Did Trump shoot himself in the foot?

[Crepitus]

... by so vehemently attacking mail-in ballots? Turning his base against them when obviously the mail in ballots are what is going to give Biden the Presidency?
You have to ask yourself what is reality?
1) Is the election irregularities such as in PA what made Biden win? Really?
2) Or is it the MILLIONS of mail in ballots with his name on them?

Trump was right to be concerned about the security issues of mail in voting, but when it was CLEAR they were going to be used nation wide, he should have been smart enough to start telling his base to use them because the other side are in large numbers.
But instead, Trump being Trump, he couldn't let something go and stood there numerous times telling his base to not use them... it's unconstitutional... they won't be counted. That move hurt his numbers in a BIG way. Obviously. As poll supervisors stated all across the nation, in person ballots were counted first. Then mail in ballots. Before mail in ballots... Trump was the clear winner. As soon as the mail ballots were counted - they were 10-1 for Biden. And his lead vanished.

No he didn't shoot himself in the foot if they were tossing the real mail in ballots and replacing them with their own made up ballots in excess.

Fake news

 

[Mac-7]

The problem with mail in voting is chain of command.

It doesn't exist

Sure there's a chain of command.
I live in Philly, there were PSAs telling people how to handle your ballot.
The ballot has a bar code that contains the voter's name.
You fill it out properly, mail it waaaaaaay ahead of time so that Trump's fucking prick DeJoy can't fuck with it.
Wait about a week and then log on to votepa.gov and look your ballot up to get confirmation of receipt and validity.
Worked like a charm.

I knew my vote wouldn't be counted until either yesterday or today.
The "red mirage" was exactly that.
Millions upon millions voted by mail.
Just like Trump used to do.

I didnt get a mail-in ballot

was it never sent because I’m a registered republican?

or did someone get to it before I did?

 

[RodISHI]

... by so vehemently attacking mail-in ballots? Turning his base against them when obviously the mail in ballots are what is going to give Biden the Presidency?
You have to ask yourself what is reality?
1) Is the election irregularities such as in PA what made Biden win? Really?
2) Or is it the MILLIONS of mail in ballots with his name on them?

Trump was right to be concerned about the security issues of mail in voting, but when it was CLEAR they were going to be used nation wide, he should have been smart enough to start telling his base to use them because the other side are in large numbers.
But instead, Trump being Trump, he couldn't let something go and stood there numerous times telling his base to not use them... it's unconstitutional... they won't be counted. That move hurt his numbers in a BIG way. Obviously. As poll supervisors stated all across the nation, in person ballots were counted first. Then mail in ballots. Before mail in ballots... Trump was the clear winner. As soon as the mail ballots were counted - they were 10-1 for Biden. And his lead vanished.

No he didn't shoot himself in the foot if they were tossing the real mail in ballots and replacing them with their own made up ballots in excess.

Fake news

You wish... I'm sure.

 

[BULLDOG]

The problem with mail in voting is chain of command.

It doesn't exist

Sure there's a chain of command.
I live in Philly, there were PSAs telling people how to handle your ballot.
The ballot has a bar code that contains the voter's name.
You fill it out properly, mail it waaaaaaay ahead of time so that Trump's fucking prick DeJoy can't fuck with it.
Wait about a week and then log on to votepa.gov and look your ballot up to get confirmation of receipt and validity.
Worked like a charm.

I knew my vote wouldn't be counted until either yesterday or today.
The "red mirage" was exactly that.
Millions upon millions voted by mail.
Just like Trump used to do.

I didnt get a mail-in ballot

was it never sent because I’m a registered republican?

or did someone get to it before I did?

Probably because you are a republican. Now they have your address, and will come to get your guns and throw you in one of those FEMA prisons until you agree to get gay married to an illegal alien who doesn't like to watch fox.

 

[BlackSand]

Nearly one in every five Americans live in CA and NY.

That's like saying if you don't count the votes in WY AK SD ND MT WV ID KS OK MS AK IA UT KY LA AL SC MO and IN - which have roughly the same population combined as CA and NY combined - Biden would have won the EC easily.

