Does America Need Be Saved From Theocracy?

[PoliticalChic]

So no preacher was mentioned

You PARROT your preacher, because your pathetic excuse of a brain hasn't developed enough to ask questions....

How much of an imbecile must you be when there is no such 'preacher,' yet you keep pretending there is?

It's science.

There is no overpopulation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Re-post sans the juvenile vulgarity and I'll consider educating your further.


Lord knows you need it.

I’m sure if you thought you could you would just do it.

There isn't anything I can't do.

As a note, I forced you to admit that there is no such 'separation of church and state' in the Constitution.


Nor did Jefferson ever say that religion, morality, should be keep from government.


Only Leftists claim such. Hence, your government school 'education.'


Democrat FDR, who hated minorities of every type, put a KKKer on the Supreme Court, and that KKK official, Hugo Black,
inserted the bogus 'separation of church and state.'


These are the facts.

You know what 'facts' are, don't you?

Your argument that those specific words aren’t used does not somehow change the fact that the clause specifically makes clear that religion can not dictate law. It’s dumb that you are even suggesting that it should. Jefferson illustrates the point by paraphrasing the language as meaning “separation of church and state”. The government cannot force religion on its citizens AND the law cannot be dictated by religion.

1."Your argument that those specific words aren’t used ..."
Actually, you claimed that that was in the Constitution.....I simply proved your knowledge in this area is as flawed as in every other area.
There was no argument...you were simply talking through your....hat.


2. "...does not somehow change the fact that the clause specifically makes clear that religion can not dictate law."
What 'law'????

The Constitution is the law of the land....not a judges pronouncement.



3."Jefferson illustrates the point by paraphrasing the language as meaning “separation of church and state”.

Jefferson wrote a letter to placate the Danbury Baptists....it has nothing to do with 'law,' you dunce.


4. The claim you have been tricked into believing is based on Marx/Hegel Leftism that hates religion, hates America, and has infected the school.

5. I proved you wrong, and you have defaulted to the usual Liberal 'is not, isssssss nooooottttttt!!'

Once again, among the least intelligent, indoctrination is indelible.

What point are you even trying to make? Good god lol. Yes, those specific words are not in the constitution. And? The clause is what it is. It means what it means. s long as your preacher says so.... Period. This is a pointless conversation lol

There is no 'clause' that demands separation of church and state.

It is neo-Marxism, and you've bought it like it was on sale.



The Bible is reference in the Constitution.
In fact, Jesus Christ is mentioned.

 

[LaDairis]

It's science.

There is no overpopulation.

If birdbrain can parrot it, birdbrain will parrot it.... and parroting always originates from "preacher," since sub human does not have intellectual capacity to question preacher....


Tell us, oh wise believer in Jesus, how many humans can Earth support?

infinite??

LOL!!!!


How many people can our planet really support?



The bottom line is, for the past 30 years, fresh water shortages have occurred all over the planet, and the Amazon is the most recent such event. If your answer is "Global Warming," you are just as dumb as Sheldon Whitehouse and the rest. A "warmer Earth" is a "wetter Earth" and the proof of that is shockingly simple.

Where did all the fresh water in the AMAZON go this year???

Fresh water shortages are the first sign that human overpopulation in in a "stage one" phase that will rapidly deteriorate if it is not stopped....

As for all the new Hispanic and Muslim human life out there that is migrating to Europe and here.... what's up with that??



The Earth is finite. While the Democrat welfare sludge won't care about the Federal Debt until the government check bounces, religious sub humans will continue to overpopulate Earth until there is an actual food shortage/absence with mass starvation in progress....

when that happens, either half the human population gets offed immediately, or the human race dies.... nice.

 

[Billy000]

I’m sure if you thought you could you would just do it.

There isn't anything I can't do.

As a note, I forced you to admit that there is no such 'separation of church and state' in the Constitution.


Nor did Jefferson ever say that religion, morality, should be keep from government.


Only Leftists claim such. Hence, your government school 'education.'


