Do We Really Need 18% of the Fed Gov?

[Billy000]

Are they considered non-essential?

Where is this "non-essential" crap coming from? Who is saying this?

That's how these departments determine who they furlough. If the employee is non-essential, they aren't required to operate the main functions of the agency. Hence, non-essential.

In the private sector, this is a routine undertaking when scaling back due to a loss of revenue or a tax increaase. Federal workers aren't demi-gods because they work for taxpayers.

These agencies could probably trima lot more fat to decrease taxpayer burden.

You are just making shit up. You obviously have no idea what this shut down means and what it affects. Yeah essential employees are on furlough. That is what happens when radicals close our government. This isn't standard procedure.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The agencies furloughed "non-essential employees".

 

[Billy000]

The agencies furloughed "non-essential employees".

Um, no. No besides you or Rabbi have called these employees non essential. You're living in a fantasy land.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Apparently, it is you who does not understand this shutdown.

You can use your google too! It will help you to understand who was furloughed from these departments adn agencies. Be careful! You might not like what you see, as these furloughed employees are considered non-essential.

You might have your little bubble shattered....

 

[Vox]

We obviously DO NOT. As the last week has proved beyond the reasonable doubt.

That's why th left is almost in hysteria.

 

[Vox]

Are they considered non-essential?

Where is this "non-essential" crap coming from? Who is saying this?

That's how these departments determine who they furlough. If the employee is non-essential, they aren't required to operate the main functions of the agency. Hence, non-essential.

In the private sector, this is a routine undertaking when scaling back due to a loss of revenue or a tax increaase. Federal workers aren't demi-gods because they work for taxpayers.

These agencies could probably trima lot more fat to decrease taxpayer burden.

^this

 

[thanatos144]

Where is this "non-essential" crap coming from? Who is saying this?

That's how these departments determine who they furlough. If the employee is non-essential, they aren't required to operate the main functions of the agency. Hence, non-essential.

In the private sector, this is a routine undertaking when scaling back due to a loss of revenue or a tax increaase. Federal workers aren't demi-gods because they work for taxpayers.

These agencies could probably trima lot more fat to decrease taxpayer burden.

^this

Just because it is correct doesn't make it easy.

 

[Vox]

That's how these departments determine who they furlough. If the employee is non-essential, they aren't required to operate the main functions of the agency. Hence, non-essential.

In the private sector, this is a routine undertaking when scaling back due to a loss of revenue or a tax increaase. Federal workers aren't demi-gods because they work for taxpayers.

These agencies could probably trima lot more fat to decrease taxpayer burden.

^this

Just because it is correct doesn't make it easy.

life is not easy, junior
it has gone to the point when the right thing of cutting the fat should be done - if we ever want to recover.
and yes, It is not only cutting the fat of the big government. It should be paired with getting rid of the shackles on the small business which has crippled this economy - then there won't be to much problem with job placcement for those cut off

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Nobody said life would be easy, Cork. And these people are paid through taxation, making them economically non-productive. Imagine how it feels to be taxed at 42% of your income and not ever benefit from any of these "services".

 

[auditor0007]

This shutdown has proven pretty conclusively that the fed gov is grossly bloated and inefficient. They have laid off 18% of their workers (the "non-essential ones". If they're non essential, why do we need them?). What has been the result? Virtually nothing. If Obama hadn't spend money and man power barrycading open air monuments, no one would have noticed.
How many reports of bacteria-laced food have you seen, with the absence of food inspectors? Yeah, none. Because companies have lots to lose selling spoiled food. So they take steps to make sure it doesn't happen.
How many additional incidences of dangerous things happening have you read about? None. Companies are invested in safety. And generally do a better job than outside regulators, because they knwo the dangers better.
Even the parks could easily be handled well: states can take over responsibilityu for their upkeep. Imagine some company like IBM or Apple stepping forward and agreeing to pick up the tab for maintaining the Lincoln Memorial. If offered the chance, do you really they'd refuse?
Bottom line: we dont' need most of the things the federal gov't does. And what we do need they do badly.

Why would a state take over the upkeep of a park they do not own. National Parks are owned by the federal government. Most states do have their own state parks to maintain. Or do you just suggest we pass the bill on to the states, so that way the states have to raise taxes? As for the food thing; give it time. The main reason food distributors do care about quality control is because they know somebody is watching them. Why do you think we have food inspectors? Do you believe we just put them there despite the fact food distributors were doing such a great job of quality control?

