Disappearing Worlds

[Tommy Tainant]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And most of his fellow rightwing nitwits are just as idiotic.

 

[Tank]

So now you want Trump to build a wall?

 

[toobfreak]

Do you want Trump to tell him he's in a world of hurt and totally doomed? Want him to drain the Chesapeake? He can bring the Chinese in and they can build the place up on a landfill.

Bottom line, if you don't like water, don't live along the Sea. And if you don't like sand, don't live in the desert!

Please follow this story and let us know when the island goes under!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And most of his fellow rightwing nitwits are just as idiotic.

So it would seem.

I find these abandoned places fascinating. I think that its the Celt in me. But its one thing to run out of fish and quite another to sink into the ocean because Trump is owned by the fossil fuel companies.

 

[IanC]

Despite popular opinion and calls to action, the Maldives are not being overrun by sea level rise

Here is the skeptical flip side to the OP's story.

Who are you going to believe? Climate model output, or on-site observational data?

 

[Ringel05]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

Uuummmmm....... Let's see here, Report and study "suggests"........ Tangier Island is losing residents...... Residents who's primary source of is crab and oyster fishing........

https://www.conservationgateway.org/Documents/CBF-BadWatersReport.pdf

It's also affected oysters in the bay.

Smith Island is suffering the same fate and residents say the island has been slowly shrinking for centuries.
As for Tangier Island shrinking there definitely is erosion mostly due to storms, the Chesapeake can be harsh at times and possibly some rise in sea levels, don't that know for a fact but my point is the real reason people are leaving the island, a major decline in their primary industry.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

Uuummmmm....... Let's see here, Report and study "suggests"........ Tangier Island is losing residents...... Residents who's primary source of is crab and oyster fishing........

https://www.conservationgateway.org/Documents/CBF-BadWatersReport.pdf

It's also affected oysters in the bay.

Smith Island is suffering the same fate and residents say the island has been slowly shrinking for centuries.
As for Tangier Island shrinking there definitely is erosion mostly due to storms, the Chesapeake can be harsh at times and possibly some rise in sea levels, don't that know for a fact but my point is the real reason people are leaving the island, a major decline in their primary industry.

And the increasing erosion of the islands.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

And most of his fellow rightwing nitwits are just as idiotic.

Speaking of idiot. You should know better. But maybe not.

Many Islands have disappeared in the Chesapeake.

Sharps Island being one of the most memorable.

Eroded between 1850 and 1900.

Save the partisanship for your circle jerk. Tommy Tainant can be your pivot man.

We have done quite well in maintaining the Chesapeake.

Over the Centuries much of the bay shoreline has receded.

Mostly on the Western shoreline. From storms, wind and waves.

Lost to erosion are areas the size of Washington DC each Century.

 

[Ringel05]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

Uuummmmm....... Let's see here, Report and study "suggests"........ Tangier Island is losing residents...... Residents who's primary source of is crab and oyster fishing........

https://www.conservationgateway.org/Documents/CBF-BadWatersReport.pdf

It's also affected oysters in the bay.

Smith Island is suffering the same fate and residents say the island has been slowly shrinking for centuries.
As for Tangier Island shrinking there definitely is erosion mostly due to storms, the Chesapeake can be harsh at times and possibly some rise in sea levels, don't that know for a fact but my point is the real reason people are leaving the island, a major decline in their primary industry.

And the increasing erosion of the islands.

That's a postulation made by some and possibly partially true. I used to live in the DC metro area, for the last 40 + years the Chesapeake Bay has been constantly in the news specifically the crabbing and oyster industry that has been in serious decline due to over harvesting and the pollution in the bay. Having been on and hiked along the Chesapeake bay numerous times over those decades I personally noted no rise in water levels.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Tangier Island's plight has been on the local news several times over the past year or so. It used to be a nice "day trip" destination for "getting away from it all," taking a walk on a quiet beach, having a simple meal, etc. and returning home refreshed and reinvigorated. Perhaps it still is; I haven't been in ages. Even if it is, it won't for long be.

 

[usmbguest5318]

So now you want Trump to build a wall?

Well, seeing as Trump likes building things, building a wall to save Tangier Island may be more beneficial than building one one the U.S.-Mexico border. If the Dutch can do it to "keep out" the North Sea, so can we to keep the Chesapeake Bay out of Tangier Island.

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[Tommy Tainant]

It would be a shame to see it go under. It would also tick the box for a large infrastructure project.

