Does This Mean That The Jews Are The Antichrists?

[gtopa1]

today's God is the same God as in the OT. God is the same forever- He is outside of time. We (believer's) since Jesus are under a new covenant- not of law, but of grace through Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit indwells all true Believer's. God the Father is in Heaven, and Jesus is sitting at His right hand waiting to call His Church (Believer's) up to meet Him in the clouds at any time (Pretribulation Rapture).

Somehow I reckon that whatever it is that happens it'll be a lot more subtle than that....and far deeper.

Greg

 

[ninja007]

hey Greg, welcome. Off to bed now.

 

[gtopa1]

hey Greg, welcome. Off to bed now.

G'nite.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Jesus and god - in the bible - are either 2 separate entities or Jesus is a schizophrenic. Father, why hast thou forsaken me?

Well, why ask?

Just more reasons that religions are derp shit.

Nope. Some things are just mysteries.

Thou art an idiot!!



Greg

oooooh Smeg you understand middle english for [Thou art] pigeon-liver'd and lack gall. less is more dont you think queen?

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Greg

 

[Mr. Ofo Oao]

Mr. O, can you count to 144,000? Is that the same as multitudes that can't be counted? Every nation, people,and language does not describe 1 nation, 12 tribes and Hebrew.
Those are Gentiles.
It's easier to have a discussion without resorting to nastiness.. Whether we agree or not, liar isn't necessary.
Tell me, who are the Jews that flee to Petra? They do the opposite of evangelizing. They hide. Do they die, or do they make it through the trib?


If the 144,000 Messianic servants of Christ are the only Jews to survive and they are all male virgins, then they would also be the end of the Jews. Jewish women are a requirement.

It is not necessary to call me "Mr." You can call me Ofo; I just used Mr. in my username to let people know that I am a male as my name is not an English name...

Now, you can make up whatever doctrine you want to. The Bible says that only 144,000 of the Jews will be saved. The multitudes that could not be counted are in heaven ("before the throne") and not on the earth.

 

[Mr. Ofo Oao]

I (don't) find it amusing that so many people attempt to parse religious documents ad infinitum, but play loosy-goosy with the U.S. Constitution. Off topic, I know, but relevant nevertheless as connections can easily be made.

I don't follow you...and I'm not sure that I'm interested in following you. Nevertheless, could you be more clear about why you are talking to me about the Constitution?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Does This Mean That The Jews Are The Antichrists?"

No, this means you're consistent at being crazy.

 

[Mr. Ofo Oao]

"Does This Mean That The Jews Are The Antichrists?"

No, this means you're consistent at being crazy.

Well (lol,) I'm not a Bible nor Qur'an believer -- religion does interest me though -- but those books say that John the Baptist, Jesus, the apostle Paul, and all of the prophets were called "mad." So, maybe I am in good company if you assert that I am crazy lol.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Mr. O, can you count to 144,000? Is that the same as multitudes that can't be counted? Every nation, people,and language does not describe 1 nation, 12 tribes and Hebrew.
Those are Gentiles.
It's easier to have a discussion without resorting to nastiness.. Whether we agree or not, liar isn't necessary.
Tell me, who are the Jews that flee to Petra? They do the opposite of evangelizing. They hide. Do they die, or do they make it through the trib?


If the 144,000 Messianic servants of Christ are the only Jews to survive and they are all male virgins, then they would also be the end of the Jews. Jewish women are a requirement.

It is not necessary to call me "Mr." You can call me Ofo; I just used Mr. in my username to let people know that I am a male as my name is not an English name...

Now, you can make up whatever doctrine you want to. The Bible says that only 144,000 of the Jews will be saved. The multitudes that could not be counted are in heaven ("before the throne") and not on the earth.

Then Ofo it is. I should probably let you know that I am not a ram but a ewe. The Irish Ram was the name of an ancestor's ship.

Concerning doctrine, the description of that specific multitude is this:
all nations, languages, tribes, which is inclusive, not exclusive to Jews, in Heaven or on earth. The Bible says the 144,000 will survive the trib. but it doesn't say they are the only Jews that survive. Those who flee to Jordan also survive, as do the Jews under attack in Israel when Christ touches down on the Mt. of Olives.

His touch causes an earthquake and the Mt. splits from east to west. Instead of running from it, the Jews under fire run to it. Because they recognize Jesus as their Messiah. They are the surviving Jews who break down and weep when they see His scarred body.

