Do You Support The "Gun Show Loophole?"

[Bfgrn]

lying sack of shit.

• 0.7% of criminals purchased a gun at a gun show

Read more: Where criminals get their guns | The Daily Caller

I am willing to bet that over 90% of the people who end up breaking the law after buying a gun at a gun show passed a background check when they bought those guns.

What I think dip shit is doing is, insinuating that those who can't buy a gun else where go to a gun show and buy one.

AMERICA’S GUN SHOWS: OPEN MARKETS FOR CRIMINALS

An estimated 5,000 gun shows are conducted in the United States every year. Federal law mandates that licensed dealers at these events perform background checks on purchasers before completing a sale.

There is an exemption in federal law, however, for private sales by individuals who are “not engaged in the business” of selling firearms, or who only make “occasional” sales. The Gun Show Loophole allows these unlicensed vendors to sell firearms at gun shows without conducting background checks on purchasers. To date, only 17 states have acted on their own initiative to close the Gun Show Loophole.

Unregulated private sales at gun shows are a popular point-of-purchase for individuals prohibited under federal law from buying firearms—including convicted felons, domestic abusers, drug addicts, fugitives from justice, individuals adjudicated as mentally ill, illegal immigrants, and others who would be flagged and stopped by criminal background checks. Additionally, gun shows are a common venue for “straw purchases” through licensed dealers. In a straw purchase, a prohibited purchaser recruits an individual(s) with a clean criminal record to pass a background check and purchase firearms for him/her. A straw purchase is a federal felony offense for both the straw purchaser and the ultimate possessor of the firearms.

Recent research has confirmed that gun shows remain the setting for significant criminal activity. At the same time, it has become apparent that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has no formal plan for investigating the nation’s gun shows.

A Major Source of Criminal Activity

The ATF reports that 25% to 50% of firearm vendors at gun shows are unlicensed. A multi-state study of gun shows by Dr. Garen J. Wintemute of the University of California-Davis found that this figure might be a low estimate. Direct observational methods employed in the study revealed that as many as 70% of gun sellers could not be identified as licensed dealers. Unlicensed firearm vendors provide easy opportunities for prohibited purchasers to avoid background checks.

• The Columbine killers, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, obtained guns used in the shootings from unlicensed dealers at Colorado gun shows. On two separate occasions, they recruited friends to straw purchase guns for them at the shows. One of them, Robyn Anderson, testified that she “would not have bought a gun for Eric and Dylan if I had had to give any personal information or submit [to] any kind of check at all.”

• In 2005, undercover ATF personnel learned that an unlicensed firearms dealer, Ghassan Haddad, was supplying neo-Nazi gang leader Keith Gilbert and others with illegal machine guns at Seattle-area gun shows. Gilbert had once threatened to blow up Martin Luther King, Jr. with explosives and served time in prison for threatening black children. Haddad was charged with dealing in firearms without a license, manufacture of an unregistered firearm, and possession of an unregistered firearm, all federal felonies.

• The Department of Justice recently reported that “after reviewing hundreds of trace reports associated with crime guns recovered in the [New Orleans] area…ATF Special Agents identified area gun shows as a source used by local gang members and other criminals to obtain guns. The subjects obtained the weapons either through a third party engaged in straw purchasing or by dealing directly with private sellers...”

The ATF has identified gun shows as a major trafficking channel for firearms, second only to corrupt federally licensed dealers. In an analysis of 1,530 firearms trafficking investigations during the period July 1996 through December 1998, gun shows were associated with the diversion of approximately 26,000 illegal firearms. From 2004 to 2006, ATF conducted operations at just 195 gun shows nationwide, but these operations resulted in 121 individual arrests and 5,345 firearms seizures. Some examples of such operations are as follows:

• Operation Flea Collar, a two-year investigation into illegal sales at gun shows and flea markets in Alabama, culminated in the arrest of 11 individuals and the seizure of more firearms over the last several decades. Those charged had previously sold 267 guns that were linked to homicides, assaults, robberies, drug and sex crimes, and other illegal activities. One of these guns was used in the attempted murder of a Chicago police officer.

• When ATF’s San Francisco Field Division cracked down on illegal guns being smuggled into California from gun shows in Nevada, the operation resulted in the confiscation of over 1,000 firearms as well as explosives.

• Between 2002 and 2005, more than 400 guns purchased at gun shows in Richmond, Virginia, were later recovered at crime scenes.

Background Checks Work
Background checks run by licensed dealers have proven both fast and effective. 72% of background checks are completed in just a few minutes, and 95% of background checks are completed within two hours. Between 1994 and 2005, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) prevented approximately 1.4 million prohibited purchasers, including convicted felons, from buying firearms.

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[OriginalShroom]

One thing the people who are claiming that there are no unlimited rights and that Gun Owners need to be realistic and "compromise" and give up the right to own some kinds of guns for the public good need to remember.

We already did that.

In 1934.

We gave up the right to own an entire class of gun based upon it's ability, not looks.

Fully Automatic Weapons.

