Do You Believe Based on Evidence, Russia Changed Outcome of 2016 Election

[Thinker101]

My answer is no

-Geaux

You’d have to be a moron to think Russia didn’t affect the election.

Oh right

Then you must have the evidence, right?

do you think Russia wasted their time and money on the biggest election interference in our history....??

With hiring all the trolls working at their ''troll farm'', creating all the bots, hiring all the hackers to steal the DNC emails, then the DCCC emails, the 21 state voter registration info with analytics on them, the Podesta emails, laundering of money to hide tracks, working with wikileaks on the timing of the stolen email dumps with connected Journalists writing FAKE stories to go with the email dumps, infiltrating the NRA with campaign funds, creating American anti Hillary groups here in the USA, churning out fake news articles to the right wing blogosphere and Bernie blogosphere, spreading fake Facebook ads to millions of users, etc etc etc etc???

Do YOU REALLY think all of their comprehensive plan to interfere, did nothing?

Can you HONESTLY say that, Thinker?

I do not see how anyone can make this claim that their interference did nothing to affect the election....at best you can say, you don't know.... imo.

Ok, so you don't have evidence?

what kind of evidence will satisfy you, that you are looking for...?

The kind that's admissible in court.

 

[Care4all]

Democrats always have a reason for not winning a Presidential Election outside of “We Lost”:

2000- hanging chads and Bush “stealing” the election

2004- Bush rigged the Diebold voting machines in Ohio.

2016 - Trump colluded with Russians

Democrats feel entitled to get their way and when it doesn’t happen, people are going to pay.

Duplicitous Duopoly

By "entitled," are you revealing that they are the slime that oozed out of the plutocrats' trophy wives?

By entitled, I mean Democrats shit themselves when they lose and become vitriolic and violent.

Liberals Are Agents of the Right Wing; That's Why They Are Called "Limousine Liberals"

Where do they get that spoiled-brat attitude? All throughout childhood, their rich Daddies told them they were "Born to Rule," inheriting superior genes along with everything else they claim they got all on their own. They don't have minds of their own, either, but are totally controlled by illusions embedded during their sheltered youth. In immature but permanent rebellion, they may reject the politics of their Right Wing Daddies, but they never lose the unfounded conceit that all bossy and pushy spawn of the rich have.

Read Jane Fonda's silly autobiography. Its real focus is not her conformist Leftist delusions, but her hatred of her millionaire Daddy, who drove her mother to suicide.

Hillary Clinton was a devout campaign worker for the extreme Rightist, Goldwater. When that Barry lost in a landslide, she and her sordid sorority didn't change one bit; still wholly ruling class, they infiltrated the Democratic Party and imposed an anti-majority agenda on it. Notice how Right Wing bootlickers always preach to us that democracy is "mob rule"? Well, your fake Liberals believe exactly the same; what does that make them? "Deplorable" is not a political judgment; it is birth-class snobbery, nothing more.

Who would say I'm way off base? The ruling class's mind control; that's what Americans are trained to look up to for some fake choice on the totally owned specious spectrum.

Limousine Liberals are the most corrupt. A conservative Capitalist may be selfish and greedy but they are not trying to redistribute everyone’s wealth using the government as the vehicle and killing the Middle Class in the process.

THAT IS exactly what capitalists at the TOP do....

they buy influence to make the rules of the game in their favor....

you do know that....

 

[Care4all]

You’d have to be a moron to think Russia didn’t affect the election.

Oh right

Then you must have the evidence, right?

do you think Russia wasted their time and money on the biggest election interference in our history....??

With hiring all the trolls working at their ''troll farm'', creating all the bots, hiring all the hackers to steal the DNC emails, then the DCCC emails, the 21 state voter registration info with analytics on them, the Podesta emails, laundering of money to hide tracks, working with wikileaks on the timing of the stolen email dumps with connected Journalists writing FAKE stories to go with the email dumps, infiltrating the NRA with campaign funds, creating American anti Hillary groups here in the USA, churning out fake news articles to the right wing blogosphere and Bernie blogosphere, spreading fake Facebook ads to millions of users, etc etc etc etc???