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

^ That occurs at the end of the trib. upon His return
The 144,000 already know Him as the Messiah and have been in His service for years before He returns. The Jews that survive the tribulation repopulate Israel, man and woman, and Christ never leaves them again. They are Christ's inheritance, and they flourish.

Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel
…In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

The Jews are given new hearts as are their enemies, and the hatred is removed from them. The Jews survive to reach this point in time after the trib. And Christ blesses them all. He is the most gentle, loving, forgiving gift we'll ever know or need.

If you are correct, then Christ has no inheritance, just an empty Temple and 144,000 male servants. It is the end of the line for Israel which means Christ was not effective in saving Israel, and God lied to Abraham.

 

[Youch]

I (don't) find it amusing that so many people attempt to parse religious documents ad infinitum, but play loosy-goosy with the U.S. Constitution. Off topic, I know, but relevant nevertheless as connections can easily be made.

I don't follow you...and I'm not sure that I'm interested in following you. Nevertheless, could you be more clear about why you are talking to me about the Constitution?

Ofo Oao must mean passive aggressive. You don't understand my post, then insult, then wish a dialog. Make up your mind.

My point was simple.

 

[Mr. Ofo Oao]

Then Ofo it is. I should probably let you know that I am not a ram but a ewe. The Irish Ram was the name of an ancestor's ship.

Concerning doctrine, the description of that specific multitude is this:
all nations, languages, tribes, which is inclusive, not exclusive to Jews, in Heaven or on earth. The Bible says the 144,000 will survive the trib. but it doesn't say they are the only Jews that survive. Those who flee to Jordan also survive, as do the Jews under attack in Israel when Christ touches down on the Mt. of Olives.

His touch causes an earthquake and the Mt. splits from east to west. Instead of running from it, the Jews under fire run to it. Because they recognize Jesus as their Messiah. They are the surviving Jews who break down and weep when they see His scarred body.

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

^ That occurs at the end of the trib. upon His return
The 144,000 already know Him as the Messiah and have been in His service for years before He returns. The Jews that survive the tribulation repopulate Israel, man and woman, and Christ never leaves them again. They are Christ's inheritance, and they flourish.

Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel
…In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

The Jews are given new hearts as are their enemies, and the hatred is removed from them. The Jews survive to reach this point in time after the trib. And Christ blesses them all. He is the most gentle, loving, forgiving gift we'll ever know or need.

If you are correct, then Christ has no inheritance, just an empty Temple and 144,000 male servants. It is the end of the line for Israel which means Christ was not effective in saving Israel, and God lied to Abraham.

Man you just make things up; bring your evidence if you are being truthful.

 

[gtopa1]

Then Ofo it is. I should probably let you know that I am not a ram but a ewe. The Irish Ram was the name of an ancestor's ship.

Concerning doctrine, the description of that specific multitude is this:
all nations, languages, tribes, which is inclusive, not exclusive to Jews, in Heaven or on earth. The Bible says the 144,000 will survive the trib. but it doesn't say they are the only Jews that survive. Those who flee to Jordan also survive, as do the Jews under attack in Israel when Christ touches down on the Mt. of Olives.

His touch causes an earthquake and the Mt. splits from east to west. Instead of running from it, the Jews under fire run to it. Because they recognize Jesus as their Messiah. They are the surviving Jews who break down and weep when they see His scarred body.

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

^ That occurs at the end of the trib. upon His return
The 144,000 already know Him as the Messiah and have been in His service for years before He returns. The Jews that survive the tribulation repopulate Israel, man and woman, and Christ never leaves them again. They are Christ's inheritance, and they flourish.

Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel
…In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

The Jews are given new hearts as are their enemies, and the hatred is removed from them. The Jews survive to reach this point in time after the trib. And Christ blesses them all. He is the most gentle, loving, forgiving gift we'll ever know or need.

If you are correct, then Christ has no inheritance, just an empty Temple and 144,000 male servants. It is the end of the line for Israel which means Christ was not effective in saving Israel, and God lied to Abraham.

Man you just make things up; bring your evidence if you are being truthful.

I've heard it said before. I don't go one way or the other on it. I don't live in Israel...but if it focuses people on doing what is right for the right reasons...love of God and Love of His people..then I see no harm in it. No one is forced to accept it...unlike some other groups I could mention.

Greg

 

[Mr. Ofo Oao]

I've heard it said before. I don't go one way or the other on it. I don't live in Israel...but if it focuses people on doing what is right for the right reasons...love of God and Love of His people..then I see no harm in it. No one is forced to accept it...unlike some other groups I could mention.

