Do the rubes put away their Confederate flags on Veterans Day?

[Vandalshandle]

The OP is literally drizzling with that snobby, sneering, liberal elitist cold blood that keeps losing them elections. I'm a non-liberal, libertarian type from California (of all places) who's never been to the deep South and I still wish you South-hating liberal elitists would contract the terminal cancer of your choice.

I don't expect liberal brains (the size of the cherry Starburst I'm eating at this moment) to understand this, but the whole Union/Confederacy thing is a settled issue. Settled 150 years ago. It doesn't benefit ANYONE, in any part of this country, to keep rehashing it over and over and over again. It doesn't do any good for people living today, whether northern or southern. What do you liberals hope to accomplish with all your bellyaching about the South or especially the Midwest, which feeds your petulant, piety-spewing, punk mouths with the most gigantic agricultural industry in the history of mankind?

While you are right that the entire Confederacy thing is not relevant to anything, I don't see why you are so upset over the controversy. I am a Southerner, and don't care what people think about the Civil War. I am proud of my great grandfather's part in fighting for Tennessee, regardless of what people think. On the other hand, the confederate flag no longer has anything to do with the Civil War. It is now a symbol of racism.

While the Southern aristocracy was fighting for slavery, they had convinced the poor man in the South to fight for their state's independence and freedom from tyranny, which was, of course, just a manipulative tool for those whose economy was threatened by the end of slavery. Frankly, just like the Northerner, who did not want to die to free blacks, the Whites in the South would never have agreed to die to keep them enslaved. They had no use for blacks, one way or the other.

 

[martybegan]

ya know , since the confederates killed more us troops than any enemy ever . I would think I’d be a little bit disrespectful.

The whole thing after the Civil war was to heal the nation, so both sides have been recognized as american soldiers.

Goddam that is funny x a zillion.

See this symbol? you can by bandanas, t- shirts whatever you want online or in stores, even kids toys, but it was the symbol of our enemies. yes, the hated japanese who impaled philippino babies on their bayonetes.
hard to believe they are our friends now aint it? Can we make war on them again because they are selling their damn flag all over the country? do family decendants of Japanese soldiers have a right to honor their fallen?
Honestly I think they do, whether they were right or wrong, they paid for that war in their own blood.

Wise people learn there is a time to just get over it. You wana start getting wise someday?


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Wise people are the ones that figure out early that there probably was no legitimate reason for the war in the first place.

And "sorry doesn't un-break the lamp." Some form of conflict was inevitable given the disparate ways each side was developing via industrialization, slavery just poisoned it to the point of a shooting war.

 

[Yarddog]

The OP is literally drizzling with that snobby, sneering, liberal elitist cold blood that keeps losing them elections. I'm a non-liberal, libertarian type from California (of all places) who's never been to the deep South and I still wish you South-hating liberal elitists would contract the terminal cancer of your choice.

I don't expect liberal brains (the size of the cherry Starburst I'm eating at this moment) to understand this, but the whole Union/Confederacy thing is a settled issue. Settled 150 years ago. It doesn't benefit ANYONE, in any part of this country, to keep rehashing it over and over and over again. It doesn't do any good for people living today, whether northern or southern. What do you liberals hope to accomplish with all your bellyaching about the South or especially the Midwest, which feeds your petulant, piety-spewing, punk mouths with the most gigantic agricultural industry in the history of mankind?

While you are right that the entire Confederacy thing is not relevant to anything, I don't see why you are so upset over the controversy. I am a Southerner, and don't care what people think about the Civil War. I am proud of my great grandfather's part in fighting for Tennessee, regardless of what people think. On the other hand, the confederate flag no longer has anything to do with the Civil War. It is now a symbol of racism.

While the Southern aristocracy was fighting for slavery, they had convinced the poor man in the South to fight for their state's independence and freedom from tyranny, which was, of course, just a manipulative tool for those whose economy was threatened by the end of slavery. Frankly, just like the Northerner, who did not want to die to free blacks, the Whites in the South would never have agreed to die to keep them enslaved. They had no use for blacks, one way or the other.