Do YOU REALLY think all of their comprehensive plan to interfere, did nothing?

Can you HONESTLY say that, Thinker?

I do not see how anyone can make this claim that their interference did nothing to affect the election....at best you can say, you don't know.... imo.

Ok, so you don't have evidence?

what kind of evidence will satisfy you, that you are looking for...?

The kind that's admissible in court.

what would that be?

 

[Thinker101]

Then you must have the evidence, right?

do you think Russia wasted their time and money on the biggest election interference in our history....??

With hiring all the trolls working at their ''troll farm'', creating all the bots, hiring all the hackers to steal the DNC emails, then the DCCC emails, the 21 state voter registration info with analytics on them, the Podesta emails, laundering of money to hide tracks, working with wikileaks on the timing of the stolen email dumps with connected Journalists writing FAKE stories to go with the email dumps, infiltrating the NRA with campaign funds, creating American anti Hillary groups here in the USA, churning out fake news articles to the right wing blogosphere and Bernie blogosphere, spreading fake Facebook ads to millions of users, etc etc etc etc???

Do YOU REALLY think all of their comprehensive plan to interfere, did nothing?

Can you HONESTLY say that, Thinker?

I do not see how anyone can make this claim that their interference did nothing to affect the election....at best you can say, you don't know.... imo.

Ok, so you don't have evidence?

what kind of evidence will satisfy you, that you are looking for...?

The kind that's admissible in court.

what would that be?

Really!?
What Is Admissible Evidence? | LegalMatch Law Library

 

[Jantje_Smit]

what would that be?

An email from Putin instructing his spies to hack Hillary's server would be great

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

what would that be?

An email from Putin instructing his spies to hack Hillary's server would be great

And a list of Dems who voted for Trump because of a Russian meme.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

And a list of Dems who voted for Trump because of a Russian meme.

That too of course, I would almost say it's an insult to the voters to suggest that they base their votes on facebook ads

Almost... because a lot of them seem to think it it's a serious possibility...

 

[easyt65]

They manipulated election voting.
They ignored rules and acted in an attempt to gain an unfair advantage
They violated US election laws
They colluded with the US candidate to alter the election
They illegally funded the candidacy with illegal cash......


Of course I was talking about how Hillary and the Democrats:

Rigged their primaries
Cheated in debates
Engaged in election fraud
Colluded with/paid foreign spies and Russians in an attempt to illegally alter the election outcome
Stole donations intended for other candidates and used them on hers.

Hillary, Obama, Lynch, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, & Strzok did more to control the outcome of the 2016 election than the Russians did from 2014 - when Obama learned they had started trying to interfere yet did nothing about it - until 2016.

 

[jc456]

You don't think the Hack and release could have turned off under 1% of Bernie voters not to vote for Hillary?
Did you see the walk-outs/demos/interruptions at the convention?
70K in 3 Rust belt states where Bernie was popular was all it took.
`

The fact you posted this is amazing. Bernie got screwed by hitlery. We know it! Don’t you? You really think those voters would then vote for her? Really? Are you really that fkin stupid!

The fact that you posted that is An ADMISSION that the Exposing/publicizing of the RUSSIAN Hack By Wikileaks "screwed" Hillary.
We "know it" ONLY because OF the Hack.
You just self-destructed Clown boy.

Many Private conversations would screw many people if revealed.
Like any of the Trump-Putin/Trump-Oligarch ones.
Tho nothing/No amount of Dishonesty or Treason bothers Trumpov Cult supporters.
`

and your issue is what? Still haven't answered the actual question. no one gives a shit about any hack, they were concerned that the dnc was cheating. you need an education on life. WE love wikileaks. you should be directing your hate at the DNC for cheating? why doesn't that bother you at all? shame you like crooked parties in our country.