Greg

And who are "God's people?"

Christians always seem to overlook these scriptures:

Romans 9:6: "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL, WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL:"

This scripture tells us that not all Israelites are the true Israel. The scripture says that the true Israel is Christi and those who believe in him:

Galatians 3:16, 29: "(16)Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (29)And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

God's people are Chrsit and those who believe in him.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Man you just make things up; bring your evidence if you are being truthful.

I just did:

Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel
…In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

In that day.
At no time in history has Israel been a blessing to Assyria, (Parts of Egypt and Iraq, Turkey, and Iran). Nor have they ever been considered a third party or part of that group.
That happens when the Lord returns. If all the Jews are dead then you would have Egypt and Assyria, with no third.
It is a future event and Israel is alive and well and not just included, but a blessing. Christ brings with Him, peace on earth. And replaces hate with love.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Ofo, Israel split into two parts. And even went to war against each other. But the end time Israel was prophesied specifically as not being 2, but 1 nation, with Jerusalem as it's capital.
God's people are the Jews. Christ was one of them and He wasn't born in Dublin for a reason. He came down here as the one true sacrifice for the Jews instead of the temporary covering they got from sacrificing animals, but they received Him not.

Pagan Gentiles were akin to dogs. One woman's faith caused Gentiles to be grafted into the Jewish line:

…And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once.

Israel is Jesus Christ's inheritance, and Gentiles and Messianic Jews who believe on, or believed in Christ are His bride. The 7 candle sticks in Christ's Temple are the Gentile churches that Paul started and are mentioned in Rev.

 

[Mr. Ofo Oao]

I just did:

Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel
…In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

In that day.
At no time in history has Israel been a blessing to Egypt and Iraq, Turkey, and Iran. Nor have they ever been considered a third party or part of that group.
That happens when the Lord returns. If all the Jews are dead then you would have Egypt and Assyria, not 3. It is a future event and Israel is alive and well and not just included, but a blessing. It is what is meant by Peace on Earth, and good will......

You are just citing some false made up doctrine...why aren't you doing number and verse citations, you liar? The words "Blessed is Egypt" do not exist in the Bible.

Only 144,000 of the Jews will be saved; they are not all "God's people."

 

[MaryL]

For Christ's sake, Jesus was a JEW. Let's don't do this anymore, kids. It is getting old.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I just did:

Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel
…In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

In that day.
At no time in history has Israel been a blessing to Egypt and Iraq, Turkey, and Iran. Nor have they ever been considered a third party or part of that group.
That happens when the Lord returns. If all the Jews are dead then you would have Egypt and Assyria, not 3. It is a future event and Israel is alive and well and not just included, but a blessing. It is what is meant by Peace on Earth, and good will......

You are just citing some false made up doctrine...why aren't you doing number and verse citations, you liar? The words "Blessed is Egypt" do not exist in the Bible.

Only 144,000 of the Jews will be saved; they are not all "God's people."

Isaiah 19:25

Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance

Egypt is referred to 750 times. And in the future the Lord Himself shall bless it. The words He will use are these:
"Blessed be Egypt", then He will refer to them as "HIS PEOPLE". Either you are wrong, or Isaiah is.

I don't know what you have against the Jews, or some of them, but it isn't a position that Christ shares. He loves all of us, and doesn't hold grudges.

Not only that but you can expect the boundaries to change in the Middle East. New Jerusalem is almost the size of the U.S. and no complaints:

..that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.

^
Eph.1:10

 

[guno]

Mr. O, can you count to 144,000? Is that the same as multitudes that can't be counted? Every nation, people,and language does not describe 1 nation, 12 tribes and Hebrew.
Those are Gentiles.
It's easier to have a discussion without resorting to nastiness.. Whether we agree or not, liar isn't necessary.
Tell me, who are the Jews that flee to Petra? They do the opposite of evangelizing. They hide. Do they die, or do they make it through the trib?


If the 144,000 Messianic servants of Christ are the only Jews to survive and they are all male virgins, then they would also be the end of the Jews. Jewish women are a requirement.

It is not necessary to call me "Mr." You can call me Ofo; I just used Mr. in my username to let people know that I am a male as my name is not an English name...

Now, you can make up whatever doctrine you want to. The Bible says that only 144,000 of the Jews will be saved. The multitudes that could not be counted are in heaven ("before the throne") and not on the earth.

Then Ofo it is. I should probably let you know that I am not a ram but a ewe. The Irish Ram was the name of an ancestor's ship.

