Do You Think The Fast & Furious Scandal Is Worse Than Watergate Scandal?

[Borillar]

Watergate was worse, though not as bad as the Bush admin lying to the american people with the fabricated "they have WMD's and we know where they are" BS to go to war with Iraq.

Where was Issa and all his investigations about what allowed 9/11 to happen? Why didn't he investigate the lies that got us into a war with Iraq?

 

[francoHFW]

Since Reagan helped his pal Saddam with biological and chemical weapons, OF COURSE we knew he had them. But Cheney's and Condi's etc's gloom and doom about mushroom clouds was BS. In the months before the Iraq War, amid the jingoistic hysteria of the Bushies, it was political suicide to NOT say the above. Great job Pubbies. France was right...LOL

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I think it's a very interesting question. Most were very willing to crucify the President over Watergate. So what about 'Fast & Furious?' What do you think?

Watergate involved President Nixon authorizing the implementation of a criminal conspiracy and the use of campaign contributions to pay off criminal conspirators so they’d not speak to the authorities.

Iran-Contra involved Reagan WH officials selling arms to Iran to raise cash to fund anti-Communist insurgents in Nicaragua, in violation of Federal law.

So no, ‘Fast & Furious’ is nowhere near the above criminal acts, it was a ill-conceived Bush Era program that the Obama DOJ should have pulled the plug on. That it didn’t was stupid, not criminal. It’s otherwise nothing more than a partisan republican fishing expedition.

That is an interesting description of a botched sting that resulted in the death of an American LEO.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Watergate was worse, though not as bad as the Bush admin lying to the american people with the fabricated "they have WMD's and we know where they are" BS to go to war with Iraq.

So all the DEMOCRATS that said there were WMDs in Iraq and or were making them were LYING too? Note they said such BEFORE Bush was ever elected, in fact in some cases YEARS before.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."

Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

All quotes prior to UN inspection, try again.

You may want to read that again and check the dates.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Watergate was a college prank compared to this. But I don't expect any dims to be honest and admit it!!

Any patriotic American from left to right knows at this point that Wategate was far more serious in light of what we have right now.

Time will tell.

Why do you say that? If the WH is covering up it's involvement in this operation, I really can't see a whole lot of difference. People died as a result of this mess.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What exactly is the scandal??? Besides another attempt by Republicans to discredit the prez and his administration?? And you are trying to compare this to Watergate???

Providing weapons to the Mexican drug cartel in hopes that the resultant crimes would result in subversion of the constitution, resulting in the murder of a border patrol agent and hundreds of Mexican citizens.

Sure, it doesn't rise to the level of eaves dropping on your political opponent, but still......

 

[JakeStarkey]

Watergate was a college prank compared to this. But I don't expect any dims to be honest and admit it!!

Any patriotic American from left to right knows at this point that Wategate was far more serious in light of what we have right now.

Time will tell.

Why do you say that? If the WH is covering up it's involvement in this operation, I really can't see a whole lot of difference. People died as a result of this mess.

Because we don't know yet. Once (if) the documentation is released, we can decide.

But right now, we can't compare: we don't have the evidence.

Threaten impeachment or file with SCOTUS. Force BHO to give the evidence.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why do you say that?

Because Fakey Jake is a partisan hack with zero integrity.

If the WH is covering up it's involvement in this operation, I really can't see a whole lot of difference. People died as a result of this mess.

See description above....

 

[The T]

What exactly is the scandal??? Besides another attempt by Republicans to discredit the prez and his administration?? And you are trying to compare this to Watergate???

Providing weapons to the Mexican drug cartel in hopes that the resultant crimes would result in subversion of the constitution, resulting in the murder of a border patrol agent and hundreds of Mexican citizens.

Sure, it doesn't rise to the level of eaves dropping on your political opponent, but still......

...Obama and Holder have blood on thier hands.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Here, Uncensored, read carefully.

Because we don't know yet. Once (if) the documentation is released, we can decide.

But right now, we can't compare: we don't have the evidence.

Threaten impeachment or file with SCOTUS. Force BHO to give the evidence.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Since Reagan helped his pal Saddam with biological and chemical weapons, OF COURSE we knew he had them. But Cheney's and Condi's etc's gloom and doom about mushroom clouds was BS. In the months before the Iraq War, amid the jingoistic hysteria of the Bushies, it was political suicide to NOT say the above. Great job Pubbies. France was right...LOL

Show a little respect for the first Black Woman to serve as National Security Advisor and Secretary of State.....or, are you a typical Democrat that feels entitled to smack a black woman around when she wanders off The Plantation?

 

[Trajan]

Watergate was a college prank compared to this. But I don't expect any dims to be honest and admit it!!