Democrat FDR, who hated minorities of every type, put a KKKer on the Supreme Court, and that KKK official, Hugo Black,
inserted the bogus 'separation of church and state.'


These are the facts.

You know what 'facts' are, don't you?

Your argument that those specific words aren’t used does not somehow change the fact that the clause specifically makes clear that religion can not dictate law. It’s dumb that you are even suggesting that it should. Jefferson illustrates the point by paraphrasing the language as meaning “separation of church and state”. The government cannot force religion on its citizens AND the law cannot be dictated by religion.

1."Your argument that those specific words aren’t used ..."
Actually, you claimed that that was in the Constitution.....I simply proved your knowledge in this area is as flawed as in every other area.
There was no argument...you were simply talking through your....hat.


2. "...does not somehow change the fact that the clause specifically makes clear that religion can not dictate law."
What 'law'????

The Constitution is the law of the land....not a judges pronouncement.



3."Jefferson illustrates the point by paraphrasing the language as meaning “separation of church and state”.

Jefferson wrote a letter to placate the Danbury Baptists....it has nothing to do with 'law,' you dunce.


4. The claim you have been tricked into believing is based on Marx/Hegel Leftism that hates religion, hates America, and has infected the school.

5. I proved you wrong, and you have defaulted to the usual Liberal 'is not, isssssss nooooottttttt!!'

Once again, among the least intelligent, indoctrination is indelible.

What point are you even trying to make? Good god lol. Yes, those specific words are not in the constitution. And? The clause is what it is. It means what it means. s long as your preacher says so.... Period. This is a pointless conversation lol

There is no 'clause' that demands separation of church and state.

It is neo-Marxism, and you've bought it like it was on sale.



The Bible is reference in the Constitution.
In fact, Jesus Christ is mentioned.

Okay how about this? You go look up the actual clause, copy and paste it (you’re good at that), post it here and then interpret for us what you think it means.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's science.

There is no overpopulation.

If birdbrain can parrot it, birdbrain will parrot it.... and parroting always originates from "preacher," since sub human does not have intellectual capacity to question preacher....


Tell us, oh wise believer in Jesus, how many humans can Earth support?

infinite??

LOL!!!!


How many people can our planet really support?



The bottom line is, for the past 30 years, fresh water shortages have occurred all over the planet, and the Amazon is the most recent such event. If your answer is "Global Warming," you are just as dumb as Sheldon Whitehouse and the rest. A "warmer Earth" is a "wetter Earth" and the proof of that is shockingly simple.

Where did all the fresh water in the AMAZON go this year???

Fresh water shortages are the first sign that human overpopulation in in a "stage one" phase that will rapidly deteriorate if it is not stopped....

As for all the new Hispanic and Muslim human life out there that is migrating to Europe and here.... what's up with that??



The Earth is finite. While the Democrat welfare sludge won't care about the Federal Debt until the government check bounces, religious sub humans will continue to overpopulate Earth until there is an actual food shortage/absence with mass starvation in progress....

when that happens, either half the human population gets offed immediately, or the human race dies.... nice.

Another spanking???

Coming right up:

. "The entire world population could fit in the state of Texas and it’d only have the population density of New York City!
There are 6.8 billion people on Earth. Calculations show that if we wanted to make everyone in Earth live on a space that had the same population density as New York City, we could fit everyone in about 666,265 square kilometers, which is less than the size of Texas!.

Not only does that leave the other 49 United States open, but it leaves all the other countries clear and open, too. So, it is pretty safe to say that we have enough space, the entire world except Texas, to farm and ranch for our food supply.

Would water be a problem, though? It's calculated that we need 350 billion liters of water per day to properly hydrate 6.8 billion people. It seems like a lot, but the Columbia River alone could produce that amount in less than a day. By the way, the Columbia River is the U.S.’s fourth largest river. So, again, that leaves the rest of the world’s water supply open and ready to serve. So, we’re not really overpopulated." http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/10333...-have-the-population-density-of-New-York-City




This is where you say..."duhhhhhh.....never mind."

 

[PoliticalChic]

There isn't anything I can't do.