 

[Old Rocks]

Do you want Trump to tell him he's in a world of hurt and totally doomed? Want him to drain the Chesapeake? He can bring the Chinese in and they can build the place up on a landfill.

Bottom line, if you don't like water, don't live along the Sea. And if you don't like sand, don't live in the desert!

Please follow this story and let us know when the island goes under!

Well, dumb shit, the problem is that we are the cause of the rising seas. And telling people lies does not help people get ready to meet the inevitable.

 

[Old Rocks]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

Uuummmmm....... Let's see here, Report and study "suggests"........ Tangier Island is losing residents...... Residents who's primary source of is crab and oyster fishing........

https://www.conservationgateway.org/Documents/CBF-BadWatersReport.pdf

It's also affected oysters in the bay.

Smith Island is suffering the same fate and residents say the island has been slowly shrinking for centuries.
As for Tangier Island shrinking there definitely is erosion mostly due to storms, the Chesapeake can be harsh at times and possibly some rise in sea levels, don't that know for a fact but my point is the real reason people are leaving the island, a major decline in their primary industry.

And the increasing erosion of the islands.

That's a postulation made by some and possibly partially true. I used to live in the DC metro area, for the last 40 + years the Chesapeake Bay has been constantly in the news specifically the crabbing and oyster industry that has been in serious decline due to over harvesting and the pollution in the bay. Having been on and hiked along the Chesapeake bay numerous times over those decades I personally noted no rise in water levels.

Well, you personally, do not seem to be a very accurate in your observations.

USGS Chesapeake Bay Activities Science Summary - Sea-Level Rise and Chesapeake Bay
Modern Sea-Level Rise

Two major factors contribute to global sea-level rise: thermal expansion from increasing ocean heat content, and the melting of glaciers and the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets. Since about 2003, glaciers and ice sheets (fig. 2) have contributed a greater proportion of the global sea-level rise than thermal expansion (Meier and others, 2007; Cogley, 2009; Rignot, Bamber, and others, 2008; Rignot, Box, and others, 2008). Today’s glaciers and ice sheets store enough water to raise sea level by about 68 to 70 m. Calculated rates of global mean sea-level rise range from 1.7 to 3.2 mm/yr, depending on the time period examined (Cazenave and Llovel, 2010; Church and White, 2011). Detecting fluctuations in the rate of sea-level change can be difficult as a result of the short period of record of tide gages and chronological uncertainty in marsh paleo-sea-level studies (Larsen and Clark, 2006). Some key findings include:

• Chesapeake Bay tide-gage records and paleo-sea-level records from tidal marshes and the bay’s main stem, determined from sediment cores collected from 1995 to 2006 (fig. 1), show that rates of sea-level rise in Chesapeake Bay range from about 3.2 to 4.7 mm/yr depending on the location and period of record for each tide gage. These rates exceed the global average because the land is subsiding; therefore, the Chesapeake Bay area is more vulnerable than many other coastal regions to sea-level rise.
• The departure of sea-level trends in Chesapeake Bay from the global mean for the last century may not persist. Therefore, rates measured at tide gages do not necessarily reflect pre-20th century regional patterns, nor can they be expected to persist into the future.
  
• Estimates of local subsidence from groundwater withdrawal in parts of Virginia are 1.5 and 3.7 mm/yr for 1979–95 and 1982–95, respectively (Pope and Burbey, 2004). Subsidence is expected to increase with greater withdrawals.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

Uuummmmm....... Let's see here, Report and study "suggests"........ Tangier Island is losing residents...... Residents who's primary source of is crab and oyster fishing........

https://www.conservationgateway.org/Documents/CBF-BadWatersReport.pdf

It's also affected oysters in the bay.

Smith Island is suffering the same fate and residents say the island has been slowly shrinking for centuries.
As for Tangier Island shrinking there definitely is erosion mostly due to storms, the Chesapeake can be harsh at times and possibly some rise in sea levels, don't that know for a fact but my point is the real reason people are leaving the island, a major decline in their primary industry.

And the increasing erosion of the islands.

That's a postulation made by some and possibly partially true. I used to live in the DC metro area, for the last 40 + years the Chesapeake Bay has been constantly in the news specifically the crabbing and oyster industry that has been in serious decline due to over harvesting and the pollution in the bay. Having been on and hiked along the Chesapeake bay numerous times over those decades I personally noted no rise in water levels.

Well, you personally, do not seem to be a very accurate in your observations.

