Does a liberal have the IQ to understand how Republican capitalist health care.....

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The wealth of a nation is not counted by how many millionaires there are,

if I said it was I'll give you $10,000. Bet? or admit to being a liberal fool

 

[expatriate]

The wealth of a nation is not counted by how many millionaires there are,

if I said it was I'll give you $10,000. Bet? or admit to being a liberal fool

Ed... you really don't have 10 grand to toss around... stop these stupid bets of yours. Nobody ever pays up even if they lose. Heck... I bet warrior102 10K that I was a retired naval officer, and I even posted a youtube video of me and my retired ID card... the douchebag STILL never paid up. And you would be will served to tone down your insults. Calling liberals idiots all the time just makes you sound like, well, an idiot. Just sayin'.

 

[Mr Natural]

The wealth of a nation is not counted by how many millionaires there are,

if I said it was I'll give you $10,000. Bet? or admit to being a liberal fool

Ed... you really don't have 10 grand to toss around... stop these stupid bets of yours. Nobody ever pays up even if they lose. Heck... I bet warrior102 10K that I was a retired naval officer, and I even posted a youtube video of me and my retired ID card... the douchebag STILL never paid up. And you would be will served to tone down your insults. Calling liberals idiots all the time just makes you sound like, well, an idiot. Just sayin'.

And that's why we call him Special Ed.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The wealth of a nation is not counted by how many millionaires there are,

if I said it was I'll give you $10,000. Bet? or admit to being a liberal fool

Ed... you really don't have 10 grand to toss around... stop these stupid bets of yours. Nobody ever pays up even if they lose. Heck... I bet warrior102 10K that I was a retired naval officer, and I even posted a youtube video of me and my retired ID card... the douchebag STILL never paid up. And you would be will served to tone down your insults. Calling liberals idiots all the time just makes you sound like, well, an idiot. Just sayin'.

Its easy to prove. If liberals are not idiots please find one who can say something substantive in support of liberalism? Thanks

 

[expatriate]

if I said it was I'll give you $10,000. Bet? or admit to being a liberal fool

Ed... you really don't have 10 grand to toss around... stop these stupid bets of yours. Nobody ever pays up even if they lose. Heck... I bet warrior102 10K that I was a retired naval officer, and I even posted a youtube video of me and my retired ID card... the douchebag STILL never paid up. And you would be will served to tone down your insults. Calling liberals idiots all the time just makes you sound like, well, an idiot. Just sayin'.

Its easy to prove. If liberals are not idiots please find one who can say something substantive in support of liberalism? Thanks

liberalism is responsible for all the major improvements to American society for the last century: women's suffrage, civil rights, child labor laws, minimum wage, social security, workplace safety, union rights, environmental protection. liberalism has moved the entire political conversation steadily to the left so that now, ideas and programs that were once considered on the far loony left, are now middle of the mainstream. A classic example is the sign at a 2010 tea party rally: "keep your socialist hands off my medicare!"

 

[uscitizen]

Decrease costs by 1000% that means that the HC outfits would pay me 9 times what I now pay them?
Decreasing costs by 100% makes it free.

This liberal understands percentages.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

liberalism is responsible for all the major improvements to American society for the last century: womens sufferage

now that's an interesting and very very major improvement????? Sadly, it started way back with Abigail Adams I'm afraid.


Interesting that you go to pure trivia and ignore major wars, 10's of millions of dead people, major depressions and recessions, and the near genocide against American blacks.

See why we are 1000% sure a liberal will be slow

 

[rdean]

In fact, more people are starving now wages have dropped, all social programs in China have been cancelled and price controls are gone.

if you have evidence of this I will pay you $10,000. Bet or admit to being a psycho nut job liberal!!!

In 2006, there were 236,000 dollar millionaires, known as dakuan, in China, in 2005 and more than 250,000 in 2006, compared with 2.7 million in the United States. China now has the sixth largest population of millionaires in the world, far more than in India and Russia combined, and the number is growing at a rate of 15 percent a year.

By one estimate around six or seven million Chinese, about 5 percent of the population, have assets of $100,000. This is considered rich by Chinese standards. As of 2004, there were an estimated 10,000 Chinese with assets over $10 million. As of 2007, the richest 800 people in China had an average net worth of $562 million.

A total of 3.39 million vehicles were sold in the country in January and February, rising 14.7% from the same period last year, the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM) said in a statement.

Summary
The automobile industry, a key sector in China’s industrialization and modernization efforts, has
been developing rapidly since the 1990s. In recent years, China has become the world’s fastest
growing automotive producer. Annual vehicle output has increased from less than 2 million
vehicles in the late 1990s to 9.5 million in 2008.

And they are building a million robots to take over jobs where people were getting paid $170 a month. Didn't take them long to act like the Republican leadership and squat shit on their base. But it's OK. In America, the Republican base loves it. They want to be poor and unqualified to do anything but pick fruit. Only they are too lazy, old and fat to pick fruit. Besides, they feel that's work minorities should be doing, not them.

 

[expatriate]

liberalism is responsible for all the major improvements to American society for the last century: womens sufferage

now that's an interesting and very very major improvement????? Sadly, it started way back with Abigail Adams I'm afraid.