As a note, I forced you to admit that there is no such 'separation of church and state' in the Constitution.


Nor did Jefferson ever say that religion, morality, should be keep from government.


Only Leftists claim such. Hence, your government school 'education.'


Democrat FDR, who hated minorities of every type, put a KKKer on the Supreme Court, and that KKK official, Hugo Black,
inserted the bogus 'separation of church and state.'


These are the facts.

You know what 'facts' are, don't you?

Your argument that those specific words aren’t used does not somehow change the fact that the clause specifically makes clear that religion can not dictate law. It’s dumb that you are even suggesting that it should. Jefferson illustrates the point by paraphrasing the language as meaning “separation of church and state”. The government cannot force religion on its citizens AND the law cannot be dictated by religion.

1."Your argument that those specific words aren’t used ..."
Actually, you claimed that that was in the Constitution.....I simply proved your knowledge in this area is as flawed as in every other area.
There was no argument...you were simply talking through your....hat.


2. "...does not somehow change the fact that the clause specifically makes clear that religion can not dictate law."
What 'law'????

The Constitution is the law of the land....not a judges pronouncement.



3."Jefferson illustrates the point by paraphrasing the language as meaning “separation of church and state”.

Jefferson wrote a letter to placate the Danbury Baptists....it has nothing to do with 'law,' you dunce.


4. The claim you have been tricked into believing is based on Marx/Hegel Leftism that hates religion, hates America, and has infected the school.

5. I proved you wrong, and you have defaulted to the usual Liberal 'is not, isssssss nooooottttttt!!'

Once again, among the least intelligent, indoctrination is indelible.

What point are you even trying to make? Good god lol. Yes, those specific words are not in the constitution. And? The clause is what it is. It means what it means. s long as your preacher says so.... Period. This is a pointless conversation lol

There is no 'clause' that demands separation of church and state.

It is neo-Marxism, and you've bought it like it was on sale.



The Bible is reference in the Constitution.
In fact, Jesus Christ is mentioned.

Okay how about this? You go look up the actual clause, copy and paste it (you’re good at that), post it here and then interpret for us what you think it means.

You don't speak English???

Or you don't read it????

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's science.

There is no overpopulation.

If birdbrain can parrot it, birdbrain will parrot it.... and parroting always originates from "preacher," since sub human does not have intellectual capacity to question preacher....


Tell us, oh wise believer in Jesus, how many humans can Earth support?

infinite??

LOL!!!!


How many people can our planet really support?



The bottom line is, for the past 30 years, fresh water shortages have occurred all over the planet, and the Amazon is the most recent such event. If your answer is "Global Warming," you are just as dumb as Sheldon Whitehouse and the rest. A "warmer Earth" is a "wetter Earth" and the proof of that is shockingly simple.

Where did all the fresh water in the AMAZON go this year???

Fresh water shortages are the first sign that human overpopulation in in a "stage one" phase that will rapidly deteriorate if it is not stopped....

As for all the new Hispanic and Muslim human life out there that is migrating to Europe and here.... what's up with that??



The Earth is finite. While the Democrat welfare sludge won't care about the Federal Debt until the government check bounces, religious sub humans will continue to overpopulate Earth until there is an actual food shortage/absence with mass starvation in progress....

when that happens, either half the human population gets offed immediately, or the human race dies.... nice.

Almost as stupid as you are, Obama's 'science adviser' had the same view.....

. "John P. Holdren’s advocacy for a global planetary regime to enforce forced abortion, government `seizure of children born out of wedlock, and mandatory bodily implants designed to prevent pregnancy, Obama’s top advisor also called for,”Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods.”
Holdren added that the sterilant must meet stiff requirements in that it must only affect humans and not livestock.

“It must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock,” wrote Holdren with co-authors Paul Ehrlich and Anne Ehrlich.

