Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

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I guess then none of us are Christians because we all sin, right? You have sinned before, right?

I continue to sin. I am constantly at war with my flesh. Perhaps a little more Biblical study so you might grasp what is taking place?

Then by your own logic, you can't be a Christian, right?

No. Were you to actually take the time to read your Bible and get up to snuff on what it actually teaches you would not continually amuse me with your dumb questions.

Well, explain it to me then in simple terms that a 6 year old can understand, ok? Because I am struggling to understand how a person can be a sin. Let's take a murder, Ok. The worst sin of all. Is a murderer a sin?

I thought I made it clear. NO!! There are only men and women. Murder is a sin. Being a man or a woman is not a sin. Is that simple enough?

It wasn't clear. Is a homosexual man a sinner just because he is attracted to other men?

 

[the_human_being]

Of course it is. Therefore, homosexuality is a sin.

Is homosexuality a sin or is homosexual sex a sin? Can a person be a sin?

You know the answer. Why do you ask? There are men. There are women. A murderer may be either male or female. It is the act which is the sin. God created the man and He created the woman.

I ask because I believe it is a difficult question for you to answer. Are you saying that a man who is attracted to another man sexually but does not commit the act of sex is a sinner?

Ding, the Bible is especially hard on Christians in this respect. A non-Christian must actually commit a sin before that sin is charged to his account. Jesus said that a Follower of His had only to THINK about committing the sin to be guilty.

Right, so your belief is that this is a special case of sin, whereby by virtue of his sexual attraction, this makes him a sinner for life, not able to be forgiven for his sins?

Don't you think this would have been one of the Commandments if it were such an egregious sin where there was no possibility for forgiveness?

Of course I don't believe that. Even serial murderers can be forgiven. Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

[the_human_being]

I continue to sin. I am constantly at war with my flesh. Perhaps a little more Biblical study so you might grasp what is taking place?

Then by your own logic, you can't be a Christian, right?

No. Were you to actually take the time to read your Bible and get up to snuff on what it actually teaches you would not continually amuse me with your dumb questions.

Well, explain it to me then in simple terms that a 6 year old can understand, ok? Because I am struggling to understand how a person can be a sin. Let's take a murder, Ok. The worst sin of all. Is a murderer a sin?

I thought I made it clear. NO!! There are only men and women. Murder is a sin. Being a man or a woman is not a sin. Is that simple enough?

It wasn't clear. Is a homosexual man a sinner just because he is attracted to other men?

How old are you Ding? Cheeze! No. Committing the homosexual act is the sin. The homosexual man is condemned for his past acts however unless he obtains forgiveness for his sins just as all of us are required to do.

 

[the_human_being]

Ding, let us look at King David. David was a man after God's own heart. David committed adultery and arraigned for the death in battle of Bathsheba's husband. God punished David by allowing the death of David and Bathsheba's son. He also forbid David's building of the Temple.

David prayed unceasingly and fasted. God forgave David but He still extracted punishment for David's sins.

The practicing homosexual is guilty of past homosexual acts. While he is unsaved, he may think about committing homosexual acts without charge. Once he confesses his past sins and receives forgiveness for those past sins and is saved, then he cannot even think about committing a homosexual act without penalty.

 

[Syriusly]

Check the sources of your links. Some Christers aren't happy unless they feel persecuted. This is their new warm and fuzzy.

So then you don't believe that gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

Oh I don't doubt that there are some gays who do have an axe to grind with Christians after centuries of persecution.

But then there are also gays who are Christians and part of Christian churches that welcome gay Christians.

There are a lot of churches who call themselves Christian churches who are not actually Christian according to the Bible.

I absolutely agree.

I bet we would disagree on what those churches are.

The wonderful thing about Christianity is that all of you think that you are the true Christians and all of those other 'Christians' are wrong.

No. We all rationalize that we are not broken. We rely on militant atheist - who are perfect - to remind us of it.

Oh like the militant Christians pretend to have perfect knowledge of Jesus and the Bible- and believe that everyone else is wrong.