 

[thanatos144]

^this

Just because it is correct doesn't make it easy.

life is not easy, junior
it has gone to the point when the right thing of cutting the fat should be done - if we ever want to recover.
and yes, It is not only cutting the fat of the big government. It should be paired with getting rid of the shackles on the small business which has crippled this economy - then there won't be to much problem with job placcement for those cut off

Junior? LOL I am far to old to be that. I didn't say we shouldn't cut to fat I said it isnt going to be easy getting it done.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The agencies furloughed "non-essential employees".

Um, no. No besides you or Rabbi have called these employees non essential. You're living in a fantasy land.

Yes, they furloughed non essential employees.

 

[thanatos144]

I want 18% of my fucking taxes back !

 

[The Rabbi]

Were those furloughed considered non-essential?

Well the large majority of them were so I would say they they are essential.

That's LOLberal logic for you! Thanks for the laugh.

Billy has problems with logic. He thinks 18% is a huge figure. He obviously thinks "non-essential" means "we can't do without them." He probably also thinks "war means peace" and "We have always been at war with Oceania."

 

[The Rabbi]

This shutdown has proven pretty conclusively that the fed gov is grossly bloated and inefficient. They have laid off 18% of their workers (the "non-essential ones". If they're non essential, why do we need them?). What has been the result? Virtually nothing. If Obama hadn't spend money and man power barrycading open air monuments, no one would have noticed.
How many reports of bacteria-laced food have you seen, with the absence of food inspectors? Yeah, none. Because companies have lots to lose selling spoiled food. So they take steps to make sure it doesn't happen.
How many additional incidences of dangerous things happening have you read about? None. Companies are invested in safety. And generally do a better job than outside regulators, because they knwo the dangers better.
Even the parks could easily be handled well: states can take over responsibilityu for their upkeep. Imagine some company like IBM or Apple stepping forward and agreeing to pick up the tab for maintaining the Lincoln Memorial. If offered the chance, do you really they'd refuse?
Bottom line: we dont' need most of the things the federal gov't does. And what we do need they do badly.

Why would a state take over the upkeep of a park they do not own. National Parks are owned by the federal government. Most states do have their own state parks to maintain. Or do you just suggest we pass the bill on to the states, so that way the states have to raise taxes? As for the food thing; give it time. The main reason food distributors do care about quality control is because they know somebody is watching them. Why do you think we have food inspectors? Do you believe we just put them there despite the fact food distributors were doing such a great job of quality control?

States would do it because the parks generate revenue for them. Like Arizona.
The main reason food manufacturers (not distributors) care about quality is that if they develop a reputation for selling tainted products, or even inferior products, they will go out of business. The inspectors can levy a fine but a small fine to a business wont mean much. The natural incentive of the marketplace is a much bigger incentive than some inspector.

 

[The Rabbi]

The agencies furloughed "non-essential employees".

Um, no. No besides you or Rabbi have called these employees non essential. You're living in a fantasy land.

Yes, they furloughed non essential employees.

As if anyone needed proof:
Number of furloughed workers shrinks as shutdown drags on

 

[thereisnospoon]

So we don't need the dept of treasury, dept of commerce, and the FDA?

Were those furloughed considered non-essential?

Most of the dept of energy were. As well as...

EPA

Housing and Urban dept

Interior dept.

Should I keep going?

Sure..
Here's the rub. While these departments may have some sort of purpose, these depts also carry FAR TOO MANY employees.
They are overstaffed with non working people. There is no need to have 15 administrative(hypothetically) personnel for each enforcement agent.
All of the agencies that are in the business of enforcing laws and regulations are overstaffed with office personnel and do nothing managers. Managers who are in that position because they have "put in their time"...And according to the way GS pay scales work, these people must be promoted through the ranks based on their seniority. They serve little other purpose.
In the same vein, enforcement positions are woefully understaffed.
Yet, each of these departments gobble up money like it was Nathan's Famous on Memorial Day weekend in Coney Island.
Now all of the sudden the public have been alerted to the fact that "hey, maybe we CAN get buy without all these extra workers"....And a lot of people who's political career depend on those people voting don't like it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So we don't need the dept of treasury, dept of commerce, and the FDA?

Were those furloughed considered non-essential?

Most of the dept of energy were. As well as...

EPA

Housing and Urban dept

Interior dept.

Should I keep going?

Oh...Federal departments that should be eliminated..
Housing and Urban development..State matter
Education. State County and Municipal business.

Highway Authority....There is already a National Transportation Safety Board. Redundant services.
Department of labor...State matter. Another example of redundant services.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Most of the dept of energy were. As well as...

EPA

Housing and Urban dept

Interior dept.

Should I keep going?

Are they considered non-essential?

Where is this "non-essential" crap coming from? Who is saying this?

Every time is snows more than 3" in DC, 'non essential' personnel are given a paid day off.
Gotta love that nonsense.

 

[ba1614]

We should be able to do away with much more than 18%