Holdren notes that the proposal to forcibly mass sterilize the public against their will “seems to horrify people” and yet it doesn’t seem to bother him too much, amidst the myriad of other totalitarian Dr. Strangelove style ideas that are put forward in the book as a way to carry out an aggressive agenda of population reduction.
» Obama Science Czar’s Plan To Sterilize Population Through Water Supply Already Happening Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!



Maybe you could share a cage???

 

[LaDairis]

It's science.

There is no overpopulation.

If birdbrain can parrot it, birdbrain will parrot it.... and parroting always originates from "preacher," since sub human does not have intellectual capacity to question preacher....


Tell us, oh wise believer in Jesus, how many humans can Earth support?

infinite??

LOL!!!!


How many people can our planet really support?



The bottom line is, for the past 30 years, fresh water shortages have occurred all over the planet, and the Amazon is the most recent such event. If your answer is "Global Warming," you are just as dumb as Sheldon Whitehouse and the rest. A "warmer Earth" is a "wetter Earth" and the proof of that is shockingly simple.

Where did all the fresh water in the AMAZON go this year???

Fresh water shortages are the first sign that human overpopulation in in a "stage one" phase that will rapidly deteriorate if it is not stopped....

As for all the new Hispanic and Muslim human life out there that is migrating to Europe and here.... what's up with that??



The Earth is finite. While the Democrat welfare sludge won't care about the Federal Debt until the government check bounces, religious sub humans will continue to overpopulate Earth until there is an actual food shortage/absence with mass starvation in progress....

when that happens, either half the human population gets offed immediately, or the human race dies.... nice.

Another spanking???

Coming right up:

. "The entire world population could fit in the state of Texas and it’d only have the population density of New York City!
There are 6.8 billion people on Earth. Calculations show that if we wanted to make everyone in Earth live on a space that had the same population density as New York City, we could fit everyone in about 666,265 square kilometers, which is less than the size of Texas!.

Not only does that leave the other 49 United States open, but it leaves all the other countries clear and open, too. So, it is pretty safe to say that we have enough space, the entire world except Texas, to farm and ranch for our food supply.

Would water be a problem, though? It's calculated that we need 350 billion liters of water per day to properly hydrate 6.8 billion people. It seems like a lot, but the Columbia River alone could produce that amount in less than a day. By the way, the Columbia River is the U.S.’s fourth largest river. So, again, that leaves the rest of the world’s water supply open and ready to serve. So, we’re not really overpopulated." http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/10333...-have-the-population-density-of-New-York-City




This is where you say..."duhhhhhh.....never mind."

Religious people parrot. Ask them to explain why the Amazon was burning this year, and they simply post the same parroting over and over.

Birdbrain is as birdbrain does....


The people of NYC do not feed themselves. They acquire food from Iowa, California, the ocean, and many other places. How much Earth acreage is required to feed NYC? This birdbrain has no idea, and would simply cut and paste the same BS over and over....

The human parrot is the lowest form of human. The difference between human and animal is the ability to think. A human parrot has no such ability....

 

[LaDairis]

Holdren notes that the proposal to forcibly mass sterilize the public against their will “seems to horrify people” and yet it doesn’t seem to bother him too much

If religious people, specifically religious people, and only religious people continue to overpopulate the planet, his ideas will seem "moderate" in comparison to more direct "solutions."

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's science.

There is no overpopulation.

If birdbrain can parrot it, birdbrain will parrot it.... and parroting always originates from "preacher," since sub human does not have intellectual capacity to question preacher....


Tell us, oh wise believer in Jesus, how many humans can Earth support?

infinite??

LOL!!!!


How many people can our planet really support?



The bottom line is, for the past 30 years, fresh water shortages have occurred all over the planet, and the Amazon is the most recent such event. If your answer is "Global Warming," you are just as dumb as Sheldon Whitehouse and the rest. A "warmer Earth" is a "wetter Earth" and the proof of that is shockingly simple.

Where did all the fresh water in the AMAZON go this year???

Fresh water shortages are the first sign that human overpopulation in in a "stage one" phase that will rapidly deteriorate if it is not stopped....

As for all the new Hispanic and Muslim human life out there that is migrating to Europe and here.... what's up with that??