 

[Syriusly]

I couldn't help but notice that there is quite a bit of animosity directed at Christians and I was wondering if maybe it was because Christians as a whole oppose gay marriage.

So... Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

On a slightly more serious note.

Do you realize the double standard here?

Christians persecuted homosexuals for centuries. Even today, many Christians churches condemn homosexuality.

The animosity started with the Christians towards the gays. Now that gays are not in the closet and not so easily persecuted, some Christians feel persecuted because some gay Americans act towards Christians as Christians have acted towards gays for decades.

It is rather ironic.

Double standard? No. We have not established that gays are persecuting Christians just yet. Irony? Yes. With that said, I don't believe that Christians are being persecuted by homosexuals. Christians persecute other Christians and militant atheist persecute them all. Really the question is are gay people likely to be militant atheists.

No.

 

[Syriusly]

I couldn't help but notice that there is quite a bit of animosity directed at Christians and I was wondering if maybe it was because Christians as a whole oppose gay marriage.

So... Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

On a slightly more serious note.

Do you realize the double standard here?

Christians persecuted homosexuals for centuries. Even today, many Christians churches condemn homosexuality.

The animosity started with the Christians towards the gays. Now that gays are not in the closet and not so easily persecuted, some Christians feel persecuted because some gay Americans act towards Christians as Christians have acted towards gays for decades.

It is rather ironic.

Christians are simply following the Bible's teachings. The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord.

Nope. The Bible says that sex between men is an abomination. Doesn't say a thing about homosexuality. Doesnt' say a thing about women having sex with women.

I suggest you spend some time reading the Book of Romans. Women do not get off free as you suppose.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So God punished people by having their women give up their 'natural use'

Where does God say that women have sex with each other is an abomination.

And is it as bad as those who disobey their parents or boast?

Question: Is Donald Trump an abomination to God?

 

[the_human_being]

So then you don't believe that gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

Oh I don't doubt that there are some gays who do have an axe to grind with Christians after centuries of persecution.

But then there are also gays who are Christians and part of Christian churches that welcome gay Christians.

There are a lot of churches who call themselves Christian churches who are not actually Christian according to the Bible.

I absolutely agree.

I bet we would disagree on what those churches are.

The wonderful thing about Christianity is that all of you think that you are the true Christians and all of those other 'Christians' are wrong.

No. We all rationalize that we are not broken. We rely on militant atheist - who are perfect - to remind us of it.

Oh like the militant Christians pretend to have perfect knowledge of Jesus and the Bible- and believe that everyone else is wrong.

Well actually, there is absolutely nothing to prevent you from reading the Bible for yourself.

 

[Syriusly]

Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people are more likely to be atheist than anyone else in the general population, a new survey has found. Nearly half of all LGBT adults surveyed said they were atheist, compared to 20% of the general population.

LGBT people more likely to be atheist than straights

Half of LGBT identify as Christians

REPORT: Half of LGB Americans Identify As Christian

The United States identifies itself as being a Christian nation.

No we don't.

Not one word about Jesus in the Constitution.

America was founded on Christian values.

Which 'Christian values' specifically? Even Thomas Jefferson couldn't really identify them- he didn't think that a single church actually advocated real "Christian values'

 

[Syriusly]

Oh I don't doubt that there are some gays who do have an axe to grind with Christians after centuries of persecution.

But then there are also gays who are Christians and part of Christian churches that welcome gay Christians.

There are a lot of churches who call themselves Christian churches who are not actually Christian according to the Bible.

I absolutely agree.

I bet we would disagree on what those churches are.

The wonderful thing about Christianity is that all of you think that you are the true Christians and all of those other 'Christians' are wrong.

No. We all rationalize that we are not broken. We rely on militant atheist - who are perfect - to remind us of it.

Oh like the militant Christians pretend to have perfect knowledge of Jesus and the Bible- and believe that everyone else is wrong.

Well actually, there is absolutely nothing to prevent you from reading the Bible for yourself.

Oh I have many times.