So what you're saying is pretty silly.

Thanks for helping explain why the Electoral College is necessary ...

.

 

[Agit8r]

Honestly, I don't think that if he had supported mail-in ballots it would have done his re-election chances any good. Of course thanks to in-person votings affect on covid numbers (220,000 new cases over last two days) there will be many fewer conservatives to vote in 2022, so he has really screwed the GOP long term.

 

[Norman]

... by so vehemently attacking mail-in ballots? Turning his base against them when obviously the mail in ballots are what is going to give Biden the Presidency?
You have to ask yourself what is reality?
1) Is the election irregularities such as in PA what made Biden win? Really?
2) Or is it the MILLIONS of mail in ballots with his name on them?

Trump was right to be concerned about the security issues of mail in voting, but when it was CLEAR they were going to be used nation wide, he should have been smart enough to start telling his base to use them because the other side are in large numbers.
But instead, Trump being Trump, he couldn't let something go and stood there numerous times telling his base to not use them... it's unconstitutional... they won't be counted. That move hurt his numbers in a BIG way. Obviously. As poll supervisors stated all across the nation, in person ballots were counted first. Then mail in ballots. Before mail in ballots... Trump was the clear winner. As soon as the mail ballots were counted - they were 10-1 for Biden. And his lead vanished.

No. His ballots would have been thrown out if they were mailed in in large numbers.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

... by so vehemently attacking mail-in ballots? Turning his base against them when obviously the mail in ballots are what is going to give Biden the Presidency?
You have to ask yourself what is reality?
1) Is the election irregularities such as in PA what made Biden win? Really?
2) Or is it the MILLIONS of mail in ballots with his name on them?

Trump was right to be concerned about the security issues of mail in voting, but when it was CLEAR they were going to be used nation wide, he should have been smart enough to start telling his base to use them because the other side are in large numbers.
But instead, Trump being Trump, he couldn't let something go and stood there numerous times telling his base to not use them... it's unconstitutional... they won't be counted. That move hurt his numbers in a BIG way. Obviously. As poll supervisors stated all across the nation, in person ballots were counted first. Then mail in ballots. Before mail in ballots... Trump was the clear winner. As soon as the mail ballots were counted - they were 10-1 for Biden. And his lead vanished.

Trump had dreams of disallowing mail in votes that weren't counted on the 3rd. No idea why he was stupid enough to think that would happen, but it's what he based his hopes on.

Because he is Trump.
70 yo billionaires tend to be extremely hard-headed and think they know everything.
This - the point of the thread.
I supported his initial gripes about mail-in. Anyone interested in a legal election should feel the same. BUT once it was clear mail-ins were going to be used... he should have realized that a LOT of people were going to use them (and I am sure someone told him...but again.. Trunp doesn't listen to people)
Just like I said... like drive thu windows quadrupled fast food sales - mail in voting will increase vote counts because people are fucking lazy.
He should have known this and embraced it once he knew they were going to be used.

 

[Crepitus]

... by so vehemently attacking mail-in ballots? Turning his base against them when obviously the mail in ballots are what is going to give Biden the Presidency?
You have to ask yourself what is reality?
1) Is the election irregularities such as in PA what made Biden win? Really?
2) Or is it the MILLIONS of mail in ballots with his name on them?

Trump was right to be concerned about the security issues of mail in voting, but when it was CLEAR they were going to be used nation wide, he should have been smart enough to start telling his base to use them because the other side are in large numbers.
But instead, Trump being Trump, he couldn't let something go and stood there numerous times telling his base to not use them... it's unconstitutional... they won't be counted. That move hurt his numbers in a BIG way. Obviously. As poll supervisors stated all across the nation, in person ballots were counted first. Then mail in ballots. Before mail in ballots... Trump was the clear winner. As soon as the mail ballots were counted - they were 10-1 for Biden. And his lead vanished.

No he didn't shoot himself in the foot if they were tossing the real mail in ballots and replacing them with their own made up ballots in excess.