Any patriotic American from left to right knows at this point that Wategate was far more serious in light of what we have right now.

Time will tell.

I am sorry, who died in the watergate scandal?

 

[Peach]

Watergate appears to have been far worse.

Time will tell about Holder, etc.

It appears far worse in your mind because a Republican was behind it.

This isn't a scandal, and Watergate seems less so with time. We lost the President who really brought down the USSR because of his insecurity, Nixon's resignation has had a negative impact on the US. Some historians write that the South lost its innocence in the Civil War, the nation did on April 22, 1974.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Providing weapons to the Mexican drug cartel in hopes that the resultant crimes would result in subversion of the constitution, resulting in the murder of a border patrol agent and hundreds of Mexican citizens.

Sure, it doesn't rise to the level of eaves dropping on your political opponent, but still......

...Obama and Holder have blood on thier hands.[/QUOTE]

The absurdity of comparing Watergate is surreal, but the leftists are so far removed from reality, that they don't grasp it.

They serve the party, that is the ONLY reality they are interested in.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Watergate was a college prank compared to this. But I don't expect any dims to be honest and admit it!!

Any patriotic American from left to right knows at this point that Wategate was far more serious in light of what we have right now.

Time will tell.

I am sorry, who died in the watergate scandal?

I am sorry, have you seen the Holder evidence?

You are guessing at this point.

 

[francoHFW]

Former ATF Head Says He Didn't Know About 'Fast and Furious ...
Dec 26, 2011 ... Claims his aides did not inform him about controversial gun running program. ...
Former ATF Head Says He Didn't Know About 'Fast and Furious' ... Attorney
General Eric Holder has caught most of the flack for the botched ...

www.loop21.com/.../former-atf-head-says-he-didnt-know-about-fast-and-furious - CachedReasoned Politics: Fast and Furious Timeline and News Links - July ...
Feb 15, 2012 ... July 6, 2011 - In a surprise move, acting ATF head Kenneth Melson testified ...
Also reports that it is "impossible" for Holder not to have known about Gunwalker
... "We know now it was not something limited to just a small group of ATF .... ATF
head Kenneth Melson has testified that he did not approve the ...

reasonedpolitics.blogspot.com/.../fast-and-furious-timeline-and-news_15.html - Cached 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next

 

[The T]

Providing weapons to the Mexican drug cartel in hopes that the resultant crimes would result in subversion of the constitution, resulting in the murder of a border patrol agent and hundreds of Mexican citizens.

Sure, it doesn't rise to the level of eaves dropping on your political opponent, but still......

...Obama and Holder have blood on thier hands.

The absurdity of comparing Watergate is surreal, but the leftists are so far removed from reality, that they don't grasp it.

They serve the party, that is the ONLY reality they are interested in.

Indeed sir. There is no comparison...Dirty deeds done dirt cheap (Nixon, Liddy, Haldeman) in a break in where NO ONE got killed...versus Holder/Obama/ATF where many were MURDERED...

Tough choice...Hmmm...

 

[francoHFW]

Since Reagan helped his pal Saddam with biological and chemical weapons, OF COURSE we knew he had them. But Cheney's and Condi's etc's gloom and doom about mushroom clouds was BS. In the months before the Iraq War, amid the jingoistic hysteria of the Bushies, it was political suicide to NOT say the above. Great job Pubbies. France was right...LOL

Show a little respect for the first Black Woman to serve as National Security Advisor and Secretary of State.....or, are you a typical Democrat that feels entitled to smack a black woman around when she wanders off The Plantation?

Right LOL Isn't Holder the first Black AG?

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am sorry, have you seen the Holder evidence?

You are guessing at this point.

Franco, do you REALLY think that eaves dropping on a political opponent is worse than supplying weapons to the Mexican drug cartel in hopes of subverting the constitution, resulting in the murder of a Federal Agent?

Are you really this much of a mindless, fucking hack?

 

[Trajan]

I think it's a very interesting question. Most were very willing to crucify the President over Watergate. So what about 'Fast & Furious?' What do you think?

Watergate involved President Nixon authorizing the implementation of a criminal conspiracy and the use of campaign contributions to pay off criminal conspirators so they’d not speak to the authorities.

Iran-Contra involved Reagan WH officials selling arms to Iran to raise cash to fund anti-Communist insurgents in Nicaragua, in violation of Federal law.

So no, ‘Fast & Furious’ is nowhere near the above criminal acts, it was a ill-conceived Bush Era program that the Obama DOJ should have pulled the plug on. That it didn’t was stupid, not criminal. It’s otherwise nothing more than a partisan republican fishing expedition.

That is an interesting description of a botched sting that resulted in the death of an American LEO.

you'll notice the lack of coverage of Terrys parents and their comments etc., yet....