 

[Bush92]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

W is a W...L is an L.

Hillary knew the rules, and no one stopped her from campaigning in WI, IL, OH, and all the other states Trump campaigned in and caused him to beat Hillary.
I there were no electoral college, Trump would also have skipped WI, IL, OH, etc., and still won.

Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were the states that gave Trump the win,

And after the Russians stole the Wisconsin voters registrations and ANALYTICS on them is when at the last minute, the Trump campaign announced they were changing their tactics and going to campaign in that state, two weeks before the election.... Did the Russians supply these analytics to the Trump campaign that showed vulnerabilities in those states with Bernie supporters? What made the Trump team change their schedules to revisit those states at the last minute....?

This all goes deeper than pastry, (as Boss/Dixie poster used to say before he passed onward).....

We don't know a tenth of it yet.....

Don’t leave out Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Georgia. All states the liberal media promoted as in the column for the Hillary juggernaut.

 

[Bush92]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

W is a W...L is an L.

Yes, he WON, with a little help from his foreign friends!

Hillary had foreign friends. The illegals voted for her.

 

[Bush92]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

W is a W...L is an L.

Yes, he WON, with a little help from his foreign friends!

Bernie had the Russian help in the primary...that’s how DNC got hacked.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Democrats always have a reason for not winning a Presidential Election outside of “We Lost”:

2000- hanging chads and Bush “stealing” the election

2004- Bush rigged the Diebold voting machines in Ohio.

2016 - Trump colluded with Russians

Democrats feel entitled to get their way and when it doesn’t happen, people are going to pay.

Duplicitous Duopoly

By "entitled," are you revealing that they are the slime that oozed out of the plutocrats' trophy wives?

By entitled, I mean Democrats shit themselves when they lose and become vitriolic and violent.

Liberals Are Agents of the Right Wing; That's Why They Are Called "Limousine Liberals"

Where do they get that spoiled-brat attitude? All throughout childhood, their rich Daddies told them they were "Born to Rule," inheriting superior genes along with everything else they claim they got all on their own. They don't have minds of their own, either, but are totally controlled by illusions embedded during their sheltered youth. In immature but permanent rebellion, they may reject the politics of their Right Wing Daddies, but they never lose the unfounded conceit that all bossy and pushy spawn of the rich have.

Read Jane Fonda's silly autobiography. Its real focus is not her conformist Leftist delusions, but her hatred of her millionaire Daddy, who drove her mother to suicide.

Hillary Clinton was a devout campaign worker for the extreme Rightist, Goldwater. When that Barry lost in a landslide, she and her sordid sorority didn't change one bit; still wholly ruling class, they infiltrated the Democratic Party and imposed an anti-majority agenda on it. Notice how Right Wing bootlickers always preach to us that democracy is "mob rule"? Well, your fake Liberals believe exactly the same; what does that make them? "Deplorable" is not a political judgment; it is birth-class snobbery, nothing more.

Who would say I'm way off base? The ruling class's mind control; that's what Americans are trained to look up to for some fake choice on the totally owned specious spectrum.

Limousine Liberals are the most corrupt. A conservative Capitalist may be selfish and greedy but they are not trying to redistribute everyone’s wealth using the government as the vehicle and killing the Middle Class in the process.

THAT IS exactly what capitalists at the TOP do....

they buy influence to make the rules of the game in their favor....

you do know that....

Yes....... but they don’t lock in a true 1 percent when it comes to wealth creation and opportunity for individual prosperity. You are not naive to think that Elites in Communism, Socialism, Fascism do not purchase power and accumulate wealth as well? I never said Capitalists don’t try and purchase power to make rules. I do stand by the premise that Socialist, Communists, and Fascists necessarily eliminate opportunity for economic advancement for the individual. That is why I stand by keeping US decidedly Capitalist.