Fake news

You wish... I'm sure.

I don't need to wish, it's a fact.

 

[Mac-7]

The problem with mail in voting is chain of command.

It doesn't exist

Sure there's a chain of command.
I live in Philly, there were PSAs telling people how to handle your ballot.
The ballot has a bar code that contains the voter's name.
You fill it out properly, mail it waaaaaaay ahead of time so that Trump's fucking prick DeJoy can't fuck with it.
Wait about a week and then log on to votepa.gov and look your ballot up to get confirmation of receipt and validity.
Worked like a charm.

I knew my vote wouldn't be counted until either yesterday or today.
The "red mirage" was exactly that.
Millions upon millions voted by mail.
Just like Trump used to do.

I didnt get a mail-in ballot

was it never sent because I’m a registered republican?

or did someone get to it before I did?

Probably because you are a republican. Now they have your address, and will come to get your guns and throw you in one of those FEMA prisons until you agree to get gay married to an illegal alien who doesn't like to watch fox.

All of that is possible in time

but the immediate future is not that bad though still bad enough

do you care that the democrats cheated?

 

[BULLDOG]

The problem with mail in voting is chain of command.

It doesn't exist

Sure there's a chain of command.
I live in Philly, there were PSAs telling people how to handle your ballot.
The ballot has a bar code that contains the voter's name.
You fill it out properly, mail it waaaaaaay ahead of time so that Trump's fucking prick DeJoy can't fuck with it.
Wait about a week and then log on to votepa.gov and look your ballot up to get confirmation of receipt and validity.
Worked like a charm.

I knew my vote wouldn't be counted until either yesterday or today.
The "red mirage" was exactly that.
Millions upon millions voted by mail.
Just like Trump used to do.

I didnt get a mail-in ballot

was it never sent because I’m a registered republican?

or did someone get to it before I did?

Probably because you are a republican. Now they have your address, and will come to get your guns and throw you in one of those FEMA prisons until you agree to get gay married to an illegal alien who doesn't like to watch fox.

All of that is possible in time

but the immediate future is not that bad though still bad enough

do you care that the democrats cheated?

I keep hearing that democrats cheated, but nobody has said how. Lots of innuendo and reference to some imagined illegal votes, but nobody has pointed out how that was done. Even more untrue claims of cheating when the courts have already determined those things weren't cheating.

 

[Zorro!]

... by so vehemently attacking mail-in ballots? Turning his base against them when obviously the mail in ballots are what is going to give Biden the Presidency?
You have to ask yourself what is reality?
1) Is the election irregularities such as in PA what made Biden win? Really?
2) Or is it the MILLIONS of mail in ballots with his name on them?

Trump was right to be concerned about the security issues of mail in voting, but when it was CLEAR they were going to be used nation wide, he should have been smart enough to start telling his base to use them because the other side are in large numbers.
But instead, Trump being Trump, he couldn't let something go and stood there numerous times telling his base to not use them... it's unconstitutional... they won't be counted. That move hurt his numbers in a BIG way. Obviously. As poll supervisors stated all across the nation, in person ballots were counted first. Then mail in ballots. Before mail in ballots... Trump was the clear winner. As soon as the mail ballots were counted - they were 10-1 for Biden. And his lead vanished.

If a vote counting precinct openly breaks the law in order to hide what they are doing, we are under no obligation to regard their work product as trustworthy. But, for now we only have the charges, we will need to show a little patience and wait for the evidence presentation.

All in all Conservatives had a strong election, even in unexpected places like California's Propositions. Woke United Airlines decided to endorse Prop 16 on November 3rd, just before 56% of California voters rejected this wrongheaded effort to authorize the State of California to engage in race and sex discrimination.

 

[Mac-7]

I keep hearing that democrats cheated, but nobody has said how.

If I were a democrat I coukd tell you all the ways they use to cheat in elections

because its not just one way, and its not by only a few easily identifiable people

we’ll see as the trump legal challenges move forward

but there is Projdct Veritas video of post office cheating that the FBI should be investigating

MSN

 

[BULLDOG]

I keep hearing that democrats cheated, but nobody has said how.