Which is why I enjoy this so much.

 

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Then by your own logic, you can't be a Christian, right?

No. Were you to actually take the time to read your Bible and get up to snuff on what it actually teaches you would not continually amuse me with your dumb questions.

Well, explain it to me then in simple terms that a 6 year old can understand, ok? Because I am struggling to understand how a person can be a sin. Let's take a murder, Ok. The worst sin of all. Is a murderer a sin?

I thought I made it clear. NO!! There are only men and women. Murder is a sin. Being a man or a woman is not a sin. Is that simple enough?

It wasn't clear. Is a homosexual man a sinner just because he is attracted to other men?

How old are you Ding? Cheeze! No. Committing the homosexual act is the sin. The homosexual man is condemned for his past acts however unless he obtains forgiveness for his sins just as all of us are required to do.

Ok, I agree with you here that is why I am confused when you said, " the Bible is especially hard on Christians in this respect." How is this sin any different than any other sin?

I understand the Bible pretty well, it's some of the things you have written that are confusing me. For instance when you referred to them as freaks. I don't really see how that was Biblical let alone what the Bible teaches us to do.

 

[Syriusly]

On a slightly more serious note.

Do you realize the double standard here?

Christians persecuted homosexuals for centuries. Even today, many Christians churches condemn homosexuality.

The animosity started with the Christians towards the gays. Now that gays are not in the closet and not so easily persecuted, some Christians feel persecuted because some gay Americans act towards Christians as Christians have acted towards gays for decades.

It is rather ironic.

Christians are simply following the Bible's teachings. The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord.

All sin is an an abomination unto the Lord.

Of course it is. Therefore, homosexuality is a sin.

Is homosexuality a sin or is homosexual sex a sin? Can a person be a sin?

You know the answer. Why do you ask? There are men. There are women. A murderer may be either male or female. It is the act which is the sin. God created the man and He created the woman.

Then why do you keep saying a homosexual cannot be a Christian?

 

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So then you don't believe that gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

Oh I don't doubt that there are some gays who do have an axe to grind with Christians after centuries of persecution.

But then there are also gays who are Christians and part of Christian churches that welcome gay Christians.

There are a lot of churches who call themselves Christian churches who are not actually Christian according to the Bible.

I absolutely agree.

I bet we would disagree on what those churches are.

The wonderful thing about Christianity is that all of you think that you are the true Christians and all of those other 'Christians' are wrong.

No. We all rationalize that we are not broken. We rely on militant atheist - who are perfect - to remind us of it.

Oh like the militant Christians pretend to have perfect knowledge of Jesus and the Bible- and believe that everyone else is wrong.

Sure... exactly like that. I guess the difference is that when my kind does it I speak out. Can you say the same?

 

[the_human_being]

I couldn't help but notice that there is quite a bit of animosity directed at Christians and I was wondering if maybe it was because Christians as a whole oppose gay marriage.

So... Do gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

On a slightly more serious note.

Do you realize the double standard here?

Christians persecuted homosexuals for centuries. Even today, many Christians churches condemn homosexuality.

The animosity started with the Christians towards the gays. Now that gays are not in the closet and not so easily persecuted, some Christians feel persecuted because some gay Americans act towards Christians as Christians have acted towards gays for decades.

It is rather ironic.

Christians are simply following the Bible's teachings. The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord.

Nope. The Bible says that sex between men is an abomination. Doesn't say a thing about homosexuality. Doesnt' say a thing about women having sex with women.

I suggest you spend some time reading the Book of Romans. Women do not get off free as you suppose.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So God punished people by having their women give up their 'natural use'

Where does God say that women have sex with each other is an abomination.

And is it as bad as those who disobey their parents or boast?

Question: Is Donald Trump an abomination to God?

Well, it states the obvious right there in Romans 1:32 that those who do the things listed in the preceding Scriptures are worthy of death so I read those things stated within those verses as being something God doesn't really like.

 

[Syriusly]

One of my nephews is gay, AND Christian. So guess that blows that out of the water. People need to stop generalizing and lumping together. We all have our own minds.