Its a good point you make. Today most people think just of two sides - the North and South, but back in those days people were really much more provincial, such as your great grandfather who was being loyal to his state of Tennessee, and most likely fighting for his neighbors. In those days it would have just been the thing to do, you would fight from where you were from. I think they get judged by some people today who would like to make them more sophisticated or more demonized perhaps because today we have the luxury of looking backwards in time

 

[Yarddog]

ya know , since the confederates killed more us troops than any enemy ever . I would think I’d be a little bit disrespectful.

The whole thing after the Civil war was to heal the nation, so both sides have been recognized as american soldiers.

Goddam that is funny x a zillion.

See this symbol? you can by bandanas, t- shirts whatever you want online or in stores, even kids toys, but it was the symbol of our enemies. yes, the hated japanese who impaled philippino babies on their bayonetes.
hard to believe they are our friends now aint it? Can we make war on them again because they are selling their damn flag all over the country? do family decendants of Japanese soldiers have a right to honor their fallen?
Honestly I think they do, whether they were right or wrong, they paid for that war in their own blood.

Wise people learn there is a time to just get over it. You wana start getting wise someday?


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Wise people are the ones that figure out early that there probably was no legitimate reason for the war in the first place.

hindsight is 20-20 as they say

 

[Peach]

ya know , since the confederates killed more us troops than any enemy ever . I would think I’d be a little bit disrespectful.

I don't even own a confederate flag but it it triggers you (and those like you) that badly I go out and buy one now and run it up the flagpole.

Made in China, I'm sure.

Most likely....... Unless I can get an original.........

Welp, it just showed up in the mail and here it is!!

Not the Stars n' Bars, nor the Battle Flags, Today was for the Stars and Stripes. You will find it somewhere.....I do not know if it is your heart though.

 

[Ringel05]

ya know , since the confederates killed more us troops than any enemy ever . I would think I’d be a little bit disrespectful.

I don't even own a confederate flag but it it triggers you (and those like you) that badly I go out and buy one now and run it up the flagpole.

Made in China, I'm sure.

Most likely....... Unless I can get an original.........

Welp, it just showed up in the mail and here it is!!

Not the Stars n' Bars, nor the Battle Flags, Today was for the Stars and Stripes. You will find it somewhere.....I do not know if it is your heart though.

Uuummmmm, that was the flag that flew from 1777 to 1789 when our constitution at the time was the Articles of Confederation (ratified in 1781). For all intent and purposes a 'Confederate' flag. See what happens when one skips history classes.........
As for the rest of your BS......... Have a nice day.

 

[Ringel05]

ya know , since the confederates killed more us troops than any enemy ever . I would think I’d be a little bit disrespectful.

I don't even own a confederate flag but it it triggers you (and those like you) that badly I go out and buy one now and run it up the flagpole.

Made in China, I'm sure.

Most likely....... Unless I can get an original.........

Welp, it just showed up in the mail and here it is!!

Not the Stars n' Bars, nor the Battle Flags, Today was for the Stars and Stripes. You will find it somewhere.....I do not know if it is your heart though.

Uuummmmm, that was the flag that flew from 1777 to 1789 when our constitution at the time was the Articles of Confederation. For all intent and purposes a 'Confederate' flag. See what happens when one skips history classes.........
As for the rest of your BS......... Have a nice day.

Oh and I'm a Vienam Era vet.

 

[WillMunny]

The OP is literally drizzling with that snobby, sneering, liberal elitist cold blood that keeps losing them elections. I'm a non-liberal, libertarian type from California (of all places) who's never been to the deep South and I still wish you South-hating liberal elitists would contract the terminal cancer of your choice.

