is known, he is living, reasonable, and mortal. It is therefore impossible that man should be free from this species of evil. You will, nevertheless, find that the evils of the above kind which befall man are very few and rare.

It must be admitted as a fact that it cannot be said of God that He directly creates evil, or He has the direct intention to produce evil; this is impossible His works are all perfectly good. He only produces existence, and all existence is good. God is perfect goodness, and that all that comes from Him is absolutely good. Consequently the true work of God is all good, since it is existence. ALL the great evils which men cause to each other because of certain intentions, desires, opinions, or religious principles, are likewise due to non-existence, because they originate in ignorance, which is absence of wisdom. The numerous evils to which individual persons are exposed are due to the defects existing in the persons themselves. We suffer from the evils which we, by our own free will, inflict on ourselves and ascribe them to God, who is far from being connected with them. Man himself is the author of this class of evils. The error of the ignorant goes so far as to say that God's power is insufficient, because He has given to this Universe the properties which they imagine cause these great evils.] Maimonides, The Guide for the Perplexed

FARTSMOKE ALERT!!!!

 

[Taz]

2. Everything he created is good

Really? How do you define good? Are viruses good? Is Satan good?

There is only good, the absence of good and everything in between. It's like heat or light.

So Hitler was good, just not as good as some others?

He probably had his moments. Or do you believe people are all bad or all good? Are you all good? I'm not. I'm not all bad either.

I sense a contradiction here. If everything God created is good, why aren't you all good?

dingbat will argue that god makes deformed and retarded kids for good. Watch...

 

[Taz]

2. Everything he created is good

Really? How do you define good? Are viruses good? Is Satan good?

There is only good, the absence of good and everything in between. It's like heat or light.

So Hitler was good, just not as good as some others?

He probably had his moments. Or do you believe people are all bad or all good? Are you all good? I'm not. I'm not all bad either.

I sense a contradiction here. If everything God created is good, why aren't you all good?

Because I have to choose to do good.

So nothing god creates starts out good. Got it.

 

[Meriweather]

I sense a contradiction here. If everything God created is good, why aren't you all good?

According to Genesis, we also desired the knowledge of good and evil. Do you feel more people choose good over evil, or in your experience is the reverse truer?

 

[Taz]

I sense a contradiction here. If everything God created is good, why aren't you all good?

According to Genesis, we also desired the knowledge of good and evil. Do you feel more people choose good over evil, or in your experience is the reverse truer?

If god wants us to choose good, then why did he make evil as a choice? Seems rather dumb.

 

[Meriweather]

If god wants us to choose good, then why did he make evil as a choice? Seems rather dumb.

Actually God advised against gaining the knowledge of good and evil. Humans wanted to know both, and in my opinion, because most of us are confident that we will choose the good over the evil. We are learning it is not quite that easy, not every time. Choosing good over evil can often be a struggle. That can be compared to lifting weights or training for a marathon. While often difficult, the results are often worthwhile.

 

[Taz]

If god wants us to choose good, then why did he make evil as a choice? Seems rather dumb.

Actually God advised against gaining the knowledge of good and evil. Humans wanted to know both, and in my opinion, because most of us are confident that we will choose the good over the evil. We are learning it is not quite that easy, not every time. Choosing good over evil can often be a struggle. That can be compared to lifting weights or training for a marathon. While often difficult, the results are often worthwhile.

Lifting weights makes you freakish. Long distance running can lead to heart attacks, among other injuries... Showing you how good can be subjective.

So why did god make evil if he doesn't want anyone to choose it?

 

[Meriweather]

Lifting weights makes you freakish. Long distance running can lead to heart attacks, among other injuries... Showing you how good can be subjective.

Shrug. If the strong workout is not good for you, choose another discipline. Walking, bowling, knitting. The point stands. No discipline, no gain.

 

[DudleySmith]

If god wants us to choose good, then why did he make evil as a choice? Seems rather dumb.

Actually God advised against gaining the knowledge of good and evil. Humans wanted to know both, and in my opinion, because most of us are confident that we will choose the good over the evil. We are learning it is not quite that easy, not every time. Choosing good over evil can often be a struggle. That can be compared to lifting weights or training for a marathon. While often difficult, the results are often worthwhile.

Lifting weights makes you freakish. Long distance running can lead to heart attacks, among other injuries... Showing you how good can be subjective.

So why did god make evil if he doesn't want anyone to choose it?

He didn't make evil, the fallen angels did. God gave man free will, so he could choose, as indicated by the premises of the Adam and Eve allegory.

And, we're still waiting for that empirical chain of evidence that proves evolution isn't just a cult fantasy invented by pseudo-intellectual halfwits with high self-esteem.

 

[Taz]

Lifting weights makes you freakish. Long distance running can lead to heart attacks, among other injuries... Showing you how good can be subjective.

Shrug. If the strong workout is not good for you, choose another discipline. Walking, bowling, knitting. The point stands. No discipline, no gain.

How about having lots of sex?

 

[Taz]

If god wants us to choose good, then why did he make evil as a choice? Seems rather dumb.

Actually God advised against gaining the knowledge of good and evil. Humans wanted to know both, and in my opinion, because most of us are confident that we will choose the good over the evil. We are learning it is not quite that easy, not every time. Choosing good over evil can often be a struggle. That can be compared to lifting weights or training for a marathon. While often difficult, the results are often worthwhile.

Lifting weights makes you freakish. Long distance running can lead to heart attacks, among other injuries... Showing you how good can be subjective.

So why did god make evil if he doesn't want anyone to choose it?

He didn't make evil, the fallen angels did. God gave man free will, so he could choose, as indicated by the premises of the Adam and Eve allegory.

And, we're still waiting for that empirical chain of evidence that proves evolution isn't just a cult fantasy invented by pseudo-intellectual halfwits with high self-esteem.

So god didn't make everything in the universe. But he did make the fallen angels, and let them fall. Or does god not having any control over his creation?

So if not by evolution, you think god just poofed humans to earth like a magician?

 

[Meriweather]

How about having lots of sex?

In what context? Lots of sex as part of a committed relationship is different from many kinds of sex with many people. Is sex one primary goal, or are there higher goals, commitments?