The Earth is finite. While the Democrat welfare sludge won't care about the Federal Debt until the government check bounces, religious sub humans will continue to overpopulate Earth until there is an actual food shortage/absence with mass starvation in progress....

when that happens, either half the human population gets offed immediately, or the human race dies.... nice.

Another spanking???

Coming right up:

. "The entire world population could fit in the state of Texas and it’d only have the population density of New York City!
There are 6.8 billion people on Earth. Calculations show that if we wanted to make everyone in Earth live on a space that had the same population density as New York City, we could fit everyone in about 666,265 square kilometers, which is less than the size of Texas!.

Not only does that leave the other 49 United States open, but it leaves all the other countries clear and open, too. So, it is pretty safe to say that we have enough space, the entire world except Texas, to farm and ranch for our food supply.

Would water be a problem, though? It's calculated that we need 350 billion liters of water per day to properly hydrate 6.8 billion people. It seems like a lot, but the Columbia River alone could produce that amount in less than a day. By the way, the Columbia River is the U.S.’s fourth largest river. So, again, that leaves the rest of the world’s water supply open and ready to serve. So, we’re not really overpopulated." http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/10333...-have-the-population-density-of-New-York-City




This is where you say..."duhhhhhh.....never mind."

Religious people parrot. Ask them to explain why the Amazon was burning this year, and they simply post the same parroting over and over.

Birdbrain is as birdbrain does....


The people of NYC do not feed themselves. They acquire food from Iowa, California, the ocean, and many other places. How much Earth acreage is required to feed NYC? This birdbrain has no idea, and would simply cut and paste the same BS over and over....

The human parrot is the lowest form of human. The difference between human and animal is the ability to think. A human parrot has no such ability....

Actually....you parrot.

You parrot a moron....yourself.

I keep proving you wrong....and you simply repeat.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Holdren notes that the proposal to forcibly mass sterilize the public against their will “seems to horrify people” and yet it doesn’t seem to bother him too much

If religious people, specifically religious people, and only religious people continue to overpopulate the planet, his ideas will seem "moderate" in comparison to more direct "solutions."

"... continue to overpopulate the planet...."


Can't continue what doesn't exist.


Malthus, Ehrlich, Holdren, you........Obama: fear of overpopulation and mass starvation.





Starvation has not proven the bane of society.


"It is not that there have ceased to be droughts, pests, plant diseases, and crop failures in the modern Western world, but that when they occur there is no famine,because the stricken countries are quickly able to import foodstuffs from abroad, not only because the modern means of transport exist, but because, out of their industrial production, these countries have the means to pay for such foodstuffs."
Hazlitt


That's thanks to capitalism.

And, technology and changing methods have kept food supply outstripping world population growth.


And...with a population of over six billion.....is the earth overpopulated?

Of course not!

 

[LaDairis]

You parrot a moron....yourself.

I have asked you a series of questions, and you have deliberately refused to attempt to answer them...

That you consider independent thought to be "parroting" is par for the parrot course you are on, because to a parrot like you, everyone parrots, and hence life is all about who or what you parrot....

LOL!!!!


Face it, you have spent your entire life worshipping a fraud/lair who bilked 5k out of everything, ran out of food and money in part because he and his pals were down at the BROTHEL screwing HOs, raped his young virgin followers, and when he ran out of money and food, everyone he bilked realized they'd been had, and were not getting anything back.... which is why they voted for Barabbas and cheered Fraud Jesus' uber justified crucifixion....


Christianity is a Jewish attempt to get idiot unChosen to "serve Israel."

 

[LaDairis]

Can't continue what doesn't exist.

Overpopulation does not exist.

Earth can handle infinite humans.

.... because my preacher says so when he advocates forcing crack ho's to bring every pregnancy to term... and swell future voter rolls for the DEMOCRATS.... nice....

 

[LaDairis]

because the stricken countries are quickly able to import foodstuffs from abroad,

Great, and if such countries have been having 10 kids per couple for hundreds of years, they'll never run out of food either....