Interesting that you go to pure trivia and ignore major wars, 10's of millions of dead people, major depressions and recessions, and the near genocide against American blacks.

See why we are 1000% sure a liberal will be slow

j

Three quick points:

1. Abigail Adams did not have the right to vote. Nor did her daughters, grand-daughters, or great grand-daughters. It took the force of 20th century liberalism to secure those rights for women.

2. Pretty shameless of you to lump the other monumental achievements of American liberalism as pure trivia. Seems like a pretty clear cop out to me, but certainly something I was expecting from you.

3. As to the points you claim I ignored, you asked for anything that liberalism had accomplished, and I gave you a long list. I think that YOU - quite typically, and intentionally - confuse liberalism with the democratic party, which is an intellectually bankrupt tactic.

 

[rdean]

liberalism is responsible for all the major improvements to American society for the last century: womens sufferage

now that's an interesting and very very major improvement????? Sadly, it started way back with Abigail Adams I'm afraid.


Interesting that you go to pure trivia and ignore major wars, 10's of millions of dead people, major depressions and recessions, and the near genocide against American blacks.

See why we are 1000% sure a liberal will be slow

j

Three quick points:

1. Abigail Adams did not have the right to vote. Nor did her daughters, grand-daughters, or great grand-daughters. It took the force of 20th century liberalism to secure those rights for women.

2. Pretty shameless of you to lump the other monumental achievements of American liberalism as pure trivia. Seems like a pretty clear cop out to me, but certainly something I was expecting from you.

3. As to the points you claim I ignored, you asked for anything that liberalism had accomplished, and I gave you a long list. I think that YOU - quite typically, and intentionally - confuse liberalism with the democratic party, which is an intellectually bankrupt tactic.

Besides, historically, you can't really judge the Republican or the Democratic party's because in the middle 60's, conservatives fled the Democratic Party swelling the ranks of the Republican party. Blacks became Democrats. Today's Republican party is 90% white and has ZERO liberals. And only a piddling of minorities. Take that tiny left over part of the Republican Party and divide it up among blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Hindu's, gays and so on and it's a small slice indeed.

 

[Underhill]

Where they suck is caring for people. They only care about the profit motive.

of course that is very very very stupid and profoundly so !! If you want a good car you only buy a good car and the bad car companies go out of business, if you want good care you only buy good care and those who don't provide good care go out of business!

Capitalism is the best way to improve the quality of caring at the fastest possible rate!! A government system provides no competition and no incentive to care and improve each day.

As a liberal you'll find that over your brainwashed head.

What you are talking about works for a car. It doesn't for the health care. Here is why.

Most of us do not pick the best doctor. You pick what is available. If you are lucky you find one that is taking new patients. It's not as simple as picking the best insurer. You get what your company offers. Most of us don't have 15 hospitals to choose from, we go to the local hospital.

Health care is not like a car lot where you can walk in and choose the car model, brand and type you want. Most of us get what is available to us. Most of us wouldn't know the difference even if we could. How do you determine the best surgeon? Bed side manor? Doesn't tell you a whole lot. How about the best hospital? Unless you are among the elderly, you don't spend enough time there to know which is best. People don't generally shop around for the best hospital.

The industry knows this. That is why they do not have to offer competitive rates. This is why cost keep going up even though the vast majority of the system is still privately owned and run.

 

[dblack]

Where they suck is caring for people. They only care about the profit motive.

of course that is very very very stupid and profoundly so !! If you want a good car you only buy a good car and the bad car companies go out of business, if you want good care you only buy good care and those who don't provide good care go out of business!

Capitalism is the best way to improve the quality of caring at the fastest possible rate!! A government system provides no competition and no incentive to care and improve each day.

As a liberal you'll find that over your brainwashed head.

What you are talking about works for a car. It doesn't for the health care. Here is why.

Most of us do not pick the best doctor. You pick what is available. If you are lucky you find one that is taking new patients. It's not as simple as picking the best insurer. You get what your company offers. Most of us don't have 15 hospitals to choose from, we go to the local hospital.

Health care is not like a car lot where you can walk in and choose the car model, brand and type you want. Most of us get what is available to us. Most of us wouldn't know the difference even if we could. How do you determine the best surgeon? Bed side manor? Doesn't tell you a whole lot. How about the best hospital? Unless you are among the elderly, you don't spend enough time there to know which is best. People don't generally shop around for the best hospital.

The industry knows this. That is why they do not have to offer competitive rates. This is why cost keep going up even though the vast majority of the system is still privately owned and run.

Your post, indeed, most of the discussion of health care reform, is based on the premise that the standard model of group insurance is the only way to pay for health care. And that's our biggest mistake.

 

[editec]

HC insurance companies have NO REASON to want the cost of HC to go down.

Their right in increase rates is typically based on COSTS & a SET profit based on costs.

Ergo, when the cost of HC goes up?

They make MORE money.

GET IT?

 

[dblack]

HC insurance companies have NO REASON to want the cost of HC to go down.