I don't expect liberal brains (the size of the cherry Starburst I'm eating at this moment) to understand this, but the whole Union/Confederacy thing is a settled issue. Settled 150 years ago. It doesn't benefit ANYONE, in any part of this country, to keep rehashing it over and over and over again. It doesn't do any good for people living today, whether northern or southern. What do you liberals hope to accomplish with all your bellyaching about the South or especially the Midwest, which feeds your petulant, piety-spewing, punk mouths with the most gigantic agricultural industry in the history of mankind?

While you are right that the entire Confederacy thing is not relevant to anything, I don't see why you are so upset over the controversy. I am a Southerner, and don't care what people think about the Civil War. I am proud of my great grandfather's part in fighting for Tennessee, regardless of what people think. On the other hand, the confederate flag no longer has anything to do with the Civil War. It is now a symbol of racism.

While the Southern aristocracy was fighting for slavery, they had convinced the poor man in the South to fight for their state's independence and freedom from tyranny, which was, of course, just a manipulative tool for those whose economy was threatened by the end of slavery. Frankly, just like the Northerner, who did not want to die to free blacks, the Whites in the South would never have agreed to die to keep them enslaved. They had no use for blacks, one way or the other.

I think you may be misunderstanding me a bit: my point is that liberal Northerners spewing mindless hatred at the South over Trump-Derangement-Syndrome psychosis doesn't do yankees or rebels any good of any kind. I'm saying there's NOTHING positive to be gained by this magnitude of today's liberal North/South hatred. Regardless of the sections of America from which you and I hail. I simply don't care about antebellum Civil War slavery issues today one way or the other.

 

[Peach]

I got over the trickery real fast. From Robert E. Lee after the fall:

Now there were men who came with smouldering eyes to Lee and said: "Let's not accept this result as final. Let's keep our anger alive. Let's be grim and unconvinced, and wear our bitterness like a medal. You can be our leader in this."

But Lee shook his head at those men. "Abandon your animosities," he said, "and make your sons Americans."

And what did he do himself when his war was lost? He took a job as president of a tiny college, with forty students and four profes- sors, at a salary of $1500 a year. He had commanded thousands of young men in battle. Now he wanted to prepare a few hun- dred of them for the duties of peace. So the countrymen of Robert E. Lee saw how a born winner loses, and it seemed to them that in defeat he won his most lasting victory.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I got over the trickery real fast. From Robert E. Lee after the fall:

Now there were men who came with smouldering eyes to Lee and said: "Let's not accept this result as final. Let's keep our anger alive. Let's be grim and unconvinced, and wear our bitterness like a medal. You can be our leader in this."

But Lee shook his head at those men. "Abandon your animosities," he said, "and make your sons Americans."

And what did he do himself when his war was lost? He took a job as president of a tiny college, with forty students and four profes- sors, at a salary of $1500 a year. He had commanded thousands of young men in battle. Now he wanted to prepare a few hun- dred of them for the duties of peace. So the countrymen of Robert E. Lee saw how a born winner loses, and it seemed to them that in defeat he won his most lasting victory.

He also applied for a pardon from the federal government, which was "misplaced" and never granted. His request was found years after he had died. Of course, he also lost everything he owned, including his Arlington estate.

 

[Peach]

I got over the trickery real fast. From Robert E. Lee after the fall:

Now there were men who came with smouldering eyes to Lee and said: "Let's not accept this result as final. Let's keep our anger alive. Let's be grim and unconvinced, and wear our bitterness like a medal. You can be our leader in this."

But Lee shook his head at those men. "Abandon your animosities," he said, "and make your sons Americans."

And what did he do himself when his war was lost? He took a job as president of a tiny college, with forty students and four profes- sors, at a salary of $1500 a year. He had commanded thousands of young men in battle. Now he wanted to prepare a few hun- dred of them for the duties of peace. So the countrymen of Robert E. Lee saw how a born winner loses, and it seemed to them that in defeat he won his most lasting victory.

He also applied for a pardon from the federal government, which was "misplaced" and never granted. His request was found years after he had died. Of course, he also lost everything he owned, including his Arlington estate.

