Does Florida’s “Don’t say Gay Bill” prohibit instruction on heterosexual couples?

[marvin martian]

Republicans were very cautious in crafting their bill

They saw how the court ruled when they tried to consider homosexual relationships as second class during the gay marriage debate

So they didn’t specifically identify homosexuals under “sexual orientation”
As such, the bill applies to all sexual orientations including heterosexual

Just stop talking to other peoples' little kids about sex. You can stop, right?

 

[BackAgain]

Just stop talking to other peoples' little kids about sex. You can stop, right?

Hard ask. Next you’ll be asking these guys to stop sniffing their hair!

 

[JimH52]

One could only argue that if one is a crappy parent. Either way, what kids are exposed to or not is up to the parents in the house. What goes on in schools is up to the state government. Because in both cases, those are the people in charge of those places.

What should be outlawed is fools like you trying to be "clever" when you manifestly aren't equipped for it.

Mindless MAGA Mush

 

[Cecilie1200]

Mindless MAGA Mush

In other words, "I have no response, but TRRRRRUUUUUMMMMMP!"

 

[JimH52]

In other words, "I have no response, but TRRRRRUUUUUMMMMMP!"

You had to bring your boyfriend into the thread...huh?

 

[Crixus]

The Bill states “Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

The bill does not specifically specify discussion about homosexuality.
So if a teacher reads a book about a family with a Mommy and a Daddy, isn’t that a discussion of their sexual orientation?

Is a book written about a little girl or a little boy identifying their gender identity?

According to the law, a school system can be sued if a teacher provides instruction about ANY sexual orientation …..Heterosexual, Homosexual or Transsexual

No, the book book on mommy and daddy is just fine. Same for mommy and mommy, and daddy and daddy. Whats not cool is discussing who is screwing who to kids who rang in age from 5 to 7. Pretty simple shit.

 

[rightwinger]

No, the book book on mommy and daddy is just fine. Same for mommy and mommy, and daddy and daddy. Whats not cool is discussing who is screwing who to kids who rang in age from 5 to 7. Pretty simple shit.

Of course nobody is actually teaching screwing to five year olds

But in the Conservative world of alternative reality, it is a crisis they have to fight

 

[JimH52]

Of course nobody is actually teaching screwing to five year olds

But in the Conservative world of alternative reality, it is a crisis they have to fight

They make up their little nightmares to scare voters. desantis is just a smaller version of TFG.

 

[Crixus]

Of course nobody is actually teaching screwing to five year olds

But in the Conservative world of alternative reality, it is a crisis they have to fight

5 to 8 year olds need to worry about not finding cat shit in the sand box, not sexual identity. Its not a "conservative" or "Liberal" thing. Its a parent thing. Parents can have that talk with their kids. Its not up to publoc school teachers.

 

[rightwinger]

5 to 8 year olds need to worry about not finding cat shit in the sand box, not sexual identity. Its not a "conservative" or "Liberal" thing. Its a parent thing. Parents can have that talk with their kids. Its not up to publoc school teachers.

But those kids are coming into public schools

Not every kid will come from a traditional family. Some will have single parents, some may live with grandparents, some may have two mommies

Explaining that not every family is heterosexual is worthwhile

 

[Zincwarrior]

Moving away from more of the scene chewing rhetoric around the issue, what is it that opponents of the law object to?

To clarify, I think there are direct suit provisions against teachers which would make me seek employment elsewhere regardless of the cause, but beside that, what is the reasonable opposition to the bill?

Edit. I just read the March version of the bill. I do not see those direct suit provisions except against the district. So I don't actually what the issue is. This really is the language:

. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third
98 parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur
99 in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age100 appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in

It has requirements to provide information concerning whether or not a child may receive healthcare support services, with an opt out provision. As a former K-12 parent that appears appropriate.

There is a provision permitting a parent access to health or medical records, and these cannot be denied. Again that is not unusual, and its my understanding that a parent has the same rights to medical records outside of school.

It has a provision permitting suit of the school district. Thats not unusual.

Other than I see absolutely no need for the bill as no evidence has been presented of a need for it in Florida (or potentially now in Texas), I am not actually seeing the issue.

 

[USAF 2023]

The Bill states “Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

The bill does not specifically specify discussion about homosexuality.
So if a teacher reads a book about a family with a Mommy and a Daddy, isn’t that a discussion of their sexual orientation?

Is a book written about a little girl or a little boy identifying their gender identity?

According to the law, a school system can be sued if a teacher provides instruction about ANY sexual orientation …..Heterosexual, Homosexual or Transsexual

You mean reading a book about a family where a mother and father biologically produce children identifies their identity? You are sick. You and BRANDON belong together

 

[Cecilie1200]

You had to bring your boyfriend into the thread...huh?

Well, since YOU brought him up, I guess that means you have some romantic feelings about him?

