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Poll so far suggests, people with brains use them to make money.
Why else would you spend the time and money to go to school?
I went because I wanted to be educated.
Does seem like that would be a BA, doesn't it?
History and Literature = BA.
hey i was a lowly Letter Carrier ( with a Masters in Postology) and i was making more money than people with College Degrees who lived on the route.....
An education does increase a person's chances to work in higher paying professions but is not a guarantee of it. Some professions require higher degrees. But again, in my case, though I had the education, I did not have the certification - i.e. that diploma in hand - but employers have waived the certification to hire me for the last thirty years or so.
We wouldn't want the certification waived for medical doctors or certain other professions that require proof of completion of a prescribed course of study. But there is somebody on the bottom of every class at medical school too. And non certified personnel who know more medicine than some of those who graduate.
Probably all of us know at least one presumably very highly degreed person who is an absolute idiot. And at least one person with minimal formal schooling who has succeeded beyond all expectations. We do not need to scorn higher education and we can all learn from it. But it sure doesn't guarantee that we will be educated beings.
Some employers can do that. Not all. If you are going to practice as an NP you have to have the master's and the certification from one of the credentialing bodies like the ANCC. State law. Not a choice.
Poll so far suggests, people with brains use them to make money.
Why else would you spend the time and money to go to school?
I went because I wanted to be educated.
Nobody said its a conspiracy. But as I posted earlier it is a fact that higher education in the USA tilts very left. The fact that conservatives who gravitate to a site like USMB have been able to see through the liberalism of their education--or managed to get through school before higher education was so infused with liberalism--does not change the fact that higher education has become a bastion of liberalism. Again I will refer you to my previous post.
It has been my observation that those who are liberal (by the modern definition for U.S. liberals) are generally much more susceptible to dynamics of group think and are less well equipped to articulate a rationale for their point of view. Those who think for themselves can can articulate a rationale for their point of view. The later group, though all individuals in it are not immune to group think, do tend to be mostly conservative according to the definition of modern American conservatism.
Americans who graduate from American colleges and universities these days are conservative in spite of the education they most likely got.
This article from the Liberal Washington Post agree's, Foxfyre, that the majority of college professors are liberal. There are later studies stating the same conclusion, don't have time to link to them right now.
College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01
College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.
By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.
The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative.
College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds (washingtonpost.com)
Yes I posted an excerpt from that same article with link earlier Starlight. And it was mostly ignored by our more leftist friends as your post probably will be too. I do tend to run on though which probably makes my posts more conducive to skip over without reading. You tend to be much more succinct which on message boards is a virtue.
But again, the article underscores again my opinion that those who make it out of college as conservatives these days do so in spite of the education they receive. And, again, in my opinion that is because they are able to think for themselves and are not so susceptible to group think.
Why else would you spend the time and money to go to school?
I went because I wanted to be educated.
Yup, I probably have more credit hours than most here yet I only have an Associates. Hell, got that by accident.
I went because I wanted to be educated.
Yup, I probably have more credit hours than most here yet I only have an Associates. Hell, got that by accident.
You've gotta watch those AD programs. Many of them can require enough hours to get a bachelor's somewhere else. It was that way where I taught Nursing in an AD program. The TN Board of Regents noticed and told us we had to cut out some of the hours. So we lopped off several things.
This article from the Liberal Washington Post agree's, Foxfyre, that the majority of college professors are liberal. There are later studies stating the same conclusion, don't have time to link to them right now.
College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 29, 2005; Page C01
College faculties, long assumed to be a liberal bastion, lean further to the left than even the most conspiratorial conservatives might have imagined, a new study says.
By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.
The disparity is even more pronounced at the most elite schools, where, according to the study, 87 percent of faculty are liberal and 13 percent are conservative.
College Faculties A Most Liberal Lot, Study Finds (washingtonpost.com)
Yes I posted an excerpt from that same article with link earlier Starlight. And it was mostly ignored by our more leftist friends as your post probably will be too. I do tend to run on though which probably makes my posts more conducive to skip over without reading. You tend to be much more succinct which on message boards is a virtue.
But again, the article underscores again my opinion that those who make it out of college as conservatives these days do so in spite of the education they receive. And, again, in my opinion that is because they are able to think for themselves and are not so susceptible to group think.
Sorry I missed your article, Foxfyre. I have been doing that quite often. I think I have checked posts thoroughly, and find out, they have been posted before. Hope I don't get kicked out for post plagiarism. Time for an eye exam.
Here's another article and if someone has already posted it, my apologies.
Liberal College Professors
In a recent survey of the ideological persuasion of 1,643 full-time professors at 183 colleges and universities, three eminent scholars, Professors Robert Lichter of George Mason University and Stanley Rothman and Neil Nevitte of the University of Toronto, found that nearly three-quarters of college faculty call themselves liberal. In the study of classical languages and literature, the humanities, they counted 81 percent and in the social sciences 75 percent. Even among engineering faculty they found 51 percent and in business faculty 49 percent. But the greatest number of liberal professors taught in the departments of English literature, philosophy, political science, and religious studies where some 80 percent of professors called themselves liberal. At elite universities the ratios were even higher; according to the survey, 87 percent of faculty were liberal.
Sennholz.com - Hans F. Sennholz
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MsEd, type 75 certification. Administration/Leadership
The course of study was actually on differentiation and learning styles. While I found the theme informative and reinforcing of my personal philosophy of education, it did not prepare me for an administrative role. In education though, it's the degree, not the knowledge that tends to move folks along.
Just think how much the President of the NACL makes!
Why else would you spend the time and money to go to school?
I went because I wanted to be educated.
Yup, I probably have more credit hours than most here yet I only have an Associates. Hell, got that by accident.
Just think how much the President of the NACL makes!
222 thousand......
An excellent poll for culling out the minority opinion that education does not matter all that much.
Why? That's an elitist, fascist position to which I don't hold. The very nature of our economic system almost always separates the lazy and the uneducated from the winners.
Then what did you mean by "culling out?"
Read the bolded.
With certain exceptions which I have already named, I believe liberals influence higher education more. Only liberals are willing to settle for the pay one gets working in academia.
What exactly do we mean by "liberals influence higher education more?"
Are liberals ensuring that college sports become multi-million dollar enterprises?
Are liberals escalating the cost of education so mainly those with muli-million dollar loans can afford to attend?
Are liberals forcing employers to limit employment opportunities to only those with advanced degrees?
I just stated what I meant in terms of salaries for college profs. If you want to know about that other stuff, look at who sits on the boards of regents. Who are they? Probably conservatives, but they don't tell you what to teach, certainly they don't know enough to tell people in my professon what to teach. As to employment and advanced degrees. A person without an advanced degree is not qualified to do what I do and that is state law, not a board of regent or employer decision.