I thought it been granted in recent years; Lee was offered the top post in the Union Army, but, yes, went with his state. I have an oath from a Confederate, who was able to become a US citizen agin. Still Lee did command an Army of traitors.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I got over the trickery real fast. From Robert E. Lee after the fall:

Now there were men who came with smouldering eyes to Lee and said: "Let's not accept this result as final. Let's keep our anger alive. Let's be grim and unconvinced, and wear our bitterness like a medal. You can be our leader in this."

But Lee shook his head at those men. "Abandon your animosities," he said, "and make your sons Americans."

And what did he do himself when his war was lost? He took a job as president of a tiny college, with forty students and four profes- sors, at a salary of $1500 a year. He had commanded thousands of young men in battle. Now he wanted to prepare a few hun- dred of them for the duties of peace. So the countrymen of Robert E. Lee saw how a born winner loses, and it seemed to them that in defeat he won his most lasting victory.

He also applied for a pardon from the federal government, which was "misplaced" and never granted. His request was found years after he had died. Of course, he also lost everything he owned, including his Arlington estate.

I thought it been granted in recent years; Lee was offered the top post in the Union Army, but, yes, went with his state. I have an oath from a Confederate, who was able to become a US citizen agin. Still Lee did command an Army of traitors.

And history is written by the victors. Until the end of the American revolution, every American patriot was a traitor.

 

[Yarddog]

I got over the trickery real fast. From Robert E. Lee after the fall:

Now there were men who came with smouldering eyes to Lee and said: "Let's not accept this result as final. Let's keep our anger alive. Let's be grim and unconvinced, and wear our bitterness like a medal. You can be our leader in this."

But Lee shook his head at those men. "Abandon your animosities," he said, "and make your sons Americans."

And what did he do himself when his war was lost? He took a job as president of a tiny college, with forty students and four profes- sors, at a salary of $1500 a year. He had commanded thousands of young men in battle. Now he wanted to prepare a few hun- dred of them for the duties of peace. So the countrymen of Robert E. Lee saw how a born winner loses, and it seemed to them that in defeat he won his most lasting victory.

He also applied for a pardon from the federal government, which was "misplaced" and never granted. His request was found years after he had died. Of course, he also lost everything he owned, including his Arlington estate.

I thought it been granted in recent years; Lee was offered the top post in the Union Army, but, yes, went with his state. I have an oath from a Confederate, who was able to become a US citizen agin. Still Lee did command an Army of traitors.

Sure, an army of traitors but, if the men who fought against them, killed them and were killed by them, ...people mind you who were much more intimately close to them than all of todays armchair historians were able to find peace with them and allow them back into the fold so to speak, then who are we to feel that we need to keep revisiting the past in a way that is not just revisiting history to learn from it, but in a way that makes it personal all over again? Sure there were anomalies like the KKK and other low life spin offs from the war but for the most part people recognized the importance of really letting it become bygones be bygones for the good of the country. Of course civil rights did not happen nearly quickly enough for everyone but that was not the fault of those who fought in the civil war.

 

[fncceo]

Confederate soldiers are veterans too.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Timmy has got to be the reincarnation of someone, just can’t remember who...

How dare you insult Lou Costello! For shame!

 

[Yarddog]

Confederate soldiers are veterans too.

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure those Confederates were responsible for KFC

 

[Vandalshandle]

Confederate soldiers are veterans too.

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure those Confederates were responsible for KFC

Well, not actually, Sanders promoted himself to Colonel. I guess that it would might have been unwise to stretch it it General Sanders.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Besides that, Kentucky is kind of embarrassed to admit that they never joined the Confederacy.

 

[Yarddog]

Besides that, Kentucky is kind of embarrassed to admit that they never joined the Confederacy.

Well with Chicken that taste like that, they should have been part of the Confederacy

 

[Yarddog]

I must have been confusing that scene from the Water Boy