Earth is infinite. Run the human population up to a trillion.... because my preacher says so!!!!!!!!!!!


Notice how similar this attitude is to Democrats who think endlessly running up the Federal Debt will never harm anything either....


Democrats and post 1998 Republicans.... truly supported by the BOTTOM of the intellectual food chain....

 

[RodISHI]

I did not say an employee should not have the right to "violate his conscience". Here is the deal when you are the 'employee' verses the 'owner'; as an owner you sign the paychecks, assume the liabilities and invested your own money first to have ownership of that business so you get to make those calls. When employees own the businesses they work at they also have those same right as co-owners. My money, my time and efforts built my own business not some employee.

You know what, I'm going to cut you off right here because you are boring.

Either you believe that freedom of religion gives you a TOTAL right to refuse to do your job with no consequences, or you don't.

Okay for me but not for thee doesn't cut it. Either both employer and employee have right of conscience or they don't.

No one has the right to force you to work for them and no business owner has to be subjected to having you as an employee. Both have the right to hire or not. You don't like people with faith so its pretty simple, don't hire on with that business where "the bosses" don't want your personal issues at their job-site. You are totally free to keep your personal beliefs, bad habits or feelings to yourself. Having those feelings, beliefs or whatever you want to label it is beyond the authority of corporate America. However, when you give up your right to privacy and the possession of those thoughts or feelings you have therefore forfeited those same thoughts, feelings when you try to force them on the company. Why is that you might ask? Its simple the company was not formed nor does it exist to satisfy your personal thoughts, emotions or personal beliefs. It is formed for one purpose and that is to provide goods and/or services or products to the public in general. You as a singular entity are not forced to give up your beliefs. You do have the right to seek employment elsewhere whereas the business remains in the public sphere. It will exist and should exist regardless of your personal thoughts or beliefs. Just as it did before you ever came along. If you insist on target that business because you disagree with its policies then fine do so but don't expect those employed by that company or that companies management to sympathize or support you. There is no such thing as a right to employment. If you want to strike out on your own then by all means do so. Its called competition.

 

[skews13]

1.I have actually had to endure posts from government school grads along this line of what passes for thinking:
“You religious Bible-thumpers want to ram your superstition down our throats…..this is not a theocracy!!!”

Wow.



There are ‘religion’ groups that do demand control of the society…but the Judeo-Christian view on which this nation was founded is not one. But this nation was created with Judeo-Christian principles in mind:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams



2. Now about that ‘ramming down disproving throats’ fable.

“Although Christianity in its many varieties was the religion of the original colonies, Christianity does not preach operational dominance over the body politic in America. Tocqueville compared this aspect to Islam: “Mohammed professed to derive from Heaven, and has inserted in the Koran, not only religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, speaks only of the general relations of men to God and to each other, beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith. This alone, besides a thousand other reasons, would suffice to prove that the former of these religions will never long predominate in a cultivated and democratic age, while the latter is destined to retain its sway at these as at all other periods.” Tocqueville, “Democracy in America,” vol.2, p. 23.



3. Assume arguendo that there is as much reason to have a religious citizenry as there is to have an non-religious one. The solution is that you don’t have to believe, ....but it is in your interest to have others believe.

The most succinct argument in favor of a religious citizenry comes from a famous atheist, Voltaire: "I don't believe in God, but I hope my valet does so he won't steal my spoons."
How Voltaire's Atheism Overthrew Deism

And, Voltaire also famously said "Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer." Mais toute la nature nous crie qu'il existe; qu'il y a une intelligence suprême, un pouvoir immense, un ordre admirable, et tout nous instruit de notre dépendance. "If God did not exist, he would have to be invented."

For the same reason as above....it is society's interest to have more religious folks, than non-religious


BTW…when about to die, Voltaire recanted: “He at once sent for the priest, and wanted to be ‘reconciled with the church.’ The Tragic Death of Voltaire the Atheist | Paw Creek Ministries





Atheism can’t sustain a rights-based, virtue-based system as a God-less ideology. Rousseau, Hegel and Marx took the opposite view, and the result was multiple millions slaughtered.