If I were a democrat I coukd tell you all the ways they use to cheat in elections

because its not just one way, and its not by only a few easily identifiable people

we’ll see as the trump legal challenges move forward

but there is Projdct Veritas video of post office cheating that the FBI should be investigating

MSN

Yes, and we know that veritas has never manipulated their videos before --- right? Veritas is less credible than alex Jones, and he says there are green shape shifting space aliens all around us.

 

[Mac-7]

Yes, and we know that veritas has never manipulated their videos before --- right? Veritas is less credible than alex Jones, and he says there are green shape shifting space aliens all around us.

So far they have played the highest card

if you cant disprove it you lose

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, and we know that veritas has never manipulated their videos before --- right? Veritas is less credible than alex Jones, and he says there are green shape shifting space aliens all around us.

So far they have played the highest card

if you cant disprove it you lose

They got like minded crazies to believe their crap. Big deal.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

As far as fraud, there is enough testimony of fraud, history of fraud etc. in PA that there needs to be a complete recount with a completely different set of poll workers supervised by both sides.
Asbolutely.
Other states - I am not convinced there was enough shenanigans to overturn the results.
If Biden shows he won without PA.... then Trump lost.
But PA needs an overhaul, and some people need to go to jail.

 

[jbander]

Of course not. He got record turn out. If not for Cali and NY, Biden doesn't even have the Popular Vote.

Nearly one in every five Americans live in CA and NY.

That's like saying if you don't count the votes in WY AK SD ND MT WV ID KS OK MS AK IA UT KY LA AL SC MO and IN - which have roughly the same population combined as CA and NY combined - Biden would have won the EC easily.

So what you're saying is pretty silly.

Trump won the election. You cheated. No matter how it ends up. You are not Democrats. You are Progressive Socialists.

Whats a progressive socialist Nazi? If your saying democrats are socialist your just showing how laim you are and how little you know , they in no way are socialist as defined by socialist thmselves all the way back to Marx. Your just a group of mindless Nazi's and you are just that by all definitons of Nazi's.

 

[hjmick]

Did Trump shoot himself in the foot? Every time he opened his mouth or went on Twitter...

 

[jbander]

... by so vehemently attacking mail-in ballots? Turning his base against them when obviously the mail in ballots are what is going to give Biden the Presidency?
You have to ask yourself what is reality?
1) Is the election irregularities such as in PA what made Biden win? Really?
2) Or is it the MILLIONS of mail in ballots with his name on them?

Trump was right to be concerned about the security issues of mail in voting, but when it was CLEAR they were going to be used nation wide, he should have been smart enough to start telling his base to use them because the other side are in large numbers.
But instead, Trump being Trump, he couldn't let something go and stood there numerous times telling his base to not use them... it's unconstitutional... they won't be counted. That move hurt his numbers in a BIG way. Obviously. As poll supervisors stated all across the nation, in person ballots were counted first. Then mail in ballots. Before mail in ballots... Trump was the clear winner. As soon as the mail ballots were counted - they were 10-1 for Biden. And his lead vanished.

Trump had dreams of disallowing mail in votes that weren't counted on the 3rd. No idea why he was stupid enough to think that would happen, but it's what he based his hopes on.

Because he is Trump.
70 yo billionaires tend to be extremely hard-headed and think they know everything.
This - the point of the thread.
I supported his initial gripes about mail-in. Anyone interested in a legal election should feel the same. BUT once it was clear mail-ins were going to be used... he should have realized that a LOT of people were going to use them (and I am sure someone told him...but again.. Trunp doesn't listen to people)
Just like I said... like drive thu windows quadrupled fast food sales - mail in voting will increase vote counts because people are fucking lazy.
He should have known this and embraced it once he knew they were going to be used.

You can share this Nazi's opinion on mail in ballots but there still isn't one Iota of facts suggestion it is a problem