 

[Cecilie1200]

They make up their little nightmares to scare voters. desantis is just a smaller version of TFG.

There's no reason to "make up" nightmares so long as there are Democrats around.

 

[JimH52]

Well, since YOU brought him up, I guess that means you have some romantic feelings about him?

You Idiot!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Moving away from more of the scene chewing rhetoric around the issue, what is it that opponents of the law object to?

To clarify, I think there are direct suit provisions against teachers which would make me seek employment elsewhere regardless of the cause, but beside that, what is the reasonable opposition to the bill?

Edit. I just read the March version of the bill. I do not see those direct suit provisions except against the district. So I don't actually what the issue is. This really is the language:

It has requirements to provide information concerning whether or not a child may receive healthcare support services, with an opt out provision. As a former K-12 parent that appears appropriate.

There is a provision permitting a parent access to health or medical records, and these cannot be denied. Again that is not unusual, and its my understanding that a parent has the same rights to medical records outside of school.

It has a provision permitting suit of the school district. Thats not unusual.

Other than I see absolutely no need for the bill as no evidence has been presented of a need for it in Florida (or potentially now in Texas), I am not actually seeing the issue.

Well, as someone who has worked in the medical administrative field for many years, I can assure you that a minor's legal guardian always has access to and control over the minor's medical records. It absolutely floored me to hear that any school anywhere might think that it could refuse a parent with legal custody of the child access to the child's records.

If you don't know what the need for the bill is, then you must have been living under a rock. There have been stories about this available in the news - although I realize the mainstream media has suppressed it in their own feeds - for some time now.

School standards teaching gender identity, sexual orientation draws controversy

A first draft of Nebraska educational standards calls for teaching gender identity to elementary school students. Gov. Ricketts blasted the standards this week.

www.3newsnow.com

Gender and Gender Identity

www.education.pa.gov

California's new sex ed guidelines encourages teachers to discuss gender identity, masturbation

Critics say the new guidelines are an assault on parental rights and expose children to ideas about sexuality and gender that should be taught at home.

www.nbcnews.com

Parents sue Boulder Valley School District over transgender lesson, alleging violations of religious freedom

The parents of three students at a Boulder County elementary school who wanted to pull their kids from lessons on transgender issues sued the Boulder Valley School District on Monday, alleging the …

www.denverpost.com

Or you can just visit "Libs of TikTok" and view all sorts of videos of actual teachers proudly talking about it.

 

[Papageorgio]

Fair enough

Then teaching any material that discusses a mommy and daddy in K-3 would be subject to a lawsuit

Sue them and let us know what happens.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Well, as someone who has worked in the medical administrative field for many years, I can assure you that a minor's legal guardian always has access to and control over the minor's medical records. It absolutely floored me to hear that any school anywhere might think that it could refuse a parent with legal custody of the child access to the child's records.

If you don't know what the need for the bill is, then you must have been living under a rock. There have been stories about this available in the news - although I realize the mainstream media has suppressed it in their own feeds - for some time now.

School standards teaching gender identity, sexual orientation draws controversy

A first draft of Nebraska educational standards calls for teaching gender identity to elementary school students. Gov. Ricketts blasted the standards this week.

www.3newsnow.com

Gender and Gender Identity

www.education.pa.gov

California's new sex ed guidelines encourages teachers to discuss gender identity, masturbation

Critics say the new guidelines are an assault on parental rights and expose children to ideas about sexuality and gender that should be taught at home.

www.nbcnews.com

Parents sue Boulder Valley School District over transgender lesson, alleging violations of religious freedom

The parents of three students at a Boulder County elementary school who wanted to pull their kids from lessons on transgender issues sued the Boulder Valley School District on Monday, alleging the …

www.denverpost.com

Or you can just visit "Libs of TikTok" and view all sorts of videos of actual teachers proudly talking about it.

Yes but none of those stories are from Florida. Again I don't see the issue with either the legislation itself or need for it. It reads a harmless showboating.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Yes but none of those stories are from Florida. Again I don't see the issue with either the legislation itself or need for it. It reads a harmless showboating.

Are you really going to try to go with, "You didn't cite stories SPECIFICALLY from Florida, so that means it's happening everywhere else, but not there!"?

Not only are there vast numbers of other examples - which I am NOT going to spoonfeed to you; I suggest you get off your lazy ass and research the subject you've presumed to bloviate on - but simply the fact that it IS widespread in other places would be enough for Florida to want to head it off in their state.

Once again, let me reiterate that I'm not remotely impressed with your, "I haven't bothered to read up and find out what's going on, and I assume the fact that I haven't seen what I've ignored means it doesn't exist."

 

[rightwinger]

Sue them and let us know what happens.

Tie up School Districts in litigation

Just what the Bill attempts to do to intimidate them