4. The less educated also claim that the Constitution somehow inveighs against religion and mandates it be separated from government. Another falsity.
The first amendment, formulated by a learned and religious group, simply made certain that no government of America mandated a particular belief. Or, have none at all.




Sooooo......where is the 'threat' of a theocracy?????

The first amendment, formulated by a learned and religious group, simply made certain that no government of America mandated a particular belief. Or, have none at all.

Wrong.

I. Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishment or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was his Almighty power to do . . .

II. Be it enacted by the General Assembly, that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

III. And though we well know that this assembly elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no power to restrain the act of succeeding assemblies, constituted with powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act to be irrevocable would be of no effect in law; yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present, or to narrow its operation, such as would be an infringement of natural right.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom | Virginia Museum of History & Culture Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

Actually.....I'm never wrong.


While individual states had religious requirements.....The first amendment, formulated by a learned and religious group, simply made certain that no government of America mandated a particular belief. Or, have none at all.



Now....whenever you see something I have written, jot it down and treat is like Gospel.

You know nothing. Jeffersons statute for religious freedom was the main argument for the final wording of the first amendment. Jefferson wanted religious zealots to have no rights, and I'm 100% with him on that one. It was Washington that convinced Adams to add the wording to the first.

 

[JoeB131]

No one has the right to force you to work for them and no business owner has to be subjected to having you as an employee. Both have the right to hire or not. You don't like people with faith so its pretty simple, don't hire on with that business where "the bosses" don't want your personal issues at their job-site. You are totally free to keep your personal beliefs, bad habits or feelings to yourself.

Exactly my point. You are totally free to keep your fucking bronze age superstitions to yourself.

but when I come into your store, YOU WILL FOLLOW THE BUSINESS LAWS OF MY STATE.

This isn't complicated. If your business might make you not act like a bigoted homophobic asshole, you are always free to sell it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1.I have actually had to endure posts from government school grads along this line of what passes for thinking:
“You religious Bible-thumpers want to ram your superstition down our throats…..this is not a theocracy!!!”

Wow.



There are ‘religion’ groups that do demand control of the society…but the Judeo-Christian view on which this nation was founded is not one. But this nation was created with Judeo-Christian principles in mind:

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams



2. Now about that ‘ramming down disproving throats’ fable.

“Although Christianity in its many varieties was the religion of the original colonies, Christianity does not preach operational dominance over the body politic in America. Tocqueville compared this aspect to Islam: “Mohammed professed to derive from Heaven, and has inserted in the Koran, not only religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science. The Gospel, on the contrary, speaks only of the general relations of men to God and to each other, beyond which it inculcates and imposes no point of faith. This alone, besides a thousand other reasons, would suffice to prove that the former of these religions will never long predominate in a cultivated and democratic age, while the latter is destined to retain its sway at these as at all other periods.” Tocqueville, “Democracy in America,” vol.2, p. 23.



3. Assume arguendo that there is as much reason to have a religious citizenry as there is to have an non-religious one. The solution is that you don’t have to believe, ....but it is in your interest to have others believe.

The most succinct argument in favor of a religious citizenry comes from a famous atheist, Voltaire: "I don't believe in God, but I hope my valet does so he won't steal my spoons."
How Voltaire's Atheism Overthrew Deism

And, Voltaire also famously said "Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer." Mais toute la nature nous crie qu'il existe; qu'il y a une intelligence suprême, un pouvoir immense, un ordre admirable, et tout nous instruit de notre dépendance. "If God did not exist, he would have to be invented."

For the same reason as above....it is society's interest to have more religious folks, than non-religious


BTW…when about to die, Voltaire recanted: “He at once sent for the priest, and wanted to be ‘reconciled with the church.’ The Tragic Death of Voltaire the Atheist | Paw Creek Ministries





Atheism can’t sustain a rights-based, virtue-based system as a God-less ideology. Rousseau, Hegel and Marx took the opposite view, and the result was multiple millions slaughtered.