In order to own of those guns, it takes a special "Class 3" License, issued only by the Federal Government.

You have to first get a packet, usually about $50, from your local Sheriff fill it out and then get the Sheriff to sign off on it, giving you their permission to own an automatic weapon. Then you send the Application, along with your photo and fingerprints and $200 (Non-Refundable) to the BATF.

Three to Nine months later you will get you license from the BATF. Then you can go the Dealer, who has been holding your weapon for you, charging anywhere from $20 - $50 per month to hold it for you, and pick it up.

This is not a general license. This is a license to own one specific weapon, one that you have identified by Serial Number. If you want to own a second, you have to start all over and get the local Sheriff's permission, send another $200, photo, fingerprints, etc to the BATF.

This license is only good for 3 years, then you have to do it all over again for each weapon.

If you do not file in a "Timely Manner" for the subsequent years, and do not get the renewal back before your current license expires, you are illegally in possession of the weapon.


I would say that the gun owners of America have "compromised" a great deal when it comes to their rights to own firearms already. Any further "compromise" could only be considered an "infringement" of that right.

 

[kwc57]

Just how can you determine who is riff-raff based on appearance? I think those Neo-Nazi and KKK types are riff-raff and they can be selling their products at gun shows.

The only way universal background checks won't become law is if the Republicans block a vote or poison bill the legislation with other things to justify voting against it. If someone writes a bill that only includes background checks and it's voted on, it would be political suicide in many areas to vote against UBC. Even the Republican base supports it. With UBC, the gun show loophole stops. Many states require waiting periods, so how that is dealt with is another matter. That UC Davis report said 19 states have some additional restrictions on gun show sales, such as waiting periods

When 85% of the weapons seized in criminal activity were sold in private sales since originally purchased from a dealer, then private sales without background checks have to be contributing to gun crime.

Tissue Nancy?

I just looked at a Canadian poll that said 76% of Americans favor registration of firearms. You're going to need the tissue, boy.

I just looked at an American poll that said 98% think you're a moron.

 

[Oddball]

Background Checks Work
Background checks run by licensed dealers have proven both fast and effective. 72% of background checks are completed in just a few minutes, and 95% of background checks are completed within two hours. Between 1994 and 2005, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) prevented approximately 1.4 million prohibited purchasers, including convicted felons, from buying firearms.

Total lie.....False positives account for a huge percentage of that 1.4 million number.

Though the TSA prevented Ted Kennedy from boarding an airliner, nobody would be stupid enough (well nobody that is except for Jethro Bfgrn) to say that a terrorist was prevented from getting on an airliner.

 

[Bfgrn]

Background Checks Work
Background checks run by licensed dealers have proven both fast and effective. 72% of background checks are completed in just a few minutes, and 95% of background checks are completed within two hours. Between 1994 and 2005, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) prevented approximately 1.4 million prohibited purchasers, including convicted felons, from buying firearms.

Total lie.....False positives account for a huge percentage of that 1.4 million number.

Though the TSA prevented Ted Kennedy from boarding an airliner, nobody would be stupid enough (well nobody that is except for Jethro Bfgrn) to say that a terrorist was prevented from getting on an airliner.

Do you have a link to how you FEEL Jethro? Unless you can prove 100% are so called 'false positives', Background Checks Work.

 

[The Rabbi]

No they dont.
First offf, about 80% are overturned. Second, criminals know they are prohibited so dont go through background checks to begin with. They simply buy them out of the trunk of someone's car.
It's nonsense.

 

[M14 Shooter]

AMERICA’S GUN SHOWS: OPEN MARKETS FOR CRIMINALS

An estimated 5,000 gun shows are conducted in the United States every year. Federal law mandates that licensed dealers at these events perform background checks on purchasers before completing a sale.

There is an exemption in federal law, however, for private sales by individuals who are “not engaged in the business” of selling firearms, or who only make “occasional” sales. The Gun Show Loophole allows these unlicensed vendors to sell firearms at gun shows without conducting background checks on purchasers. To date, only 17 states have acted on their own initiative to close the Gun Show Loophole.

This is not a gun show loophole, as this provision of the law applies everywhere, not just at gun shows.
The term is misleading and dishonest, typical of most arguments used to try to justify increased restrictions on the law abiding.

 

[Bfgrn]

No they dont.
First offf, about 80% are overturned. Second, criminals know they are prohibited so dont go through background checks to begin with. They simply buy them out of the trunk of someone's car.
It's nonsense.

Are you knowledge averse? In many states, a criminal can walk into a gun show and buy any weapon he chooses from a 'so called' private seller. One of these private sellers that was caught on camera by investigators acknowledged selling 348 guns in less than a year.

PLUS, investigators told the private sellers that they "probably couldn't pass a background check" -- and at that point, the seller should have sent them away. Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check.

Instead, 19 out of 30 private sellers made the sale.

You right wing turds always find the worst in humankind, UNLESS they are making a lot of money. Then you want to lick their asshole.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Are you knowledge averse? In many states, a criminal can walk into a gun show and buy any weapon he chooses from a 'so called' private seller. One of these private sellers that was caught on camera by investigators acknowledged selling 348 guns in less than a year.