Concerning doctrine, the description of that specific multitude is this:
all nations, languages, tribes, which is inclusive, not exclusive to Jews, in Heaven or on earth. The Bible says the 144,000 will survive the trib. but it doesn't say they are the only Jews that survive. Those who flee to Jordan also survive, as do the Jews under attack in Israel when Christ touches down on the Mt. of Olives.

His touch causes an earthquake and the Mt. splits from east to west. Instead of running from it, the Jews under fire run to it. Because they recognize Jesus as their Messiah. They are the surviving Jews who break down and weep when they see His scarred body.

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

^ That occurs at the end of the trib. upon His return
The 144,000 already know Him as the Messiah and have been in His service for years before He returns. The Jews that survive the tribulation repopulate Israel, man and woman, and Christ never leaves them again. They are Christ's inheritance, and they flourish.

Blessing to Egypt, Assyria, Israel
…In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, "Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance

The Jews are given new hearts as are their enemies, and the hatred is removed from them. The Jews survive to reach this point in time after the trib. And Christ blesses them all. He is the most gentle, loving, forgiving gift we'll ever know or need.

If you are correct, then Christ has no inheritance, just an empty Temple and 144,000 male servants. It is the end of the line for Israel which means Christ was not effective in saving Israel, and God lied to Abraham.

 

[guno]

Topic	Old Testament	New Testament
Messiah to be the seed of the Woman	Genesis 3:15	Galatians 4:4
Messiah to be the seed of Abraham	Genesis 12:3; 18:18	Luke 3:23,34 Matthew 1:1-2 Acts 3:25 Galatians 3:16
Messiah to be of the tribe of Judah	Genesis 49:10	Luke 3:33 Matthew 1:1-2
Messiah to be of the seed of Jacob	Numbers 24:17, 19	Matthew 1:1-2 Luke 3:34
Messiah to be of the seed of David	Psalm 132:11 Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15 Isaiah 11:10	Matthew 1:6 Luke 1:32-33 Acts 2:29-30 Romans 1:3
Messiah to be a prophet like Moses	Deut. 18:15, 19	Matthew 21:11 John 6:14 John 1:45 Acts 3:22-23
Messiah to be the Son of God	Psalm 2:7 Proverbs 30:4	Luke 1:32 Matthew 3:17
Messiah to be raised from the dead	Psalm 16:10	Acts 13:35-37
Messiah to experience crucifixion	Psalm 22:1-31 Psalm 69:21	Matthew 27:34-50 John 19:28-30
Messiah to be betrayed by a friend	Psalm 41:9	John 13:18, 21
Messiah to ascend to heaven	Psalm 68:18	Luke 24:51 Acts 1:9
Homage and tribute paid to Messiah by great kings	Psalm 72:10-11	Matthew 2:1-11
Messiah to be a priest like Melchizedek	Psalm 110:4	Hebrews 5:5-6
Messiah to be at the right hand of God	Psalm 110:1	Matthew 26:64 Hebrews 1:3
Messiah, the stone which the builders rejected, to become the head cornerstone	Psalm 118:22-23 Isaiah 8:14-15 Isaiah 28:16	Matthew 21:42-43 Acts 4:11 Romans 9:32-33 Ephesians 2:20 1 Peter 2:6-8
Messiah to be born of a virgin Isaiah	Isaiah 7:14	Matthew 1:18-25 Luke 1:26-35
Galilee to be the first area of Messiah's ministry	Isaiah 9:1-8	Matthew 4:12-16
Messiah will be meek and mild	Isaiah 42:2-3 Isaiah 53:7	Matthew 12:18-20 Matthew 26:62-63
Messiah will minister to the Gentiles	Isaiah 42:1 Isaiah 49:1-8	Matthew 12:21
Messiah will be smitten	Isaiah 50:6	Matthew 26:67 Matthew 27:26, 30
Messiah to suffer, die and rise again	Isaiah 52:13-53:12	The four gospels
The new and everlasting Covenant	Isaiah 55:3-4 Jeremiah 31:31-33	Matthew 26:28 Mark 14:24 Luke 22:20 Hebrews 8:6-13
Messiah as the right arm of God	Isaiah 59:16 Isaiah 53:1	John 12:38
Messiah as intercessor	Isaiah 59:16	Hebrews 9:15
Twofold mission of the Messiah	Isaiah 61:1-11	Luke 4:16-21
Messiah will perform miracles	Isaiah 35:5-6	John 11:47 Matthew 11:3-6
Messiah is called "The Lord"	Jeremiah 23:5-6	Acts 2:36
The time of Messiah's coming prophesied	Daniel 9:24-26	Galatians 4:4 Ephesians 1:10
Bethlehem to be the place of Messiah's birth	Micah 5:2	Matthew 2:1 Luke 2:4-6
Messiah will enter the Temple with authority	Malachi 3:1	Matthew 21:12
Messiah will enter Jerusalem on a donkey	Zechariah 9:9	Matthew 21:1-10
Messiah will be pierced	Zechariah 12:10 Psalm 22:16	John 19:34, 37
Messiah to be forsaken by his disciples	Zechariah 13:7	Matthew 26:31, 56
The coming of the Holy Spirit in the days of the Messiah	Joel 2:28-29	Acts 2:16-18
Opposition of the nations; Messiah's final victory over death	Psalm 2:2 Isaiah 25:8	Revelation 19:19 1 Corinthians 15:54 Revelation 7:17; 21:4
The glorious Messiah; Messiah as King	Isaiah 63:1 Psalm 2:6-9	Revelation 19:11-16 Revelation 19:15-16
Submission of all nations to Messiah's rule	Isaiah 2:4 Micah 4:1-4	Revelation 12:5
The Gentiles shall seek the Messiah of Israel	Isaiah 11:10	Romans 11:25