4. The less educated also claim that the Constitution somehow inveighs against religion and mandates it be separated from government. Another falsity.
The first amendment, formulated by a learned and religious group, simply made certain that no government of America mandated a particular belief. Or, have none at all.




Sooooo......where is the 'threat' of a theocracy?????

The first amendment, formulated by a learned and religious group, simply made certain that no government of America mandated a particular belief. Or, have none at all.

Wrong.

I. Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishment or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was his Almighty power to do . . .

II. Be it enacted by the General Assembly, that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.

III. And though we well know that this assembly elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of legislation only, have no power to restrain the act of succeeding assemblies, constituted with powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act to be irrevocable would be of no effect in law; yet we are free to declare, and do declare, that the rights hereby asserted are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present, or to narrow its operation, such as would be an infringement of natural right.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom | Virginia Museum of History & Culture Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

Actually.....I'm never wrong.


While individual states had religious requirements.....The first amendment, formulated by a learned and religious group, simply made certain that no government of America mandated a particular belief. Or, have none at all.



Now....whenever you see something I have written, jot it down and treat is like Gospel.

You know nothing. Jeffersons statute for religious freedom was the main argument for the final wording of the first amendment. Jefferson wanted religious zealots to have no rights, and I'm 100% with him on that one. It was Washington that convinced Adams to add the wording to the first.

OK, dunce....take notes:

Jefferson was for individuals' religious freedom....not the 'freedom' of government to impost any religion.....or deny anyone's right not to have one.


"Jefferson wanted religious zealots to have no rights,"
Only a government school grad....or a Bolshevik.....could write that.




Back in 1802 on New Year’s Day, Thomas Jefferson replied to a “fan” letter from the Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut, offering him congratulations on his election to the ‘chief Magistracy in the United States.’

This is the text of the letter written by Thomas Jefferson:

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.





Thus.... “the Baptists who supported Jefferson were outsiders — a beleaguered religious and political minority in region where a Congregationalist-Federalist axis dominated political life.” They were seeking reassurances of a religion friendly disposition from their new president who was horribly vilified during the election as an “infidel and atheist.” This rumor had become so widespread during the presidential campaign, New England housewives were known to have buried their family Bibles in the backyards so fearful that the new Administration would confiscate their Holy Scriptures.

So this famous letter having to do with the ‘wall of separation between church and state’ was a political statement giving his reassurances to the Baptists that he was a friend to religion, and a response to the vilification he received from the Federalist Congregationalist establishment in Connecticut. This was not a definitive manifesto on the relationship between government and religion.



While you are truly an ignorant imbecile, you are exactly what is necessary to keep the Democrat Party in power.
Woe betide America if your sort are not exiled or eradicated.

 

[DBA]

1.I have actually had to endure posts from government school grads along this line of what passes for thinking:
“You religious Bible-thumpers want to ram your superstition down our throats…..this is not a theocracy!!!”

Wow.

Um. I went to Catholic Schools for 12 years.

You Bible thumpers ARE trying to ram your superstitions down our throats.

Knock it off.

If you think Gay marriage or Abortion are bad... don't have one. This isn't that complicated.

If you think guns are bad, don't buy one. See how that works? And before you even say it, yes, immorality does affect me directly as a citizen.

 

[anynameyouwish]

1.I have actually had to endure posts from government school grads along this line of what passes for thinking:
“You religious Bible-thumpers want to ram your superstition down our throats…..this is not a theocracy!!!”

Wow.

Um. I went to Catholic Schools for 12 years.

You Bible thumpers ARE trying to ram your superstitions down our throats.

Knock it off.

If you think Gay marriage or Abortion are bad... don't have one. This isn't that complicated.

If you think guns are bad, don't buy one. See how that works? And before you even say it, yes, immorality does affect me directly as a citizen.

"yes, immorality does affect me directly as a citizen"

abortions don't affect you
homosexuality doesn't affect you
gay marriage doesn't affect you

trump is, by his own words and actions, the MOST IMMORAL person in the country.....