Both are already illegal and felonies.

 

[KissMy]

I Support The "Gun Show Loophole?" Background checks do not prevent any murders.

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun just like the registered sex offenders list so people know to keep guns away from them.

 

[Bfgrn]

I Support The "Gun Show Loophole?" Background checks do not prevent any murders.

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun just like the registered sex offenders list so people know to keep guns away from them.

And HOW do we determine that Einstein? By how they LOOK??

 

[OODA_Loop]

I Support The "Gun Show Loophole?" Background checks do not prevent any murders.

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun just like the registered sex offenders list so people know to keep guns away from them.

And HOW do we determine that Einstein? By how they LOOK??

NICS.

Fast track anyone taking a drug that has sucidal or homicidal ideation as a known FDA side effect.

 

[Liability]

A person is bent on violating a pretty primal law: the one that makes it illegal to snuff out the life of another human being without legal or just cause.

But such a person is going to be deterred on the basis that it is also illegal to obtain a gun without going through a background check?

 

[OODA_Loop]

A person is bent on violating a pretty primal law: the one that makes it illegal to snuff out the life of another human being without legal or just cause.

But such a person is going to be deterred on the basis that it is also illegal to obtain a gun without going through a background check?

We lack accountabilty.

When everything became someone else's fault.

We have what we have here today.

 

[The Rabbi]

No they dont.
First offf, about 80% are overturned. Second, criminals know they are prohibited so dont go through background checks to begin with. They simply buy them out of the trunk of someone's car.
It's nonsense.

Are you knowledge averse? In many states, a criminal can walk into a gun show and buy any weapon he chooses from a 'so called' private seller. One of these private sellers that was caught on camera by investigators acknowledged selling 348 guns in less than a year.

PLUS, investigators told the private sellers that they "probably couldn't pass a background check" -- and at that point, the seller should have sent them away. Because even private sellers are prohibited by federal law from selling to those who they have reason to suspect could not pass a background check.

Instead, 19 out of 30 private sellers made the sale.

You right wing turds always find the worst in humankind, UNLESS they are making a lot of money. Then you want to lick their asshole.

Right. Background checks don't work. What is hard to understand about that, turdbrain?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I Support The "Gun Show Loophole?" Background checks do not prevent any murders.

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun just like the registered sex offenders list so people know to keep guns away from them.

And HOW do we determine that Einstein? By how they LOOK??

You apparently missed this:

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun

The news media should publish a monthy report of felons and other peoples unable to legally buy/own a gun - apparently, the media has some interest in the subject as it publishes lists of people with permits to own guns.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I Support The "Gun Show Loophole?" Background checks do not prevent any murders.

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun just like the registered sex offenders list so people know to keep guns away from them.

And HOW do we determine that Einstein? By how they LOOK??

You apparently missed this:

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun

The news media should publish a monthy report of felons and other peoples unable to legally buy/own a gun - apparently, the media has some interest in the subject as it publishes lists of people with permits to own guns.

Make NICS search-able and public domain online.

Municipalities and counties have criminal and arrest databases online.

 

[Bfgrn]

Are you knowledge averse? In many states, a criminal can walk into a gun show and buy any weapon he chooses from a 'so called' private seller. One of these private sellers that was caught on camera by investigators acknowledged selling 348 guns in less than a year.

Both are already illegal and felonies.

Both are not illegal. There is no definition of how many guns a 'private seller' can sell. According to federal law, they cannot be "engaged in the business" of selling firearms. But clearly some 'private sellers' ARE "engaged in the business" of selling firearms.

The only violation here occurred after the buyer (who was really an investigator with a hidden camera) told the seller they "probably couldn't pass a background check".

WHAT criminal would tell the seller they "probably couldn't pass a background check"?

 

[Bfgrn]

I Support The "Gun Show Loophole?" Background checks do not prevent any murders.

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun just like the registered sex offenders list so people know to keep guns away from them.

And HOW do we determine that Einstein? By how they LOOK??

You apparently missed this:

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun

The news media should publish a monthy report of felons and other peoples unable to legally buy/own a gun - apparently, the media has some interest in the subject as it publishes lists of people with permits to own guns.

Now tell me Einstein, HOW will gun dealers and private sellers KNOW who the people unable to legally buy/own a gun ARE? Do they have to scour the newspapers, internet and other 'media' sources? Private sellers don't have to see any identification.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And HOW do we determine that Einstein? By how they LOOK??

You apparently missed this:

We need a publicized list of bad people who should not own a gun

The news media should publish a monthy report of felons and other peoples unable to legally buy/own a gun - apparently, the media has some interest in the subject as it publishes lists of people with permits to own guns.

Now tell me Einstein, HOW will gun dealers and private sellers KNOW who the people unable to legally buy/own a gun ARE? Do they have to scour the newspapers, internet and other 'media' sources? Private sellers don't have to see any identification.

1: Make the list available
2: Require that they do.