USGS Chesapeake Bay Activities Science Summary - Sea-Level Rise and Chesapeake Bay
Modern Sea-Level Rise

Two major factors contribute to global sea-level rise: thermal expansion from increasing ocean heat content, and the melting of glaciers and the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets. Since about 2003, glaciers and ice sheets (fig. 2) have contributed a greater proportion of the global sea-level rise than thermal expansion (Meier and others, 2007; Cogley, 2009; Rignot, Bamber, and others, 2008; Rignot, Box, and others, 2008). Today’s glaciers and ice sheets store enough water to raise sea level by about 68 to 70 m. Calculated rates of global mean sea-level rise range from 1.7 to 3.2 mm/yr, depending on the time period examined (Cazenave and Llovel, 2010; Church and White, 2011). Detecting fluctuations in the rate of sea-level change can be difficult as a result of the short period of record of tide gages and chronological uncertainty in marsh paleo-sea-level studies (Larsen and Clark, 2006). Some key findings include:

• Chesapeake Bay tide-gage records and paleo-sea-level records from tidal marshes and the bay’s main stem, determined from sediment cores collected from 1995 to 2006 (fig. 1), show that rates of sea-level rise in Chesapeake Bay range from about 3.2 to 4.7 mm/yr depending on the location and period of record for each tide gage. These rates exceed the global average because the land is subsiding; therefore, the Chesapeake Bay area is more vulnerable than many other coastal regions to sea-level rise.
• The departure of sea-level trends in Chesapeake Bay from the global mean for the last century may not persist. Therefore, rates measured at tide gages do not necessarily reflect pre-20th century regional patterns, nor can they be expected to persist into the future.
  
• Estimates of local subsidence from groundwater withdrawal in parts of Virginia are 1.5 and 3.7 mm/yr for 1979–95 and 1982–95, respectively (Pope and Burbey, 2004). Subsidence is expected to increase with greater withdrawals.

Its a pity that it isnt a billionaires playground. A solution would have been found.

 

[Ringel05]

Do you live anywhere near the Chesapeake? Have you been on or around it multiple times a year? I don't care what your stats say I only care what my eyes saw and as a scientist my powers of observation are extremely acute. Now to be fair I haven't been near the bay since 2011 so things could have changed

Trump Tells Island Disappearing Into The Sea Not To Worry

Trumps idiocy has reached a higher level.

Uuummmmm....... Let's see here, Report and study "suggests"........ Tangier Island is losing residents...... Residents who's primary source of is crab and oyster fishing........

https://www.conservationgateway.org/Documents/CBF-BadWatersReport.pdf

It's also affected oysters in the bay.

Smith Island is suffering the same fate and residents say the island has been slowly shrinking for centuries.
As for Tangier Island shrinking there definitely is erosion mostly due to storms, the Chesapeake can be harsh at times and possibly some rise in sea levels, don't that know for a fact but my point is the real reason people are leaving the island, a major decline in their primary industry.

And the increasing erosion of the islands.

That's a postulation made by some and possibly partially true. I used to live in the DC metro area, for the last 40 + years the Chesapeake Bay has been constantly in the news specifically the crabbing and oyster industry that has been in serious decline due to over harvesting and the pollution in the bay. Having been on and hiked along the Chesapeake bay numerous times over those decades I personally noted no rise in water levels.

Well, you personally, do not seem to be a very accurate in your observations.

USGS Chesapeake Bay Activities Science Summary - Sea-Level Rise and Chesapeake Bay
Modern Sea-Level Rise

Two major factors contribute to global sea-level rise: thermal expansion from increasing ocean heat content, and the melting of glaciers and the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets. Since about 2003, glaciers and ice sheets (fig. 2) have contributed a greater proportion of the global sea-level rise than thermal expansion (Meier and others, 2007; Cogley, 2009; Rignot, Bamber, and others, 2008; Rignot, Box, and others, 2008). Today’s glaciers and ice sheets store enough water to raise sea level by about 68 to 70 m. Calculated rates of global mean sea-level rise range from 1.7 to 3.2 mm/yr, depending on the time period examined (Cazenave and Llovel, 2010; Church and White, 2011). Detecting fluctuations in the rate of sea-level change can be difficult as a result of the short period of record of tide gages and chronological uncertainty in marsh paleo-sea-level studies (Larsen and Clark, 2006). Some key findings include:

• Chesapeake Bay tide-gage records and paleo-sea-level records from tidal marshes and the bay’s main stem, determined from sediment cores collected from 1995 to 2006 (fig. 1), show that rates of sea-level rise in Chesapeake Bay range from about 3.2 to 4.7 mm/yr depending on the location and period of record for each tide gage. These rates exceed the global average because the land is subsiding; therefore, the Chesapeake Bay area is more vulnerable than many other coastal regions to sea-level rise.
• The departure of sea-level trends in Chesapeake Bay from the global mean for the last century may not persist. Therefore, rates measured at tide gages do not necessarily reflect pre-20th century regional patterns, nor can they be expected to persist into the future.
  