Their right in increase rates is typically based on COSTS & a SET profit based on costs.

Ergo, when the cost of HC goes up?

They make MORE money.

GET IT?

!!!!!

Exactly. Health care inflation only reinforces their sales pitch. It promotes the delusion that we can't afford health care without the insurance companies. Which is bullshit. They are middle men bleeding money from every health care transaction they are a part of. The less we use insurance the better. Health care prices won't come down until we get that through our heads.

 

[Underhill]

of course that is very very very stupid and profoundly so !! If you want a good car you only buy a good car and the bad car companies go out of business, if you want good care you only buy good care and those who don't provide good care go out of business!

Capitalism is the best way to improve the quality of caring at the fastest possible rate!! A government system provides no competition and no incentive to care and improve each day.

As a liberal you'll find that over your brainwashed head.

What you are talking about works for a car. It doesn't for the health care. Here is why.

Most of us do not pick the best doctor. You pick what is available. If you are lucky you find one that is taking new patients. It's not as simple as picking the best insurer. You get what your company offers. Most of us don't have 15 hospitals to choose from, we go to the local hospital.

Health care is not like a car lot where you can walk in and choose the car model, brand and type you want. Most of us get what is available to us. Most of us wouldn't know the difference even if we could. How do you determine the best surgeon? Bed side manor? Doesn't tell you a whole lot. How about the best hospital? Unless you are among the elderly, you don't spend enough time there to know which is best. People don't generally shop around for the best hospital.

The industry knows this. That is why they do not have to offer competitive rates. This is why cost keep going up even though the vast majority of the system is still privately owned and run.

Your post, indeed, most of the discussion of health care reform, is based on the premise that the standard model of group insurance is the only way to pay for health care. And that's our biggest mistake.

Okay, then what is your alternative?

 

[Underhill]

HC insurance companies have NO REASON to want the cost of HC to go down.

Their right in increase rates is typically based on COSTS & a SET profit based on costs.

Ergo, when the cost of HC goes up?

They make MORE money.

GET IT?

Which is why we need to get rid of the insurance companies completely and go to single payer. Eliminate mountains of paperwork and the profit motive in one swoop.

 

[dblack]

HC insurance companies have NO REASON to want the cost of HC to go down.

Their right in increase rates is typically based on COSTS & a SET profit based on costs.

Ergo, when the cost of HC goes up?

They make MORE money.

GET IT?

Which is why we need to get rid of the insurance companies completely and go to single payer. Eliminate mountains of paperwork and the profit motive in one swoop.

Single payer is still insurance, with all the distorted incentives and inefficiencies that model entails. It just removes all choice and competition and creates one insurance company - whether it's run by government or not is irrelevant.

 

[Underhill]

HC insurance companies have NO REASON to want the cost of HC to go down.

Their right in increase rates is typically based on COSTS & a SET profit based on costs.

Ergo, when the cost of HC goes up?

They make MORE money.

GET IT?

Which is why we need to get rid of the insurance companies completely and go to single payer. Eliminate mountains of paperwork and the profit motive in one swoop.

Single payer is still insurance, with all the distorted incentives and inefficiencies that model entails. It just removes all choice and competition and creates one insurance company - whether it's run by government or not is irrelevant.

Right, except it removes the cost of having hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of secretaries to process claims from dozens of insurers as well as medicaid, medicare and social security.

It also gives us control of cost directly.

It removes profit from the equation. This alone means a 15-20% savings (depending on the state).

But yes, the government can be inefficient. Just like large corporations. This is why I do not claim we should start a completely new system. We simply need to look at what has been done in the rest of the world, where cost are lower and care is as good, or better, and emulate them.

The alternative is what? Those of you who keep calling for a capitalistic approach... I'm waiting to hear exactly what the alternative is.

 

[dblack]

Which is why we need to get rid of the insurance companies completely and go to single payer. Eliminate mountains of paperwork and the profit motive in one swoop.

Single payer is still insurance, with all the distorted incentives and inefficiencies that model entails. It just removes all choice and competition and creates one insurance company - whether it's run by government or not is irrelevant.

Right, except it removes the cost of having hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of secretaries to process claims from dozens of insurers as well as medicaid, medicare and social security.

It also gives us control of cost directly.

It removes profit from the equation. This alone means a 15-20% savings (depending on the state).

But yes, the government can be inefficient. Just like large corporations. This is why I do not claim we should start a completely new system. We simply need to look at what has been done in the rest of the world, where cost are lower and care is as good, or better, and emulate them.

The alternative is what? Those of you who keep calling for a capitalistic approach... I'm waiting to hear exactly what the alternative is.

The alternative is to mind your own business. There's no need to use the coercive power of the state to force your neighbors into your idea of the best health care solution. Freedom isn't such a bad deal.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The alternative is what? Those of you who keep calling for a capitalistic approach... I'm waiting to hear exactly what the alternative is.

alternative is capitalism. Customers shopping with their own money and providers competing on basis of price and quality.

Imagine someone who jogs for fun and someone who races in life and death competition? Who would be a faster runner? Now you understand competion and how it makes us better. Not so hard was it? How old are you?