 

[PredFan]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

W is a W...L is an L.

Hillary knew the rules, and no one stopped her from campaigning in WI, IL, OH, and all the other states Trump campaigned in and caused him to beat Hillary.
I there were no electoral college, Trump would also have skipped WI, IL, OH, etc., and still won.

Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were the states that gave Trump the win,

And after the Russians stole the Wisconsin voters registrations and ANALYTICS on them is when at the last minute, the Trump campaign announced they were changing their tactics and going to campaign in that state, two weeks before the election.... Did the Russians supply these analytics to the Trump campaign that showed vulnerabilities in those states with Bernie supporters? What made the Trump team change their schedules to revisit those states at the last minute....?

This all goes deeper than pastry, (as Boss/Dixie poster used to say before he passed onward).....

We don't know a tenth of it yet.....

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

W is a W...L is an L.

Hillary knew the rules, and no one stopped her from campaigning in WI, IL, OH, and all the other states Trump campaigned in and caused him to beat Hillary.
I there were no electoral college, Trump would also have skipped WI, IL, OH, etc., and still won.

Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were the states that gave Trump the win,

And after the Russians stole the Wisconsin voters registrations and ANALYTICS on them is when at the last minute, the Trump campaign announced they were changing their tactics and going to campaign in that state, two weeks before the election.... Did the Russians supply these analytics to the Trump campaign that showed vulnerabilities in those states with Bernie supporters? What made the Trump team change their schedules to revisit those states at the last minute....?

This all goes deeper than pastry, (as Boss/Dixie poster used to say before he passed onward).....

We don't know a tenth of it yet.....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

W is a W...L is an L.

Hillary knew the rules, and no one stopped her from campaigning in WI, IL, OH, and all the other states Trump campaigned in and caused him to beat Hillary.
I there were no electoral college, Trump would also have skipped WI, IL, OH, etc., and still won.

Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were the states that gave Trump the win,

And after the Russians stole the Wisconsin voters registrations and ANALYTICS on them is when at the last minute, the Trump campaign announced they were changing their tactics and going to campaign in that state, two weeks before the election.... Did the Russians supply these analytics to the Trump campaign that showed vulnerabilities in those states with Bernie supporters? What made the Trump team change their schedules to revisit those states at the last minute....?

This all goes deeper than pastry, (as Boss/Dixie poster used to say before he passed onward).....

We don't know a tenth of it yet.....

Don’t leave out Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Georgia. All states the liberal media promoted as in the column for the Hillary juggernaut.

Remember when they said she could win Texas?

Can Hillary Clinton Win Texas and Turn the State Blue? - The Atlantic

 

[Care4all]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

W is a W...L is an L.

Yes, he WON, with a little help from his foreign friends!

Bernie had the Russian help in the primary...that’s how DNC got hacked.

simply B.S.
you OBVIOUSLY did not read the last indictment..... which spells out, precisely what was done in each of the hacks at the DNC, the DCCC, Podesta and the voter registration files of 21 states

what is it about people like you that makes you refuse to read anything other than conspiracy sites, and inform yourself?

Yes, Seth was such a Bernie fan that he accepted a job with the Clinton campaign to do the same work he did on registration that he did at the DNC when his job was completed at the DNC....

 

[Care4all]

Duplicitous Duopoly

By "entitled," are you revealing that they are the slime that oozed out of the plutocrats' trophy wives?

By entitled, I mean Democrats shit themselves when they lose and become vitriolic and violent.

Liberals Are Agents of the Right Wing; That's Why They Are Called "Limousine Liberals"

Where do they get that spoiled-brat attitude? All throughout childhood, their rich Daddies told them they were "Born to Rule," inheriting superior genes along with everything else they claim they got all on their own. They don't have minds of their own, either, but are totally controlled by illusions embedded during their sheltered youth. In immature but permanent rebellion, they may reject the politics of their Right Wing Daddies, but they never lose the unfounded conceit that all bossy and pushy spawn of the rich have.