I'm not saying that all gays are hostile to religion. Just the ones that are militant atheists. It seems that there may be a cause and effect relationship.

I'm not saying that all Christians are hostile to gays. Just the ones that are militant Christians.

lol, good one. Fair enough. Are you gay?

Why do you care?

Because it goes to the character of the witness, which is you. If I know you are gay and you take unrealistic positions which have no basis of fact or reason, then I will know why. However, if you do take reasonable positions which are supported by fact and reason, then I can bow down and worship you for your objectivity and honesty. I would think that today my question would not be that big of a deal. Besides you seem to have some passion around this subject so I just assumed it touches a nerve.

So why do you assume gays take unrealistic positions?

Take my words at face value- who I am attracted to does not change what I am saying.

 

[Syriusly]

Check the sources of your links. Some Christers aren't happy unless they feel persecuted. This is their new warm and fuzzy.

So then you don't believe that gay people have an ax to grind with Christians?

Nope...many gay people ARE Christians.

Ok, what about the other ones?

Just like anyone who else is not Christian- the gays and straights who are not Christians- are duh- not Christians.

 

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There are a lot of churches who call themselves Christian churches who are not actually Christian according to the Bible.

I absolutely agree.

I bet we would disagree on what those churches are.

The wonderful thing about Christianity is that all of you think that you are the true Christians and all of those other 'Christians' are wrong.

No. We all rationalize that we are not broken. We rely on militant atheist - who are perfect - to remind us of it.

Oh like the militant Christians pretend to have perfect knowledge of Jesus and the Bible- and believe that everyone else is wrong.

Well actually, there is absolutely nothing to prevent you from reading the Bible for yourself.

Oh I have many times.

Which is why I enjoy this so much.

If you are enjoying this so much, then I'm not sure the message form the Bible sunk in very deep.

 

[Syriusly]

Oh I don't doubt that there are some gays who do have an axe to grind with Christians after centuries of persecution.

But then there are also gays who are Christians and part of Christian churches that welcome gay Christians.

There are a lot of churches who call themselves Christian churches who are not actually Christian according to the Bible.

I absolutely agree.

I bet we would disagree on what those churches are.

The wonderful thing about Christianity is that all of you think that you are the true Christians and all of those other 'Christians' are wrong.

Probably. Those that follow Biblical teachings recognize that homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord as are a lot of other things.

Like eating shellfish and cutting your beard.

You really are Biblically illiterate, aren't you? You really should know a little about your subject before engaging in a discussion.

No- I am quite Biblically literate which is why I am amused discussing things with faux Christians like you.

 

[the_human_being]

Christians are simply following the Bible's teachings. The Bible says homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord.

All sin is an an abomination unto the Lord.

Of course it is. Therefore, homosexuality is a sin.

Is homosexuality a sin or is homosexual sex a sin? Can a person be a sin?

You know the answer. Why do you ask? There are men. There are women. A murderer may be either male or female. It is the act which is the sin. God created the man and He created the woman.

Then why do you keep saying a homosexual cannot be a Christian?

Because, as I stated, there are men and women. Once the homosexual accepts Christ, he is no longer a homosexual but merely a man or a woman. A serial killer who accepts Christ is no longer a serial killer. He is a new creature.

 

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Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people are more likely to be atheist than anyone else in the general population, a new survey has found. Nearly half of all LGBT adults surveyed said they were atheist, compared to 20% of the general population.

LGBT people more likely to be atheist than straights

Half of LGBT identify as Christians

REPORT: Half of LGB Americans Identify As Christian

The United States identifies itself as being a Christian nation.

No we don't.

Not one word about Jesus in the Constitution.

America was founded on Christian values.

Which 'Christian values' specifically? Even Thomas Jefferson couldn't really identify them- he didn't think that a single church actually advocated real "Christian values'

I'm not going to argue with you over this. If you don't see it, then I doubt anything I write will change it. How come you never answered my question about your sexual orientation?