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Stupid sub human goyim

Jesus Did Not Fulfill the Messianic Prophecies

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? One of the central themes of biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4, 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Specifically, the Bible says he will:

1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
3. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
4. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.

Because no one has ever fulfilled the Bible's description of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jesus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming. Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Bible no concept of a second coming exists.

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2) Jesus Did Not Embody the Personal Qualifications of Messiah

A. Messiah as Prophet

The Messiah will become the greatest prophet in history, second only to Moses. (Targum - Isaiah 11:2; Maimonides - Yad Teshuva 9:2)

Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry, a situation which has not existed since 300 BCE. During the time of Ezra, when the majority of Jews remained in Babylon, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets ― Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended, and thus could not be a prophet.

B. Descendent of David

Many prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10, Isaiah 11:1, Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father ― and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David. (1)

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (2) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

C. Torah Observance

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

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3) Mistranslated Verses "Referring" to Jesus

Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text ― which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. Virgin Birth

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. Suffering Servant

Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit. Throughout Jewish scripture, Israel is repeatedly called, in the singular, the "Servant of God" (see Isaiah 43:8). In fact, Isaiah states no less than 11 times in the chapters prior to 53 that the Servant of God is Israel.

When read correctly, Isaiah 53 clearly [and ironically] refers to the Jewish people being "bruised, crushed and as sheep brought to slaughter" at the hands of the nations of the world. These descriptions are used throughout Jewish scripture to graphically describe the suffering of the Jewish people (see Psalm 44).

Isaiah 53 concludes that when the Jewish people are redeemed, the nations will recognize and accept responsibility for the inordinate suffering and death of the Jews.

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4) Jewish Belief is Based Solely on National Revelation

Throughout history, thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that he or she is God's true prophet. But personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion because one can never know if it is indeed true. Since others did not hear God speak to this person, they have to take his word for it. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, they do not prove he is a genuine prophet. All the miracles show ― assuming they are genuine ― is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy.

Judaism, unique among all of the world's major religions, does not rely on "claims of miracles" as the basis for its religion. In fact, the Bible says that God sometimes grants the power of "miracles" to charlatans, in order to test Jewish loyalty to the Torah (Deut. 13:4).

Of the thousands of religions in human history, only Judaism bases its belief on national revelation ― i.e. God speaking to the entire nation. If God is going to start a religion, it makes sense He'll tell everyone, not just one person.

Maimonides states (Foundations of Torah, ch. 8):

The Jews did not believe in Moses, our teacher, because of the miracles he performed. Whenever anyone's belief is based on seeing miracles, he has lingering doubts, because it is possible the miracles were performed through magic or sorcery. All of the miracles performed by Moses in the desert were because they were necessary, and not as proof of his prophecy.
What then was the basis of [Jewish] belief? The Revelation at Mount Sinai, which we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears, not dependent on the testimony of others... as it says, "Face to face, God spoke with you..." The Torah also states: "God did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us ― who are all here alive today." (Deut. 5:3)

Judaism is not miracles. It is the personal eyewitness experience of every man, woman and child, standing at Mount Sinai 3,300 years ago.

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