Read Jane Fonda's silly autobiography. Its real focus is not her conformist Leftist delusions, but her hatred of her millionaire Daddy, who drove her mother to suicide.

Hillary Clinton was a devout campaign worker for the extreme Rightist, Goldwater. When that Barry lost in a landslide, she and her sordid sorority didn't change one bit; still wholly ruling class, they infiltrated the Democratic Party and imposed an anti-majority agenda on it. Notice how Right Wing bootlickers always preach to us that democracy is "mob rule"? Well, your fake Liberals believe exactly the same; what does that make them? "Deplorable" is not a political judgment; it is birth-class snobbery, nothing more.

Who would say I'm way off base? The ruling class's mind control; that's what Americans are trained to look up to for some fake choice on the totally owned specious spectrum.

Limousine Liberals are the most corrupt. A conservative Capitalist may be selfish and greedy but they are not trying to redistribute everyone’s wealth using the government as the vehicle and killing the Middle Class in the process.

THAT IS exactly what capitalists at the TOP do....

they buy influence to make the rules of the game in their favor....

you do know that....

Yes....... but they don’t lock in a true 1 percent when it comes to wealth creation and opportunity for individual prosperity. You are not naive to think that Elites in Communism, Socialism, Fascism do not purchase power and accumulate wealth as well? I never said Capitalists don’t try and purchase power to make rules. I do stand by the premise that Socialist, Communists, and Fascists necessarily eliminate opportunity for economic advancement for the individual. That is why I stand by keeping US decidedly Capitalist.

yep, much like Russia.... the Oligarchs, and Putin alone with $200 billion in assets...the richest man in the world today..., when he never worked a day in his life, other than a measly paying gvt job....

so yes, capitalism at the top is corrupt, but nothing like communism or fascism, like Russia....

it is the best system of all the corrupt systems....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Are you claiming only Dems changed their votes due to Russian propaganda, or voted instead of staying home?

Are you claiming only Dems changed their votes due to Russian propaganda,

Are you claiming Republicans changed their votes to Hillary due to Russian propaganda?

Are you claiming nobody changed their votes or voted when they otherwise would not have due to Russian propaganda?

I can’t answer for him but that’s exactly what I’m saying. There was no Russian Propaganda. It’s a fact that the DNC rigged the primaries. Fact, not propaganda.

Of course, there was a lot of Russian propaganda,so I can't tell if you are lying or delusional. Also, we are talking about the presidential election, not the primaries.

What propaganda.

You don't know? How odd....how can you not be in possession of the most basic, widely known facts of this topic?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The kind that's admissible in court

That's a copout. Don't Dodge the question. Answer it

 

[Care4all]

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

W is a W...L is an L.

Hillary knew the rules, and no one stopped her from campaigning in WI, IL, OH, and all the other states Trump campaigned in and caused him to beat Hillary.
I there were no electoral college, Trump would also have skipped WI, IL, OH, etc., and still won.

Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania were the states that gave Trump the win,

And after the Russians stole the Wisconsin voters registrations and ANALYTICS on them is when at the last minute, the Trump campaign announced they were changing their tactics and going to campaign in that state, two weeks before the election.... Did the Russians supply these analytics to the Trump campaign that showed vulnerabilities in those states with Bernie supporters? What made the Trump team change their schedules to revisit those states at the last minute....?

This all goes deeper than pastry, (as Boss/Dixie poster used to say before he passed onward).....

We don't know a tenth of it yet.....

Don’t leave out Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, and Georgia. All states the liberal media promoted as in the column for the Hillary juggernaut.

Remember when they said she could win Texas?

Can Hillary Clinton Win Texas and Turn the State Blue? - The Atlantic

Hillary Clinton lost Texas by a smaller margin than any Democrat since 1996.....