• Estimates of local subsidence from groundwater withdrawal in parts of Virginia are 1.5 and 3.7 mm/yr for 1979–95 and 1982–95, respectively (Pope and Burbey, 2004). Subsidence is expected to increase with greater withdrawals.

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[Muhammed]

And most of his fellow rightwing nitwits are just as idiotic.

So it would seem.

I find these abandoned places fascinating. I think that its the Celt in me. But its one thing to run out of fish and quite another to sink into the ocean because Trump is owned by the fossil fuel companies.

What the hell does this have to do with the fossil fuel companies?

 

[toobfreak]

"Well, dumb shit, the problem is that we are the cause of the rising seas."

Hey Dumbshit! Dumbass! FaceFuck! HorseAss! Jackass! Morass! DivotBrain! MentalMoron! Idiopathic Troglodyte! You don't know the seas are rising much less what might be causing it. No one does, snootbrain. But guess what? At one time, all the water was bound up in ice and sea levels much lower. America was covered in glacier! Did we melt it? Nope! Glaciers come and glaciers go. Say it with me! Glaciers come and glaciers go. Do you think fossil fuels are contributing? Maybe. Maybe not. What's your solution, to plunge the world back to the 1750's and live by torch and gas lamp? Go to bed when it gets dark? Triple energy costs switching over to expensive alternate technologies and plunge the world into greater poverty? If you really hate civilization that much, nothing stopping you from moving to Borneo. I'll even front the ticket. Eventually in another hundred years or so, we will eventually improve technologies and ween ourselves off fossil fuels to cleaner alternatives and liberals can look to other arguments then why ice melts and things change, ITMT, same as with the argument against guns, smoking and fatty foods, if you are dumb enough to live at Sea Level where an inch rise in sea level is going to make or break your existence, maybe you ought to move! Or go the way of the Dodo bird and make more room for smarter people.

You see, if your argument holds true as promulgated on another thread that guns other people buy cost you money, that fatty foods others eat cost you money, and cigarettes others smoke costs you money and you shouldn't pick up the tab, THEN THE SAME ARGUMENT holds true for the assholes who choose to live 2 inches above sea level. WHY SHOULD I (and the rest of the world) pick up the tab for completely changing worldwide energy and industry or building a wall, etc., just for a problem YOU CAUSE by your desire to live at ocean's level??? ??? ??? You see, it is the same thing.

I know the Bay region very well, all my life I've had relatives out on the Delmarva Peninsula. Been on 50 and across the Bay Bridge a hundred times. Everything is fine down there unless you are stupid enough to live 5 inches above sea level. Me, I kinda like the idea of the Bay rising up------ MORE SEAFOOD FOR EVERYONE! But that just means that one of these days, a big storm surge will come in there from a hurricane and go right up the bay to DC and maybe wash out the entire Washington / Baltimore complex! Wash all the crooked politicians, rioters and looters out to sea never to be found again. A comforting thought. Ever think that maybe Tangiers Sound is SUPPOSED to be underwater? And maybe its brief, temporary appearance above water is the exception, not the rule.

"Its a pity that it isnt a billionaires playground. A solution would have been found"

There is that same old tired class-envy cry of the eternal victim. Solutions cost money you socialist. If you want the same solutions as the rich then maybe get off your fat ass and make more money, be productive, contribute more to society, then you can afford any solution you want, and the region will collect enough tax revenue from you and your rich friends to afford it.

 

[mamooth]

Who are you going to believe? Climate model output, or on-site observational data?

Here's what the on-site observational data says. Why are you ignoring it?

Data and Station Information for GAN II

In contrast, all Nils-Axel Mörner has is unsupported anecdotes and conspiracy rants. And he tries backing them up with faked images. For example, here's his image of the magic tree that he said had been in the same spot on the coast since 1950.

First, it's very obviously two different trees at two different spots.

Second, his new image is clearly a bad photoshop hack, being there's an obvious "seam" running through it,and the trunk doesn't even line up.

Nils-Axel Mörner is a fraud, and to support him is to support fraud.